Why do I love these rants? They just resonate with my old man grumpiness. And over the years there have been so many "why did they make this part this way? Ugh." Glad someone with knowledge is calling these things out and giving us non-pro bikers/mechanics a heads up on the b.s.

You know what chaps my chamois.... Loved how Palmer used Transition as an example of good website (which it is) and Yeti as example of garbage site.

@epicTPR11

3 жыл бұрын

So true, the shop I work at sells both brands and Yeti's site is such a headache

@jben4807

3 жыл бұрын

Yeti’s website is terrible!

I'm building up a new bike at the moment and I've found some new peeves. Why oh why does Shimano have i-spec a, b, II and EV?! Why on earth did a single company come up with so many standards for connecting a shifter to a brake?! I just bought a new XT shifter and Zee brakes and needed to buy a Wolf Tooth adapter to make them come together. WAT?! Two new parts from the same company are incompatible! Why doesn't the industry make a single damn royalty free standard for this? The intentional incompatibility (aka lock-in) between brands is insane. Other recent peeves: Tubeless sealant that never seals the smallest holes. Even worse, sealant that pulls your rim tape off. I'm looking at you "Peaty's Sealant"! Worst sealant ever! Presta valves! Sure they work fine but they're so weak! Hubs that don't last. That's most of them. Maybe Onyx, Dt, Chris King, etc. will last but man they're expensive! Forks that come without enough oil, sometimes none! Forks with sloppy bushings from the factory or bushings that wear out way too quickly. Gloves that last less than 5 rides! Also why does ever pair of gloves look like it's made in the same place in China? Probably because they are. Cheap materials that aren't designed to last. Gloves used to be so much better. Why are Sram Eagle rear derrs so weak? The screw that holds the upper jockey wheel in place has about 1 mm of threads in aluminum and is easily stripped. I went through two expensive derrs before I rage quit and swapped to Shimano. Why is the Shimano quick link not reusable when the Sram one is? Why the explosion in bottom bracket standards?! Most of them are slight variations on other standards. BB30 is an abomination. Oh yes, and Sram's 29 mm DUB stuff. 29 mm, just cause ... Why do I need a new set of cranks for superboost, couldn't they make rings with an extra 5 mm offest? Why is the lockring on the Shimano 12 sp microspline cassette so insanely easy to strip? The old Shimano lockrings were great. Even Eagle cassettes are way better than this. Why do droppers put the damn schrader valve in such a hard to reach place? They should make it like a rear shock, an easy to reach valve with a cap. Why don't companies do recalls any more? Sram's guide brakes that stay on when it's hot and Norco's super weak chainstays should have both been recalled. I'm sure there's lots of other examples but I can't think of any recalls in the bike industry in recent memory. Phew, that was fun!

Oh my god I just said that yesterday about yeti’s site! All I wanted was a geo chart for the SB140, holy shit bro! What a nightmare

It's so refreshing to hear people in the industry being honest about carbon fibre, especially with regards to wheels. 👍

@jasonlewis6914

3 жыл бұрын

I agree with you man. I got a smoken deal on fsa afterburner aluminum wheelset. Best wheels I ever had. And they sound awesome!

@brandonperez2267

3 жыл бұрын

I understand the logic of the carbon wheels argument but if you are an aggressive rider over 180lbs carbon is the only way to go. I can’t even begin to tell you how many aluminum wheels I’ve broken, I finally broke down and got some Reserves and I couldn’t be happier. To be fair I broke one, but given the circumstances it was understandable and I had a new rim in a week.

@Adventures_with_Sog

3 жыл бұрын

@@brandonperez2267 I've gotta disagree with you there. I'm a heavy rider, my passion is technical rocky descents, you can't beat decent aluminium rims.

Your ranting is the most original and fresh and honest MTB content that you can find! Just keep ranting!

I thought I was the only one who hates those ODI clamps.

Yes to everything, Ryan! Absolutely nailing it.

I love it Ryan. Preach on. The industry wanted us all to have carbon wheel because they were stiffer. Now we all need engineered compliance in our wheels. Then we all needed 35mm bars and now they are all adding flex to them because they are to stiff and I’ve always hated Yeti’s web sight. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

Working in the industry, i visit bike websites every day and its such a pain. Thank you for bringing this up! Even people buying bikes want to know EXACTLY what components are included, so it doesn't seem that that much to ask....

Ryan's rants were spot on, esp the one about bike industry websites. Yeti and Specialized were two great examples. It's not you Ryan, it's THEM!

I’m with you on the website design. I do a lot of research that amounts to a lot of time that could’ve been better spent but mostly the time is wasted because of the websites and how hard it is just to navigate. I have a lot of friends who are new to MTB and road cycling and they come to me and I try to help them... of course I always recommend a LBS but I also try to arm them with info that is current before they go in. I just don’t understand why the websites are so overly complicated.

Went through the search for a replacement 31.8 mm light weight handlebar for my light weight wife. The lack of selection compared to 35 mm just completely deflated our tires. Palmer- you’re right, the bicycle industry is wrong! Keep giving them hell!

100% correct on the wheel building. With the right tools and say the wheelbuilding pro book/PDF anyone can do their own wheels. I like doing it because then I know exactly what I have: what rim, what spoke length, what hubs. I'll tell you what, I rather build 10 wheels before I would ever do a full brake bleed again. Don't even get me started on suspension service. No thanks. The shop can do that.

@Generali087

3 жыл бұрын

@@REB4444 who said anything in cycling was cheap😂. Seriously though, the tools are not that expensive. Check out wheelpro for the wheelbuilding PDF. There are plans on how to build your own tools on the cheap. Check out Oz Cycle here on KZread for more cheap DIY tools. Who says it's a one off? When you do your cables, take the wheels off and check dish and true. I felt it was kind of a natural progression after being comfortable with doing cables, like what is the next step in my bike wrenching journey.

@hollycow123445

3 жыл бұрын

@@Generali087 you don't want to bleed brakes but think wheel building is the next step after replacing cables? Haha

@Generali087

3 жыл бұрын

@@hollycow123445 haha yeah 😀. No chance of having the syringe pop off the nipple and spill mineral oil everywhere. At least I didn't attempt to do it on SRAM brakes.

Bike industry websites are a real problem. Specialized is a good example of confusing and kuat bike racks as well

@sixty2612

3 жыл бұрын

Those are EXACTLY the two I thought of lol

@kyleetchandy8410

3 жыл бұрын

specialized website is so bad lol

I look forward to these so much. Can’t wait till we can hang out again in person!!

So excited when palmer’s peeves pops up in my subscriptions! I only agree with you about half the time but it is still great content.

I didn't notice my grips were asymmetrical until now. Thanks a lot!

So glad to hear that I'm not the only one who finds bike company websites frustrating to navigate!!!!!!!!!

You know what saddens my saddle? The fact that seemingly NO ONE in the industry has done a proper full on review of the the new Evil Follow in spite of the fact the bike has been out for 5 months. Get it done Palmer. Let's see a follow-up video from your first impressions 🙏

@carlsbadmountainbiker2782

3 жыл бұрын

unholy rollerz they just published it...

Like these videos. Reminds of going to the bike shop and hanging out the owners and employees listening to their rants and raves..

YES on the websites! They should have a “2005 mode” button which if you select, brings you to an old-school utilitarian version of the site that has good photos and tables of data. Also the friggin pop up window that takes over the screen just as you are about to click on something.

As a web designer I totally agree with you on the one, you're not alone on that one. If they could just spend a little money on that! It's not that their bikes are cheap!

Just put on a new pair of deathgrips yesterday and thought the same thing about the clamps!!

Really appreciate the comments about wheel building

Totally with you on the bike manufacturer websites. I want geo and builds. And please put the weight of the bikes without a disclaimer as to way you don't. And yes, I thought I was the only one annoyed by Yeti's website.

I agree with everything! The website thing is relevant if you visit lots of different ones, but if it’s only a few you get used to the quirks. I do wish people would focus more on what works as opposed to what’s “cool” though. Keep it up, love the content!

Broooo!!! you got a big fan down in Colombia South America. totally agree!!! cheers👍

Keep em coming Ryan!

Sometimes it looks that web-design agencies are creating trends and then just try to sell their services to the industry. You are getting big support on that one from me, as I don't browse using my fingers on an y-pad, I work with keyboard and mouse. And the mouse scrolls up and down.

still on 31,8 bars on all my bikes... thx to the 35-craze my bars are gettin cheaper :)

Loved this. Agreed with all the rants....and a special thanks for the wheel building segment. I've been riding bikes seriously for over 30 years and for the longest time, I held wheelbuilding in my mind with a certain mystique. Only started building my own wheels maybe 4-5 years ago because a friend told me much the same thing: it's not that hard. And it really isn't; you do need to pay attention to detail...it's not like installing some pedals, but more home mechanics should try it!

As someone who works at a Specialized dealer, I was not surprised when you put up their website as a bad example. Of course I'm on the B2B site at work, but I dread going to their regular site otherwise. People come in or call us to just to get info because they can't find it themselves and I don't blame them.

Loves the show!

Agree about wheel building. It's a skill that needs to be practiced. It's the one bike building operation I pay to have done. Could I build my own wheels? Sure. And I have. But when I might build a set of wheels once every every few years, I know I'll never reach the skill level of someone who builds dozens of wheels every year.

rant on. love it.

I agree on the ODI grips and the yeti website. As you’re about to scroll the screen changes and you accidentally clicked on something you didn’t intend to click on 😅

Thought I was the only one. Kudos bro. 😂

You are soo right! Bike industry websites suck. Usually the plain boring ones are much easier to navigate

Agree on the grips. That has been a personal peeve in the shop as are shitty bolts used on stems, grips and seatpost clamps.

Totally with you on the website thing. So frustrating!

Spot on about locking grips asymmetrical clamp bolts. That absolutely annoys the SHIT out of me!

As soon as he started with the website bit. Yeti was the first thing to come to mind!

Im right there with you on the grips and websites. Glad im not the only one who feels this way

I'm with you on Yeti's website. From a Yeti owner!

Video muito legal parabéns..😉✌️🇧🇷

Thanks for this Nice video

Yeah Yetis website is trash. I'm all for marketing with buzzwords and such but they take it to a new level. Plus to go find the builds and costs was quite a chore.

I run 31.8 bars and have looked into 35’s and just thought “why”.

@Windband1

3 жыл бұрын

+1

I love bike mag, but you know what chafes my tizney the bike mag review of the 2019 Mondraker Foxy. I got one and been getting into it the last few weeks and you literally do none of the weird movements you guys said you need to do. It's awesome on steep techy tight stuff you guys must have been on mushrooms or something?? 😉

I just like this in anticipation of liking this

I hate how some brands make it hard to find the fork travel specs. Evil used to do it, i just went back it there and abit of improvement but still would take awhile to find. the yeti website is is all over the place. but i've actually spent so much time on there that i now know where everything is

No, you're totally right. Most bike industry websites are garbage. I feel like the larger the company the worse the website (Yeti being an exception).

Your videos are on point. It's quite educational to see your point of view. No marketing BS, just the facts. Totally agree about websites. It amazes me how difficult many are to navigate and how key information is omitted. The Transition website is very good. Easy to find what you're looking for. Maybe this an old guy complaining, but it seems these websites are designed by much younger folks who are more interested in razzmatazz than content. Anyway, thanks for the videos and keep 'em coming!

Wheelbuilding is a skill. Bleeding Avid Juicy Threes was a (dark) art.

Totally with you on bike industry website! so confusing. They should look towards the automotive industry on how best to organize their websites.

100% agree with bike industry websites! My internet isn’t the fastest at work and it just jams the computer up!

Love it all!

I miss this channel!

100% agree with the ODI grips. Thought I was the only one lol

I totally agree with those ugly asymmetric bolts on the ODI grips. Shame to see that the company who brought the Lock-On Grip system to the market are making asymmetric bolts on their grips. I bought a pair of Elite motion 2 weeks ago and I was really disappointed when I saw that lock-on bolts were asymmetrics. Got them to replace my stock Bontrager XR trail Elite and those ones have well symmetric bolts on.

Yes. Odi grips. Single lockon. Bolt head position where the thumb sits. Worn the glove out. Using diety knuckle dusters now. But had to file bolt head. Otherwise another hole in glove...

Perhaps they could thread both holes on those ODI grips and use a shouldered bolt then you could reverse one when you get it.

Agrred on all points, dude. I immediately thought "Yeti" when you mentioned websites. Ergon lock-ons for the win, bud.

@Windband1

3 жыл бұрын

Deity lock ons are also very nice.

Omg 😳 you mentioned the oDi grip thing .. 😬 me tooo

Love this series! As you've described yourself as some that hates climbing, I would love to hear your thoughts on ebikes. As a fellow hater of climbing, I think ebikes are the best thing that's ever happened to mountain biking. Or maybe you could just complain about how comments about ebikes really drain your battery. I don't know, Im just spit balling here...

There is a reason why bike industry websites are built like that. It's meant to keep you trapped in their website. It's the same concept of the design of last Vegas casinos. It's so you spend more time and money there by random things that pique your interest. -from a former marketing web designer

Totally with you on the bike websites. If it takes me more than 10 seconds to find out a bike's specs and geo, you're doing it wrong.

Is there a Mrs Palmer ? 🤣🤣

@zam_tv

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@maplic

3 жыл бұрын

This is her

ODI was spot on

And bike manufacturers that don't put sag or shock pressure recommendations. Or shock measurements!

Thanks for sharing what strips your threads, rounds your bolts, kinks your cables, seizes your bearings, dents your downtube, slips your grips, stictions your stanchions, warps your rotors, burps your bead, and corrodes your nipples.

Agreed on the 35mm bars! I personally think they look like crap because they're big and bulky and just plain fat. Even Renthal says they're totally unnecessary.

I agree so much with the websites.... They are horrible!

Yes! Finally somebody admits carbon wheels aren’t the be all end all and that websites suck. Like qbp’s search function

Yes, bike industry websites suck! It takes me a long time for me to find what I want to. Just make it easy to use.

I was trying to look up the geo of a yeti bike the other day. My eyes hurt and I gave up

Only thing that stops me from building a wheel is I don’t have a truing stand. I can assemble a wheel but I can’t make it straight

@Generali087

3 жыл бұрын

Check out wheelpro.co.uk. There are plans on how to build your own truing stand. Also Feedback makes a one sided stand that is way cheaper than the Park Tool stand. That is how I got my start. Then I sold it and upgraded to a park tool stand. I actually got it from REI using a 20% off coupon and my dividend.

@WildOutdoorLiving

3 жыл бұрын

Having a tension meter is also a really good idea.

@Generali087

3 жыл бұрын

@@WildOutdoorLiving ah yes, agreed. Park Tool makes their cheapy one. That will get you there. I also pluck or hit the spokes with a tire lever and go by tone when equalizing tension.

The website thing, I definitely agree with, crazy designs, as you said, I just want the information, fast, easy. I think Nicolai does quite nice job with their website, they even have PDF file at the bottom of product page so you can look up all the numbers. Thhere are some other sites that do ok or decent job, but most websites are awful.

Spot on about the websites.

I was going to think you would say wider bars. Everyone’s screaming wider wider wider. See your bars? Why don’t you try wider?! I fallowed it. Got up to 780’s at 5’10”. Finally said umm I want to try 760 again and haven’t looked back. I understand wider from like 720 and shorter of the days. But 800’s. Unless your a big dude. Maybe it’s getting too wide

I got to say I agree with the bullshit of bike industry websites. Why brands need to hide information of their bikes? If i try to find what headset fits, or a bolt, bearing, axle, weight or what ever that the customer needs... Love the sites of Transition and Santa Cruz, they got it right👌

amass produced stuff that is not tested or inspected properly before it goes to the consumer, warranty that sucks, no spare parts or limited spare parts on shimano brakes you can't get spare parts, at least that's what it seems like, I haven't asked for spare seals, or pistons, but it's silly you can't just buy them as spares, to have brake you can fully service and use. all of the things mentioned Shimano annoys us with. i've had got warranty replacements cuss my brakes failed within warranty period, and the replacements leaked too, faulty seals on most if not all, it seems like the ones I put in the box that I used the least also leak, I saw wet spots in the original box i put them back into. so 4 sets repalcing 4 sets that leak, that's ridiculous. one brake even leaked after about 40 minutes, cus the seal was so bad in the caliper/piston, the others leaked too in few months, another in few weeks. ridiculous. but at least the Shimano XTR M9000 shifter can be rebuilt with new mechanism, covers, clamp, bolts...

nowadays everything is artisenal or handcrafted, which is a way to market and increase prices

Definitely agree with the first 2. The second 2 only partially. ... However, Yeti's website is undoubtedly rubbish.

35mm bars feel nice if they’re alloy but riding with carbon ones (only ridden them once) and they do kinda hurt your hands

Yeti is the only company I've ever emailed because I found their site so annoying. The person that responded agreed with me.

Someone needed to call everyone out..

Ha ha 😂 Yeti website... There is some UX there... But no one can find it 🤣

Ah hahahaha.. Palmer fuckin Rocks

Kinked seat tubes, make no sense yet many brands keep doing it, Trek is one of them, but there are many other brands doing it. but there are some brands that don't do it, including Nicolai/Geometron which I own.

True words .

I completely agree, these so called “supple” 35mm bars that are being marketed are still stiff. If you’re after supple bars just use 31.8 mm.Same with wheels, if you want supple for your hardtail bike just use aluminum and build your wheels with double butted spokes laced 3x.

Phil Kessels long lost brother

Oooh yeah, the ODI lock ons...

I hear you...when was the last time you went onto the Canyon website? Man, it's an annoying one...

@Windband1

3 жыл бұрын

+1. Also Trek's site is horrible.

I so agree with the website rant. I hate them too.

the grip thing, is not big deal for me, as long as bolts are easily accessible I am fine with it. but brake clamping, and shifter clamping, and lack of suitability. and shifters that dont fit me has been been my peeves for years. but at least Shimano has abandoned the clamp used on M6000, M8000 series.... brakes, it was in the way of mounting Archer Components remote The budget shifters usually you can't place so you can shift on Shimano setup, if you want the brake to be positioned so you can brake, this is the case with shimano budget models, ridiculous, i've seen many kids bikes with it, and the cheap brakes you can't adjust the brakes to fit kids and be functional cus doing that means they can't brake, cus the actuation of the brake is reduced as you adjust the lever closer to the grip. So I I have to disappoint the kids with the truth. I try to adjust it for them, so I find a compromise that can work, but it's not optimal.

Cool. I definitely agree with your rants but I think it would be better, if you include you trolling or talking to one of the company's CEOs to complain 😉. Okay, may be not great for business but surely would be entertaining!

Websites..definitely 👍