I hope you enjoy this part 1. PLEASE SUBSCRIBE and like this video. It's important that you support this type of effort so i know you want to see more of this !

@mounirehab

Жыл бұрын

Very good job my friend, thanks for your effort...

I attended the high-end section CES at the Alexia Park in 2004 -- when Alon introduced his mini-monitor speaker. I must have visited his room five or six times over the three days I was there. For me, it was both a revelation and a show-stopper, and I have never forgotten that wonderful experience. Some day, if the stars align, I would like to own the M2s.

Was happy to see a pair of V2. I own serial number 1 and 2!

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

Nice

That point about "AIR" you should make a clip just of that. It totally makes sense. I was not expecting how they use copper. Anyways great video.

Extremely fascinating and enjoyable. I'm very much looking forward to the next segment Jay.

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Tony

Nice to know the beginning of Magico...

thank you jay for the tour we realy enjoyed it ,looking forward for the next .....

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

Been subbed to you back when you had less than 5k subs - By far the most interesting video you have put out. It is things like this and your shootout videos is why I subscribe and everyone else should as well. Thank You Jay.

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for being part of my journey. I appreciate it

Nice to know about the Magico internal structure.

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

Yup 👍

I'm surprised neither Jay or Alon mentioned the A5's new Mundorf M-Resist Ultra foil resistors. That is the first applicaton of the new resistors in any loudspeaker in the world

Nice series you’ve got here my man! I really enjoyed. Very informative.

Wow very interesting interview, well done and enjoyed it a lot.

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

Much appreciated 👍

Awesome! Very informative. Best video yet…

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Joe

Awesome interview Jay, was worth waiting for this video.

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

Thank you and part 2 will be better !

Interesting tour. Between the time I had the analytical tools as a freshman in engineering school and the time I used them to understand how woofer/enclosure systems works mechanically was 25 years. The model explains all of them regardless of type. The two tools that are useful is what is called Newton's second law of motion applied to forced oscillation (physics) and the ideal gas laws (chemistry.) The reason it interested me was because I wanted to understand how Edgar Villchur's acoustic suspension principle worked and why it was so successful producing deep bass without distortion from a small enclosure. Villchur himself was not an engineer and never fully understood it. It could have been called a pneumatic suspension. Newton's second law used this way is useful for many applications such as explaining how the suspension of a car works. The three factors that matter are the moving mass, the spring constant, and the damping factor. Most speakers today use light moving mass woofers, rely on the speaker's inner suspension the spider and outer suspension for both the spring constant and damping and also for the same function a port of some kind. This results in bass that is highly variable, usually has a significant peak at its port tuning frequency and falls off rapidly at 24 db per octave below that frequency which is effectively its lower usable limit. At some frequencies the air moves through the port easily creating no back air pressure on the cone. At other frequencies it is very difficult to push air through it creating a lot of back pressure. Turbulent air flow at the inlet and outlet of the port creates the chuffing sound typical of ported designs. To mitigate that the port is often flared to smooth the transition from high pressure inside the port to low pressure outside. The acoustic suspension principle relies on a heavy higher mass cone, the difference in air pressure between the inside and outside of the enclosure provides most of the spring constant (the restoring force to the cone) which is independent of frequency. The secret I came to understand was the damping factor. I guessed it and the first time I removed the woofer of an AR2a I knew I was right. It was filled with fiberglass or mineral wool or some similar fibrous material. It's not for absorbing cabinet vibrations, it's there to create an aerodynamic drag by making the woofer work to push and pull air between the fibers. The aggregate surface area of the fibers is enormous. The friction is lost as heat for the same reason the space shuttle heats up reentering the earth's atmosphere. The damping force is directly proportional to the velocity of air independent of frequency. So mass, damping factor, and spring force are independent of frequency. That means the resonant frequency F3 and resonant magnification Q can be adjusted to whatever you want it to be. Unlike other designs they are independent of frequency and amplitude within their range of operation. The price for low F3 and low Q is low efficiency. When the damping factor is adjusted to 0.707 you reach critical damping, the lowest F3 without a resonance peak. Above 0.707 you get a peak in the frequency response. Below 0.707 you get a faster rolloff below F3. This design was so successful it became the reference standard for bass reproduction in the 1960s. Medical schools used it to teach students heartbeat sounds. At critical damping FR falls off at an equalizable rate of 12 db per octave so within its power handling capacity so the FR can be extended downward.. My guess is that this is the secret sauce that makes the Magico speaker able to produce such deep bass.

@sevestan

Жыл бұрын

I agree

@audiohertz2341

Жыл бұрын

Magico speakers are not deep bass producers because they are sealed and while you have a very strong back ground from the science side the practical side is very lacking. Sealed enclosures give up sensitivity vs vented and has more distortion in the bass vs their vented counterparts , the trap air adds ( spring ) mass , this kills transient speed which is also obvious when listening, when port tuning by design you can easily have your port cut off tuned to the lowest frequency extreme for maximum bandwidth especially with multiple bass drivers. Magico is using 3 woofers typically to produce the same dynamic output of A single bass reflex driver . Doubling of driver surface area increases sensitivity and lowers thd , if you were to compare a properly designed vented multi driver enclosure it gives up nothing To a sealed enclosure ..! As to Jays setup he sits against the rear wall were the bass is loaded up in chairs that cup his ears , he is having a positive situation due to his combination and improved setup knowledge , his set up will not necessarily produce this same result in another room setup situation or a chair with distance from the rear wall etc .. Regards

@ddzarafonetis1831

Жыл бұрын

One of your better videos,congrats....how about a Wilson tour?

@markfischer3626

Жыл бұрын

@@audiohertz2341 I try to never argue with audiophiles. They know much more than I do including those who become manufacturers and the arguments often wind up in flame wars. I attribute this to their passion for their equipment where to me these are just machines. I save my real arguments for people who deal with something that matters to me, physicists. They are finally coming to the same conclusion I came to nearly 50 years ago, they don't know anything. Small wonder every one I ever knew of or met including my college roommate for 2 years is crazy. All those equations tell you what will happen but not how. Less than 10 years out of school when I realized ultimately I didn't understand how anything works at the quantum level. It was no comfort to realize neither did anyone else.

@markfischer3626

Жыл бұрын

@@ddzarafonetis1831 Did you notice how the owner took a swipe at Wilson when he talked about all the diffraction with all those boxes that move around?

As good as they look on the outside there is so much more going on inside. I can understand why they cost so much. I love hearing stories about how people start from their garage with essentially a hobby and they’re able to turn it into a successful enterprise. 💪👊👍Thanks for giving us an inside look

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

My pleasure

Great video Jay. Really enjoyed hearing about the brand. I've heard a number of Magico speakers, but only at shows and they were never good but I chalk this up to improper setup. Someday I hope to hear them with Boulder like you are doing now. I really appreciate all your efforts. You rock.

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Warren !

Good job Jay - much appreciated. Something we rarely get to see.

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

Very interesting, I'm waiting for part 2

Learned and reconfirmed my understanding of speaker design. Very good video J

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

That 15 inch sub is the most intimidating thing I’ve seen since Mike Tyson. The point about “air” is spot on!!! I always thought so…but great to hear from an expert in the field

Congratulations ... Very important video, waiting for part 2 ...

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

Coming soon

Great content and keep up the good work.

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

Awesome stuff Jay, thanks .

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

As always Jay thanks for sharing. Great video. We have to give your wife a big shoutout for her support on this video.

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

Thanks. I'll let her know

It took four years to develop the tweeter, craftsmanship second to none…what a great insight into Magico Speakers. Would be interested to learn what Alan recommends in terms of source and amplification synergy since so much work goes into the design development. Lovely video Jay!

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

Thanks 👍

Good video Jay! it was worth the trip there!

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

Thanks

Liked and subscribed. Thank you for this.

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

Thanks

Amazing Built Quality

Awesome, Jay.

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

Thanks for the video.

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Jose

Added air to recordings to recreate a sense of space ( microphone phenom ) is an artifact of recordings very necessary to recreate the illusion of being there, if it is in the recording you should be able to hear it from your speakers. Regards

@Luke-vu1wm

Жыл бұрын

Alon is talking about hearing artifacts that are not part of the recording/mixing. Ambient noise (space) is typically in the mid-hundreds frqs. Not the highs (tweeters).

Good video!

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

Thanks 👍

Interesting to listen the founder about the airy mechanical sound of the LP....

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

Yep 👍

well done

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Carlos

Pt 2 please it’s the weekend. Lol

I met Alon when he was a young boy in Weston, Fla. I actually knew his father Zev (RIP) To see where he's come is astounding. He's related to my closest friend. Small world!

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

Interesting!

Count me as a Magico fan. Have the Mini II. It’s spectacular

@dmptcb

Жыл бұрын

Too bad magnepan is a better speaker

Those copper gaskets remind me of crush washers on an oil filter.

Don't forget to pay a visit to Paul Klipsch sacred factory amd museum at Hope Arkansas, birthplace of the definitive speaker systems in the world eg Klipschorn, La Scala, Belle, Heresy, Cornwall, Forte, Jubilee and Palladiums.

Good work, thanks a lot Jay.

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

That guy is cool looking!!

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

😀

Whats up with bad image quality from 12:57??? Thanks anyway for interesting content. :)

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

Camera issues but part 2 will come out swinging

I would love to have 3 M9's in a Left, Center and Right "LCR" with a 240" Retracting Acoustic transparent screen.

Auditioned M2's, ordered 20.7s 👌

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

Not sure what your point is but congrats

@CarlVanDoren61

Жыл бұрын

@@jaysaudiolab played monica: "so gone" crackle w/ bass, M2's awful. 20.7s flawless

you need to upgrade the video camera, 1080p looks like 720p/480, maybe increasing the bit rate will help....

Great video ! Beside of "air" .. If is recorded ( you can try with a very good headphones ), and not heard thru system - it's a problem . If is not recorded and you heard - it's another problem .. Is not all link to noise of tweeters ," air" can be recorded . Of course he have right to tell us how ( what ) discover , it's a great speakers manufacturer ! BR

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

👍

@Luke-vu1wm

Жыл бұрын

He is talking about hearing artifacts that are not in the recording. Ambient noise (space) is typically in the mid-hundreds frqs. Not the highs (tweeters).

@perfectsoundpursuit007

Жыл бұрын

@@Luke-vu1wm of course. But he mention like air is a noise from tweeter, anyway not matter. BR

So, the way I see it the web is filled with nasty politics, or Jay's Audio Lab...I'll take Jay's Audio Lab and these great videos anyday!!!

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

@Not My Fault, You Asked For It thanks

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

Thanks

So the 700 pound sub goes to 18Hz. Yeah, so as Devialet little boombox which weighs some 10 kilo ;)

Good interview with the designer. Thanks. Btw, you owned the M6 before, why bother with the Q7 now?

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

To try everything

Next please.

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

👍

You are giving us extreme high end... But your camera work is extreme low end...!

Very interesting part when he mentioned that sense of air is noise. That also made me doubt if the B&W 801 d4 speaker is really a close alternative to the lower end models of Magico, because of the motor basically is being put in a aluminum tube which most likely dramatized the noise a lot more,; creating more air.

@audiohertz2341

Жыл бұрын

Only a poorly designed vented enclosure suffers from port chuffing , this is due to commercial compromises in the design with the cabinet to port size ratios ..! Regards

@mrhd5831

Жыл бұрын

@@audiohertz2341All ports will eventfully chuff, no matter how "good" the design is. The best port design is a sealed design 😉

When is episode 2?

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

In a few days

Jay I love you and your videos. But please buy better fitting jeans 😅. Seriously though, you give us a very cool behind the scene view and great information 🙏

I added air to my tires, once...it recreated a sense of space.

21:30 "There is no "air" to hear", very interesting.

That 1/2 inch aluminum!!!

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

I know !

@quant2011

Жыл бұрын

Titanium or cast iron are stiffer. See Youngs Modulus

Part two soon?

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

Tomorrow

Why don't recording studios use MAGICO loudspeakers? Also I find ,they never seem to shine at hifi shows ?Odd really, they should sound amazing. Sealed box, maybe? Need a lot of power?

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

Not sure why

Shows that technology is so killa ,n that my square speakers of every model are so out of date , bye bye wooden boxes

@dmptcb

Жыл бұрын

U are half correct the box is gone and all u need is American made magnepan speakers the only speakers u need and u don’t have to sit in the middle to get the best sitting position

If I was a rich man....la la la la la la!

Obviously Body Builder 🙂

Jay, you need to step up your visual but otherwise, good stuff.

There you have it. There will be no S7Mk2.

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

I know 😭

@brodricj3023

Жыл бұрын

@@jaysaudiolab For S7 owners I see that as a positive, for 2 reasons. There is nothing Magico can do to make S7 significantly better, and if a Mk2 came out the resale value of Mk1 would be diminished. It's a win-win for S7 owners.

this is an office tour or store tour ,not a factory tour ,show us their production line ,like the Focal factory...

I heard the A3 and A5 - the A5 was awful. Maybe the electronics was not a good match but I felt like it was very fatiguing.

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

System matching

Aluminum is for manufacturing aircraft & tin foil. Regardless of price, speakers are only as good as they sound, so let's hear them...less talk & more rock. Diffraction theory needs proof.

//long but please read// I call for 1on1 battle with a polish brand ZetaZero orbital Ref. which can play down to 12Hz (due to woofer xmax of 100mm! yes, not ten, one hundred mm) and can take 2,500W per channel and has omni ribbon build with insane materials (not your typical RAAL). Beat that, Magicians ;) Jay, do a "discussion" panel with both designers for 1 hour - and we will see who put more technical work into each design. Let them fight with audio engineering arguments. This will be the battle of the titans!

nice but not a factory tour... a showroom tour

Jay can you please upgrade your camera and audio setup? These videos are just terrible in terms of quality. I appreciate you giving us a look into magico... but please give us better quality so we aren't cringing at artifacts.

I like Jay, but this camera man isn't good.

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

I'll let her know 😂

@gigi4747

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! maybe you can give me some tips for next time 👍

@darendee5682

Жыл бұрын

@@gigi4747 First my apology, I mean no disrespect. It's coming from a place of passion. I love my audio, and Jays KZread channel. He's very articulate and funny...Especially when he wanted to lift that Gryphon amplifier 😯. I'm a former DJ and record producer and one of the pioneers of Hip Hop. But we all know a DJ system is much different than a home audio system. Sorry I'm telling my age now. But anyway, when I'm watching these videos when components are part of. I want to see the product. It just seemed like in the beginning you were very apprehensive to pan down on the sub-woofer. I kept saying go down go down further. We can always hear the conversation even if you pan down to the product. Personally, I wanted to see the size of that beast next to the human body. Like when Jay was showing us that huge Gryphon amp. But anyway, it's just my opinion. One ❤

@gigi4747

Жыл бұрын

@@darendee5682 apology accepted, 😂 Oh! you will see plenty of panning on all components on the next part! I shot a lot of content so it's hard to get it all in one video - The best is yet to come 😉 stay tuned!

Mask, poor 🐏

Undoubtedly the worst intro music I have ever heard nearly turned it off except muted the volume till I saw people speaking

@jaysaudiolab

Жыл бұрын

It was ME who made the decision to choose that song. YES - I AM YOUNG and love upbeat music. I don't spend my night listening to audiophile music. Audiophile music does NOTHING for my heart. It's simply a tool i use to evaluate components. I think of it as a test tone to see if a driver is working.