Is it weird that the part of this that bothers me is that you have to declare an onside kick? I know that it is often obvious, but I love the occasional surprise onside kick

@randallross420

2 ай бұрын

Greatest single play in Super Bowl History ⚜⚜⚜

@LilOak

2 ай бұрын

Exactly

@Ffancrzy

2 ай бұрын

Yea but you lose less than 20 surprise onside kicks per year in exchange for over 1000 more potential returns. I'm all about it.

@MindFluxx

2 ай бұрын

How would an onside kick even work? Just regular rules as they are now? I like the 4 & 15 idea as an onside kick

@Essman614

2 ай бұрын

​@@Ffancrzy I agree with what you're saying, but it should be noted that this is what the NFL has been pushing us to say. They want the kickoff to become a hated and boring play. Makes it easier to just remove or massively change it with little to no pushback

This rule change will make Pat’s solo surprise onside kick even more iconic, because no one will ever even have the opportunity to try it again

@makomadns4

2 ай бұрын

Same with Dan Connolly’s legendary runback for nearly a TD

@obeessido

2 ай бұрын

How would do an onside kick with this new kickoff change?

@birdmann6923

2 ай бұрын

​@obeessido he explained in the video lol

@honolulublues5548

2 ай бұрын

​​@@obeessidohe did explain it, but here it is. In-side kicks can only happen in the fourth quarter, by the trailing team and they have to tell the refs they are doing it. It can not be a surprise,

@danlorett2184

2 ай бұрын

TBF, there's lot of ways to preserve the spirit of an onside kick. Schiano's proposal for one 4th and 15 down still lets you surprise teams. That play was fantastic, no doubt about it. Until you realize that for every play like that, multiple players literally were injured out of their careers running all of the other BORING kickoffs just to get the 1 in a 100 cool play. It's just not worth the cost. Same reason we didn't let Burfict keep playing when if he played in the 80s, he would have been an NFL idol. We care more about the players now.

I'll also miss the surprise onside kick. One thing I don't understand: why limit onside kicks to 4th quarter and team from behind only? Seems like an unnecessary restriction to strategy

@mtascp05

2 ай бұрын

Idk the stats about how often Sean Payton called a surprise onside kick, but I remember another time when the Saints had a successful onside kick after halftime in the regular season against the Cowboys. Saints were winning and they wanted to keep the pressure on. I loved it.

@maxcandlestick8027

2 ай бұрын

Probably because it could really break the game, if they’re going to make it much easier to convert them, as they probably would. You end up in a situation where a kickoff could give them the ball on their 40, and an onside kick that you don’t recover gives them the ball on their 46, why not try it?

@betabrett0223

2 ай бұрын

near halftime onsides will be missed

@leihamada4672

2 ай бұрын

I mean I can't really see a reason for a team winning to do an onside kick without either looking like the most unsportsmen like team. Or a coach that has no faith in their Defense that has been doing enough to keep the team in the lead. The only people I can think that run on onside before the 4th are usually teams that have a coach playing for his job. Like I think we like the idea of the "surprise Onside kicks" but best case it wins you what? 2 games? Like name me a playoff appearing team that only made it because of one or two onsidekicks and I'll show you how minimal if impacts the history of the Modern NFL.

@TheBeefSlayer

2 ай бұрын

Yeah… it sounds like house rules we make when playing the football video games.😂😂😂 no onside unless you behind at the end.

I absolutely HATED the calling of Fair Catch OUTSIDE of the endzone automatically being a touchback. The ball is IN the field of play! You gotta run that.

@chadportenga7858

2 ай бұрын

I agree. At the most, make it a little 5 yard gain for a fair catch inside the 25. The current (2023) rule sucked the life out of the kickoff.

@lavoncoleman9285

2 ай бұрын

Or it's marked down there ,if you're not going to advance the ball let it bounce

@traviszander

2 ай бұрын

@@lavoncoleman9285 exactly. If the balls in play like that, same as a punt.

@user-bg4nl3yp4g

2 ай бұрын

If it's dangerous don't do it or do it and don't complain about it

@vincents1087

2 ай бұрын

For sure, or let it go and chance getting a bad bounce

NFL say they are all about the health and safety but yet want a 18 week game and just 1 bye lmao.....yep just coat that "safety" more

@NeweraGolf

2 ай бұрын

This comment should have 1 million likes

@WalkerDestroyer

2 ай бұрын

Aren't they doing 2 bye weeks of they go to 18 games? I think that was outlined in the agreement

@VikingsFanSouth

2 ай бұрын

Damn...they stretching one game out over 18 weeks? Monsters!

@brianmartin8256

2 ай бұрын

Poor fellas, they just don't make enough for tha😂

@ReekBrady

2 ай бұрын

These guys get paid MILLIONS to play the same game kids DONT GET PAID FOR .. playing ONCE A WEEK for only 18 weeks is not a big deal .

This sounds like a nightmare to officiate.

@michelangelobuonarroti916

2 ай бұрын

Not really. There are lots of officials on the field. Everyone will have an assignment.

@jjsea206

2 ай бұрын

@@michelangelobuonarroti916 yeah and they've been doing a great job for the past few years, right?

@jjsea206

2 ай бұрын

totally agree, this sounds ridiculous for officials, especially considering the "front line" rules about the kickoff.

@goodmaro

2 ай бұрын

One official looking down one line, another official looking down another, another's eyes on the kicker, but then they all have to see when the deep official's hand comes down, so where they gonna be looking? Ask XFL officials.

@shuddle32

2 ай бұрын

Yeah and could you imagine getting kids to line up and do all this lol

The opening kickoff of the any game, the Super Bowl especially, is the money shot for every game. The flash of hundreds or thousands of cameras as the kicker comes up on the ball is one of the best images and moments and sports and it turns into a real dud of a moment when the ball sails out of the end zone or the receiving team fair catches. Excited to see if this brings more excitement back to special teams.

@mattcary8075

2 ай бұрын

the could add this for regular season and then put the normal kick off for the playoffs

@mojojojo6400

2 ай бұрын

Imagine the best returner in history doesn't get that historic return to open the super bowl for the bears. And like you said...his return is the most iconic money shot in history.

Dude, killin the onside kick is a dealbreaker. The best thing about it was that you didn’t know when they were going to do it and it was just up to how smart of a coach you were to anticipate it or not you know just kinda like how you call every single other play in football

How about fix the awful roughing the passer enforcement first

@texasvet2729

2 ай бұрын

The enforcement isn’t the issue, it’s the rule itself. Officials have to enforce the rules as written, and the roughing the passer penalty as written is extremely strict.

@ArizonaGunsDave

2 ай бұрын

That's not the content of this video.

@brandonman1315

2 ай бұрын

How about watch a different sport crybaby.

@julianzimmerman5266

2 ай бұрын

@@texasvet2729it’s more about the inconsistency of calling it that gets me honestly

@toddgaak422

2 ай бұрын

Amen. That rule is ruining the NFL.

I want a 70 yard field goal kick. That's the kick off.

@theuniversejr

2 ай бұрын

the way the NFL has been moving, i could see that happening in 5-10 years since the NFL wants more high scoring games and more control of the outcome when it comes to Vegas odds

@A_child_of_the_3_and_1-np8tm

2 ай бұрын

Like in Arena Football

@GSB_KD

2 ай бұрын

Ngl I’ve always said if you kickoff and it goes through goalpost it gotta be atleast another point

@gunit8315

2 ай бұрын

Make kickoffs the Canadian football rule

@codystanton5533

2 ай бұрын

​@@GSB_KD I think it was 2k5 where you would kickoff through the goalpost and the announcer would say "Give that man 3 points!"

I miss kick off returns! Move the kicking team to the 5 yard line 😑

At this point just kill the kickoff entirely and give the receiving team the ball, no kick. This is a horrible proposal. R.I.P Football 1872 - 2006

I miss kick return specialists that people feared. Can't wait to see it back in the game

Love how they’ll change rules but nothing bout ref

@Les_Grossman80

2 ай бұрын

Refs don't cause CTE. Just heartache and broken televisions 😂

@NeverStop909

2 ай бұрын

Well the refs and bad calls are how you control the narrative and outcome

@Les_Grossman80

2 ай бұрын

@@NeverStop909 be a ref then. This isn't based at you. But nobody wants to ref. The NFL need to hire and train full time refs. Period. You got Russ Wilson earning 85 million dollars over two years for a team he isn't playing for, but no full time adjudicators. Pathetic.

@jcreature11

2 ай бұрын

@@Les_Grossman80changing kickoffs isn’t gonna help with cte. Lol safety? NFL doesn’t care about safety. We have 1 bye week and still playing on mondays, Thursdays, sat. But yeah they care…

@Les_Grossman80

2 ай бұрын

@@jcreature11 I never said it would. I was just talking to my mate saying you can protect the QB all you want and basically ruin the kick return, but O line is going to O line. Defense is going to defense. Those guys getting their bell rang a bunch of times a game. But in all fairness, they can't sit back and let it happen. It's millions of Benjamin's bro.

I'll go off the board. In Canada we have what you would call a 5 yard halo on punt returns. And if the ball stays in the end zone on punts/kickoffs it's 1 point. So in the NFL I'd maybe suggest a 5 or 10 yard halo (smaller field ) if the ball is kicked inside the 20, reducing major hits. And you would still have the ability for an onside kick up to the 20 yard line. And if it hits the end zone, the return team gets a shot at a 2 point conversion. That way they have to try and keep the ball out of the end zone and in play.

@mae2759

2 ай бұрын

The thing is the concussions mainly happen on the blocking and not on the tackle, so the halo rule wouldn't help.

kudos to Pat for explaining this so well and so in-depth! Well done!

This sounds like the nfl wants more games to end 70-20 and a lot more super high scoring games

@tmoney6371

2 ай бұрын

Right like give it to mahomes at the 35 or 40 just 5-7 times out of his 12 drives and that’s a guarantee 30 points then he’s still going to score 1-3 times of the other 6 drives so I could see atleast 5 offenses averaging 40 with this kickoff

@Nichrysalis

2 ай бұрын

I'm just glad they're finally entertaining other options. The kickoff is both the most boring play and the least safe play in the game and to score a TD on it the best strategy is to sign Cordarelle Patterson.

@uria2001

2 ай бұрын

Casuals want to see TDs. Regular fans will just adapt like always. We will complain, but will still watch.

@natec599

2 ай бұрын

lol broncos.

@Iog0ut

2 ай бұрын

@@tmoney6371yeah because Mahomes had such a great offense last year when Chris jones gave him the ball on the 40 5 times a game already.

The kick off return for a TD record will never be broken.

@nathan1sixteen

2 ай бұрын

You mean length, correct (the current record is 103 yards)? The number of kickoffs returned for TDs, I’d imagine, will increase substantially if this gets implemented.

@sginrummy88

2 ай бұрын

they should get rid of touchback penalty and make them run it out of the endzone.

@Koalaz1

2 ай бұрын

109 yards I'm pretty sure ​@@nathan1sixteen

@bhoutdoors507

2 ай бұрын

@@nathan1sixteenpretty sure Patterson did a 109 yarder

@VainRain69

2 ай бұрын

Nope. Not with this rule. Really not with the current rules either. If they do implement this rule then there will certainly be a lot of kickoffs returned for touchdowns. But obviously they'll be 20-30 yards shorter than the old kick returns for touchdowns were.

9:43 my immediate thought is: most people on the return team have their foot on the line and literally can’t move from that spot until their team touches the ball; if you hit a return team player with the kick, the spot of the ball is legitimate and recoverable by the kicking team

That was nice the replay of you recovering your own onside kick. I never see that happen before. KOOL!

When Pat admits a mistake from minutes ago under his breathe you know he's passionately talking about this stuff.

As an official, this will be a pain to officiate.

@theuniversejr

2 ай бұрын

i think the NFL is aware of this since it puts more blame on the refs when things go wrong and less blame on the NFL as a whole. its all a play to have more control of the outcome imo

@michaelscott33

2 ай бұрын

It won’t be. It seems pretty simple.

@nathan1sixteen

2 ай бұрын

I think that actually a feature, not a bug, in the NFLs eyes. The more convoluted they can make the rules with vague “judgement call” penalties, the easier it is to put their thumb on the scales. The NFL isn’t scripted, but it definitely feels like the NFL has a vested interest in the outcome of a lot of the major games in the way they get officiated and all. And, the vaguer you make the rules, the easier it is for the NFL to just stand behind the officials calls and say “it’s a judgement call”.

@mattelmquist4473

2 ай бұрын

@@nathan1sixteendude what… your team must’ve gotten beat in the playoffs and you’re coping.

@stewpidasso3910

2 ай бұрын

C'mon dude, it's completely obvious they don't even bother to hide it anymore​@@mattelmquist4473

Dude SPECIAL TEAMS are some of the MOST EXCITING PLAYS...

Pat brings so much info to the table. The kicking is the least studied by casual football fans to the point that kickers are not considered football players. The strategy in kicking reminds me of the MLB. It is so important in football. They can make or break a game, season, or SB.

I don’t mind moving the blockers up etc. I’d prefer just moving the kicker back, eliminating fair catches = touchbacks, and make the return guy field the ball. Kicks into the end zone should be live until the return guy fields it and downs it.

They've ruined the onsides kick just like they ruined going for two.... no chance for trick plays and trick plays are fun.

@Fractured_Unity

2 ай бұрын

You see more two attempts these days, and plenty of trick plays get run in those attempts. You’re just sad an archaic trick play is gone. If you care so much about preserving every SINGLE play just because it was always done that way, why aren’t you complaining about no one dropkicking anymore?

@BGerbs66

2 ай бұрын

@@Fractured_Unity He's talking about fake field goals for a 2 point conversion. This new rule is crap

@freddiesimmons1394

2 ай бұрын

​@@BGerbs66yeah because the old way wasnt stupid and silly and dangerous to begin with

@Fractured_Unity

2 ай бұрын

@@BGerbs66 Oh no! One single play the fake pat got sacrificed for way more 2pt conversions. I’ll take that any day. I know what we’re about, do you?

@Elliesbow

2 ай бұрын

oops forgot to check in.. 🙄

I was waiting for the NFK to eliminate the kick off all together. With all of the touchbacks, there really isn't a reason to have a kickoff.

Rules rules rules omg they make the game so damn complicated. Just bring back onside kicks please

AJ was onto something with the kicker being a free runner lol.

I can dig it. Miss me some great kickoff returns. Makes special teams and their choices more relevant as well.

Just move the kicker back and get rid of the fair catch. No need to completely change it.

This reminds me of that scene from "The Dark Knight" with Joker breaking a cue stick in two, one guy with the football surrounded by everybody, yeah, "Try outs" . . . 😂

i actually kind of like this because it also gives the kicker position more responsibility and a need to hone their craft even more because of having to land it in the landing zone.

@TheBigBlueMarble

2 ай бұрын

I would rather see the kickers hone their craft to carry out a strategy rather than just to stay within a complex set of rules that make little or no sense

@Stephen_Viele

2 ай бұрын

It's alright I just dont like the 35 and 40 it should be 25 and 30. The no on-side kicks thing is also super lame. I guess if they're already going to be out to the 40 you'd be better off only onside kicking lol... Chance at the ball for basically a 10 yard penalty... Idk it's a step in the right direction but I feel they need to change a few things.

I have no idea what you guys have been talking about for the past 10 minutes. This is the most convoluted answer to a problem that seems very straightforward.

@nathan1sixteen

2 ай бұрын

The convolusion is intentional by the NFL. The more complicated, the harder it will be for your average fan to follow, the easier it is to put their finger on the scales of the outcome. Also, it’s a good way for the NFL to have the excuse in a few years to go “we tried to make it safer, but you didn’t like it (or we couldn’t), so our only option is to get rid of the kickoff altogether”. And next it will be some other “unsafe play” until they just out flags on them

@freddiesimmons1394

2 ай бұрын

​@@nathan1sixteen hows your tinfoil hat fitting? Sorry you and the poor OP consider any of this convoluted.

@CrochetNewsNetwork

2 ай бұрын

Not bad but how about this for a simple solution?: Go back to the original scheme in the first 75 years of football on kickoff BUT - allowing the receiving team to ADD one additional player for protection / blocking/ --- less concussions ? Maybe. Exciting? Probably. More run backs ? Absolutly. Longer run backs and possible touchdowns? YES

@AndyWitmyer

2 ай бұрын

It's honestly not even that difficult. I found the explanation pretty easy to follow.

@rickhaavisto9023

2 ай бұрын

@@CrochetNewsNetworkSo you want to go back to the old days yet fundamentally change the whole game of football by allowing one team to have more players on the field at once

Kickoff used to be EXCITING

Instead of saying that man is the creature of circumstance, it would be nearer the mark to say that man is the architect of circumstance.

This seems... convoluted.

@michaelcook7778

2 ай бұрын

To be fair, a lot about the game is convoluted, we're just used to it lol.

@freddiesimmons1394

2 ай бұрын

It's not, at all. You kick it into the zone. Nobody moves for a bit

@derekmoll1498

2 ай бұрын

Not convoluted at all. Just pay attention.

@FaceFamous

2 ай бұрын

It's not. He just took a long way of explaining it.. The kicker kicks it gets in the landing zone. The rest of the teams are on the 35, and 40 5 yards apart. can't move until ball is touched. No running head start. That's all it is. Higher return rates instead of just kicking it out. The kicker just have to have skill now

@FaceFamous

2 ай бұрын

​@@derekmoll1498exactly is a real easy concept. Pat just made it sound complex😂

Pat and crew, thanks. You gave the first clear explanation of the new kick off. I have listened to others and only understand it now. Well done, good graphics. Thanks.

What would be really cool is to have an NFL summer event where this concept was put through it's paces. Attendees: Special teams coaches and 2 kickers from each team. Appropriate Zebras. College players to make up the O and D lines and kick returners. Press to make it a television event I would for sure watch!

I love that Pat brought up the Polish Boot! Sebastian Janikowski!!

look how Devin Hester electrified the return leave it.

@nathan1sixteen

2 ай бұрын

The kickoff rules have changed A TON since Hester was returning, though

@VainRain69

2 ай бұрын

All of his touchdowns came before the kickoffs changed. They absolutely gutted the kickoff at the end of his career. That's why he vanished from the NFL basically. Nobody was kicking to him since they could now kick it out of the endzone. Same thing with players like Patrick Peterson and DeSean Jackson. They were destructive in the return game on punts but useless on kickoffs. If Cordell Patterson played during the original kickoff rules he probably would absolutely dominate the return game.

@freddiesimmons1394

2 ай бұрын

Look at how the other 31 teams didnt have him, and how he's retired af anyway

@Dynamice1337

2 ай бұрын

You do understand that kickoff were contributing greatly to CTE and the league HAS to change the rules accordingly right? So many fans have this childish expectation that you can just ignore negative consequences. Are you 6 years old>?

@crushedscouter9522

2 ай бұрын

@@Dynamice1337 lol no they weren't. you're embarrassing yourself, kid. snowflakes don't belong in football.

Seems like it makes the kicker position harder and more important. Love the brand.

One of the better solutions I’ve seen tbh kinda shocked honestly

I once heard an interesting thought on the kickoff that might be worth looking into at this point. Instead of a kickoff, the "kicking team" starts with the ball 4th & 15 from the 40. They can then go for the 4th down, much like an onside kick, or they can punt it away. With the power of today's punters, the outcome would be close to the same as a traditional kickoff, but still provides for the thrill and advantages of the onside kick.

Let’s see it in action before passing judgement

@Stephen_Viele

2 ай бұрын

I like it I just dont like the 35 and 40 that feels like a bit much. Also the no on-side kicks unless you're trailing in the 4th is kind of lame

I'm up for this proposition. Way better than the snooze fest we had this season.

@lukekiefer5964

2 ай бұрын

Snooze fest= phenomenal defensive adjustment to new offensive schemes… ok loser

We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.

You did a great job explaining this! I've only been watching football 3 years and I totally understood your explanation. ❤ you're starting to rub off on me lol

Kickoffs are one of my personal favorite plays, when they're returned. If the goal is to not make kickoffs pointless, and prevent injuries, then this is a good idea. Almost 80% of kickoffs were touchbacks last year. 17% of all concussion injuries were from the kickoff. Yet kickoffs were only 6% of all plays. That's a lot. Yeah, this is going to look different but I guarantee after next season we're going to be happy about this decision. I want kickoff returns actually back.

@WMDistraction

2 ай бұрын

I’m at least willing to see what happens. It’s a step in the right direction if only because we will know what does and doesn’t work

@US2A

2 ай бұрын

I saw concussions not from kickoffs

@Anthony-bx5yk

2 ай бұрын

@@US2A Yes so they're trying to reduce them from the play that it happens the most on.

@US2A

2 ай бұрын

@@Anthony-bx5yk Kareem Jackson steps into chat

@dclomg5

2 ай бұрын

Finally, a good comment.

I like this a lot, makes kickers way more valuable

@mattelmquist4473

2 ай бұрын

As if they aren’t already incredibly valuable. Harrison butker has been the most consistent kicker in the league recently, he kind of carried the chiefs last year.

He who has health has hope, and he who has hope has everything.

To add one more element, there should be a way to make points out of it for the kicking team. If the kicker puts the ball through the uprights, that should be 2 points, and the ball starts at the 20 for the receiving team. If it's missed, ball on the 40or 45 for the receiving team.

This sounds rather interesting… would love to see it put in trial runs prior to being implemented. I enjoyed watching the XFL’s kickoffs.

@tylerschroeder3722

2 ай бұрын

It has been... this is very similar to the XFL, consider that the trial

@angelmiron1991

2 ай бұрын

XFL was the best for kickoff excitement

If the kickoff goes through the uprights give the kicking team a point or 2

@keithouderkirk7493

2 ай бұрын

I've been thinking that for years. With this rule package, they could say you can only go for that in the 4th quarter if trailing. If made, the receiving team gets the ball at the 20. If missed, they get the ball at the 40. If they made it worth 2 points for a make, then make it the 50 for a miss.

@flexxn6770

2 ай бұрын

@@keithouderkirk7493so they are already in field goal range just cause of that lol. It’s becoming pathetic advancing teams to almost the 50 without even doing anything.

@markula_4040

2 ай бұрын

No. Free throws are for the NBA. You can't have this for the NFL because there is nothing the opposing team can do to defend.

@rickdollings7382

2 ай бұрын

No points, but start the offense on the 10 or 15.

@Godric_71

2 ай бұрын

I've always thought that. Reward for an incredible feat.

The only person who never makes mistakes is the person who never does anything.

I already miss the wedge breaker. One of my favorite plays to watch was the guy running down the field and crashing into the wedge.

I think NFL players and fans understand the risks of playing football. Just let football be football

@evanschneider2947

2 ай бұрын

Been saying this for all sports, grown ass adults know what they are getting into as pro athletes, make em sign a concussion waiver and let them play the game

@dontaveonlove626

2 ай бұрын

Agreed

@natebriskey9031

2 ай бұрын

and if they dont want to sign the waiver then bye bye. but real athletes will play. Or let the TEAMS themselves give health care benefits to their players... @@evanschneider2947

@GSB_KD

2 ай бұрын

Preach! You don’t see combat athletes complaining about it. They just get out when they feel they need to

@jokojabo

2 ай бұрын

The kickoff has evolved naturally over time into complete trash. It is wasted time and an excuse for more commercial breaks. The rules need to be adapted to keep that aspect of the game more interesting. This proposed change is a huge positive

Players in the Super Bowl didn't know the overtime rules, we think those same guys will understand all of these intricacies?

@stevenclark5173

2 ай бұрын

Good, then the smart teams with well coached players will have an advantage.

@HunteronaBudget

2 ай бұрын

They had no problem figuring it out in the XFL

@ricksmith2127

2 ай бұрын

Believe or not, there is a whole team called “Special Teams” that all the practice is this

@freddiesimmons1394

2 ай бұрын

"Intricacies", you people are hilarious

@Schweinas84

2 ай бұрын

@@freddiesimmons1394 again...read my first sentence. These rules aren't too "intricate" for me. It's for the players who already don't know the rules and now have to learn playground rules

While we stop to think, we often miss our opportunity.

Agree. Like in basketball, and the possession arrow you get the ball at the 30 after every score. You don’t need more injuries on kick offs.

This entire thing seems set up to benefit the returning team and screw over the kicking team.

@kingkracker1998

2 ай бұрын

yup its bs. no more muffs recovered by D. no more onside kicks recovered by the D lol stupid.

@freddiesimmons1394

2 ай бұрын

Which matters 0% to anyone.

@kneesnap1041

2 ай бұрын

that's part of why I think this new proposal could be really great though. Kickoffs are boring in their current state, they're completely unimportant to the game. This reduces injuries and has the potential ability to make games more exciting? Sign me up

@kingkracker1998

2 ай бұрын

@@kneesnap1041 by taking away every exciting play possible? no more muff kicks, no more kicks returnedd for TD, no more suprise onside kicks. thats exciting?

@kneesnap1041

2 ай бұрын

@@kingkracker1998 kickoff isn't exciting right now. Hasn't been exciting in years. No idea how you think this makes kickoffs less exciting

Here's my proposition. Instead of kickoffs, have a WWE ring in the middle of the field. Two players in their respected positions will rumble it out. Whoever comes out on top, takes the ball.

Let's go! This is dope!!

Some people think it's holding that makes one strong sometimes it's letting go.

This isn’t nearly as complicated as people think. It just sounds complicated. Most of us have no clue what proper formations are but the players do…usually.

@softjones3128

2 ай бұрын

I'm declaring as eligible.

@gratefuldeadmau5610

2 ай бұрын

Or we can just have normal kickoffs and realize football is inherently dangerous

@DoctorBiobrain

2 ай бұрын

@@gratefuldeadmau5610 Everything has the potential for danger. Should we remove seatbelts and airbags from cars because driving is inherently dangerous? And maybe we should let football players use weapons and take cheap shots after the play because the sport is already dangerous. The point is to balance gameplay with safety, not just allow players to be needlessly hurt because they already have the potential to be hurt.

@AndyWitmyer

2 ай бұрын

​​@@gratefuldeadmau5610 It's exceptionally rare that a team even scores on a kickoff. The vast majority of kickoffs end with the ball either getting kicked through the end zone, a touchback, or fair catched. Very rarely does a returner even want to try to run after the catch. The entire kickoff as it's been is just incredibly antiquated and stale. That the risk of serious injury is so high, just so a team can maybe get the ball to what is usually the 40 at best only makes the kickoff that much more stupid. I mean, I get your sentiment - I'm not a fan of how wussified the NFL has generally become as most of their safety rules changes have basically crippled what modern defenses can do - but, in this particular case, I think the proposed changes would actually make the game fundamentally better.

Since the kicking team can't leave the setup area until the ball touches the ground or reaches the 20, will this basically end fair catches?

@brianmiller1077

2 ай бұрын

Which I would say is the desired effect.

@wwesuperstar1100

2 ай бұрын

Yes, fair catches killed kickoffs

Hi, how are you? Pat I love your breakdown of the new kick off. Can we also change the muffed punt rule. I think if you drop the punt it's a live ball come on right.

@goodmaro

2 ай бұрын

I hate this breakdown. Way too slow and disorganized. They should pretend they're a committee and the emcee is introducing the proposal as a motion, including the history of previous reforms in the NFL and elsewhere, and the motivations for the proposal. And the proposal itself should include *all* the details but just the facts, as closely as are known at this time. Then and only then proceed to discussion of the motion. If the proposal was explained thoroughly there should be no need for clarifying questions. Don't bother with a vote, though.

I like the idea and proposal. At the end of the day, it's yet another layer of strategy and entertainment. I've also always had a thought that instead of a coin toss pre-game, maybe we'd involve some sort of kick, or something similar, to involve the kicker even more. You know, something of that sort maybe.

The only thing I'd change is allow the Onside Kick to be a surprise, and available in the second half rather than just the 4th quarter. Even if it's "a dying art," the sheer potential for that upset is entertaining enough. Otherwise I think this is a very fair compromise on all fronts.

@corndawg6007

2 ай бұрын

There’s no way to have a surprise onside if the layout of the players is the way it is

@AT-gh9js

2 ай бұрын

They would have to change they way they line up and announce it as a on side kick. The way he described, there will no longer be able to have a surprise on side kick. If you take away the surprise, it won’t be as exciting, imo.

This needs to happen! More fun to watch.

If you can get short distance and hang time, it will be very similar to a rugby kick-off. Is there such a thing as aerial contests for the ball on a regular kickoff?

@goodmaro

2 ай бұрын

Only in Canadian rules. American rules introduced "opportunity to make a fair catch" about a century ago.

Score. Offense gets the ball back on the 40 but it's 4th & 15. You can go for it, or punt. Simpler. More fun. Better option for an onside kick type situation by going for it on 4th & 15. Less risk for injury than a typical kickoff. I don't know why this is so hard.

@jeremyg9305

2 ай бұрын

Probably would never kick it vs a team with an explosive return game but a meddling defense..

The only thing that can “save” football is being able to challenge every play/ penalty

I’m a fan of KOs changing to a punt. Same rules as a punt except if the team runs a play and gets 15 yards they keep the ball. Basically 4th and 15. Fair catch goes to the 20.

My concept, place the kickoff 5 yards back to the 25. If the kicker sends the kickoff through the goal posts, the drive starts at the 15. If the ball just goes out of the back of the endzone, the drive starts at the 30. If a fair catch is called and caught within the 10, the drive starts at the 20. If the ball is caught as a fair catch between the 10 and 20, the drive starts at the 25. If kickoff goes out of bounds, the ball starts on the 35. If a return gets run out of bounds, mark off -5 yards to encourage in bound plays. A play finishing in bounds adds 5 yards.

Too convoluted. Just back the kicker up and turn it into flag football for a play. True hybrid play.

2040: NFL is flag football

@in5d

2 ай бұрын

I've been saying that, except it'll happen in 10 years. that's why they're inoculating us with flag football in the Pro Bowl.

@rockzhard2009

2 ай бұрын

no way it takes that long. 4 maybe 5 years from now tops.

@Keyser___Soze

2 ай бұрын

@@in5d”inoculating” nice word, good way of putting it

@tmoney6371

2 ай бұрын

@@Keyser___SozeI think he means indoctrinating us

@Buddystemz

2 ай бұрын

⁠@@tmoney6371inoculating is when you introduce something, more specifically to the body but they’re puttin it into peoples heads so it kinda works.

I’m having some trouble with this what’s happening, in rugby league kickoff our injury rate is very low. So what’s going on?

I like the new rules, but I would give a team the option. Of using the new kickoff or the old kickoff but you kick it from your own 5. So if you want to get a running start, overload the formation, all that you can.... But you're either going for an onside or trying some trickiness of some kind.

NFL football is a joke now and keeps getting worse 😆

I HATE it. Bring back the wedge and wedge busters! It is fairly simple - if you are worried about long term side effects, do not play football.

@711smb

2 ай бұрын

Yeah and if you are worried about car crashes just don’t drive anywhere ever, lmao delusional

@wilc.2095

2 ай бұрын

Exactly! It’s like smoking cigarettes. Back in the days up until the 1960’s nobody really knew how bad it was. But now anyone who smokes knows the risks. The old players up until the early 2000’s probably didn’t know full risks of brain damage, except maybe common sense should have told them. But nobody playing now can say they don’t know the risks.

@vapesnob7603

2 ай бұрын

@@711smbthis is a terrible analogy. I’m not being paid millions to drive my car. I also have insurance in case something bad happens. I’m not expecting the city or state to pay for my injuries if I choose to drive my car and get hurt.

@skeptic_al

2 ай бұрын

@@vapesnob7603you missed the point of the analogy. It was: “What a stupid point of view you expressed.”

@derekjet7715

2 ай бұрын

​@@711smbThat is a childish comparison, but I would agree. Why would anyone fear a car crash? You must be a mess in a vehicle. You should advise anyone who gets in your car that you are terrified to drive. People don't need to play football to go about their day, so it is an unequal comparison. Even with the pathetic rules, people still get injured, where does it end? You don't have to be a roofer, you don't have to be an iron worker, and you don't have to play football. The observation of simple minds is so entertaining!

If you want less concussions eliminate pads and make this more like rugby

I'm not sure that my comments might be being deleted, but you did a great job explaining this! I've only been watching football 3 years and I totally understood your explanation. Thank you so much!

@goodmaro

2 ай бұрын

Took much too long to explain it, instead of just laying it all out at once without back-and-forth. First the motivations, then the *entire* proposal, then opinions. Like real committee work.

The gap between the kicking teams and the first touch location is huge. A fast returner is going to cover a lot of ground, right?

@DiegkBiel-lc3gt

Ай бұрын

Nixon for the Packers will ride fourth

They could just make it so it you call a fair catch you have to start the drive from there or if you fumble or trip and fall your down there but I would move the receiving teams devfenders back 5-10 yards as well

6 games, bye...6 games, bye....last 6 games. They should try to figure out some layout for the season with multiple bye weeks for all teams.

I love it. Places more importance on special teams and kickers, and also enhances the game by adding skill based and strategy based plays and parts to the game, adding more tactics as well

20 week season with 3 bye weeks with at least 2 games between each one

Dude this creates so many jobs in the nfl. You’re going to need legit guys who can run beat and block and tackle. You’re going to need a field goal kicker a punter and a guy who can land one of these bad boys on a consistent basis.

@xp8969

2 ай бұрын

With only 53 roster spots each job created eliminates another job, its a zero sum game

I’m for recoveries I’d love to see examples of this before the season starts.

I had all but given up on the kickoffs. This will be an improvement. Looking forward to it.

They say that time changes things, but you actually have to change them yourself.

@captaincarl8230

2 ай бұрын

Times have changed. The kickers are stronger. They could have also done one of two things, either move the kickoff spot to back to the 30, like they used to have, or make every kickoff be like the kickoff after a safety, with the punter kicking from the 20 instead of the kickoff specialist.

besides the no more surprise onside kick, this actually sounds like a great concept (might need some tweaks, but seems like a great way to add strategy)

One thing I am not clear on: if you do the squib kick and it lands in the landing zone and the two returners don't get to the ball in time and it goes into the endzone...is it an automatic touchback, or can they still run it out? I guess it doesn't matter YET because it's not the rule YET, but...enquiring minds want to know.

I’ll,just comeback from the fridge after the kickoff and the 5 minutes of commercials that will follow said kick off yawn

I know its a crazy thought but if they dont want injuries put the the ball of the 50 and let them try to make it through the uprights. If they make it they get 1 pt either way the other team gets it as a touchback. I dont know if this would add or take away from the game but I like the idea.

They're talking about end of game whether or not you go for the 0-20 landing rolls into the end zone or take the set 35. I think the caliber of kicker is just going to get better. Kickers that can't reliably land it in the 0-15 or even 0-10 area are going to have a lot less value than those that can. Its like how the QB has adapted overtime.

Not a huge football fan but typically watch the big games. This past superbowl the kickers had such a big boot that they were kicking it past the endzone almost everytime for a touchback. This new kickoff actually sounds really interesting and adds some more technicality to the play.

Here's a crazy but simple idea that I think would work, add to player safety, and add a completely new element to the game. Allow one forward pass for the receiving team on every kickoff or punt return up to 10 yards from the point of the reception. The kicking team would have to focus more on the actions of the other 10 players, not just getting past them to destroy 1 player at full speed.

Probowl should change to a bracket system where each division gets to have their own probowl team to square off in different challenges. And move it to the middle of the season where teams basically get a second bye week and extend the season to 18 weeks.