110k miles in 3 years, so thays oncluded the last 30ish months of absurd electricity prices. Lets be pessimistic about the efficiency and say that every single journey was like JP's motorway driving on this trip. 3.7miles/kwh. Pretty low for a lifetime average. 110000 / 3.7 = 29729kwh If we were pessimistic again and took the peak Ofgem cap of 34p/kwh for the whole of 2020-23 that would be about £10,129. A little under an average of 9.2p/mile. Now lets be overly optimistic and take a historically low diesel price of 112p/litre. Absurd marlet conditions created by the pandemic. To drive 110k miles at thay price a diesel car would have to acheive 12.173 miles/litre or 55.34mpg across it's lifetime. Doable. But thats not at all realistic. The Zöe probably charged overnight on something like Octopus GO so lets call that 9p/kwh (still being pessimistic). Thats now £2675 total or 2.4p/mile and the diesel would have to achieve 212mpg to match it. At absurdly low fuel prices. Total potential savings of at least £7k on energy alone.

@judebrown4103

8 ай бұрын

Exactly, we can only charge on the local rapid but we still use so much less fuel.... It either cost a third less than our petrol car or a third of the cost of petrol. I'm aware there's a big difference between those but I can't remember which it is as my wife deals with it and it's a while since we did the calculations but either way it's a lot less than we were paying. Thanks for spelling it out in the clearest of terms, I wish I was that good with figures!.👍👏

@DevAnubis

8 ай бұрын

@@judebrown4103 yeh, we can't charge at home either (terrace with double-yellows out front). We've got occasional access to a workplace AC charger at 35p and these days that's easily the cheapest option for us, and TBH of we're not going anywhere far afield it covers more than a fortnight of our local driving. DC rapids these days are around 20p/mile, 25p/mile for lower efficiency driving in winter. So relying solely on those, with no options of cheaper AC chargers, is really though financially right now. But even then, it's equivalent to about a 27 to 34 mpg for a fuel burner. How many people choose absurdly large gas guzzlers which do under 30mpg for the aesthetic...

@smartwaze4877

8 ай бұрын

But what about those who have no choice to charge at home with the luxury of a drive way and compounded with no off peak rates. Look around you up and down the country due to lack of housing stock councils and developers are building nothing but apartment blocks. Where would these people charge their cars. Taxi drivers in London around are being forced to go to EV. Again most drivers live in local authority housing or council buildings or affordable housing. These drivers which amounts to around 120,00 in London if all have to change to EV by the 2025 deadline where is the infrastructure to support them. They will have no choice but to charge at £0.77p/Kw and upwards rates. I originally advised Uber to go EV in 2015 and last week have advised them to change the deadline to at least 2030. They have agreed in principle. Current rates 77p/Kw BP Polar discounted for Uber drivers to 63p/Kw with a £7.85 per month membership charge. 2023 - 2024 Rates to Charge Home Rates £0.34p/Kw Off Peak Rates £0.09p/Kw BP Pulse Subscriber £0.69p PAYG £0.83p Contactless/Guest £0.85 British Gas Peak £0.35p/Kw Off Peak £0.09 Ecotricity (Grid serve) £0.66p/Kw Source London £0.79p/Kw PAYG PCO Drivers £0.47p/Kw with a £4.00/Month membership Residents £0.46p/Kw with a £4.00/Month Membership ( Become an Uber driver save £0.02p/Kw LOL 😂😂😂) These are slow chargers which can 10 hours to fully charge. No good for quick charging and moving on. Normally use as a top up when parking in town or near your house and walk home. Just do not overstay as will get a 4-6p/Minute charge after car is fully charged. Shell Standard £0.75p/Kw (7 - 22Kw) Rapid £0.81p/Kw (25 - 150Kw) PAYG £0.85p/Kw Ultra Rapid £0.81p/Kw (150kw Plus) Membership £7.00/Month Average Uber driver does 150 to 200 miles per day normally charging 2 times Also the time he is charging he is loosing money if doing during working shift. Daily Charge Times 2 Hours Daily Cost Lets take a Tesla Model 3 Standard Range 55Kw Range RW 200 Public Charger 55 x £0.79/Kw = £43.45 Equates to £21p/Mile So £0.21p x 110,000 Miles = £23,100 Depreciation over 3 years £27,000 Home Charger 55 x £0.34/Kw = £16.50 Equates to £9p/Mile So £0.09p x 110,000 Miles = £9,900 Depreciation over 3 years £27,000 Home Charger OP 55 x £0.09/Kw = £4.95 Equates to £2.5p/Mile So £0.09p x 110,000 Miles = £2,750 Depreciation over 3 years £27,000 Long Range 75Kw Range RW 300 Public Charger 75 x £0.79/Kw = £59.25 Equates to £20p/Mile So £0.20p x 110,000 Miles = £21,725 Depreciation over 3 years £30,000 Home Charger 75 x £0.34/Kw = £25.50 Equates to £8.5p/Mile So £0.085p x 110,000 Miles = £9,350 Depreciation over 3 years £30,000 Home Charger OP 75 x £0.09/Kw = £6.75 Equates to £2.3p/Mile So £0.023p x 110,000 Miles = £2,475 Depreciation over 3 years £30,000 Home Charger 55 x £0.34/Kw = £16.50 Equates to £9p/Mile So £0.09p x 110,000 Miles = £9,900 Depreciation over 3 years £27,000 Home Charger OP 55 x £0.09/Kw = £4.95 Equates to £2.5p/Mile So £0.09p x 110,000 Miles = £2,750 Depreciation over 3 years £27,000 Long Range 75Kw Range RW 300 Public Charger 75 x £0.79/Kw = £59.25 Equates to £20p/Mile So £0.20p x 110,000 Miles = £21,725 Depreciation over 3 years £30,000 Home Charger 75 x £0.34/Kw = £25.50 Equates to £8.5p/Mile So £0.085p x 110,000 Miles = £9,350 Depreciation over 3 years £30,000 Home Charger OP 75 x £0.09/Kw = £6.75 Equates to £2.3p/Mile So £0.023p x 110,000 Miles = £2,475 Depreciation over 3 years £30,000

@DevAnubis

8 ай бұрын

@@smartwaze4877 medium-term, anywhere that a car parks for a significant number of hours should have an AC charger. Residential on-street, parking, workplace car parks, train stations and park-and-rides. Public DC charging prices (and AC for that matter) are absolutely overpriced at the moment, even compared to the wholesale price of electricity (which is still 2x what it was before the energy crisis started at the end of 2021) Decoupling the electricity pseudo-market from the gas price, increasing renewable generation, increasing availability of chargers and increasing demand/utilisation of chargers should all contribute towards reducing pricing in the medium-term. But those require government action, reforms, and investment.

@DevAnubis

8 ай бұрын

@@smartwaze4877 and if you'd read my other comment above you'd know full well that I'm literally one of the people who can't charge from home...

You two make a brilliant double act. You'll have to try to do more of these!

Hi. Two weeks ago i flew from Aberdeen to Birmingham and then got a taxi to chipping Norton to buy a car, to avoid the Aberdeen Oil tax, i.e we pay more because we're rich for getting the oil and we get charged more for it. I did that journey with one stop at lunch for food and a pee. I'm not bragging about a diesel over an ev,i am a single parent that had to do it so my daughter wasn't upstet. It was really bad weather and t.b.h i love driving and it was stress relief for me. For your journey i would've stopped probably at Aberdeen for the night and travelled home the next day. I didn't need to refuel the car it was just a straight forward trip. I like your content even though I'm not an ev fan but you seem to show facts unlike so many other channels and doing a journey that far in such a wee underpowered car obviously is not normal, but the trip is to save money from the overcharge of our area. Sumburgh trips on a chopper has brought in many a paycheck for my family. Keep on your honest content cheers.

@JonathanPorterfield

6 ай бұрын

Hi , thanks for watching and your comments, evs are not for everyone 'right now' but the transition will continue to happen as we all adjust , really appreciate your comments 😀

Great vid. What a great buy this Zoe is!

@JonathanPorterfield

8 ай бұрын

Thanks!

Nick is one of the main reasons I am considering getting a Zoe as my next EV. JP makes great informative videos too.

@NicolasRaimo

8 ай бұрын

Great to hear

@andrewthorne6653

7 ай бұрын

Got a 24kwh leaf from JP at the end of 2019 @33k now @89k batt SOH 81% the lay out of the heating buttons on Nissan is horrible, the Zoe has a nice simple layout wish I had got one instead.

'Double turtle' was a new one for me 😂...great episode and great collab!

@JonathanPorterfield

8 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

JP, I have found this so educational. I love the collaborations you've been doing and the double turtle still has me laughing 😂 Cant wait to see this Zoe in the flesh. 😁 She's had an amazing trip from 'Doon Sooth' up north. 👌👏

Loving the little mini series of rhe zoe, with the stops to see friends (special guests)

Really good video this one, Nick seems much more jovial and relaxed than he sometimes does in his own, some good working chemistry there. 👍

@NicolasRaimo

8 ай бұрын

Its hard to have real banter with yourself 😛 JP is a good laugh and great fun to spend time with

Great video. As a ZE50 owner myself it would be interesting if you could check the service record to see whether it has required any replacement parts? Obviously tyres and cabin filter, but anything else?

Thoroughly enjoyed this video. The great rapour between the two of you is evident. These videos are so natural. Is this Zoe still going strong?

@JonathanPorterfield

3 ай бұрын

Thanks Paul 👍 yes zoe is going great at 114,000 miles , today at 100% charged it was showing 196 miles range 👍

Oh that was fun, you two are hilarious when you get together...double turtle😂. Dont know what young Nick was talking about with his "Bluey" meaning a Blue film, I'm sixty-five and I've never heard of it either! Great blog, loved it, see you tomorrow, safe journey.👍

@JonathanPorterfield

8 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

Jonathan is the real EV legend!

@JonathanPorterfield

8 ай бұрын

Ill send the Chq in the post .....

Zoe 50kw 100% a fantastic car, especially with prices for 2/3 yr old hitting low prices. Dealers make money. Showrooms don't build themselves. Big fan having bought my original Zoe from Eco cars 👍

It’s good to see Nick again, he knows his Zoe’s alright.

Excellent. You guys brought the best out of each other on this one :)

@JonathanPorterfield

8 ай бұрын

Thank you , we had a good laugh 😃

Great vid, enjoyed the chat with Nick.

@JonathanPorterfield

8 ай бұрын

It was good to catch up on my way 'up t north'

Thanks Jonathan. Yes, it has been interesting and very useful.!

Leaf feels more like a better shape of car for normal use to me. Best thing about the Leaf 1 is now the price though. If you can live with 50 miles of range for daily commuting, it's a bargain now. I've got nice heated seats, heated steering wheel, 360 parking cameras, and good LED headlights in a car that cost less than £5k. Battery SOH is 82% @ 80,000 miles. Nowhere near as good as that Zoe, but sometimes you need comfort and features as well as range. To get a Zoe with better range and no battery lease, you would need to spend £2k more than what I paid for the Leaf.

@JonathanPorterfield

7 ай бұрын

Good points ( i secretly still love the leaf for the reasons you state 👍 😀)

@decimal1815

7 ай бұрын

@@JonathanPorterfield having said that, I'd happily trade batteries with the Zoe 40kWh 😂

EV who?

You need to catch up with the EV community more often, these in car clips are brilliant. I can settle your Leaf/Zoe argument with the classic 28kWh Ioniq, flat 60kw charging to 80% and thermal management with incredible efficiency.

@JonathanPorterfield

8 ай бұрын

Love the # windknife 👍👍

@davidsworld5837

8 ай бұрын

the Ioniq is better than a leaf easy and a zoe too. low ins level. good 5 plus effieciency. its easy the best ev there is.

I've watched nick for ages too, great episode. loved the banter and agree zoe verses leaf- i have had 13 EVs and 3 oes but never had a leaf- one benfot of leaf is vehicle to grid or vehicle to load and thats why I would get one

I took a ZE 50 for a test drive about a year ago and found it a bit wandery as well.Not sure what the tyres were but the older Zoes had Michelin EV. They needed higher pressures to stop the edges wearing.In wintery conditions I found them not good with very low grip levels.I changed them for winter Nokians,but maybe an all weather tyre might work on the ZE50.

I'd seriously let a couple of psi out of those fronts Jonathan. Your tyres will last longer and grip better sacrificing a little bit of economy for safety imo.

🤣🤣🤣7:21 EXACTLY ! 🤣🤣🤣👏♥

Enjoying this series of vlogs mate 👍

@JonathanPorterfield

8 ай бұрын

Thanks Nigel 👍 thrown together, but folk are enjoying them 😀

@EVPuzzle

8 ай бұрын

@@JonathanPorterfield I've definitely found these easy to watch , which makes me think more about video style. Simple , less editing etc Incites into daily life are interesting or maybe that's just us nerds 🤣

Hi Jonathan, I've always driven my EV's like a "normal" car, if you don't whats the point? Keep up the good work.

@JonathanPorterfield

8 ай бұрын

Thank you 😊

love andrew and love his wife she is comical

To some degree you could forgive the first gen leaf for battery degradation as they were early adopters , by the second gen they knew there was a problem and needed cooling/heating and still chose not to put one in . Stupid choice 2 was sticking with chademo

@JonathanPorterfield

8 ай бұрын

Yup 👍

@rogershipway129

8 ай бұрын

At present Chademo is no problem for me. If suppliers stop putting them on chargers, then it maybe? The BIG advantage is V2G , and V2H .

Noted your comment about pumping the tyres up to 40psi, this is something that has been discussed on the Nissan Leaf FB group. I'm definitely not in favour of doing it because the single pro of slightly reducing rolling resistance is offset by multiple cons, namely increased ride harshness, reduced grip for braking and cornering, accelerated wear in the centre of the tyre tread, the other thing to consider is if the tyre pressures are set when cold they will increase when driving for a while particularly at high speed, checking the TPMS usually shows an increase of 2-3psi after half an hours driving so your 40psi could well become 43psi. For that reason I always stick to the Nissan recommended 36psi all round as on a long run it will likely increase to 38psi. I don't think all the downsides are worth maybe 3-4 miles extra on the range.

@paulprosser1289

8 ай бұрын

You miss the point. Being a heavier car, running the fronts lower than 38 psi causes increased shoulder wear i.e only the shoulders are in contact with the road surface giving lower adhesion and understeer. I run 40 to 42 psi in the fronts and 38 psi in the rears and get even wear across the tread and with Michelin Pilot Sport 5 s excellent grip and road feel.

I own both a diesel and an EV. I can say with confidence long journeys (a monthly 600 mile round trip) are much cheaper and less hassle in a diesel (900 miles a full tank) than an EV Nissan leaf using public charging plus I only need to stop for a quick piddle. Enjoyable vid though.

my zoe had issue with a eco tricity when working away from home, was at a renault dealer and they couldnt fix it, red light and charging impossible warning

Another uneventful EV trip, you'll never get in the papers. Look forward to the next video, safe travels.

Interesting chat. You guys didn't mention Zoe battery leases which is a big factor in buying one. maybe not the leggy one you bought. I have a video that might interest you coming next week ref used EV ;)

@JonathanPorterfield

8 ай бұрын

No battery leases on the ZE 50 😊 i was never a fan of the leased battery , and as Renault have dropped it now , i guess they saw no need for it too 😉

@chargeheadsuk

8 ай бұрын

@@JonathanPorterfield tis true however i thought you were comoaring to older leaf. No matter. 22kwh Zoe are certainly cheap now £4k upwards however EV's are still dropping

Thatcham tell you exactly why the insurance is expensive in their report , I do think greedy manufacturers are also to blame which wasn't in the report .

i used to commute weekly Cornwall to london in a 2017 zoe 40 and would pull up at charger with 0%

Surely if people were driving less during covid lockdowns there would have been fewer accidents and fewer pay-outs.

Should be around 27,500 kWh, shouldn't it?

Jonathan have you tried a Lenor bottle? 83 washes bottle should do the job 🙏🏼👍🏼🚽

Only thing worries me about the Zoe is the terrible crash test data on it

i think i have run out 3 or 4 times. a few times due to dodgy chargers- in 2012 i knocked on a few doors and plugged into.a granny lead

Hi, Jonathan how is the battery capacity -SOH? May you please, share the percentage?

@davidspencer7254

7 ай бұрын

89%

It could have been a driving instructor vehicle. Because I've been instructing in Evs for 12 years

Wow. You can turn off the lane control? That’s the most annoying feature.

Nick's wife will be known as EV Don't Care. Wives have more sense. 😂

Is it just me or is the sound terrible at the start?

But what about those who have no choice to charge at home with the luxury of a drive way and compounded with no off peak rates. Look around you up and down the country due to lack of housing stock councils and developers are building nothing but apartment blocks. Where would these people charge their cars. Taxi drivers in London around are being forced to go to EV. Again most drivers live in local authority housing or council buildings or affordable housing. These drivers which amounts to around 120,00 in London if all have to change to EV by the 2025 deadline where is the infrastructure to support them. They will have no choice but to charge at £0.77p/Kw and upwards rates. I originally advised Uber to go EV in 2015 and last week have advised them to change the deadline to at least 2030. They have agreed in principle. Current rates 77p/Kw BP Polar discounted for Uber drivers to 63p/Kw with a £7.85 per month membership charge. 2023 - 2024 Rates to Charge Home Rates £0.34p/Kw Off Peak Rates £0.09p/Kw BP Pulse Subscriber £0.69p PAYG £0.83p Contactless/Guest £0.85 British Gas Peak £0.35p/Kw Off Peak £0.09 Ecotricity (Grid serve) £0.66p/Kw Source London £0.79p/Kw PAYG PCO Drivers £0.47p/Kw with a £4.00/Month membership Residents £0.46p/Kw with a £4.00/Month Membership ( Become an Uber driver save £0.02p/Kw LOL 😂😂😂) These are slow chargers which can 10 hours to fully charge. No good for quick charging and moving on. Normally use as a top up when parking in town or near your house and walk home. Just do not overstay as will get a 4-6p/Minute charge after car is fully charged. Shell Standard £0.75p/Kw (7 - 22Kw) Rapid £0.81p/Kw (25 - 150Kw) PAYG £0.85p/Kw Ultra Rapid £0.81p/Kw (150kw Plus) Membership £7.00/Month Average Uber driver does 150 to 200 miles per day normally charging 2 times Also the time he is charging he is loosing money if doing during working shift. Daily Charge Times 2 Hours Daily Cost Lets take a Tesla Model 3 Standard Range 55Kw Range RW 200 Public Charger 55 x £0.79/Kw = £43.45 Equates to £21p/Mile So £0.21p x 110,000 Miles = £23,100 Depreciation over 3 years £27,000 Home Charger 55 x £0.34/Kw = £16.50 Equates to £9p/Mile So £0.09p x 110,000 Miles = £9,900 Depreciation over 3 years £27,000 Home Charger OP 55 x £0.09/Kw = £4.95 Equates to £2.5p/Mile So £0.09p x 110,000 Miles = £2,750 Depreciation over 3 years £27,000 Long Range 75Kw Range RW 300 Public Charger 75 x £0.79/Kw = £59.25 Equates to £20p/Mile So £0.20p x 110,000 Miles = £21,725 Depreciation over 3 years £30,000 Home Charger 75 x £0.34/Kw = £25.50 Equates to £8.5p/Mile So £0.085p x 110,000 Miles = £9,350 Depreciation over 3 years £30,000 Home Charger OP 75 x £0.09/Kw = £6.75 Equates to £2.3p/Mile So £0.023p x 110,000 Miles = £2,475 Depreciation over 3 years £30,000 Home Charger 55 x £0.34/Kw = £16.50 Equates to £9p/Mile So £0.09p x 110,000 Miles = £9,900 Depreciation over 3 years £27,000 Home Charger OP 55 x £0.09/Kw = £4.95 Equates to £2.5p/Mile So £0.09p x 110,000 Miles = £2,750 Depreciation over 3 years £27,000 Long Range 75Kw Range RW 300 Public Charger 75 x £0.79/Kw = £59.25 Equates to £20p/Mile So £0.20p x 110,000 Miles = £21,725 Depreciation over 3 years £30,000 Home Charger 75 x £0.34/Kw = £25.50 Equates to £8.5p/Mile So £0.085p x 110,000 Miles = £9,350 Depreciation over 3 years £30,000 Home Charger OP 75 x £0.09/Kw = £6.75 Equates to £2.3p/Mile So £0.023p x 110,000 Miles = £2,475 Depreciation over 3 years £30,000

@davidspencer7254

7 ай бұрын

Sorry my eyes glazed over.

Nick is right. !!!! the Zoe is a far better car than a Leaf. Now if you want some thing more a Zoe is better than a Rubbish Taycan. far better effieciency in a zoe. and the MacMaster Just proves this fact. who is afraid that if the people see other cars can do long trips, cheaper, than a Taycan can. and that picking site with more than 2 chargers means you could more easy charge and do it faster. at 21 minutes it is more funny. I am driving like a stole it but there is too much air in the tyres. POOR Mr Till is nothing, he has zero control or live with his wife she is a complete bully. to the point she made him cry.

Can’t believe he brought up that yan bang queer

Isn't that like saying stamp on the foot or a slapped face. Neither are attractive. The leaf is a stupid name

Wake up call... EVs are NOT cool.

@davidspencer7254

7 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

Absolute rubbish.!

@JonathanPorterfield

2 ай бұрын

Yes , we are 🤣🤣🤣