Part One: How the First Fitness Influencer Doomed Us All | BEHIND THE BASTARDS

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Part One: How the First Fitness Influencer Doomed Us All | BEHIND THE BASTARDS
Robert is joined by Caitlin Durante to discuss Bernarr MacFadden.
Original Air Date: November 9, 2021
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There’s a reason the History Channel has produced hundreds of documentaries about Hitler but only a few about Dwight D. Eisenhower. Bad guys (and gals) are eternally fascinating. Behind the Bastards dives in past the Cliffs Notes of the worst humans in history and exposes the bizarre realities of their lives. Listeners will learn about the young adult novels that helped Hitler form his monstrous ideology, the founder of Blackwater’s insane quest to build his own Air Force, the bizarre lives of the sons and daughters of dictators and Saddam Hussein’s side career as a trashy romance novelist.
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  • @alexcarter8807
    @alexcarter88078 ай бұрын

    The thing with exercising is, you need to have (1) time to exercise, (2) good food and enough of it - otherwise more exertion just means you starve faster, and (3) recovery - this last is important. You can't work 12 hours a day then workout and expect to recover on 4 hours of sleep. Only the well-to-do tend to have these three things.

  • @DrZaius3141
    @DrZaius31418 ай бұрын

    I just watched Kissinger, pt. 1 - so the "Nobel Peace Prize" bit hit doubly hard.

  • @justdatboio6878
    @justdatboio68788 ай бұрын

    The best fitness tip I've ever gotten was to love my workout. If you hate lifting weights in the gym then don't lift because you'll never have the motivation to do it. Find something you love to do that's active, for me it's mountain biking, for you it could be rock climbing. As long as you love doing it you'll never struggle with motivating yourself to do it.

  • @Countraccoonula

    @Countraccoonula

    4 ай бұрын

    100%. Jujitsu gives me five hours of exercise a week and I enjoy every minute. I do sit-ups and small things on rest days.

  • @JesseMaurais
    @JesseMaurais8 ай бұрын

    Joe Rogan is the male Gwyneth Paltrow

  • @sholem_bond

    @sholem_bond

    8 ай бұрын

    oh my God that's perfect

  • @raven_g6667

    @raven_g6667

    8 ай бұрын

    At least the most well known one. There's certainly ones who are moreso but less well known.

  • @sholem_bond
    @sholem_bond8 ай бұрын

    1:01:21 Fun fact: corsets, when sized and worn correctly, were not bad for you (or at least not worse than modern shapewear/bras and girdles). This is actually kind of a myth, apparently. In fact, a lot of corsets essentially sort of functioned as bras (in the sense that they would help support the weight of the breasts) and could help keep the back straight. Waist trainer-type corsets (and modern waist trainers, and again, girdles) or corsets laced too tight, were indeed bad for your breathing and digestion and long term/organ health. But most people didn't wear them that way most of the time, and you certainly didn't have to wear them like that/laced too tight. (The pod actually does sort of reference this, so OK.)

  • @bluegum6438

    @bluegum6438

    8 ай бұрын

    It's actually kind of astounding how often we just accept widely touted myths that are predicated on our ancestors being really stupid.

  • @kaitlynnp582

    @kaitlynnp582

    8 ай бұрын

    Thank you. I wanted to say something and you said it better than I can

  • @phillipsiebold8351
    @phillipsiebold83518 ай бұрын

    Just a note, what is describes is not vaccination, getting poked with cowpox to immunize you from smallpox, but rather variolation.

  • @sholem_bond

    @sholem_bond

    8 ай бұрын

    I had heard it called "inoculation," but maybe that's a more general term.

  • @DW-xw9pl

    @DW-xw9pl

    8 ай бұрын

    ​@shulamithbond The two techniques are both inoculation but with two different viruses. The Vaccinia (vaccination) virus or the Variola ( variolation) virus. The Vaccinia is a closely related strain to the Variola virus, but unlike the variola virus, it does not cause deadly small pox in humans. Modern vaccines are based on the idea of using less dangerous versions of a disease causing agent to inoculate like Vaccinia inoculation but today we no longer need to find safer viruses in nature but can create our own safer virus fragments.

  • @KaraZiasapiens
    @KaraZiasapiens8 ай бұрын

    Sophie is the Jiminy Cricket to Robert's Pinocchio.

  • @rexpowercolt5230

    @rexpowercolt5230

    8 ай бұрын

    You did it. You summarized the entire podcast

  • @KaraZiasapiens

    @KaraZiasapiens

    8 ай бұрын

    @@rexpowercolt5230 🤣🤣

  • @ethicalcheeze1407

    @ethicalcheeze1407

    8 ай бұрын

    ​@@rexpowercolt5230sweet username brah, Blood Dragon needs a sequel

  • @KaraZiasapiens
    @KaraZiasapiens8 ай бұрын

    Oh god, I don't know why, but the story of Bernard's mother just got me in the feels. She tried so damn hard. I wish there were a way to go back and give her the love and help she needed.

  • @willowarkan2263

    @willowarkan2263

    8 ай бұрын

    Like she did something nearly unthinkable at the time, if she had even the bare minimum support structure available to her, who knows how far her considerable strength could have taken her. But her family was near destitute, likely everyone she knew was in a similarly precarious position and likely if there were any institutions purporting to help, they were likely hell holes of abuse and exploitation at the time, more liable to punish her for being a single mother, regardless of if she is a widow.

  • @alexcarter8807

    @alexcarter8807

    8 ай бұрын

    @@willowarkan2263 Support structure? You mean.... *socialism??*

  • @willowarkan2263

    @willowarkan2263

    8 ай бұрын

    @@alexcarter8807 i mean I'd settle for a local community structure whose members aren't mostly on the brink of collapse either, but in general yes

  • @KaraZiasapiens

    @KaraZiasapiens

    8 ай бұрын

    @@willowarkan2263 Exactly. She jumped without a net, determined to either build or find the net on her way down. And she kind of succeeded, given that we knew at least her son survived, and became a success himself (if a bastard).

  • @KaraZiasapiens

    @KaraZiasapiens

    8 ай бұрын

    @@alexcarter8807 😁 Right? Her story, among countless others, was why people invented socialism in the first place.

  • @greymage5335
    @greymage53358 ай бұрын

    But the Romeo/Juliet law does require a previous legal minor relationship. It's sketchy, but it's meant to protect someone who hits a birthday from suddenly being in violation of the law.

  • @Daedalus117

    @Daedalus117

    8 ай бұрын

    Yeah. But the scene in transformers is just as weird and creepy as he described. Just bizarre

  • @awkwardukulele6077

    @awkwardukulele6077

    8 ай бұрын

    So the scene was creepy AND inaccurate? Hoooooooo boy, I miss when I didn’t know about this.

  • @greymage5335

    @greymage5335

    8 ай бұрын

    @@Daedalus117 I believe the point was to irritate the 'overprotective' father and possibly set up the boyfriend to be her protector later in the movie. Obviously a kid who LOOKED like a boy her age wouldn't fit well so they tried to justify her boyfriend being a grown man. It was a pretty ham fisted way to do it.

  • @alexcarter8807
    @alexcarter88078 ай бұрын

    Vitamins were not well understood back then so obviously there was no vitamin supplementation. Hence, if you stayed inside all the time and never saw the sun, you became deficient in vitamin D which is really bad for you. If you were a child, lack of vitamin D gave you "rickets" because your boned didn't develop properly. Lack of green veggies and healthy food in general meant a lack of B vitamins, iron, etc. I've worked as an electronics tech and with the long hours, saw maybe one hour of wan sun a *week* that's less than a Death Row prisoner gets. The difference is, I could take vitamin pills. Without vitamin pills, like if they'd never been invented, I can see modern companies having employees being required to be out in the sun for an hour at midday, exercising and getting sun exposure. Thank goodness for modern science and technology! People can be kept indoors for 60 or more hours a week and no nonsense about getting out and getting sun and exercise. That would cut into productivity!

  • @brandchan
    @brandchan8 ай бұрын

    This childhood is like an American version of a Charles Dickinson novel.

  • @alexcarter8807

    @alexcarter8807

    8 ай бұрын

    A surprising number of Americans' childhoods are like something out of a Dickens novel. For some reason, Dickens' tales of hard times, written as morality lessons in England, are taken to be blueprints for how to run society.

  • @jamiefrontiera1671
    @jamiefrontiera16718 ай бұрын

    Alexander skarsgard also talked about how miserable he was training for his Tarzan movie

  • @RidleyJones
    @RidleyJones8 ай бұрын

    If ya boy had been around today, he'd have spelled his name Bern-R

  • @ludo_narr

    @ludo_narr

    5 ай бұрын

    "They call me Bern-R, because I bern those calories."

  • @Countraccoonula

    @Countraccoonula

    4 ай бұрын

    He'd have a brand of pre workout called 'pre-bern' and a recovery drink called 'post bern care'

  • @OmniLiquid
    @OmniLiquid8 ай бұрын

    About halfway through I started headcanoning Bernarr as Brad Pitt's character in Burn After Reading, and after briefly looking at some pictures of him, maybe not far off

  • @eldisturbo9556
    @eldisturbo95568 ай бұрын

    Not me drinking Hurricanes while listening to this podcast *nervous eyes*

  • @woahblackbettybamalam
    @woahblackbettybamalam8 ай бұрын

    If this is about Jack LaLane then we gonna have some words.

  • @hillside21

    @hillside21

    8 ай бұрын

    @woahblackbetty7691 My earliest TV memories are Jack LaLanne, Captain Kangaroo and Miss Nancy, but only Jack swim-towed 70 boats on his 70th birthday, in handcuffs.

  • @noxthemc7717
    @noxthemc77178 ай бұрын

    It is surreal to listen to this while I work out.

  • @justcommenting4981
    @justcommenting49818 ай бұрын

    People also typically stop eating when close to death. I assume it is not "instinctive" but a natural result of metabolic functions slowing down or stopping. You wouldn't feel hungry and food would just sit in your inert guts. I assume this is true for most animals. The other one is getting cold.

  • @sd-ch2cq

    @sd-ch2cq

    8 ай бұрын

    Makes sense. You usually don't just die all at once, you die over the course of several minutes/hours.

  • @diggysoze2897

    @diggysoze2897

    7 ай бұрын

    And cows have no knowledge of calories, never mind the concept of their own mortality leading them to saving food for other cows. Talk about a leap. Lol

  • @MrGksarathy

    @MrGksarathy

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@diggysoze2897We don't know for sure about that last one, especially since cows are herd animals, and altruistic behavior would be selected for.

  • @teeelbaybay
    @teeelbaybay8 ай бұрын

    robert describing how modern mma/wrestling/etc works nowadays while acting like no one would do that

  • @mrsbootsworkouts
    @mrsbootsworkouts8 ай бұрын

    Yep! Gotta love the workouts, thanks coach!

  • @shantisimus
    @shantisimus8 ай бұрын

    Hey Robert! Do you know about Slim Goodbody? He was a touring health/wellness/children’s singer…

  • @plasticcoyote
    @plasticcoyote8 ай бұрын

    committing Physical Culture Treason is why I got fired from abercrombie and fitch in 2007

  • @TwentyNineJP
    @TwentyNineJP2 ай бұрын

    By the time of Bernarr's vaccination, I'm pretty sure they were using cowpox lymphs instead of actual smallpox. It was still not *safe* compared to modern vaccinations, but it was of course still much less dangerous than actual smallpox

  • @alexcarter8807
    @alexcarter88078 ай бұрын

    I chose to go into electronics because the one guy I knew who was in that field, was fat. And yes, being fat was very difficult in the 1970s, you had to really be doing something right to be fat. When I joined the Army I weighed less than 100 lbs and drank a *lot* of water to "make weight", I gained weight on that good Army food in Basic Training and well, I never went hungry in the Army. Considering how horrible the economy's been all through my adult life, I should have stayed in the Army for a full career. Electronics has turned out to be pretty much minimum-wage like everything else is these days.

  • @diggysoze2897

    @diggysoze2897

    7 ай бұрын

    Weird situation to blame the economy. Lmfao.

  • @willowarkan2263
    @willowarkan22638 ай бұрын

    16:00 isn't that variolation not vaccination?

  • @alexcarter8807

    @alexcarter8807

    8 ай бұрын

    Yep variolation, and it goes back at least to George Washington's time; he had his soldiers immunized in this way.

  • @willowarkan2263

    @willowarkan2263

    8 ай бұрын

    @@alexcarter8807 ancient Egypt at least if memory serves.

  • @MrGksarathy

    @MrGksarathy

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@willowarkan2263It's not that old. Variolation was probably invented around the 17th century.

  • @willowarkan2263

    @willowarkan2263

    2 ай бұрын

    @@MrGksarathy Fair enough, looked into it again and the oldest written account is from the 16th century China, with heavy implication of being around a lot longer, given the way the author wrote about it, complaining about practitioners keeping their techniques secret. Source: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3407399/

  • @_NewtonMeter
    @_NewtonMeter8 ай бұрын

    36:43 just imagining a swole Benjamin franklin

  • @Jwend392
    @Jwend3928 ай бұрын

    Creepiest moment in cinema can be found in the 80s film Bolero.

  • @user-hi6ij1uz9k
    @user-hi6ij1uz9k8 ай бұрын

    🌕 Happy Mid-Autumn Festival!As a Chinese tradition, this festival is a time for families and loved ones to reunite under the full moon, share delicious mooncakes, and light vibrant lanterns. 🏮✨ May this special day be filled with cherished moments together, #MidAutumnFestival #UniversityofLincoln #TogetherW😊

  • @dogearflopper7011
    @dogearflopper70115 ай бұрын

    People who ascribe to Muscular Christianity need more Greyhawk Kord in their lives.

  • @blitzwinters5687
    @blitzwinters56878 ай бұрын

    Even the modern smallpox vaccine sucks. But not that badly.

  • @CynthiaMcG
    @CynthiaMcG8 ай бұрын

    Bill Hicks joked about Jim Fix. Admit it.

  • @xavmiz3070
    @xavmiz30708 ай бұрын

    Greetings from Zion, the center of Dowie's flat earth.

  • @awkwardukulele6077
    @awkwardukulele60778 ай бұрын

    This might be a dumb question, but what exactly is wrong with the weird idea about “a country exercising?” Like the whole “our country would be better if we made mandatory PE a part of our school curriculum”? I’ve seen a lot of those types of comments under videos about old timey exercise clips on Fitness KZread, and that stuff always rubbed me the wrong way, since that’s a weird sentiment to have about exercise. But, it sounds like there’s some context or history that I’m not aware of that may shed light on the problems with that mindset. If anyone has any info or source I could read to learn more about it, please let me know. I’ll try and post stuff I find I’m under hear, if I find anything myself.

  • @diggysoze2897

    @diggysoze2897

    7 ай бұрын

    I don’t know the answer to your question, but there’s only like three or four states that don’t have mandatory PE as part of the curriculum…

  • @MrGksarathy

    @MrGksarathy

    2 ай бұрын

    It sounds vaguely fascist would be my guess. That, and it's tied up with a lot of fucked up eugenics shit.

  • @SesshyLover777
    @SesshyLover7778 ай бұрын

    Well...later my great cousin used this shit to help pioneer the polio vaccine so in the end a win...??? 😬😬😬 (not at all LMAO)

  • @amymarie1298
    @amymarie12982 ай бұрын

    Eugenics ABSOLUTELY WAS very very popular prior to 1870. Do you know about Plato my good man? Very very very much a fan of Eugenics our boy Plato was! It WAS popular before the 1870s #2 when you get sick, human or animal, you stop eating BECAUSE when you're sick you lose your appetite entirely. when you get sick you don't eat because you just physically can not eat. this is absolutely not some instinct thing for the heard mentality, neither among humans or animals. I like this podcast, these 2 points are absolutely absurd. vaccines? a debatable topic. it's not one that I am sold on.

  • @cowbatboots282
    @cowbatboots2828 ай бұрын

    First!

  • @YourC0nsc1ence
    @YourC0nsc1ence8 ай бұрын

    Sorry Whilhelm. We have a new winner for most tragic bastard upbringing. It was almost divine black comedy levels of tragic childhood.

  • @MrGksarathy

    @MrGksarathy

    2 ай бұрын

    He basically lived the life of a Dickens main character.

  • @alexcarter8807
    @alexcarter88078 ай бұрын

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernarr_Macfadden