can you show us how to tuning PID

we all need a good instructional vid just like this showing what to do when/if something goes bad. from a pack puffings up to what you should have near your charger to hell put it out. I've looked before and nobody has done a "what you should do" or " what you should have " style video, just loads of packs setting on fire and shakey camera footage of people's panic. great series guys! the top gear of quads!!

Make a PID tuning video, BUT, make it the best there is! It can't be shorter then an hour.

@PhilippePellissier

8 жыл бұрын

Yes also we need a pid setup

@TheXenoMaster

8 жыл бұрын

+bauke-jan fenestra I agree a PID video would be great but an hour is just way too long

@gryffincook7625

8 жыл бұрын

+bauke-jan feenstra I am guessing it involves some form of magic

@djbis

8 жыл бұрын

I fear this topic. I am horrible with math. Do you know what P. I. D. stands for???? :(

@baukejan9832

8 жыл бұрын

proportional-integral-derivative

Awesome video guys (you made my lunch break!), keep them coming. Still waiting (patiently) for a Mr. Steele LOS PID tuning video, or maybe a series of videos on how each Rotor Riot Pilot tunes their PIDs Thanks again for both comedy and information (I could watch you guys all day)

Thanks for this video guys, helpful as usual. I actually just started parallel charging too, as well as asking for a parallel charging video, so thanks!

Big one - how do you tune PIDs and choose rates & expos?

Hey thanks very much for what you guys do, this really helps put some context and perspective to what we are all reading on forums.

You guys do a killer job together!! Please keep up the great work/videos.

I've been really enjoying your videos -- many thanks. I would be really interested in seeing a future video going over an idle up switch for the Taranis / Kiss FC that Chad has talked about on a couple of occasions. Thanks again, and looking forward to seeing more videos!

Thanks for posting this very insightful video guys!

I'd make a point to plug in the paraboard into the charger first, before plugging the batteries into it. That way there's no chance of the exposed banana plugs shorting.

That was very good guy, nice one👍 PID tuning series from you guys would be mega..

I would love to see the guys do challenges against each other including the swede! :D no matter what, just flying being fun to watch!

Thanks a lot for the video guys! Put my order in for a 1200W supply and icharger 406Duo. Glad I watched this and Steele's video on charging gear. Almost went with a pos SkyRc B6AC V2. Found out that won't do exactly what I want. Rather buy for what I want and need instead of buying a second time later.

I think I speak for alot of people when I say that a video addressing PID:s and what too look for especially in fpv racing and freestyle would be very appreciated! Nice video by the way :)

Love the look and editing!

Awesome. I've been charging parallel a while and had no idea of the 0.2voltage thing. Glad I do now...

if you have batts with different voltages can you do a group discharge and then recharge all on balance charge?

This was a handy coincident as I just bought a parallel charger. nice work guys

Man you guys are awesome, you inspired me to spend $1900 on some amazing equipment and now I am absolutely loving it. Keep doing what you're doing cause you're doing it RIGHT

Good information as always thank you guys.

A Hitec 4X is an awesome charger with built in AC 200 watts under $200. Avoid all the complex voltage matching for parallel charging packs in series, and get a couple high quality computer controlled multi-chargers and you can balance charge multiple packs at the same time. Two $200 4X chargers are more logical and safer than one charger trying to parallel charge cells built in series. Li-pol cell internal resistance variances are far too risky when parallel charging cell packs in series.

@x-flight1015

7 жыл бұрын

MIA Micro-FLIGHT this is a good point, or you could buy that charger and parallel charger multiple batteries from every 4 ports haha.

pid settings would be a really helpful video. im quite new to race quads and mine is set up fairly tame but would like some ideas to make it more aggresive for flips and rolls. thanks guys

Hey guys thanks for all the videos I'm new to quads and I'm having a blast! I was wondering though how/where can I get my hands on some Rotor Riot stickers?

This was super helpful!

Another helpful video thanks guys. Could you please please please do a video on the setting for the HS1177 cam......keep up the great work....

Thanks for the great video, parallel charging is such a benefit and contrary to some people's beliefs it does balance cells too. You should look at the 'Bump Controller' from Revolectrix. RFID tags on batteries and it handles all the math for charging singularly or parallel and keeps track of cycles, IR etc to help detect bad packs. After using it I am sold, and at the risk of sounding like a evangelist, it is the future of charging.

Great episode guys !

Thats a nice explanation, thank you. I was toying with the idea of asking for that and also how do you guys travel (drive and fly) with your LiPos?

There's David Windestal. I miss your presence on Flite Test.

Gents FMA Direct Powerlabs charge in parallel and every cell gets monitored and balanced. Hence the same cell count packs at various states of charge are ok together... just takes more time for full balance. Just another option. Great info...Thanks.

Guys, can you do the diffetential of Freestyle PID and Race PID?

@MrTheguywiththemoney

8 жыл бұрын

+1

@brandonsullivan9709

8 жыл бұрын

+1

@Captainhaha1017

8 жыл бұрын

+1

@wesleyhoward9573

8 жыл бұрын

+1

@alexandrucovaliov8989

8 жыл бұрын

+1

Great video guys. Any chance of a PID tuning video?

Question about the power supply the the product description of the icharger is 10 to 30 volts dc so how do you convert watts to volts. I have a random 2000 watt psu of a pc and i was thinking of using it but idk if that would be too much current for the device

I need some help with this. I just want a charger that I can use without joking it to a12 volt battery or building a power supply out of a PC part. does this exist?

Some great tips there . Stabbing bad batteries seems to be a very effective way of discharging them quickly. Good technique too. B-) lighten up Steele. Have a little fun.

Aaaaaaaaand THIS is how you run a KZread channel the RIGHT way! I know for a fact these guys read their comments because they also comment on the videos. Also, they ACTUALLY LISTEN to their fan base! Stuff like this is why this channel and Flitetest are successful, in my opinion. Great job guys! Keep up the great work and videos! Tip of the hat to Chad Kapper. Seems like whatever he touches becomes KZread gold!

@FinalGlideAus

8 жыл бұрын

+Raycefan Thanks mate, we are trying our hardest. After all we can only succeed because of you guys.

Lol, I said diode. I meant resistor :)

@bennetttomlinson710

8 жыл бұрын

What connectors are you using to plug the icharger into the power supply? Just got the same setup.

@FinalGlideAus

8 жыл бұрын

+Bennett Tomlinson I just used the cable that came with the iCharger and soldered the lead to the back of the PSU

@bennetttomlinson710

8 жыл бұрын

+FinalGlideAus Got it. Many thanks.

@1dirtovalracer

6 жыл бұрын

FinalGlideAus What kind of diode does it use and where can I find one?

I would love to see an episode on learning expert mode (no self level) I'm currently flying in sport mode which still utilizes auto level but I want to take the next step and start learning how to fly without it, bit I don't k ow where to start....love the show , keep the episodes coming!

So im farely new to lipos I have the icharger 106b+ I have been charging my nanotech 7.4v 950mah 2s battery together at .90a its been taking about 2 hours to charge, after watching this I realized I wasnt adding the mah together. So my question could i charge 4 of the nano techs at 3.8a? when adding the mah together thanks for the help.

PARALLEL CHARGING TIP: Before charging , connect your packs to the parallel board and allow them to sit for a bit. This will equalize the cells overall, making them close to equal state of charge before charging. The lower state cells will draw current from the higher state cells until they are equal. This way you do not end up with a pack that has undercharged. You still do not want to do this with packs at a significantly different state of charge, as high currents can flow from one pack to the other.

@StacemanFPV

8 жыл бұрын

+ArionRaine Ohm's law!

@johnahamelv

7 жыл бұрын

How long is "allow them to sit for a bit"? 10 seconds? 1 minute? 2 minutes?

@StacemanFPV

7 жыл бұрын

John Hamel I wait a minute

@stupidshethead420

6 жыл бұрын

Thats an interesting point, I tell everyone NOT to charge this way just because of a possible partially unbalanced cell in the chain.

@michaelmcmenzie6928

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you someone who knows what they're talking about

Thanks for the video. How low (voltage) do you let your batteries get during a flight?What is your average flight time with a 1300?

finally i think i get it! thanks guys!

Thanks for a good show guys! I like my iCharger 406 alot and wanted to say that it accept an DC input voltage of 10 all the way to 30 V. I parallel-charge my car-lipos, it feels like a good way. Better to charge two batteries at 1C for one hour than charge them at 2C for 2 x 30 minutes if charged separately at the same total time.

@krtf4ucorsair

8 жыл бұрын

Yeah my Hyperion charger comes up with weird errors at 12 volts that disappear at 14 volts. So a pure 12 volts isn't written in stone. A car battery is actually around 14 volts so if that were true you couldn't charge your batteries from a car.

@Nisse977

8 жыл бұрын

+Kurtis Towery Hi! I do not really understand what you are trying to say, but I have tried 12v on my 406 with no problems, and I was only talking about what DC input the iCharger 406 can handle, no other models or brands, thanks :)

@krtf4ucorsair

8 жыл бұрын

I'm just saying you don't particularly have to have strictly 12 volts.

@Nisse977

8 жыл бұрын

Yepp thats the same thing I am saying (10-30V is ok for my charger) :)

Haha "I love singular sleeps". Very helpful video. Thanks guys.

Great vid!

Can you guys do a video about PID tuning to get the best performance out of your quad? Could you also try to explain it as simply as possible so a newbie like me can understand. Love your show, Owen

So for 4s Lipos overall voltage difference would be maximum 0.8V to be safe to charge them together ?

Is it okey to parallel charge 2200 Mah 3s with 1500 Mah 3s together. Because i have 4 batteries right now two of them 2200 and 2 of them 1500. I mostly charge at 1C.

"Lower voltages here, higher voltages there (5:20) - Brilliant. I use a 306b and find myself having to do two separate charging sessions to take care of batteries were are at different charging states. Clever.

Is there any way to prepare the batteries for parrarell charging ? To make the voltage even? Storage charging ?

Would you recommend parallel charge 1300 and 1500? What should be the charging amperage?

is there an updated link to how to setup the HP power supply. The link posted is dead.

hey thanks for the video was just wondering connectors you use for power and the size cables you use for the power supply. thanks¡

+FinalGlideAus, happen to have a link to the balance boards you use from Hobbyking? Tried looking for the specific ones you use, but can't find any that are fused like yours.

@toonachris

7 жыл бұрын

hobbyking.com/en_us/hobbyking-safe-40a-parallel-charge-board-for-4-packs-2-6s-xt60.html

Would love to see a vid of the pilots breaking down specific maneuvers, most are hard to see what they are doing with the GoPro because the frame rate can't keep up it just blurs anyways great vid looking forward to what's next.

So you can charge different mah at the same time? I can charge 850mah 4s with 1300mah 4s?

When you plug the battery into the parallel board, how do you know which side the balance port is on? i.e. the top most plug on the board - are the balance ports for that plug on the left side or the right side?

@FinalGlideAus

8 жыл бұрын

+mattsnuts It doesn't matter which one you plug into so long as its the right plug for the the voltage of the pack (i.e. 4s into 4s) as all the batteries act as one.

I have a question, how bad is it in batteries if you store them out in an unheated building in the winter. I'm in NC so the coldest temp we would ever see is like 0 degrees F.

I am new and have spent all my money on the quad and goggles, is there a cheaper charging option so i can get up and start flying until i can afford a better charger. thank!

The iCharger range of chargers are brilliant and very accurate at balancing, something that is worth paying extra for. Buy cheap, more often than not buy twice! The IR and ability to cycle new packs to break them in is nice too :-) I use a 406 and often parallel charge multiple 6S heli packs using it. One thing to note is that when you start pulling higher amps, it may be worth increasing your input/PSU voltage. The higher the input voltage the more efficient/less amps the charger will draw, so 24-25V is probably worth considering. Quad packs are quite small though so 12V may be enough :-) I use 2x HP 600W server PSU's linked for 24-25V. I also use an old iCharger 206b... still a good charger (20A output) and handy for hooking up to the running car to charge! :-) When linking server PSU's, you need to be careful with grounding of the PSU's... plenty of forum posts available about modding various different server PSU models too! :-)

@stualoo

8 жыл бұрын

+stualoo P.S. great job on the videos! I am relatively new to FPV racing quads and loving it as a rest from 3D helis :-) One thing I want to know a bit more about is PID tuning and getting the quad on rails :-)

Should i always balace when parallel charging or regular charging will work?

Great video on parallel charging. One question when making the connections. Which leads should be connected first, the main leads or the balance leads? I would think it would be the main leads since these thicker gauge wires should theoretically be able to handle voltage equalization better than the thinner gauge balance wires, but this is conjecture on my part.

The link you provided for the instructions how to modify the power supply goes into using two of them to do 24V do you need to do that for the charger that you were using?

@FinalGlideAus

8 жыл бұрын

+Jonathan Wolff Only if you want to use the full power of the charger. with one PSU you have 50a available. Two PSU's give 100a but that is not really needed if only charging smaller size packs

I say use the 406Duo and pair up four Joshua Bardwell V2 balance boards in parallel, two on each channel to do 40 batteries at once using a XT60 splitter and ProgressiveRC balance lead splitters. That's what I'm doing and I'm able to charge a TON of batteries. Obviously, check your batteries before charging them. I put mine from lowest voltage packs to highest charged packs to let them balance themselves out, then let them sit for a few minutes. After a few minutes I run them at around 1C to 1.5C depending on the situation. I run 1300 4s and 850 4s packs. Those boards work great!

Need some help on PIDs setting I've no idea what to do or how to know the difference m..

What do i do with puffed Lipos ? Knifing them seems to the "oz" way :) But how do you do it proper ?

Man i love my 406 duo, probably more than i should but hey. This charger will work fine on 12vdc but to get the best of it you need an input voltage of 25vdc. you notice a difference in balancing time with this voltage too. I charge 10x 6s 5000mah packs at 1C in 40 mins with this little fella. POWER!.

if your charger can not put out 1c worth of amps is it still alright to charge it? will the batteries still reach full charge? i have a parallel charger coming from ALIEXPRESS and have never charged multiple lipos together.

@krtf4ucorsair

8 жыл бұрын

Yes it will fully charge but it will take more time.

How do you guys run your packs in? And also cycle charging I know it's not when your riding your bike home for the shop what is it and what's it purpose? Keep em coming guys:)

Hey guys.....its been awhile since you posted this video. Is the icharger still the best to go with? (I see that banggood has one that integrates with your smartphone: SkyRC Q200 QUATTRO, but nobody compares it to an icharger)

I would love to see your guys opinion about some fpv simulators, maybe an idea for a new video?

How far ahead of time do you guys mind charging your packs would you ever store charged packs overnight or are you charge then fly kind of guys?

@FinalGlideAus

8 жыл бұрын

+Stephen Gibb I'm fine with a couple of days but this is all personal preference. The longer you leave a battery charged the worse it is for it long term.

Hey that's me! Ciao Mamma!!!

Perfect timing... I'm fairly new to these Lipo batteries and have never charged my batteries in parallel but I'm reading and watching to learn how. So, here's how my first attempt went. Tell me if this was bad, wrong, or alright... I was a bit nervous so I connect my six 3s's to my board (board not connected to a charger) My first thought is that I really need to baby sit this... so thinking ahead I didn't have time that night I waited until the morning... remember the batteries are still connected to the parallel board. In the morning just before connecting to the charger, I wanted to check the volts of each just to make sure they were within voltage range of each other for a safe charge. When I pulled the 6 batteries off the board and check their volts they were all equal. I guess by connecting them to the board the ones that were low came up and the ones that were just a bit high went down. Was that a bad thing to leave the 6 battery's connected to the board over night?

The subs are rising quick! That's good, really good!

@SiggyNowak

8 жыл бұрын

+Bruno Eye Needs to get to 35k + Please share around.

@Bruno-cb5gk

8 жыл бұрын

+Siggy Nowak Only 35k? I was thinking more 100k. But yeah I have told anyone I think would be interested about this channel, and encourage all of you to do the same.

Do a video on motors, what makes a good motor, what are the better sizes, all that good stuff

how do you check the internal resistance of a battery using the 406?

How you guys individually go about tuning PIDS would be nice to know.

@JarenMorris_UnderHover

8 жыл бұрын

+FPVQuadRacer yes I know this, if you even took a second to look at my channel, perhaps you would see I have the ability to tune. I'm only curious as to other people's methods, specifically these guys. Hence my question. It might reveal some things and insights others may over look. Insight into others methods is always good. Thanks for your thought out response, but ultimately it was unhelpful.

@OswaldBeef

4 жыл бұрын

Jaren Morris dude I. Reading your comment and they just put out a video 3 guys tune the same quad......apparently you had to wait 3 years

Can you parallel discharge or cycle multiple batteries using the Para board?

We are currently providing customised Lithium Battery packs in India , We recently had an enquiry about providing two battery packs of same voltage but of different capacity for a bike , SO i wanted to know the can we provide that ? If yes then how shall the batteries be connected to each other to give the power and also how can we ensure safety

The iCharger 406Duo can actually handle input voltages from 10 to 30 VDC, so there is no need to worry about setting the power supply to exactly 12VDC as shown in the video.

I think we need a race off between David ,Chad and steel.

i agree with steel. when i'm charging at 1c the voltage only raises slightly from resting. so at .2v per cell, 4s pack, you cold have up to 0.8v of charge between batteries. i think that would charge a good quality low resistance lipo really fast.

PID tunning video please. You are making very good videos guys.

Can you please show us how you hooked up the 12 volt output on the HP DPS-1200FB power supply? I got one, thinking they would have some kind of obvious place to plug into. It doesn't. Thank you.

@KH45430

7 жыл бұрын

Sorry, I just found the page about hooking up the power supply. Thanks for that!

How big a difference you can do depends on how hard you want to charge the lower cell. At 0.2V difference per cell, two 4S with per cell ir of 8mohm and a 10mohm par board will give: 0.8V/(74mohm) = 11A = a bit over 8C (for 1300). it's also not a current you want to push through the balance leads...

“I love singular sleeps” Fantastic ;)

How often do you have to replace batteries?

any other recommendations on chargers beisdes icharger? Whatabout powerlab or some of the models on HobbyKing ?

@SmockMountainProductions

8 жыл бұрын

+Maarten O (m00st) Powerlab dual 8 is what I would go with. that and any ICharger is worth it.

One item that needs to be covered is ESC settings there are loads of videos on flashing the firmware but none on motor response timing and damping for quad setups and what you do find are opposite of settings of each other. Would be nice to know how you set yours up and why

@FinalGlideAus

8 жыл бұрын

+meangenecsc None of us use BLHeli. Myself and steele personally hate BHeli and really don't ever want to touch it again. I don't understand why you nned to have to change all those features when there are better esc's out there that adjust those features automatically for you.

Do you guys put your batteries into "storage" mode in parallel also?

Please send/add a link for the parallel board.

If you are not in a rush to charge (read overnight) use a RadioLink CB86 Plus. chargers 8 batteries on the balance leads. Can be different cell voltage without having to check. Less time fluffing about with packs is more time to get other stuff ready for the next flight.

Would love to see them do a video about motor maintenance

In depth tuning video would be great, I wanna hear from you guys when to add or remove say P or "this is a sign of a low I" etc

yes dave is back

One major thing that was left out is letting your batteries equalize after you plug them but before you charge them. In my experience even with your cells .2 volts apart it takes a good 5 or 10 minutes for the higher volt pack to "charge" or equalize the lower voltage pack.

Nice video lads, thanks plz make more like this one ,share what you know it helps a lot, Mr steel I knew you could do it you' just need to get that slug off from under your nose and all is good :)

What about the number of blades on a propeller? What's better, 2 or 3? Maybe even 4 blades because the quad in the background had that many.