Thank you for your perspective, I really enjoy these videos. I'm a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I think there might have been a slight bit of confusion in the video. I just wanted to clear this up: we do believe that it is through grace of the Savior that we are saved. Or another way of saying this, without Christ and his atonement, we cannot save ourselves, no matter what our works are. But it is through grace and our good works that we can find joy in this life and the life to come. To quote one of our church leaders: "We are not earning heaven. We are learning heaven." -Brad Wilcox. Hope this helps.

@MegaJohn144

2 жыл бұрын

Brad Wilcox gives some great talks about grace on KZread. He is one of the few Mormons who understands it.

@Thebigclockstore

2 жыл бұрын

@@cc-mk2hp @cc we believe that through THE ATONEMENT OF CHRIST is the first part of the 3rd article of faith. Without that, nothing we do would matter. You can't just say the second half and leave out the first part and say we think we can EARN our way into heaven way into heaven without Christ because that is absolutely untrue.

@rachelczumaya2806

2 жыл бұрын

@@MegaJohn144 I wouldn’t say he’s one of the few who understands it. The thing is, we are a learning church and growing church and a church that is receiving more revelation and understanding as time goes on. We have the old understanding of many protestant traditions that have shifted and evolved in the world since then. A lot of the Protestant roots of our upbringing here have evolved also as the Lord has been revealing more about His grace.

@rachelczumaya2806

2 жыл бұрын

We don’t believe in earning our way to heaven. That’s a misunderstanding of doctrine that some members have due to the melting pot of our backgrounds that collided together back in the 1800’s without having contact with others much seeing as how we were shut up in the mountains here. One scripture used by people incorrectly is found in second Nephi. It states “we are saved after all we can do”. But a person needs to ask what is “all we can do“? We can get baptized, we can repent, we can have faith, we can keep the commandments (though imperfectly)… BUT We can’t save ourselves, and that is why Christ came to the earth to suffer for our sins and plead on our behalf and make atonement for us, just as Aaron and Moses did on behalf of Israel. But there are always consequences for sin just as there was in the old testament for those in Israel who betrayed their covenants.

@cc-mk2hp

2 жыл бұрын

@@rachelczumaya2806 If you add Anything to grace, it is no longer grace. Grace plus is not grace.

I am enjoying your vids! I am Roman Catholic (RC) and I am hearing your critique of LDS through RC ears. It is really interesting! I know a lot about Protestantism and quite a bit about LDS but I am gleaning pearls. As others have observed, I too appreciate your respectful analysis. Such respect is sorely lacking in our culture today.

@sgee-vc1hz

Жыл бұрын

So the mormon god still lives with his polygamist heavenly wives out there in the Kolob System, right??? They are busy making spirit children which are assigned bodies here on earth -- we each get one. @HelloSaints Jeff, you are learning a very whitewashed version of mormon doctrine so it can still sound somewhat compatible with Biblical Christianity.

@dnzswithwombats

Жыл бұрын

Your comment made me think of John the Baptist saying things such as about the 🪓 being already at the root of the tree, in essence, ready to cut it down to be burned. Or, as the religious authorities and their minions were approaching him, calling out to them that they are a brood of vipers. I think the Holy Ghost hates the things that are not in keeping with God's holiness, don't you? There may be times for gentleness and those times may be when talking with people who are humble. But by John the Baptist's (and many others') examples, there may be times for being more direct. And both situations would be for God's glory as well as for the best interests of all.

@dnzswithwombats

Жыл бұрын

When time is short, that may be a time for being, yes, respectful while at the same time not playing games and trying flattery to eventually get to the message of the gospel. Is time short now? It could be.

I am a life long member of the LDS church who served a mission in the bible belt. A couple things.... First, I appreciate your concern that this video is not all about agreement with what we believe but I don't think you need to worry. We are very aware there are those differences and don't (or at least shouldn't) take offense to them. Second, I think as you learn more about what we believe happens to us in the afterlife, you will find there is actually more in common than you realize after watching a 5 minute video. You went to college (I think) and took many courses about theology. Try compressing all you were taught about the afterlife into 5 minutes. Yeah, I think you get the point. The reality is we DO believe that it is ONLY through the grace of God that we are saved AFTER all that we can do. This video didn't touch on what happens to the billions of people who died throughout history who never even heard the name of Christ or what about those who don't have the mental capacity to understand enough to accept Christ or what about those who died as infants? Yeah. That video by the church was GREAT for what it was able to pack into 5 minutes but is far from exhaustive. Third, a great resource in the journey of yours might be the church's Handbook Of Instruction (The definitive guide that every LDS congregation adheres to when it comes to HOW we run our church). It is available to read on our church's web site. And fourth, A BIG thumbs up for how respectful you are in how you are handling this. Religion can be a lightning rod when it comes to how people handle differences. You are doing a great job and I am not only very entertained but I am learning from you as well. Good job and God bless you for your efforts.

@Grandnegusdavid

Жыл бұрын

@John Grigg I don't know if I would go as far as calling him Anti. How many times have you had a good discussion about gospel topics with those who don't have the same beliefs? That's what I see here. Yes, he has different beliefs and he is sharing them but he is not blasting us. I have seen him get preachy from time to time. That is to be expected. He's a minister after all. That said, anti to me is more than sharing a differing belief. It is sharing lies about what WE believe. Granted, he doesn't have it all correct but I think he is trying to learn. Good comment though. Thank you.

@briandavis6898

Жыл бұрын

@John Grigg I kind of see this too. He went to an LDS bookstore and wandered around but didn't even open a single book. He even wondered if LDS had the same hymns. Well open the book and find out.i mean you're right next to it. He also does this a lot with doctrine and Bible beliefs where he says the Bible says such and such but not that his interpretation of it says such and such. I also think he's a little nervous about doing deep dives. He said he's reading rough rolling which is a start but I think he really should dig into Talmages Articles of Faith or Jesus the Christ

@RVRTYGRarts

Жыл бұрын

@visitor332211 I agree with you in some aspects. The 3 Kingdoms of Glory are in the Bible, which Pastor Jeff says is his absolute and needs no clarification. The LDS church doesn't "teach" it as a "unique view" at all. (1 Cor 15:39-41; 2 Cor 12:2) I am not sure where his "church video" he uses in this discussion came from, but I couldn't find it provided by the LDS church anywhere after searching. Latter-Day Saints don't believe that there is a way to "work" themselves into God's presence; only the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ (grace to non LDS Christians) allows those who have faith in Jesus Christ, keep his commandments (

@RVRTYGRarts

Жыл бұрын

@@Grandnegusdavid true that he's not "blasting" those who are LDS... Yet, many of his statements about his own beliefs are declarations that what those who are LDS believe are either outright false, misinterpreted, or not what "mainstream Christianity" teaches. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints isn't "mainstream" for a reason. The Pastor could do a similar journey about Catholicism. If he "blasted", he'd be ignored. Instead, he's built quite a follower count by presenting himself as a seeker of truth and open door to those who are LDS. He may not be outright hostile, but I've come to believe that he is, indeed, seeking an audience to convince those who ARE LDS that they're misled, mis-instructed, and would do better to become "mainstream." If not, why not share "this is my belief" instead of reiterating, "this is not what mainstream Christianity believes" ? What does He believe? Only what mainstream Christianity (which has never been united in common belief from denomination to denomination or even among evangelists individually , by the way) believes? I'm interested in how he sets himself apart in his life, how he lives his life as a Christian, and I no longer see this in his videos. It's always how "mainstream Christianity" disagrees with an LDS belief here, or an LDS belief there.

@RVRTYGRarts

Жыл бұрын

@@Grandnegusdavid I've had fantastic discussions on numerous religions, beliefs, theologies with many varied individuals and not once have any of us felt a need to revert to anything beyond "this is my belief" or "this is what the spirit has shown me" --- certainly not to "this is not what mainstream (enter religion) believes"

As a faithful Latter-day saint, I cannot say enough good about what you are doing here. As you point out differences in doctrine, you do it in such a way that it helps me to have a huge respect and admiration for what you believe. I cannot even begin to express how much good I believe this does. Please keep it up! 👍🏻👍🏻

@rmartinie

Жыл бұрын

Amen 🙏🏼

Thank you for your videos! As a member of the LDS church, I have studied grace and works, because I wanted to understand my relationship with the Savior more. Am I saved by grace because of Jesus Christ? Yes! Through no merit of my own am I saved. However, my faith in Christ will always lead me to action. Those actions don’t help me earn heaven, but help me learn heaven-that is, they help me to become more like God and Jesus Christ. It is also through Christ that my efforts to learn and become are made possible. From my understanding, almost all of Christianity believes in some form of this. Christ taught that baptism is essential for salvation; this is an action, motivated through our faith, which we choose to take to follow Him. Do other Christian denominations teach that salvation comes without repentance (another action we must repeatedly take) or baptism?

@HelloSaints

2 жыл бұрын

@David Munk Great question! You’re correct that the vast majority of Christian denominations embrace “unmerited salvation.” I think it’s important to note, however, that salvation isn’t just about heaven, it’s about restored relationship with God so that we can be in the restored presence with God. Where the rest of Christianity differs is in the LDS belief that one can go to a kingdom in the afterlife because they are saved but to a kingdom where God isn’t present. I know there are strong beliefs about the importance of baptism in the rest of Christianity, but it is not as common as many people think that one can have a true heart transformation by Jesus but still go to hell because they haven’t been baptized. I think I would say Christian denominations agree that baptism is important for salvation but not essential to be saved. Lastly, regarding your question about repentance, all Christian denominations believe that repentance is necessary for salvation but not that it is a merit-based work. Repentance is about turning from sin and turning toward Christ. It is not the act of repentance that saves, it is simply receiving Christ who carried out all the saving acts necessary for restored relationship with God in his life, death and resurrection. Here’s a silly illustration that reflects what I’m saying: if I make the decision to work for Elon Musk, I can’t just show up one day at one of his companies and tell everyone I’ve made the decision to work there. He is the one who has built his companies vis his own work and at his own expense and I can only work there if, based on all he has done to create this opportunity, he invites me to work for him. Without all he is done to create the opportunity, my decision earns and accomplishes nothing.

@germanslice

2 жыл бұрын

@@DavidMunk8 I don't think he understands the great blessings the saints will receive. For when the saints go from glory to glory with God lifting them up on eagle's wings, God will exalt the saints by his own power and they will at last take their place up in Heaven with God and the Lamb and as John The Revelator saw in vision once the saints got to the top and entered into the presence of God in the Celestial Kingdom they cast down their crowns at his feet being overcome with Gratitude and Praise. To get to God where he is, because God is on such a high level. Jacob had to climb up the ladder to enter into God's presence for God was right at the very top of the ladder. Jacob had to do all the climbing with the help of God's grace and power assisting him to climb as he kept God's Commandments he would ascend rung by rung up the ladder step by step by faith until at last he got to the top... Going from glory to glory and from grace to grace until he passed by all the angels who were descending and ascending up and down it. He levelled up. The Lord explained it himself' As the heavens are more higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. Saith the Lord (Isaiah).

@janettesmith3025

2 жыл бұрын

@@HelloSaints "His Grace is Sufficient" by Brad Wilcox is a great talk I recommend you listen to. It explains very well what we believe about Grace and works

@jetcitysinatra7300

2 жыл бұрын

@@HelloSaints Sorry to bust in here but Baptism is important. I am bad with scripture but The word says that In our old self Satan was living in our body just like it was an apartment and when we accept Christ we kick out Satan so Jesus can come in. Satan has left our house dirty and broken and through the baptism we are able to clean our house and fix it so Jesus can come in and take up residence. If we take a long time to be baptized Satan has a better chance of coming back in and creating way more damage than before. I hope I got that right because that is how I understand it. So yes Baptism is very important . . . I have tried to look that set of scripture up but for some odd reason I can't find it. As if it were taken out of the bible all together . . .

@carlosjosejimenezbermudez9255

2 жыл бұрын

@@HelloSaints Let it be noted that while most people believe the kingdoms to be in different places, really there isn't any indication in D&C 76 of kingdoms as locations. Kingdoms are a measure of glory more than location. Do I believe that they might be in different locations, it could be, but the point of the doctrine is the difference in glory. The revelation goes on to say that one is the glory of the celestial, another is the glory of the terrestrial and another of the telestial. This aligns with Paul's idea of the third heaven and his dissertation (though brief) on the glory of the sun, the glory of the moon and the glory of the stars, though that might not be enough for many. John 14:2 also applies here. I don't know greek, but in spanish the verse isn't translated as there being many "rooms", but as there being many "homes", leading to the idea that not all homes are as close to God as others. But even if we go with the idea that the division is just in glory, it's not impossible to interpret that what D&C 76 says when it says that those of the telestial kingdom can't go to where God and Christ are is a matter of them never being able to have the kind of glory that God and Jesus have, not that they can never see them again. Also worthy of note, the telestial kingdom, according to D&C 76 is not your definition of the kind of people that would inherit heaven necessarily, it's people that didn't follow Christ, those who lived riotous lives and partook in all kinds of serious sins. Because they didn't repent, they didn't seek Christ to get forgiveness for their sins, they will have to pay for their sins as explained in D&C 19, until they pay them off. Meaning that this kingdom can house a con man that never changed his ways all the way to Adolf Hittler. D&C 76 is also clear in the fact that there are as many variances in glory in the telestial kingdom as there are stars in the sky. Using the previous example, a con man will have to pay for much less sins than Adolf Hitler will. Now, there is yet another place in the after life which matters into this, but it's not a kingdom of glory, and the requirements to get there are to be kind of people that would crucify Christ after partaking of his goodness and having a sure testimony of Him, definitely not your average joe here.

I think a lot of the misunderstanding that this good pastor has is the definitions of different terms in Protestant Christianity versus The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I think there's a lot more that he would agree with if the definitions were better understood. For one thing the word faith is a verb and denotes action. As in the book of James where he tells us that faith without works is dead. I think one of the great examples of this, and there are many in the Bible, is the Rich Young Ruler who asked what he needed to do to receive eternal life. The Savior told him to obey the Commandments which he said he had been since his birth. So the Saviour told him to sell all that he had. That is an action. Baptism is an action. Faith alone does not save us. It's not Faith or works, it's faith and works, Because Works show faith. The savior tells the Jews that even the Devils believe in God but that does not bring them salvation. I also found the interpretation of Paul's sermon on the degrees of Glory a bit baffling. I hope that all humans receive a human body and not something else at the resurrection. And when the phrase perfected body is used that does not refer to exaltation or living with God. It simply means, as Christ said , that not a single hair of your head will be lost. Your body will be in a perfect condition.

@windywithachanceofsunshine5219

2 жыл бұрын

Why would it be important for us to have perfected human bodies in eternal life? We will have perfected bodies but that does not necessarily mean that they will be flesh and bones. We may be perfected spirits. The soul is all that matters. The devil knows that God exists, but he rejected God so he will never have salvation. Revelation tells us that after the final judgement, Satan and his fallen angels will be annihilated and exist no more. Peace!

@windywithachanceofsunshine5219

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting concept Russell. I do believe that Fatih without works is dead.And I also agree that we do works because of our faith, not to earn faith but because of love. But Faith itself is a mindset and it is not work. Jesus did the work for us. Salvation is a gift. And a gift is a noun. I am curious though, why would it be important for us to have a human body in the afterlife? We are told in scripture that we will have bodies like the angels - perfected, but angels have spiritual bodies. Jesus never told us that we would have human bodies in heaven. Our goal is to live with God in heaven, and that is all we need. Our earthly life is over and now we are to live as God does in heaven. And God is a spirit with pure love. Peace be with you!

@windywithachanceofsunshine5219

2 жыл бұрын

@@dr.george459 , Our loving God humbled himself and came down from heaven to live among us, He took on the body of a human so that we could experience the living God, for God the Father is spirit, as is told in scripture many, many times. The scriptural passage you are referring to, enables the disciples to visually understand that even though Jesus died, he was resurrected after human death. This is the picture we see to attaining eternal salvation. But that does not mean that we will go to heaven in human form. Our soul is what goes to heaven. We cannot, nor do we ever physically see our souls. And in scripture we are told that in heaven we will have the bodies like the angels. Jesus Himself never needed a body. He lovingly showed us himself in a physical form so that we could better understand the journey of salvation. Peace be with you!

@windywithachanceofsunshine5219

Жыл бұрын

@@dr.george459 I did read Luke 24:36 and Acts. When reading the bible, one has to read everything and not take verses out of context. Jesus showed them that He did, in fact, die and that he is still living, living meaning that all souls can live eternally after the body physically dies. This is not only physically visible but proved to the disciples that we will all die and then be resurrected into eternal life. God is not human. He came down and took on the body of a human to help us see the journey.God's ways are not our ways. He lovingly and physically showed us how this happens but that also does not mean that we will have physical bodies in heaven. We are told that we will have bodies like the angels in heaven. We will not need bodies because heaven is nothing like earth. Jesus also appeared to the disciples because he wanted to show them that even thought He died, he was still, and always will be, with them. And that is also why He sent down His Holy Spirit at Pentecost to be with them until they went to heaven. God's three personages prove to us that God is always with us. First, God, our Father is unseen. Then God takes on human form to live among us and give us the plan of salvation, Then when Jesus' human form dies, he leaves us with His spirit so that we never feel alone. This IS the Trinitarian God - all one great God bestowed upon us as different forms for when we need him. Peace!

@windywithachanceofsunshine5219

Жыл бұрын

@@dr.george459 Perhaps you should read the original church Fathers, like Polycarp who studied under Peter, Iraneus and many church fathers who wrote about the church when it was first formed by Jesus. All original scripture was explained, with no room for error. I have studied the Mormon church for over 25 years and I have yet to meet a Mormon who really knows the bible. Sorry but our priests study for ten years before they are ordained and they must learn Hebrew, Latin and Greek.Once you learn these languages and study the signs of those times, your eyes are opened to true scripture. When reading the bible in the original Greek, it is easy to understand its meaning. Mormon missionaries are sent out green and I've met many. They are truly unable to defend their faith because you cannot defend a faith that has no foundation. Too many key parts of the LDS church have been proven wrong. A prophet is only true if ALL his prophecies are true. JS has had too many false prophecies, therefore, a false prophet. My grandson who is twelve, is also a Mormon "priest". I have firsthand knowledge of the Mormon rituals and none of the boys have much training in the bible. Even Mormon "seminary" glosses over the bible. I know for a fact after reading Mormon books, like the BoM, D&C, and Pearls of Great Price that they not only contradict the bible but in some cases, contradict each other. In fact, some of your original leaders, opposed each other! Read your church history.If you are a historian, as I am, you will be disappointed in the LDS church history. Please pray for truth! And peace be with you!

Personally, as far as degrees of glory goes, I think it’s more helpful to think of it as levels of surrender to God, not levels of works completed

@neverstoplearning2

Жыл бұрын

That is a beautiful way of describing it! Thanks!

@Ksee89

Жыл бұрын

Indeed. There are three things we are to do in this life. Obtain a body, gain faith in christ, learn to keep his commandments to show our love. You can literally break those down into the three resurrections. Those who obtained a body but not faith in christ or kept his commandments get the glory of the stars. Those with a body and faith in Christ and repent get the glory of the moon, and those who obtained a body, repent, and faith in Christ and learned to show love to God by repenting and keeping his commandments get the glory of the sun. To summarize it we are saved by our faith, but we will be judged by our works. Even Protestants and Catholics can't dispute that. It's in the end of revelations.

@ahashdahnagila6884

Жыл бұрын

@HenHouse Coaching "...levels of surrender" ??? Whoa, pony! That sounds like a take-off, on Islam! (i.e., the word "Muslim" literally means "he who submits to God") >>> substitute 'surrender' for 'submit', and the transition is complete.

@tonideveraux8484

Жыл бұрын

Great thought. Never thought of it in these terms, but I love it.

@tonideveraux8484

Жыл бұрын

@@ahashdahnagila6884 when he says surrender he means letting go of the worldly ways and chosing God's ways.

Actually, the animated video failed to mention that those who merit the terrestrial kingdom enjoy the presence of the Son, but not the fullness of the Father.

@maxstooksberry9458

Жыл бұрын

Right! And the Bible says the son is seated with God, and that Christians will be in the presence of God the father, not just Jesus.

@latter-daysaintchristian4134

Жыл бұрын

@@maxstooksberry9458 correct! The Father and Son are two separate individuals who are one in purpose. Christians who are baptized as Jesus commanded, by the proper authority, and remain faithful to the end, will be with the Father AND the Son.

@maxstooksberry9458

Жыл бұрын

@@latter-daysaintchristian4134 those that put their faith in Christ alone (God in the flesh, not Lucifer’s brother), apart from any works are justified in that moment, and are sealed with the Holy Spirit as well, regardless if they’re baptized or do good works. Those are just the fruit of genuine faith; but not required to be with God.

@latter-daysaintchristian4134

Жыл бұрын

@@maxstooksberry9458 faith is a verb. You exercise your faith when you obey Christ’s commandments. “Faith without works is dead.”

@maxstooksberry9458

Жыл бұрын

@@latter-daysaintchristian4134 Faith is trust/belief. Hebrews 11:6. Like you trust a parachute. You trust that Christ has taken your hell punishment, and by putting faith in him, God makes you a new creation (born again). God gives believers desires to do good works, but those works don’t do anything to merit eternal life, they are just the byproduct of genuine faith James explains.

To add some clarity about the LDS perspective on faith and works, James 2 is a chapter that describes how one’s faith and works are needed to show our devotion to God. Abraham and Isaac is cited in that chapter as an example of how faith and works are required to show our devotion to God above all else.

@AngelPuff1012

Жыл бұрын

This is a good simple comment. When I hear this argument between evangelicals and LDS, it always comes down to a difference of interpretation. LDS just have a greater understanding through revelation and the Book of Mormon. Evangelicals seem to gloss over the meaning in the small but super awesome book of James. They interpret it to support their theology that works don't matter when it comes to salvation. But you flip it around, and things become different.

I am LDS and I only say that because I want people to know how much I appreciate you for the level of respect you show even when you disagree. I even let my kids watch your videos. I love that you show the differences as well and share scripture supporting those differences. I also really really appreciate that you do not attempt to distort our teachings and twist our words or take anything out of context to make it appear to be something it isn't. You teach our beliefs and the beliefs of Christianity so well that I encourage my kids to watch your videos with me. My wife and I feel it is very important for our children to understand what they believe and make their spiritual decisions informed and uncoerced or pressured by anyone. On the Sundays when we wake up late for church we will randomly pick a different church to worship with and have learned so much from this. We have made so many wonderful friends along the way as well. Our kids even participate in the awana program, My wife and I also volunteered with them for a few years. I am not so good at teaching so I helped in the nursery where I was known as the baby whisperer lol, my wife taught the sparks I think it was. She taught the high-school aged kids. I forget where I was going with that tangent. I think I was just saying I think it's important for children to not only know what they believe but to have an unbiased understanding of what other religions have to offer and then allow them to choose for themselves.

@Paulapint3

Жыл бұрын

I wish you would openly and honestly study its founder Joseph. Being a member for over 40 years I have come to know the lies and deceptions connected with this church. Please study and get the real truth out. I wish with all my heart that people will listen. They are worshipping lies and falsehoods.

I appreciate other LDS members sharing their thoughts and feelings. I am also a member. I appreciate how you're bridging the divide amongst our faiths while allowing a safe place for open discussion. Personally, I believe that we can understand God better if combine our thoughts together rather than alienating each other. After all, we are all trying to help each other "home". Keep up the good work! I have a lot of respect for your videos. Thank you!

@patricklyons8023

Жыл бұрын

There is no bridge. You are in a cult. Repent.

@terryv3780

Жыл бұрын

@@patricklyons8023 I will repent when you repent. Since you're such a shining example in everyone's eyes, I will follow the example that Christ had stated in John 8:7 "...He who is without sin cast the first stone." Tell you what, I will repent when you starting throwing stones at EVERY person who disagrees with you. In fact, I can give you my address since I am so evil in your eyes. Come to me...and start throwing rocks at me. In fact, I dare you to throw a boulder. Can you say that you're without sin? I will wait.

Jeff, Thanks again for sharing your perspectives. You’re doing some great work here! I’m a Latter-day Saint and am loving the insights you have of the teachings of the Bible. Very refreshing and insightful and so helpful. Thanks so much. As a practicing LDS member I wanted to put in some thoughts of mine. We do believe that works are important, but our works, no matter how good, are insufficient to receive exaltation. Only through the grace of Christ are we able to become exalted. When we speak of Eternal life, it is written as the “gift” of Eternal Life, because of Christ’s atonement for those that choose to follow Christ. Without Christ, there is no exaltation, we believe he is the only way, the only path to Eternal Life. However, we also believe that faith, without works is dead, and so repentance is the work we do when we exercise our faith in Christ. In other words, repenting of our sins is the work required so that we may receive the “gift” promised to those who follow Christ. It’s essentially a covenant we make. We cannot save ourselves. So, we covenant to follow Christ and if we remain faithful, Christ honors that covenant we have made with him, to receive all that the Father hath. It’s something we could never do for ourselves. None of us are capable of obtaining that gift on our own, but through the works of repentance we can exercise our faith unto repentance and thereafter, through Christ, and only through Christ receive the Gift of Eternal Life. I just want to say that it’s so helpful to better understand your beliefs and I absolutely love how you are doing it. Thank you for your example,I am sure your congregation is blessed to have you.

@rmartinie

Жыл бұрын

Well said 😊

@eseraletoa

Жыл бұрын

I love this

C s Lewis said in regards to grace & works is like trying to determine which blade of a pair of scissors is more necessary.

@mrskjavier

2 жыл бұрын

I do believe grace to be the more important "blade," as much as I love cs Lewis and I believe we need to try to live like Jesus. I seem to recall learning that some early LDS church members were upset when the prophet Joseph taught how inclusive heaven would be. They wanted to hear that they would get special privileges for living a more righteous life. That would be the trap of focusing on works instead of grace. I think it's safer for our human pride to focus on grace and do good works (and make covenants) simply to show our love to God.

Perfectly done! I’m a Latter Day Saint and I love these videos. The world needs more of this. We should try to understand each other’s points of view, not just try to convince each other who’s wrong. Thank you, thank you, thank you. God bless.

@maryjaneandersen7239

2 жыл бұрын

Yes!

@icecreamladydriver1606

2 жыл бұрын

@@markkrispin6944 We already do.

@gordonzio

2 жыл бұрын

kinda defeats the purpose of being the one and only true church don't you think. all others are necessarily wrong. yall are just being diplomatic.

With the utmost of respect I am grateful for your enthusiasm and I too am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. A convert I might add. I would like to suggest something for consideration that I feel very strongly about. The Atonement is so vital and there are many references concerning the cross. I have felt impressed as part of my conversion process that this Atonement is collectively the events in the Garden of Gethsemane, upon the Cross at Golgotha and the Glorious Resurrection from the tomb of Joseph of Aramathea. I viewed your visit to Nauvoo and with all due respect to your expression of the absence of the cross it should be made known that as members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints we reverence cross insofar as one element of the Atonement and that our focus as members is truly on all three elements of the Atonement collectively. I personally love all three elements of the Atonement but, my heart is partial to our Redeemer Jesus Christ taking upon himself the sins of the world in the Garden of Gethsemane. Matthew 26: 36 ¶ Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called Gethsemane, and saith unto the disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder. 39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. I weep uncontrollably when I ponder His death and glorious Ressurection. However, His example in the Garden of Gethsemane touches my heart because it is that commitment that testifies to me the love and devotion Jesus has for His Heavenly Father.

@windywithachanceofsunshine5219

Жыл бұрын

Daniel, I am always baffled why Mormons focus on the garden. If Jesus did not die on the cross, there would be no resurrection - eternal life.

@lisafuller2027

Жыл бұрын

We are asked to please use Jesus Christ's name when referring to his atoning sacrifice. Tge word atonement is not a separate entity or thing. We need to be careful because Christians really get confused with this lds jargon. These words 'Christ's atonement' should be inseperable.

@dimpens

Жыл бұрын

@@lisafuller2027 Thank you, you are absolutely correct

@dimpens

Жыл бұрын

@@windywithachanceofsunshine5219 Thank you for your concern and I was corrected below. The Atonement of Jesus Christ was initiated in the Garden of Gethsemane. I hope that it could be understood that His prayer to Almighty God wherein he vocally committed Himself to the Father's will is equally of importance as His sacrifice upon the cross. The cross was only a part of His ultimate sacrifice and then His Glorious Ressurection is all a part of His Infinite At-one-ment so like Him we too can have the blessing of returning to the presence of our Beloved Eternal Father.

@windywithachanceofsunshine5219

Жыл бұрын

@@dimpens Yes, the Atonement was a three step process. However, the Garden was Jesus' "Yes" just like Mary's "yes" to become the Mother of God. Mary too, could have said yes but unless Jesus was actually born there would have been no Savior. The most important part of the atonement is the cross. Suffering would have no meaning without the actual death, and there would be no resurrection without death. So the cross is the focal point. And that is why we Christians wear the cross. It is a constant reminder of our Lord's final sacrifice for our sins.We not only have the literal atonement but the symbolic. When we are born we are dead to sin and we spiritually come alive through the waters of baptism. Peace be with you!

Love the videos. Keep up the good work! It's very interesting to see your takes of the similarities and differences and what verses from the Bible you bring up as you share what you believe verses what you are understanding from this content.

Really cool project. As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints, and a former full-time missionary who lived in Georgia, I think this is awesome. I love that you’re willing to have an open mind and learn/discuss without contention!

Hi, I like your videos. I'm LDS. If you haven't already, you should do a video on our beliefs about Adam and Eve, the garden of Eden, and the Fall. In my experience talking to other Christians we have very different understandings of this story and the doctrines related to it. Thanks again and keep them coming!

@ahashdahnagila6884

Жыл бұрын

@Lee Robertson The Mormon (and 'no', I have no problem using a term that Hinckley loved but Nelson hates) Quote that I have heard, which I like, is this: "Adam fell, that man may be "Men are, that they might have joy." Sectarian Christianity (to a greater or lesser extent, depending on the 'sect') teaches that 1) Man is "born in sin"; or, 2) Man is inherently a sinner, by birth (i.e., "born a sinner") I see the correlation of this Sectarian belief to the teaching(s) of one John Calvin (which is an absurd idea, and which I reject). Man is born into a 'Fallen world', because "death entered into the world" through our First Parents. Hinckley believed in "part of" that Lorenzo Snow couplet (viz., the second half, as follows): "...as God is, Man May become!" Man has infinitely more potential than Sectarians can even imagine, because of the crippling effects of those (Calvin's) ideas and teachings. And, that Protestant "doxology" crap is a whole, other spicy enchilada that is difficult to swallow (i.e.,...won't go down). >>> Maybe Pastor would like to talk about 'that' one. Or, not.

@janet-Spirit_of_the_Living_God

Жыл бұрын

@@ahashdahnagila6884 As a Christian, the only "Doxology" I know is sung "Praise God from whom all blessings flow, Praise Him all here below, Praise Him above the Heavenly Host, praise Father, Son, and Holy Ghost". What Doxology are you referring to?

Have you ever read the Book of Mormon? Because if you are trying to learn about it, that's a major source of information.

We are all the children of God/Heavenly Father because He created our spirits, but we are also our Lord Jesus children when we go through baptism.

I was born into a non religious family that never went to Church or prayed. We just lived by conscience, worked, and involved ourselves in outdoor pursuits. You could say that life was our religion. So when I joined the Church at age 25, I knew nothing about Christianity or scriptures, and had never even heard of the Mormons. I didn't join for the scriptures, Joseph Smith, ordinances, or any key points of their religion. I joined because God sent his spirit to me to give me a revelation to stir me up into a remembrance of him, that he lives, and that the Missionaries are his laborers. I remembered his spirit, charity, and peace, when he knew me. That's my confidence in the truth. By this I know that everything else about the Church and the Bible are true. All of it, without the spirit, is meaningless and dead. Or at best an act or stage play where people take up parts and pretend. My testimony is real, not rehearsed or parroted. Likewise is God the Father and author of my testimony. What is odd is that non Mormons and Atheists know more about the Church than I do. Except for the truth. As if for God to bleed under the whip, or to die on the cross, means he was just a man.

@jeffwilson4693

2 жыл бұрын

​@@wes2176 Thanks. It is due to God and his laborers, the Missionaries, who rather than indoctrinate me, bade me to take the matter to God in my closet. Whereupon he answered the following midday, proving Jesus Christs sermon, that if you pray in secret, the Father will reward you openly. Gods divinity in my revelation is made all the more striking and succinct by the darkness of my soul. And I think to reason as did our first Mother Eve who exclaimed that were it not for my iniquity, I could not know the joy of my redemption. I feel a kinship in truth to our first Parents and all the Prophets and scriptures, wherein the constancy is God himself thru the ages. That he closed his eyes to my offensiveness and blessed me anyway, has won my heart. What kind of a person blesses their enemy, requests merely an apology, restores their sight, clears their soul with charity rather than wrath, gives them a bath, and then blesses them with a gift of his spirit and a robe and then seats them at his table. Who does such a thing? That's rhetorical of course. We know the answer. It is not just talk, or our biddings to be as men, but the heart and soul of God.

@9:24 it is absolutely true that no one is saved by their own works but the grace of Jesus Christ, as it states in our 3rd article of faith. Our own works are futile and missing purity. But Christ came to show us the way to become pure. But it is a choice to become chosen. God is not going to force us to choose what we are not willing to accept.

@maxstooksberry9458

Жыл бұрын

The Bible says we are justified (declared righteous/pure) in Gods eyes when you put your faith in Christ. To add works to grace diminishes grace altogether. Romans 3:28, Romans 11:6

I love these videos so much, it’s fascinating to see the differences in beliefs and I love seeing it done so respectfully and honorably. I personally think the best way to articulate the difference is that salvation is by grace, but exaltation requires effort.

Lds Missionary here! Love the video and your respectful manner! Absolutely keep it up I love how much you care about learning but also teaching others. I love reading the scriptures with the perception that God is our loving Heavenly Father, it really puts our relationship with him into prospective and helps me feel grateful and the desire to worship him and help his children!!

@TrendyStone

Жыл бұрын

@@charlesmendeley9823 Not just allowed...but encouraged. During covid...reaching out through social media was about the only option for a long time.

@julienconnault1612

Жыл бұрын

@@charlesmendeley9823 there are no hidden information, especially to missionaries who love to talk about these subjects.

@patricianewhart5544

Жыл бұрын

Why don't you Mormon missionaries when meeting investigators not tell them the part that God has a physical body

@patricianewhart5544

Жыл бұрын

Why don't you share how this physical God has physical sex with his physical wive(s)? Then for some reason the wife can only birth spiritual not physical babies? Why? Because even people with a rudimentary knowledge ofbthe Bible would know that no way is Mormonism a Christian denomination.

@dalelittle6519

Жыл бұрын

@@patricianewhart5544 Of course, this is a foundational part of what Church missionaries declare as part of Joseph Smith's First Vision. The reality of what occurred with the fledgling prophet during Spring 1820 in Upstate New York is one of foundational events in world history. Indeed, this signature Truth was graciously revealed to the world by our Eternal Father, according to His will, to help dispel the fog and speculation of well-intentioned doctrines accumulated and debated through the centuries. It's this revelation--and all that appertains to it--that He has authorized His Latter-day Saint Christians to declare to all the world, just as He commanded His former-day Saints: "And now, after the many testimonies which have been given of him, this is the testimony, last of all, which we give of him: That he lives! For we saw him, even on the right hand of God; and we heard the voice bearing record that he is the Only Begotten of the Father-That by him, and through him, and of him, the worlds are and were created, and the inhabitants thereof are begotten sons and daughters unto God." Doctrine and Covenants 76:22-24 (www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/new-era/2011/04/doctrine-and-covenants-76-22-24?lang=eng) As a gentle reminder, the term "Trinity" certainly may be inferred but is nowhere stated within Holy Writ; hence, is an interpreted, extra-Biblical concept. Indeed, understanding of our Heavenly Father is a "difference" between Orthodox and LDS Christians, but, as far as most Latter-day Saints are concerned, should not divide us. The essential truth that Jesus Christ, the author and finisher of our faith in obedience and love, should bind us fellow sojourners in mortality, not divide us. ~Cheers, Patricia!

These videos have been good. It has caused me alot of reflection this week, especially your comment about Heaven not being Heavan if the Father's presence is not there. I absolutly agree! I had to go back to D&C 76 to see if that was true. And it seems to be true for the Terrestrial and Telestial kingdoms. Neither of those kingdoms seem to have the presence of God the Father. After more reflection I remembered Alma the younger's experience recalled in Alma 36:13-16. The only Heaven I would consider being Heaven is the Celestial Kingdom. That is the Kingdom with God's presence. But as Alma pointed out, at that moment in his life the presence of God caused him horror. Believe it or not, I dont think everyone would consider living with God the Father as Heavan. Some may not even want to live in the presence of our Savior. A loving Father in Heavan unferstands this and values our agency. He wants us to be happy. What one person would consider Heaven, another person may not. There needs to be a Heaven for everyone, except the sons of perdition.

you are soooo nice the way you explain your understading of what you are viewing and how you see it not lining up with the other chistian sects believe. As an LDS member it is refreshing to have non LDS person respectfully point out differences. you rock. All I can add is that after reading an praying about the book of mormon I could not deny the answer I received that it is what it says it is and JS is a phophet called in this day... I have loved the way we all work together to raise our kids and lean on each other on times of trials. I hold the priesthood and have seen and performed mircles that have made me a stong christian man. I have visited several other churches and I can say they can and do not provide the ability to consistantly provide for the spirtual and physical need decade after decade to its members. I love being a christian LDS! Can not imagine raising a family without the help of all the other youth leaders on the church. thanks again.

Thank you for taking us with you on this journey.

@HelloSaints

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for going with me! :)

As a former LDS member of 30 years I find your commentary spot on so many issues And now as an evangelical I find it troubling that the evangelicals are not having similar videos about the TV ministers that are obviously evil such as the Kenneth Copeland‘s of the world I hope that you will do a video or two about those type of people in the same loving format that you do for the LDS comparison Thank you

@culleyparris6728

Жыл бұрын

Check out Mike Winger’s great videos. I find him gentle but clear on things like that

I actually just started watching this channel and I have basically watched all your videos. I find it very interesting, and I actually appreciate the way to handle the differences you spot as you learn about our beliefs. I have been a member all my life and I was always surrounded by people from other Christian denominations, including Muslims. so I have a substantial amount of knowledge of the various beliefs other Christian denominations share. I just want to spot out that I like how you share your beliefs using passages from the Bible but I believe that we are all privileged to understand passages of scriptures differently. With that being said, I feel some of your scriptures shared can be argued to not mean what you say they mean or prove that what the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints believes isn’t taught in the Bible. I will suggest you probably do more research about the topics your react too so you can give better analysis on why you feel a certain belief isn’t taught in the Bible. Please keep up the good work. I’d love hear your take of the whole idea of modern revelation, prophets and apostles.

I love these videos you make. They help me more fully think about my beliefs and help me understand better my own beliefs. As many of brethren and sisters have said. We in the LDS church do very much believe in Christ. I am not the best a quoting scripture but as a missionary that same scripture quoted about grace was often thrown back at us. We agree whole heartedly with that scripture. However in James chapter 2 versus 17 and 18 (really the whole chapter) "Even so faith, if it hath not works is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say thou hast faith and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works". We believe that we are saved by grace through faith in Christ, however simply saying I believe in Christ is a dead faith unless you show your faith. We believe that we can never do enough to save ourselves, but our works are to show Christ that we are willing to do the work to be worthy of the gift he has given through his everlasting and loving atonement. We further believe that everyone should be given the chance to accept Christ and that not everyone was given that chance during this lifetime. In the video you were watching it says "Hell can be thought of in 2 ways" However it goes on to only explain one way which the time immediately after death, the period of which lasts from the time of death till the time of until the resurrection. One thing it doesn't explain about this time is the state of the Righteous. They have not been resurrected yet and go to preach to the other spirits in Spirit Prison, to give the chance to accept or reject the gospel. The 2nd way of looking at Hell is the way most of Christianity looks at it which we believe happens after the time of Resurrections. We often refer to this Hell as Outer Darkness. However we believe most people will end up in of the 3 degrees of glory with those (as the video put it) with "ill intent and a hatred for the things of god" will end up in the Telestial Kingdom. The Outer Darkness is reserved for those who followed Satan and utterly turned from god. As far we in the church can tell this is difficult and can only be achieved by gaining a testimony of Christ and then utterly turning away from the testimony. I am only aware of two people in history to have been condemned to this fate though there may be more. 1 being Judas Iscariot for his betrayal of Christ and the second being Cain who introduced murder into the world. Please keep in mind that I do not fully understand this doctrine myself. So I may have made mistakes in explaining this. I was just trying to clarify some of this. If any of my fellow saints notice an error please correct me.

@vhilton40000

Жыл бұрын

Also, in the new testament in the Corinthians it specifically mentions these degrees of heaven. I grew up baptist. Everything I have learned since investigating and joining the Church of Jesus Christ has added to my knowledge and increased my spirituality. The Bible is actually full of information that many churches ignore. Or it has contradictory scriptures. We have to realize it was compiled by men. And it was written for ancient times too. So it might not make sense to us in some ways. Prayer, study, and faith can help make sense of it and fill in gaps. Thank you for your comment. This scriptures in the new testament about faith without works was on my mind too for this video.

As a member of the LDS faith, I strongly agree with you at 12:10 when you talk about how our actions do not save us, but that it is ONLY through Christ that we are saved. I appreciate the reference to Revelations 22:3-4. I think another good reference to this fact happens while Christ is on the cross and he forgives the "Penitent Thief" saying in Luke 23:43 " Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise." What did this man do to "earn" his way into paradise, NOTHING, except accepting Jesus.

Really enjoying your perspective, keep it up. I must admit watching your reaction to this video just emphasises the need for personal contact rather than learning through video. You make some very valid points which missionaries will be so eager to help clarify. It probably wouldn't be appropriate (missionary work is not for entertainement), but it would be interesting to see you meet with the missionaries on camera and then post your reactions. PS my top recommended video while watching this one is of Brad Wilcox: "His Grace Is Suffecient"... clever youtube algorithm, lol

Hello Jeff, thanks for your videos! I just wanted to add that The reason why we believe that our salvation is based on the things we do here is because in order to put your faith in Jesus is not merely by saying: Lord I believe, but also by acting upon it. In James 2:17 says: Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Thus, we demonstrate our faith in Jesus Christ through the things we do.

@maxstooksberry9458

Жыл бұрын

James is saying that genuine faith produces good works, they are the fruit of faith. But all through the Bible, it says faith alone is what justifies/saves/gets you to God. Adding works to faith in Christ (grace) in order to be righteous before God diminishes grace. (Romans 3:28, Romans 11:6)

@cleofletcher2464

Жыл бұрын

But I’m saying so, does that mean that I can say Lord I believe, yet turn around and break the commandments? I believe works, are things like shucking off the natural man. Or praying and following the commandments. Yes grace is wonderful but even this Pastor is talking about those that are evil who are judged.

@maxstooksberry9458

Жыл бұрын

@@cleofletcher2464 works can’t remove the sin/natural man. Only God can declare someone forgiven and make them a new creation (born again). We are justified/made new by faith in Christ alone apart form works. Good works are the fruit/evidence of genuine faith as James says. Someone would be a hypocrite if they say they have faith but there’s no evidence of it in their life. But a believer is justified/born again by faith alone.

@mariebrennan3481

Жыл бұрын

@@maxstooksberry9458 In my understanding it is grace that gives us the power to be obedient to the commandments. By our fallen nature we are enemies to God. When we truly have faith in Christ, His grace transforms us and we want to be obedient to His commandments. We show our faith by our works in the sense that Christ's grace changes us from enemies to friends. We are reconciled and we start to act like friends of God. We are practicing our Christianity, and over time through the power of the gift of the Holy Spirit, we can learn to behave more like Christ, and grow closer to our Heavenly Father. When we are saved, grace transforms us. Our works don't save us but they are an evidence of our salvation. I think it is also possible to fall out of grace, by giving in to our fallen nature, so, ongoing repentance is necessary.

@maxstooksberry9458

Жыл бұрын

@@mariebrennan3481 I agree with you that grace thru faith reconciles us to God. But Romans 8 says that there is nothing in all or creation that can separate us from Christ. Once a believer is reconciled, they are eternally secured and promised eternal life. Receiving The Holy Spirit is the guarantee of that promise. Ephesians 1:14, Roman’s 8

This has strengthened my faith in The Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints.

@Summerwailin

Жыл бұрын

Mormons believe mormonism no matter what because their reality depends on it.

@7:16 this is referring to the character of Christ and heavenly father. Meaning, being able to be good like them and putting off the natural man and not being sinful anymore. It is a process that takes much learning and trial and error and basically no one except Christ achieved it in this life. He too grew grace for grace as it says. But he obtained the pure heart first and then offered atonement on all our behalf. ❤️🙏🏽🥰

There's alot of good comments on here by LDS members, sharing kindness love and respect for this gentleman.

For the devil is the father of contention, all contention, not just to another person or church! Thank you for being open-minded

@eddingtonrental8861

Жыл бұрын

The devil is the father of contention? All contention? When Jesus drove out the money changers and those extorting in the temple was that the work of the devil?

Pastor Jeff, One mistake that people in and out of the Church make about the three kingdoms of glory is that they think of them as a physical place and they forget or don’t think about the metaphor behind them that God intended. Some people live the life of Jesus Christ and serve others and follow his commandments. That would be a celestial body, or another words a body of the sun. A person who lives some of the teachings but still lives quite worldly in their lives and doesn’t give their full heart to the Lord would be considered a terrestrial, or body of the moon. It reflects light, but it does not give light of its own. A person who is so far away and far distant, as a star from earth, would be a telestial person, one who sins willfully and doesn’t necessarily do good, but may flicker occasionally with light and helping others. Please understand that there is a metaphor here. Heaven is a state of being and a state of our souls. What understanding we attain unto through God’s grace we choose to receive.

This video has helped me understand SO MUCH. Thank you for teaching us!

As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, I admit that the use of the word "reward" in this video is confusing. It makes it sound like we believe we are EARNING Heaven, when it would be more accurate to say we are LEARNING Heaven. We do believe that it is ONLY through the Grace of Jesus Christ that we are saved, and not by our works. We believe that ALL who accept Jesus Christ as their Savior will be saved and receive a place in Heaven. The degrees of glory in Heaven (Telestial, Terrestrial, Celestial) reflect the degree of light that we are comfortable receiving at the end of this mortal life., but all are Heaven. Just as leaving a dark house and stepping suddenly into the full light of the sun is uncomfortable until our eyes adjust, we believe that the choices we make in this life are acclimatizing us to the degree of light that we'll be most comfortable with in the next. For further understanding of this perspective, I'd recommend the sermon "His Grace is Sufficient" by BYU Professor of ancient scripture Brad Wilcox. Or, he gave a more recent, condensed version of this sermon in October 2021 titled "Worthiness is Not Flawlessness" at a General Conference of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

Thank you so much for your videos. They are a light to my understanding of how to respectfully navigate the bridge between faiths. My husband is an LDS returned missionary and I am an evangelical Christian. My husband puts an incredible emphasis on having the "Proper Authority" to act in God's name, called the Priesthood. And that alone is what my husband thinks makes his Church the only True Church on the phase of the earth because that Priesthood Authority came directly to Joseph Smith from Heaven so that God's church could be restored. Your videos are so current and informative. God Bless you and keep your ministry growing. Thank you and I will keep watching them if you keep making them. Regards :)

@janet-Spirit_of_the_Living_God

Жыл бұрын

Praying for you Karen. We just moved to Utah and I see how important the Priesthood and the Temple are to my neighbors. They seem to gloss over Peter's words that we are all priests under Jesus' New Covenant, and their understanding builds up pride. I'm wondering how long I'll be accepted as I love the Truth outloud and try to show that living for Jesus with the personal infilling of the Holy Spirit is a wonderful adventure, not a duty to fulfill, hoping I'm "doing all I can do".

Hi Jeff, like most of everyone else I do appreciate your respectful way of discussing what you see in our culture. As usual in the discussion of salvation and the atonement, there is always the strong discussion about being saved by grace and not by works. There is a difference between a person knowingly and maybe even deceivingly trying to work their way to heaven. I don't know how many people who do not believe in God would try to make that effort by being kind to everyone, by going to church regularly, by reading their scriptures regularly, or by paying a generous tithe. But I don't know that you noticed, every time you explained that it's by grace that faithful people are saved and not by works, would God save a person who sits and does absolutely nothing? If he would not help anyone, would not uplift anyone, would not be kind, would not be mean, and would not support himself or his family. You mentioned that with faith a person would have access to the atonement of Christ and salvation of God. With faith, does a person do good things or do nothing? Does grace mean that we have done nothing and made no effort to know Jesus Christ. Can anyone in this life know Jesus Christ without the effort to study and prayer?

@professorshutt4335

Жыл бұрын

@Arpley1234 - I really like your questions. Faith, graces, and works can get confusing. I think your questions add a bit of context to why 'works' are necessary. If nothing else but to obey the two great commandments to love God and our neighbors. To me it is acting in a manner that Christ emulated while He was on earth - helping others, serving others, loving others, doing our best to follow His example even though we fall short due to our own imperfections in this fallen world.

@janet-Spirit_of_the_Living_God

Жыл бұрын

I think it's more of an attitude issue. Do I do works because I don't think Jesus paid it all, and doing good works makes me feel good about myself, it's what the church tells me is required, thinking God will like me better, and I'll have a better chance of winding up in the Celestial Kingdom, and the ward will look up to me, and maybe I can be bishop some day? The Bible says our righteousness is as filthy rags. What we do is because of what the Holy Spirit asks us to do. Jesus only did "what the Father" told Him to do. Being saved by grace is what the Covenant is about, that Jesus paid for everything. I cannot repay Him, nor do I try, but what I do do, in response to the indwelling Holy Spirit's nudges are my part to play as a child of His Kingdom now.

Thank you so much for your videos. I just found them and they are so respectful and open. I just wanted to add something to the faith and works discussion. I believe my works are a result of God's grace working in my life, and lead to greater faith. We are not saved by our works, but our works are how we build our faith. As our faith grows, God's grace has a greater part in our lives. That grace than saves us.

As a member of the church of Latter Day Saints I want to clear up my belief on grace. I believe I’m only saved through Jesus Christ. As I take Christ’s name and truly repent I will be saved from my sins. Jesus Christ then said if ye love me keep my commandments. My works isn’t what saves me. My works shows my love towards Jesus Christ. I follow his teachings & commandments so that I can become like Jesus Christ not because if I do I will earn a spot in heaven. Only through Jesus Christ can I become perfect.

@katem6673

Жыл бұрын

my question to you is what about temple work? that is required works to get to the highest level of the celestial kingdom

Hi, "progressing" doesn't mean earning our exaltation through our works but rather progression means greater understanding of what God wants us to learn here in this life. This really means learning to surrender all to Heavenly Father in order to live by His ways, no matter what happens in this life with trials and tribulations.

I have really enjoyed this series as a fellow Christian Minister. I have always wanted to do this for myself. Thank you for taking us with you on this journey!

Thank you for clarifying the truth from God's word!!!! Many blessing to you from God! In other words God has a big smile because of you!!!

Hello, I just had a conversation with 2 elders of the mormon church today. And we spoke for some time. Me strongly wrapped in the grace of jesus. Just sat and listened. They did speak of alot of things. That I agreed with. And it was a great conversation. And when they left. They left me a mormon bible and brochure. I was curious to see how their bible was written. And their brochure was on this exact topic. The afterlife and what happens when we die. I have never heard of the levels in heaven. Or that once you die. You still have a choice to make in faith. That was very strange to me. And I'm glad I watched this video. Because your comments and understanding as a pastor. Was spot on with my beliefs as a Christian. Appreciate your break down of this topic. God bless all and keep safe.

@kimkrause8335

Жыл бұрын

Latter-day Saints do not have a Mormon bible. We have additional scripture, the Book of Mormon which is another testament of, Jesus Christ. We also believe in the Bible.

There are three levels: telestial, terrestrial, and celestial. There are three degrees of glory within celestial. The other two are rarely mentioned by leaders of the church. The highest celestial level is exaltation which is the end goal for LDS members.

@scottbrandon6244

2 жыл бұрын

@tapir rider I was simply pointing out to the born again preacher there are also three levels in celestial. As for telestial, some versions of the Bible don't mention any of the three in those verses.

Hello pastor, appreciate the content, if I may just shed some light regarding the resurrection, i.e perfect resurrected beings. The perfection in this case refers to the physical body, for example if you had lost part of your body ( an arm or leg or whatever ) - it simply means your body will be in full or complete, which means perfected, a perfect frame. Your body will be restore to its "whole form" ( please see Alma 40:23 in the book of mormon).

Thank you for your wonderful commentary and obvious delight at finding out what we believe. I wanted to bring out that one of the reasons why it may be difficult for you to reconcile our view of heaven is because we have a prophet today who has given additional scripture from the Lord, and we have additional insights that Christian society as a whole does not treat as gospel. Degrees of glory are wonderful because there is so many different places that we can end up if we are doing the very best we can. I hope that makes sense.

I am so impressed with your open-minded and sincere efforts to look at what we believe, we very rarely see this. Most people are quick to strongly oppose without actually making the effect towards an informed opinion. I am really looking forward to watching your views once you have read the book of Mormon. I am teaching the old testament this year, I thought it was going to be really challenging, but with prayer and the insights of scholars, I am absolutely loving it. The old and new testament teachings help me so much in my daily life and affirm everything I believe through the the witness I have received of the truth of the book of Mormon. The persuit of truth is very important to me and is a great motivator in my life.

Love your series of open minded investigation! The 3 degrees of glory are not where we go when we die, they await after the final judgement. When we die, we lds members believe we go to spirit prison (bad souls) or paradise (good souls). We await God's mercy/justice there. All are loved by God but all do not feel comfortable in his presence because of a lack of obedience to his commandments and no desire to change or repent. Our father in heaven will never force us to do his will. All will feel his love and feel justified in their degree of glory assigned to live for eternity. Outer darkness or hell is for those unrepentant murderers and those who deny God like Satan did.

Despite Jeff's attacks I enjoy your videos and the way you share your perspectives even if they are different than ours. It's very refreshing especially from the beginning of the church's formation we have had to deal with Jeff's in all their forms.

@therockstandard3068

2 жыл бұрын

Deal with Jeff’s? The reason is because the Church has to deal with people who have turned around God and instead founded a different church claiming it’s from God. So it’s actually the other way around. The one true apostolic church has to deal with people founding their own churches claiming to be from God.

@kip2703

2 жыл бұрын

@@therockstandard3068 which is it? Catholic, eastern orthadox?

@therockstandard3068

2 жыл бұрын

​@@kip2703 Those churches. The Catholic Apostolic Church. It's any church that is universal (Catholic) and founded by the apostles (Apostolic) church. It could either be Eastern Orthodox, Western Roman Catholic or the Oriental Orthodox Churches.

@kip2703

2 жыл бұрын

@@therockstandard3068 so your saying God is the author of confusion since none agree on doctrine. If that is your logic then you can't deny the validity of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints

@therockstandard3068

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeff1083 oh so you are the Jeff? (lol) I thought Jeff was the "pastor".

Just prior to watching this video, I watched your video on your visit to Nauvoo. In that video, you explain why mainstream Christians do not believe temples are needed. Of course, members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints attend temples to participate in "saving ordinances." If according to what you say Christians believe, people do not need to perform ordinances to be saved, then there is no need for temples. This connects to the conflicting beliefs mentioned in this video about grace and works. If people are saved by grace only, then works don't matter. And if works don't matter, there is no need for saving ordinances. And, if works don't matter, then there is no need for different levels of "heaven" based upon one's works. Consequently, this video explores a major difference between the beliefs of the LDS church and mainstream Christian churches. Thanks again for your excellent explanations of both perspectives.

I really appreciate your breakdown. I also appreciate the level of respect you show when explaining the difference. As a member of the LDS faith I am really enjoying these videos. I 100% agree that we need to be more curious about our neighbor because, especially in todays world, the extremes are way too loud and we should seek to understand each other first. What are your thoughts on the difference between Ephesians 2:8-9 where it is a Gift and James 2:14-26ish where Faith is linked to Works as Hunger is linked to Food?

Love your videos! I highly recommend meeting with missionaries or having members with you during these reactions. There are some nuanced details that these videos are too short to explain and I think it's leading to you getting too simple or a slightly off idea of the doctrine. I think you're doing a wonderful job, really you are an amazing human for doing this. Thank you!

We don’t believe we’re saved by works. We’re saved by grace but works enable us to be like Christ. Watch His Grace Is Sufficient by Brad Wilcox. We also believe ALL people will have the chance to accept or reject the gospel regardless if they know Christ on earth or not.

Pastor Jeff - again I want to express my thanks for your considerate review of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. While you and I have different religious views, I am honored that you take such care in sharing what you believe to be similar and different in our religions. I am learning from you along the way too. Thanks!

Totally love and appreciate your genuine, balanced discovery. I did have to laugh a bit when you drew a distinction about salvation. As you attempted to note that the scriptures clearly differentiate works, you then mentioned faith. While faith it identified as a noun in the English language, in divine language it is a verb. Faith is active with an inward and outward illustration of just what that faith is: it embodies and exemplifies itself through action. The negative reference to works in the scripture was to dissuade the common practice in Christ's times of works for the sake of show...devoid of compassionate faith. In reality, without a deeper discussion on both faith and works, neither are sufficient.

If you haven't actually read the Book of Mormon yet, I recommend doing so as soon as possible. I personally think reading the Book of Mormon is the single most important step to understanding what we believe and why. Keep up the great work! I love your videos and all of the effort you put into them.

@ningenJMK

2 жыл бұрын

Former Mormon here. I’ll admit that there are some good stuff in the Book of Mormon. It contains the key doctrinal conversations had in Protestant Christian America during Joseph Smith’s day. Why? Did the Nephite authors foresee the 19th century? No. It’s because Joseph Smith copied and remixed stories and ideas from his time and place.

@germanslice

2 жыл бұрын

@@ningenJMK You can't get access to the Father's kingdom without having his ordinances.

I'm a Reformed Christian who has been digging into the LDS over the last couple of months. It's fun to have found your channel. It would be great to see a reaction to Wilcox's "His Grace Is Sufficient"; Wilcox also did a joint interview with Stephen Crane that discusses grace and works. It seems that there are multiple LDS thinkers who are emphasizing grace, offering new presentations/interpretations of "obedience/works" in the LDS tradition (as grace-powered character formation so that God can be more-fully known), and these new approaches can create significant new paths for dialogue between evangelicals and LDS.

@born2tilt_4ever

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Absolutely! Brother Wilcox's talk is AMAZING!

@maxstooksberry9458

Жыл бұрын

That would be a great reaction vid!!

I appreciate your clarifying your belief. I have one question. If you believe that you only are judged on your actions in this life, how do you rectify those that never knew Christ? That never learned of Him? Do they get no chance to accept Christ if they just never got to know Him? Getting to choose Him in the afterlife is just one more way I see that God is merciful and gives us every opportunity to chose Him.

Thanks for being so respectful to our faith, it's refreshing! The Savior's grace is so essential. Without it, we cannot heal that "fractured relationship" as you've termed so beautifully. As a member of the church, I believe works are important. I may be easily misunderstanding you, but what about the ten commandments, or the teachings of Christ that promote good works. If good works actually have no weight in my personal salvation while I'm on earth, as long as I have faith in Christ, what merit do those commandments and teachings hold? Could I not break them, even purposefully, while maintaining that my faith alone saves me? It's an honest question I have about your perspective :) I believe since our actions/works can have such an impact on other people and myself, that they enhance and increase my faith and my relationship with God and better qualify and prepare me to live with Him again. Maybe I'm not using the right words, but trying my best!

This was pretty good, but there is so much more nuance that isn't in this LDS video.

One additional thing that is different between the Mormon Heaven and other Christian's view of heaven is the level of grace offered. In the Mormon Heaven, just about everyone is offered admittance to one of the degrees of heaven based on what God did on the cross. Even those people who lived on earth and never had an opportunity to build faith in God to be saved can progress to get to Mormon Heaven based on accepting Jesus. The only ones who eventually end up in hell for eternity are those that were rebellious, sinful and wicked and don't accept the free gift given to them by God. The grace offered by God in the Mormon church goes a lot further than traditional Christianity. One other thing that is a bit speculative but I think is amazing, is their view of what you do in heaven. When going to Christian churches I learned that you go to heaven. You sit on a cloud and enjoy being in God's presence. That's great and all, but let me compare it to my childhood. When I was a kid and went to my grandpa's house and sat around the fireplace being around him was fun. But it was when we did things together, like milking the cows, cutting hay, going fishing, him teaching me new things and experiencing life together that I really got to know and love my grandpa. Same with Mormon Heaven. You don't go just to be in God's presence, but you learn how to become like him. And over time you do the things he does. He teaches you and you help in creation, and expanding the universe and it's so much more that the traditional Christian view I learned. Got to give it to the Mormons, their understanding of Heaven is pretty amazing.

@kortnidodds9912

Жыл бұрын

Thats so true! I'm a LDS member my whole life, and this is absolutely true the way you explained it of our beliefs! 🥰

This was really helpful - coming from a reformed Baptist. I would love to see a video describing the differences between the LDS and evangelical versions of Christ. Many LDS believe we worship the same Christ, and I think this is a distinction that needs to be made.

@RVRTYGRarts

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There is only one Christ. Jesus, the only begotten of God, our Eternal Father; He would took our sins upon Him in the Garden of Gethsemane, who healed the sick and blind, who gave His life and was resurrected from the tomb. What Christ do you believe members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe in that is different from yours?

Once again love your insight and your unique perspective. I would just like to add that we need to be careful when we say “what the Bible teaches”. because everyone says that the Bible teaches one thing or another, but there are many interpretations of that Bible hence why we have so many different faiths out there. So as you learn, about the Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints, remember your understanding of the Bible, is only limited to(your) understanding, and to say the Bible teaches, or the Bible is saying… is one man’s interpretation of that scripture, I don’t want to be putting words in GODS mouth, only a prophet of God under his Direction and proper priesthood authority, has authority to say “ this is what the Bible means” when I teach, I share what I learn, and my feelings, about those sacred books, I’m no prophet, I would hate to face God and His Son and have to answer to him for miss leading and miss guiding his children. Truth is out there, everyone’s got it, find a way to put it together, The more we know, the more we are…. Keep up the faith sir, You are on a peculiar and awesome quest, and at the end as we are told, will bring you truth and light, GodBless

I agree with you that it is through the grace of Christ that all mankind is saved, although Jesus does command all of us to be Baptized to enter the kingdom of Heaven, which is an action leading to exaltation. So, it really is a combination of both.

@Chuckie1128

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not seeing when the thief/criminal on the cross next to Jesus was baptized. Could you tell me how it is he still entered the kingdom if your position is correct? Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise

@scottallred5370

2 жыл бұрын

Jesus told the thief he would be with him in Paradise not Heaven. Paradise is a waiting time and place before judgement. Even Christ told Mary that he had not ascended to his Father after being resurrected. So where were they? They were in the spirit world awaiting resurrection and judgement. Even the Bible claims that Jesus preached to the spirits in prison after his death before he was raised from the dead. Baptism is absolutely a requirement to enter Heaven- "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

@bestill365

2 жыл бұрын

@@scottallred5370 Exactly!

As a member of The Church of Jesus Christ LDS I am excited that you are reading the Book of Mormon. Now you can share with others that this incredible book of scripture is another testament to the divinity of Jesus Christ. The whole book shares testimonies of the Lord to a world that so desperately needs to know that He lives and loves us all. Thank you for your open heart in trying to understand .

@ostomatemark72

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I would also add, that as you are reading The Book of Mormon, you need to also be fervently and humbly praying to our Heavenly Father to know if this book is true. As a member of The LDS faith, I too have had to pray to know if the Book of Mormon is true. And I can bear testimony to you that I have indeed received an answer from the Holy Ghost that The Book of Mormon is true. 🙏🙏🙏

@dehende07

Жыл бұрын

@@ostomatemark72 I read it and prayed, And it was revealed to me that this book was a bunch of LIESSSSS

@sandrabarbera3789

Жыл бұрын

@@dehende07 so sorry you didn't feel the testimony of our Lord and Savior Jesus as you read about Him. The purpose of the book of Mormon is to let the world know that Jesus lives, love all His children and wants to bless us as we love one another. Almost every page speaks of His sacrifice on the cross for our sins, so why would you call that a lie. I encourage all to get a free copy from a missionary and learn oj God's love and care for you. Perhaps you could read it with an open heart and if you don't get a confirmation of truth about the book you can still feel God's love for you. Thank you for reading.

@sandrabarbera3789

Жыл бұрын

Sorry I forgot to mention my previous text was to Ostomate Mark. We don't always get that confirmation at first, we have to read and study , like all gospel learning, we have to be sincere and live as a Christian and trust God.

@ronol4238

Жыл бұрын

​@@sandrabarbera3789 Greetings Sandra: Do you think the Book of Mormon contradicts the Bible? Do you not understand that the Jesus of the Mormon faith is not the same Jesus as portrayed in the Bible? No person can receive eternal life without trusting in the genuine Jesus (Mormons do not trust in the genuine Jesus). I am saying this to be helpful to you, if you have any questions to ask me I can explain this in more depth.

Honest question - why would there be different kinds of material bodies after resurrection from your viewpoint?

To be reconciled by God would mean we would have to repent and be on the covenant path, doing the best we can, for the rest of our days. If we falter, we repent with real intent and promise once again to try to keep those covenants. It's about recognizing our faults, repenting daily and doing our best each day. It's about helping to lift others who might be down. That's the doing part among other things. I personally found a lot of information in this video. I love what you are doing. Keep it up!! May you always feel the Spirit and blessings from God.

Faith is a word of action.

@maxstooksberry9458

Жыл бұрын

Faith is the assurance of hope, and conviction of things not seen. It is trust, sincere belief.

I support the comments on reading the Book of Mormon to truly and fully understand what we believe and why. I give my own suggestion that you should start from the beginning and make a video of your thoughts on 1 Nephi!

@edgonzalez8031

2 жыл бұрын

However the BoM does NOT cover what you believe too clearly. To be fair, the BoM is written to say there is only one God and has a lot of bible versus in it. It does NOT cover Godhood, Polygamy (I get it’s not openly practiced but sort of is. A man can still be sealed to multiple wives if they die before his next marriage), endowment, temple ceilings, etc. The BoM is a start but it definitely does not hold all LDS teachings in one place. Hence the use of the other claims to standard works.

@Pablo--fb3lk

2 жыл бұрын

@@edgonzalez8031 I politely disagree. Agree to disagree. Yes everything that happens inside the temple is important, but it’s sacred. Not really a good place to start. And church history is important, but the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is always changing through revelation from our modern day prophets. What's happening today right now in the church is more important than history! Thus, what has always stayed the same in regards to our beliefs is the Book of Mormon! In my opinion, for Jeff who is just starting to learn about the Church of Jesus Christ, there isn't a better place to start than to read the Book of Mormon which makes us (Latter-day Saints) stand out from the rest of Christianity!

@rachelczumaya2806

2 жыл бұрын

@@edgonzalez8031 The Book of Mormon prophesies of the restoration and the keys being held by the prophet Joseph Smith and his successors however. All the questions of polygamy etc have to do with revelation and understanding how God speaks to His prophets. So the idea is to ask God to know if He Himself appeared to Joseph Smith in vision. When I asked God this, I got a yes answer. And while these other questions are curious as to why God would do that, they aren’t as important to members as knowing that God did and does work through these prophets to bring about His kingdom and prepare the world for His return. Sometimes too often we ask “why would God do that?” Rather than asking Him “God did you do that and why?”

So, this means that if I have faith in Jesus, but don't follow his teaching, or act according to the teachings I will be granted salvation?

another question Isn't there a verse that says do not bring anything other books or writings something of sort?

Well done brother.

As an investigator of many churches, the topic of 'Heaven' always confounded me. Growing up in the south and hearing the Southern Baptist doctrine of Heaven as an eternity of living in Gods presence and glory and singing praise to God was incomplete to me. It makes sense to me that just as we live on this earth, have children, develop families, and those children progress to create their own families furthering glorifying the Patriarch and Matriarch through their families, the eternities...worlds without end...would be the same. At the same time, the powers of creation must be preserved to those that demonstrate their capacity to be responsible....thus...the different 'degrees' of glory. This has everything to do with who we show ourselves to be (our nature and capacity) and nothing to do with which church we follow or that we follow a Gospel at all. THAT is all resolved through Grace. So it isnt a question of 'works' so much as it is a demonstration of character and capacity that dictates where we will be in 'Heaven'.

@DavoBenjamin

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Ralph Waldo Emerson created the epigram which sheds light on becoming and on destiny. Sow a thought and you reap an action; Sow an act and you reap a habit; Sow a habit and you reap a character; Sow a character and you reap destiny. These truths I live by in my conversation toward becoming a true Christian. You've heard the phrase "you are what you eat." Another phrase is "you become what you do."

@dalelittle6519

Жыл бұрын

@@DavoBenjamin I love this couplet. I would add the prelude, "Sow a feeling and you reap a thought..." 😀 Through the Savior's matchless Atonement, *all* may choose to repent anywhere along Emerson's articulation (source debated) stated above. Mortality is all about learning to reach our full potential by becoming "new creatures in Christ." Many Ortho Christians believe this process is instantaneous "adoption" into the household of faith when we accept Jesus Christ as our personal Savior. It's similar for LDS Christians, but many of us believe the "straight and narrow way" is a life-long process of discovery, service, and joyful endurance (though, admittedly, betimes challenging).

@8:00 I would not take with that Sister missionaries said in that way. Rather, think of it this way: Christ paid the gift for everyone, but few will accept it fully. Every single person can be exalted. But some people like to live lower laws. They don’t want to live the higher laws. Just like Israel did not want to live the higher law when Moses came down from the mountain. With a metaphorical expression of how people live in what choices they choose. That’s what exaltation is.

Thank you for making a channel on this!

You are doing a good work! This is coming from a frustrated Mormon. Know that this gospel you preach is found in Mormonism, but is mixed and tangled with other doctrine that can cover it up. There are Saints ready to hear this but the culture is crippling and controlling despite our true faith in Jesus Christ. This is not an easy mission, so I commend you for taking it on!

Thanks Pastor for trying to understand us. Yes, we have the biggest heaven! (within those three degrees). One thing the video did not cover probably for brevity was that ALL of the degrees have salvation and the presence of God. The Celestial enjoy the presence of The Father, The Son Jesus and The Holy Ghost (or Holy Spirit). The Terrestrial has The Son and The Holy Ghost. The Telestial has only God in the presence of The Holy Ghost. Also ultimately every soul will confess Christ and therefore reach at least some degree of salvation. "That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow...And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.." Philippians 2: 10,11 : The Book of Mormon, Mosiah 27: 31 : Doctrine and Covenants, Section 88: 104. That we Pre-Existed with God as His children before birth? Bible Jeremiah 1:5 ; Job 38:4, 7 ; John 9: 2,3 ; Ecclesiastes 12: 7. You toured an LDS Draper Deseret Book. Author Robert Millet author is a good scholarly interview.

@windywithachanceofsunshine5219

2 жыл бұрын

Ray, First, the bible does not teach levels of glory.Just the fact that each level of Mormon heaven has access to different persons, is disturbing. If I knew nothing about Mormonism, I would think that the Son and Holy Ghost were lesser beings. Not the case in the bible that teaches the Trinity. God the Father, Jesus and the Holy Ghost are all God, personages for specific purpose but all God, just as a man can be a father, a son and a friend all at the same time. Salvation is salvation, the ultimate eternal life where we will be with God. Period. Peace!

@rconger384

2 жыл бұрын

Dear @@windywithachanceofsunshine5219 "..peace be unto you" as well. " It is apparent that if God rewards everyone according to the deeds done in the body, the term 'heaven' as intended for man's eternal home must include more kingdoms than one. In speaking of man in his resurrected state, Paul tells of glories like the sun, the moon, and the Stars (1st Corinthians 15:39 through 41). He also speaks of the "third heaven" (2 Corinthians 12:2). Jesus spoke of "many mansions" or kingdoms (John 14:2). Latter-Day Revelation *confirms the teaching of the Bible* on these matters and verifies that there are three general categories or glories to which the members of the human family will be assigned in the judgment following their resurrection from the grave. These are known as the celestial, terrestrial, and telestial kingdoms, of which the sun, the moon, and the stars are spoken of as being typical. (Doctrine and Covenants 76; 88: 20-32; 131: 1-4). In addition to the degrees of glory, there is a place of no glory, called perdition, reserved for those who commit the unpardonable sin. " Furthermore the Bible teaches The Godhead (Collosians 2:9) not the Trinity. The word "trinity" does not appear in the Bible. "Latter-day Saints reject the doctrines of the Trinity as taught by most Christian churches today. These creeds were canonized in the fourth and fifth centuries A.D. and do not reflect the thinking or beliefs of the New Testament church."

@BGCflyer

2 жыл бұрын

@@rconger384 …please read all of Colossians, shalom alachem!

@windywithachanceofsunshine5219

2 жыл бұрын

@@rconger384 The bible is the original Word of God. Any scripture that conflicts with the bible is false because both cannot be true. So if you believe the doctrines of the LDS church then you are rejecting the bible. You are taking rewards of deeds done too literally. The one and only heaven is the reward for faith and good deeds. The "third" heaven is where God lives. The other two "heavens" are not the eternal heaven. The terrestrial and telestial kingdoms you mention are actually the sky where the birds fly, and the atmosphere above us where the stars and planets are. If you study the verbiage of the time when the bible was written, that is what is means. Everyone who attains salvation will go to the same heaven where God is and share eternal life. Heaven is nothing like earth. It is not a continuation of our life here. It is so much more. And most of all, the bible is very clear on the Trinity. We are told numerous times about each of God's personages and how they are the same person. So separating them and making them different is in direct conflict with Jesus' teachings. Peace!

So, I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and I will say it's a topic for deep conversation, but the general belief is that God sent Jesus Christ, who saved us with the Atonement, that's Salvation, and exaltation is gained by the way we live our lives, in accordance with the covenants we make, in the temple, as well as Baptism. It's kind of like God gave us Salvation, it's a gift, and we show thanks to God, by covnenting with Him, and living as He would have us live(exaltation).

enjoying all your videos as an evangelical christian as you explore LDS doctrine. It's definitely interesting.

Loving this 🙌 thanks for all your "works" 🤯❤

I just listened to you on Steven Pynakker's podcast. I am no longer a member of the Mormon Church, but I am an avid student of the scriptures and doctrine. I don't think the current doctrines as taught by the church are exactly what our own scriptures teach. There are three degrees of bodies AND three degrees of glory. There is a distinction that the church doesn't make, but which are in the scriptures. To read about this see Sections 76 and 88. The Book of Mormon correctly teaches the doctrine of grace, but most Mormons don't understand is and tend to avoid it. Mormonism is very works-oriented. This is not what the gospel of Jesus Christ teaches.

@dylanwilliams2202

2 жыл бұрын

Oh it doesn't? What about all these? James 2:14-26, Matthew 7:20-23, Matthew 16:27, John 5:29, Luke 11:28, Acts 10:35, Romans 2:5-13, 1 Corinthians 3:8, 1 Corinthians 3:13-14, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, 2 Corinthians 5:10, Galatians 6:4-9, Ephesians 6:8, Philippians 2:12, Colossians 1:10, Colossians 3:24-25, 1 Timothy 6:18-19, 2 Timothy 3:17, Titus 1:16, Titus 2:14, Hebrews 4:11, 1 Peter 1:17, Revelations 2:23-26, Revelation 14:13 Revelation 20:12

@dylanwilliams2202

2 жыл бұрын

@@brianbacon3106 Bruh

I have really appreciated your comments and perspective because it is so helpful to understand each other when it comes to beliefs among the different sects of Christianity. So often we talk past each other and never pause to understand and appreciate each other's sincere love of God and our Savior Jesus Christ and our collective desire to follow Him. Thank you for taking the time to try to understand and relate. I have to correct your interpretation of LDS belief in grace vs. works though. This is a common mis-understanding, even among members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. LDS members absolutely believe (or doctrine affirms) that no person "earns" salvation. (reference the Book of Mormon, Mosiah 2:21). There is nothing we (the human race) can do in and of ourselves to "earn" anything when it comes to salvation. We do believe that being saved in Gods Kingdom is thru the grace of Jesus Christ. A better term would be to "qualify" by Faith for salvation thru the grace of Jesus Christ and His Atoning sacrifice. It is the Lord's suffering and Atonement that cleanses us from sin and makes repentance possible. We define Faith as not just to believe, but including works (to demonstrate our Faith--not to earn salvation) as James defines it in James 2:26 that Faith, without works, is dead. I believe at times members of the Church focus too much on the works aspect of that passage and not enough on other passages referencing Christ's grace. This is one thing I wish we would focus more on in the church. Here is a good authoritative talk given by an Apostle of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints that you can reference as church doctrine... www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2015/04/the-gift-of-grace?lang=eng Elder Uchdorf "The Gift of Grace" God Bless you for the good work you are doing to educate and help us understand and appreciate each other in the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Sincerely, Thank you.

Love your videos and your respectful analysis. One point. We didn't get our belief of the Three Degrees of Glory from Paul, or from any passage in the Bible. We received it directly from God to his Prophet. This Gospel was restored by the Savior, with all the Ordinances and Covenants and Priesthoid authority also restored. A fascinating section in our Doctrine and Covenants that explains these three kingdoms in greater detail is Section 76. Please keep your videos coming. They're fascinating.

Hello Pastor! As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, this is one of my favorite topics! Salvation is such a fundamental principle. If I may, I would love to share some things pertaining to my perspective here: First, justification by Jesus Christ alone brings about salvation. We both would likely agree wholeheartedly on this. But while justification by Christ is the base of salvation, it is not the whole story. Sanctification through Christ certainly has an important role in our ultimate salvation. You see, what is salvation? Is it just a dividing line between a place called Heaven and place called Hell? No, it is so much more and I believe the Bible supports this. What do we have to be saved from? Well first, for example, we have to be saved from physical death, as our bodies are essential for everlasting joy (else why would we even need a resurrection?). Next, we need to be saved from sin; not only from the stain and consequences of sin, we need to be saved from the tyranny, rule and reign of sin within us. We need to really be saved FROM sin. We need our natures transformed into something more pure and holy. We need to be saved from our tendency to sin. We also need to be saved from ignorance. We need to understand the gospel, we need to understand what sin is and why it is bad. We need to be saved from our limited worldly viewpoint, and that can only come with an understanding of the gospel, as well as the plans and deigns of God. We need to be saved from our fallen selves and everything ungodly about us and our situation. Other than physical death and the location of Hell (taken care of by justification), most of what I’ve described above falls under the category of sanctification. We need to learn how to receive the transformative grace of God within us. “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid” (Romans 6:1-2). Just as there are many varying degrees of faith and grace in every individual, there are varying degrees of glory and varying Kingdoms in Heaven. Not all can receive the same glory, because not all have the same faith, and cannot abide by the righteous laws that accompany that glory. D&C 88:21-24, "And they who are not sanctified through the law which I have given unto you, even the law of Christ, must inherit another kingdom, even that of a terrestrial kingdom, or that of a telestial kingdom. For he who is not able to abide the law of a celestial kingdom cannot abide a celestial glory. And he who cannot abide the law of a terrestrial kingdom cannot abide a terrestrial glory. And he who cannot abide the law of a telestial kingdom cannot abide a telestial glory; therefore he is not meet for a kingdom of glory. Therefore he must abide a kingdom which is not a kingdom of glory.” Think about it, God would not force anyone to be where they would not choose to be. Would not living by the righteous laws of God be a type of Hell to those who really don’t want that in the first place? Salvation by justification is important! It saves us from a bitter Hell. But general salvation from Hell is not the same as Eternal Life, which is being saved in the Kingdom of God, in Heaven. The scriptures define Eternal Life as “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent” (John 17:3). Further the scriptures say, “And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him” (1 John 2:3-4). This is also why Revelation teaches, “Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie” (Revelation 22:14-15). Again, this is why the Lord Himself teaches, “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven” (Matthew 7:21). Only the sanctified inherit the Kingdom of God, as they are the ones who truly desire to be there. Sanctification certainly requires personal effort. Yet we can never sanctify ourselves without relying entirely upon Jesus Christ. It is only His Spirit that can purify us and permanently change our minds, hearts and natures. This is why Paul teaches already believing saints “Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling” (Philippians 2:12). Their salvation indeed has already been secured by means of justification by Christ. Yet, their sanctification, their journey of faith is not yet complete. Where they will ultimately end up in the Glories and kingdoms of Heaven is still being worked out… Our works in and of themselves have no power to save us in any kind of merit based way. That is not how salvation works (Ephesians 2:8-9). But what then of sanctification and what can we really do? Turn to God, chose to be humble, repent and rely upon Him. We can also make covenants to commit and bind ourselves to Him. It is not about a metric of works, it is a metric of the heart. It is a metric of our willingness. Again that’s about it. That’s really all we can offer God. We do not have to be perfect to inherit the kingdom of God and have Eternal Life. We simply need to be willing to let Christ ever sanctify us, and be willing to do what He asks and truly become transformed new creatures by and in Him. This is real faith. This is sanctifying faith. This is the faith that leads not only to general salvation from Hell by justification, but glory and exaltation by sanctification through Christ.

@covertLLC

2 жыл бұрын

The Book of Mormon is unnecessary accoutrement, the only book needed to understand Jesus and salvation is the Bible. Faith without works is dead, but Jesus has already paid the price for our salvation..

@chrishumphries7489

2 жыл бұрын

@@covertLLC Did you read my post?

@HelloSaints

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts, @Chris Humphries. Framing the discussion with sanctification is an interesting perspective. This aspect of salvation (sanctification) is debated some in non-LDS Christianity regarding whether it is accomplished at salvation or progressively in this life and not completed until death. Sanctification is about holiness at the end of the day and being separated from sin and unto God through Christ’s redemption on the cross Since he makes us holy, I still strain to see where the bible teaches that all will go to heaven but only some will be with God based on their level of holiness. My view on this comes from a few different passages, but mainly Hebrews 10. Thank you for the thoughtful and kind discussion!

@chrishumphries7489

2 жыл бұрын

@@HelloSaints Can I just say that I greatly enjoy talking with you- I appreciate your kindness and willingness to discuss also! I am a firm believer that we can continually learn much from each other and from God. I think you will find this response interesting and informative (I also hope you find it enjoyable!). One thing this video (the LDS one) did not do, in my opinion, was describe Hell very well. So if I may, I think it will add much to the discussion/understanding of the plan of salvation. First, Hell is very real. It is described as both a place and a state of being. Joseph Smith described the true nature of Hell as, “A man is his own tormenter and his own condemner. Hence the saying, They shall go into the lake that burns with fire and brimstone. The torment of disappointment in the mind of man is as exquisite as a lake burning with fire and brimstone." Further the Book of Mormon teaches, “Therefore if that man repenteth not, and remaineth and dieth an enemy to God, the demands of divine justice do awaken his immortal soul to a lively sense of his own guilt, which doth cause him to shrink from the presence of the Lord, and doth fill his breast with guilt, and pain, and anguish, which is like an unquenchable fire, whose flame ascendeth up forever and ever” (Mosiah 2:38). We are beings of light and how awful it is to transgress and/or sin against the light (John 1:9). Hell is experienced immediately after death for any and all truly unrepentant sins. The intensity, time and anguish is consistent with the severity of the sins and unrepentant-ness in the heart of the sinner. The Bible teaches that even the unrepentant liar will have his part in Hell (Revelation 21:8). Without Jesus Christ we are cut off from God, permanently and Hell would truly be endless because no mercy could ever be given. Our sins would stain us forever. Jesus Christ, through His atonement, has already paid the awful price and can extend mercy to us. However, He cannot rob divine justice, it must have its claim, else God would be unjust. “But there is a law given, and a punishment affixed, and a repentance granted; which repentance, mercy claimeth; otherwise, justice claimeth the creature and executeth the claw, and the law inflicteth the punishment; if not so, the works of justice would be destroyed, and God would cease to be God….For behold, justice exerciseth all his demands, and also mercy claimeth all which is her own; and thus, none but the truly penitent are saved. What, do ye suppose that mercy can rob justice? I say unto you, Nay; not one whit. If so, God would cease to be God” (Alma 42:22-25). The penitent, the humble and repentant, who truly exercise faith in Christ may escape the clutches of Hell. This may be immediate if we truly have overcome our sins by the grace of Jesus Christ, or it may come after some suffering must be endured. It will be both fair, just and merciful according to the perfect goodness of God. There are some sins so severe, such as murder that cannot be forgiven in this life (as there is no way to make restitution for those type of actions, and thus cannot fully repent in this life). As I explained above, even with the mercy of Christ, justice must have its claim also. The perfect Biblical example is King David. Though he was generally a good man, and even a prophet, he committed both murder by shedding innocent blood (unforgivable sin in this life) and adultery by marrying the wife of the man he murdered. He knows he will suffer in hell, yet he rejoices in Christ and the promise of eventual redemption. In Psalm 16:10 (and Acts 2:27) "thou wilt not leave my soul in hell" he exclaims in both pain and hope. David’s soul must suffer in Hell, yet he will not be left there and eventually will be redeemed. The flames of Hell are eternal. Sin and rebellion against God and His light will never be acceptable, it will never bring good or lasting happiness. If we will not take hold of Jesus Christ, then the only fate is to remain there forever in truly endless misery, becoming as the devil and angels to the devil. My point to all of this is that though general salvation is vast and most of the human family will eventually be redeemed, it does not destroy the principles of justice and mercy, but only enhances our understanding of the great goodness, love and fairness of God. When Jesus Christ really saved the world, He really did! This is the good news! He is not just the good-hearted shepherd; He is the good shepherd, He is good at what He does! Now it is very interesting to me that you say you gain your views mostly by Hebrews 10. That chapter mostly deals with teaching the Hebrew converts that there is no more sacrifice needed, for the great and final and only sacrifice has come. This is actually echoed in the Book of Mormon teaching people who still kept the law of Moses in anticipation for Christ, “For it is expedient that there should be a great and last sacrifice; yea, not a sacrifice of man, neither of beast, neither of any manner of fowl; for it shall not be a human sacrifice; but it must be an infinite and eternal sacrifice….. And behold, this is the whole meaning of the law, every whit pointing to that great and last sacrifice; and that great and last sacrifice will be the Son of God, yea, infinite and eternal” (Alma 34:10-14). Further though, in Hebrews 10:26 “For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.” And verse 29, “Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden underfoot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?” It is interesting to me that this is speaking of those who “had received the knowledge of truth”, accepted the gospel and were at one time “sanctified” but have turned entirely away. Verse 38 actually ties in to both 2 Peter 2:20-22 and Hebrews 6:4-6 which both describe saints who were once enlightened, partakers of the Holy Ghost, then entangled and turning back to again to sin and “trampling Christ under foot,” having an “ending worse than their beginning.” Sanctification appears to be an ongoing process. We are sanctified once we learn the truth, repent, turn to God and make everlasting covenants with Him (wash away our former sins through the waters of baptism, the first covenant, for example), however, we clearly seem to be able to lose that once-given state of holiness, humility and child-like heart (which the Savior teaches is required to enter the Kingdom of Heaven; Matthew 18:3-4, Mosiah 3:19). Sanctification can become lasting, however, by continued diligence in receiving the transformative grace of Christ, “Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall” (2 Peter 1:10, Helaman 5:12). Just because the vast majority of humanity will eventually be redeemed by Christ, it does not mean than many will not experience an awful Hell. But Hell does not have to be everlasting, but it will be if there is no faith in Christ, no change of heart, no repentance. If capacity for these things is lost, then that soul is truly lost. Nevertheless even if there is those things, God must still be just, and many may still have to suffer before mercy can be attributed. Mercy cannot rob justice, yet mercy can claim the penitent. How important then to show real faith in Christ and repent of our sins, turn to him, become humble, teachable, willing and loving as a little child and ever receive His sanctifying grace now while it is called "day" (Alma 34:31-34). Anyway, thank you for letting me share and taking the time to listen. Please let me know if you have any more thoughts. I always welcome and invite further discussion. God bless!

@rachelczumaya2806

2 жыл бұрын

Just as Christians say you need to confess in order to be saved, in our faith the works we do are the confession, not just vain words. They are not perfect and of themselves have no power to save. They must be done of a pure heart, and not with other motives to truly manifest the confession of faith in Jesus also. However, the works we do are signs to God that the confession made with our mouth is true and not just a lie. Jesus said, “Not everyone that says, ‘Lord, Lord’ shall enter into the kingdom of Heaven, but those that DO the will of my Father who is in Heaven.”

Your first statement where you say "the rest of Christianity" isn't that accurate. There are many many Christian sects with different interpretations of the afterlife. It would be more accurate to say they don't agree with you and your individual ministry.

@edgonzalez8031

2 жыл бұрын

Wrong. All bible believing Christians have pretty much the same beliefs with small tweeks of spiritual insignificance. For example when should baptism take place. But we all have the same Jesus, same God, and believe in the same Grace. There really is a Christian body and those who fall outside that even though there are small differences between Christian churches. Now the LDS and the JW have far too many and drastic changes and differences which is why they fall out of the fold of Christianity.

@boltrooktwo

2 жыл бұрын

@@edgonzalez8031 There is the rapture and purgatory out there to name a few. It is a false ad populum argument that is exclusionary based on numbers and the philosophies of people, not truth. I would be pulled into the argument only if I wasn't studied in the facts and philosophy, it is an argument that begs ignorance to succeed. There are many ecclesiastical structures, mary-ology, infant baptism, spinkling baptism, baptism with no priesthood or calling to baptize, cessation of priesthood, closed canon, icon worship, superstitions, calvinism, trinity, regeneration, and many many other differences that are major differences. The truth is in the fulness of scripture and all these sects don't follow all of it, they merely borrow what gives them ease and power with philosophies created in their own minds. My biggest difference I see that draws the line is some worship god as an immaterial, timeless, spaceless force and some worship God as a full Being. John 14: 6

Jeff, I like what you are doing. As a Latter-Day Saint that has been coming to different conclusions of the faith the last few years,I think it would be a worthwhile venture to look into resources of people that come from a Latter-Day Saint background, but are trying to get back to the foundations of the restored church that aren't taught today. I believe Joseph Smith was trying to restore biblical Christianity, along with the lines that the Lord will speak and restore what was lost from New Testament times. Steve from Mormon Book Reviews did an interview with Taylor Drake. He has a book and does a podcast called the Iron Rod podcast. They did a couple episodes on the 3 degrees(ep 37&38) that comes to different conclusions than the mainstream church using LDS scripture. If I'm correct, the main conclusion is that at the very end there will be a binary judgement. The website measuring doctrine can be a good resource for people as well on different topics. I highly recommend getting in touch with Taylor Drake. He can help with questions you might have about the faith as well. May God be with you in your venture.

@EduardoNewell

2 жыл бұрын

I’m friends with the creators of the Iron Rod podcast. Awesome guys. They really helped me unlock my faith and break the bands that held me captive in false traditions.

Great video, and the videos that I have watched that you have made on the LDS faith and Utah are very respectful and well done from my perspective as a Latter Day Saint. One question about something you shared in this video is this, You said Christianity as a whole believes that we are not all Children of God. So to clarify, God created beings that are not his children? Please explain further if you have a moment.

The different levels of heaven are described in the Bible in many places, first is Matthew 5: 19 "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Which is not a verse protestant's like to address, it isn't one of the favorite verses pastor's like to cover to fit their presuppositions. It also states it in 1 Cor. 15: 40 and 2 Cor. 12: 2 so this theology is consistent when scripture is studied in fulness. Salvation and Exaltation are two different words described as gifts from God available to people who accept being Saints of God. Rev. 3: 21 "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne." This passage is in scripture, in a Revelation to an apostle that is not to be changed, and it doesn't fit the other protestant presuppositions.

Jeremiah 1:4 Then the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, 5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. James2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the cFriend of God. 24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

@scottvance74

2 жыл бұрын

proof texting. Every religion is true if you simply go by their favorite scriptures. It's when you consider the whole book and all of the contradictions that you get into trouble.

@scottallred5370

2 жыл бұрын

Why do you think we have the whole book? Is God constrained by a book? The one thing that the Bible clearly provides is the pattern in which God speaks. He has and always will use prophets to lead the people and to reveal himself. There is so much more out there, and we’ll continue to receive more and more if we remain receptive and sensitive to the spirit.

@scottallred5370

2 жыл бұрын

@@scottvance74 Even more reason to have a living prophet to reveal and clarify the word of God.

@scottvance74

2 жыл бұрын

@@scottallred5370 You mean like when Brigham Young revealed and clarified that interracial marriage should be punished by death? Or were you thinking about a different living prophet and different revelation? Sometimes I think that we'd all be better off with a little less "clarity" from "God's messengers".

@scottallred5370

2 жыл бұрын

@@scottvance74The nice thing about scripture is it gives us the pattern on how God works. One of the things we notice is that even though God calls an individual he does not make the individual perfect or completely alter their opinion before using them to move his work forward. Instead he takes them where they are and incrementally enlightens them and helps them improve. All prophets have had their short comings, the Bible is very clear about that. Saul was persecuting the members of the church before his change of heart, and even then he taught some strange things. Peter denied the Lord three times and had to repent. Jonah ran away from his calling, and had to learn a hard lesson. What would the scriptures look like if the Lord had stopped talking right after Jonah's death? It amazes me that someone would want less of the word of God and not more. If God is willing to speak and if he uses a prophet to do so, I will listen and I will use the spirit of the Lord to decide if what they have taught is inspired or opinion.

Community of Christ Member Perspective To me, I always preferred the notion that Christ already atoned for my sins. Section 76 points towards Universal Reconciliation. It’s finished. I’m saved. I will be resurrected. Now I am free to work on my ascension. I’m free to become all that I can in Christ. Salvation isn’t something I worry about like other Christians. Spiritual growth and development concern me more. We say Three Degrees of Glory, but the revelation itself talks about an infinite number of possibilities within these degrees. It’s expansive.

@lewisswedenborg5287

2 жыл бұрын

And if you dig into the esoteric side of Mormonism, these degrees are also referring to the types of bodies we receive.

I feel that the discussion on grace vs. works is something that we (esp. as members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) are sometimes not very good at talking about. I happen to agree with you and when we talk about salvation as a reward for our works that that is only true to an extent but that we are ultimately saved by grace. One reason I think we sometimes (dangerously) characterize salvation in this way is because we emphasize the necessity of obedience and works. Sometimes to a fault.

So stopped at about 3 minutes 50 seconds in, although we often refer to the three degrees of Glory as 3 kingdoms of Heaven, that is not necessarily the most accurate, we definitely are referring to the kind of Body you receive after the resurrection, especially when referencing that scripture in Corinthians. I know it might not seem that way, this is more of a language difference. Different Degrees of Glory is referring more to the Body/State of the person than Physical location. Stopping again at 5 minutes 30 seconds. Once again I Believe this is more of a language difference, in LDS belief, Perfected =/= glorified or holy. In this case Perfect would mean perfectly functioning, with all of its parts and immortal(can't die). the resurrection is a restitution of all things, and only further condemns those who it condemns. Some to glory, others to Judgement or condemnation as you say. Stopping again at 6 minute 45 seconds. Premortal life isn't really talked about in the Book of Mormon all to much. Now I want to Clarify when we say we are children of God, wheat we mean is, our spirits are literal Children of God the Father, God is referred to as the Father of Spirits in Hebrew chapter 12. This literal sense is not necessarily sexual, but is completely separate to becoming children of God through Christ, which is a more metaphysical thing. this isn't the most accurate way to put this but it explains it sufficiently: God is our Creator, therefore we are all his children in a this literal sense, Not in the way discussed in John 1:12. Its a language/cultural barrier again, because we very much agree with you. Stopping at 8 minutes 40 seconds. most of what you said is fine, Exaltation is more comparable to other Christian concepts such as Theosis, Divinization, second work of grace, Sanctification, or regeneration. It is through the grace of Christ, to take upon yourself the nature of God I Suppose. I'm not quite sure how to fully translate this over, also I have a huge problem with how Our video called Exaltation a reward, that is sufficient answer to introduce this topic in a vacuum but it is not the most accurate, its more of a natural consequence of fully accepting Christ. Eternal life is to live the kind of life (post resurrection) that God Lives. I haven't translated it well to a more understandable language, but I hope this helps. 10 minutes and 5 seconds in. You aren't going to believe this, but we do indeed believe in salvation through Grace Alone and Faith alone. I know it seemingly contradicts almost everything we have ever said, but that's only because of Cultural and Linguistic differences. it doesn't contradict what we say and believe. We would never use this phrase "by grace alone and by faith alone" but that's because of a misunderstanding on our part. When we hear that we picture someone who (in from what I understand the general Christian view is) does not accept Christ, who doesn't have faith in Christ, who denies Christ forever and ever, who enters into heaven, into the presence of God, rejecting him the whole way and while there, cursing his name, and who only got in by bearing false witness, pretending to believe in Christ for but a moment of their life. From our point of view that's what we think you are saying and I doubt you are saying that. That's why we frame things with words such as actions and works, despite the fact that it is not accurate. I could go on into more detail regarding this, but I think this is sufficient. 11 minutes 25 seconds. I just want to clarify the Preaching in Prison is Not a second opportunity, it is a first. We do believe once you die you are pretty much locked in I suppose, but for those who didn't really have an honest chance, id say they have until about the resurrection. 14 minute 24 seconds, Like I said, we do believe in being saved (yes and exalted) by faith, it is a free gift of Grace. our works are but filthy rags, we just have no idea how to express this, and phrase things differently, being driven into the desert does that, we don't understand what your side is saying, and your side doesn't understand what mine is saying. Over all our view of the Kingdoms/degrees of Glory is more along the lines of, how much did you allow Christ to change you, did you allow his Grace to work in your life and turn you into a new Creature. I'm trying to translate our beliefs, I hope my attempt has helped. Thank you for this video. its been a long long time since I have seen a pastor that actually cares to know and understand, actually truth be told, there has only ever been one, I've seen, maybe, if that.

@HelloSaints

2 жыл бұрын

Very helpful insight. Gives me a lot to go back and look into for greater understanding and clarity. Thank you for taking the time to post.

@justiningham187

2 жыл бұрын

@@clearstonewindows You bring up a good point that should be noted by everyone discussing our beliefs. We know a lot of general ideas, but details are usually pretty speculative/fuzzy. I always hear "Mormons believe xyz," but truth is, it's not that we believe that as a whole, but it's more "any specific member might believe XYZ because it doesn't seem to conflict directly with any well know concept in the Church or even if it does seem to conflict, a very unique and specific interpretation of words can seemingly make it not conflict" It is claimed that we believe we believe in many gods. This varies to individual to individual, depending on their specific interpretations, and how you are defining god and how you define belief in god. Because just depending on context and definition alone I can go from 1 all the way to an infinity easily. And my answers (aside from very specific definitions of God) would probably be unique to me, and those that aren't wouldn't be exactly universal, though probably would match up with the overwhelming majority of active members. Depending on definition Satan can be described as a god, so can Abraham, Noah, the Archangel Michael, the mortal Adam, etc. Heck depending on definition I can be described as a god. However, just to make it clear, for anybody else reading this. when just asked "how many gods are there?" the answer will usually be 1(God the Father, or the Godhead as a whole) or 3 (the Father, the Son, and The Holy Spirit), because by the most common definitions those are the correct answers.

@rachelczumaya2806

2 жыл бұрын

Instead of typing the times out you can say @11:30 and it will take anyone clicking on it to that time in the video without having to search for it.

@rachelczumaya2806

2 жыл бұрын

@@HelloSaints It really is a lot to study, like the equivalent of saying “I’m just barely learning about astrophysics for the first time”. It takes 8 years to get a degree in studies to be considered a doctor. I have been studying my religion both critically and for personal growth since I was 14. I have come to find that much of the issue with Christians and members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has to do with semantics and different definitions. We use one term to mean things one way and Christians may use the same term but another way. I am fine that traditional or reformational Christians don’t call us Christians, but I do hope they call us believers in Jesus Christ. We are “restorational Christians” not “reformational Christians” or “traditional Christians”. We can all believe in Jesus in our own way together and be a body One in Christ. That’s my prayer in His name. Amen. I love that you are approaching this with curiosity and communicating that different people have different interpretations of scripture and we can still live in peace with each other and help each other build a better world for the Lord Jesus Christ to come back to.

Life time Mormon now Christian here. Nice to know that Jesus's church is not complicated. It's from the Bible. The word. Thank you for this channel. Been struggling "unlearning" the Mormon doctrine.

@kimkrey3523

Жыл бұрын

Same, friend! From religion to relationship-it has been a beautiful gift. (One that came only after a whole lot of heartache over losing church-related belief in the LDS faith.) But God had a plan. Also, I think the approach used in this video series is perfect! 🙏🏼

Hello Pastor Jeff. I'm curious. Do you believe or the religion you pertain to believe Jesus and the Father (God) as separate (like in the LDS church) or is God the father is the Christ in the Flesh who came do to save us?

I skimmed through the comments to see if this has already been addressed but didn’t see it and wanted to dive a little deeper in the concept of “Spirit Prison” or Hell as it was explained in that video. I welcome your thoughts too. We believe that hell, or spirit prison as it was called, is a holding location for spirits who haven’t accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior, nor been baptized in this life. We believe that God the Father is a God of justice and as such everyone will be judged for their works/acts in life (both good and bad). If following Christ’s example of baptism and participation in his Gospel are required for salvation/exaltation, what happens to the millions/billions of souls who never had the chance to learn about Jesus Christ while alive? Would it be fair or just to keep them out of Heaven if they never had a chance to choose Christ? This is why we believe that everyone will have the chance to hear the Gospel and the freedom to accept or reject it. Missionary work happens in Spirit Prison and for those that accept Christ will have the opportunity to be freed from prison to live with him in Eternal Life. If they accept Him after being taught in Spirit Prison, but didn’t have a chance to be baptized for a remission of their sins, how then could they live in Heaven, where no unclean being can enter? This is where the work that we do in Temples, of baptism and sealing family members together in eternal marriages, on behalf of those who have already died, is such an important focus in Latter-day Saint practices. When we baptize a deceased person by proxy in a temple, it does not mean that they’ve been converted to Christ. But rather, in provides them those saving ordinances IF they do choose to follow Him in the Eternities. I believe that these truths make sense and are evidence of why modern prophets are needed. A former prophet/President of the church named Gordon B Hinckley extended invitations to the world saying, bring your good teachings and beliefs with you and see if we can’t add to them. We love and respect people of all faiths for the good that they are and do, and we indeed invite all to learn more and see if it the teachings of modern prophets can’t bolster what they know to be true and add additional light and knowledge to their understandings about things of God the Father, whom we worship, and His Son Jesus Christ who makes it possible for all who believe in Him to live eternally in their presence.