Standards are standard in most industries but the bike industry.

@jcsrst

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah and it's annoying AF!

@ernesternest815

4 жыл бұрын

Yep. Wish you could buy another frame and just swap everything. Inevitably you gotta buy more stuff to make it work. That’s why we all have a huge parts bin of crap that did not fit.

@koopatrpa

4 жыл бұрын

In comparison to industrial hydraulics the bike industry is world class at standards.

@RideAlongside

4 жыл бұрын

Yep. And stems connect 31.8mm and 1-1/8” components. It’s the same exact measurement. C’mon!!

Thank god we all still ride the same wheel size at least. 26” 🤪.

@Palmer you are my spirit animal 🤠. All the little inconsistency are really frustrating. Thanks for sharing. Enjoy the ride

Centerlock is awesome. I don't like screwing around with six bolts and using locktite.

@florihupf

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Esp when the bolts walk into the carbon frame anyways.

I really hope this is a series that stays

I could watch an hour of this

The torque cap segment was spot on. I upgraded my front hub to Sram for the sole purpose of putting the torque caps in to make it easier to align the fork and hub.

203mm was done so you can have an 8in rotor. I think that size came from America motocross

@yixinjon

4 жыл бұрын

Yup the 180 is 7" and the 203 is 8". Because 'murica!

@cedriceveleigh

4 жыл бұрын

Anything related to inches should be banned from the cycling industry and all our lives would be easier.

Best video BIKE has made in a long time, very interesting point

Love centerlock. And big axle “caps” have been around from the 90’s in several different designs. Parallax, FCC, and Scraxles

I liked this video, please keep making more of them!

What no fire side chat 🔥🤷🏻‍♂️ Great stuff, keep it coming Ryan 🤙🍻

No mention of the useless Shimano freestroke brake adjust??!

@Bikemagazine

4 жыл бұрын

He actually covered that one last year! www.bikemag.com/palmers-peeves/palmers-peeves-3/

great stuff, a lot of things that are not mentioned much, some I haven't heard anyone mention yet.

sh i et, thx for the microspline spacer shout out, i fkd up real bad on this one. Props!

You can tighten centerlock rotors and cassettes with the backside of needlenose pliers (my most used, most versatile trail tool).

I was ready for him to sound like a whiney jerk but....well done Sir, well done.

its about time somebody realized this little issues we have on Shimano and Sram...FIX!!EM NOW!!

This is brilliant! 👍

I don’t agree with centerlock. When you tighten them correct, whey will not come loose.

Screw that... Everyone should make 200s instead of 203s. That 3 mm makes zero difference.

@steveedwards5280

4 жыл бұрын

Hope are in the process of switching over on this one. They make rotors and adapters for both, but the website dates that for long term availability, you should select the 200 option.

@lachlan_bakewell

4 жыл бұрын

Run a washer under the brake caliper. You can get Stainless Steel washers in m6 from a hardware store. Depending on how specialised the store, you can get washers exactly 1.5mm thick. Still a pain though.

@kroozctrl6284

4 жыл бұрын

It’s basically the imperial to metric conversion. The bike industry used to be strictly imperial, so when working with dual crown forks and their 8” = 203mm rotors, it made since. It’s part of a legacy that takes ages to convert. Like the seat tube angle. We consumer have been griping about that shit for 10-15 years. The mtb frame manufacturing just realized mtb is not an off road road bike anymore.

I agree 100% with all of the gripes

I have a 70 mm BB on my Colnago....EVERY other bike i own has a 68....ah man, the good old days eh 🤘

I dip the cable in super glue before I insert it back in the roller wheel on the derailleur. Helps prevent the fraying. Just make sure you let the glue dry before you insert it.

Literally just installed a new gx derailleur, and the roller thing is so annoying! I (stupidly) forgot to put the ferrule back on the cable outer at the derailleur end and had to pull the cable back out seconds after cutting it. Nightmare trying to stop it fraying and now have the shortest bit of cable at the end possible.

@Calispeedboi

4 жыл бұрын

I’ve been there and just said f it to the ferrule.

@Ronald-qj5nx

3 жыл бұрын

I apply super glue to the ends of the cables after cutting to length to stop the cable fraying, makes life so much easier

If centerlock rotor is loose on the trail, it's user error ;)

@catg9196

4 жыл бұрын

BOys85 I agree. You have to properly torque them. And they’ll never come loose.

@nathanroberson

4 жыл бұрын

100%

@Lestat1795

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly! Only 6 bolt rotors come loose. It is not a plus for 6 bolt rotors that you have they right tool in hand. Because with a centerlock you don‘t need the tool on the trail. Even if ( and it shouldn’t) the lockring comes loose, the rotor sits fixed on the splines. 6 bolt is a shitty design!

@tfordy

3 жыл бұрын

I always torque up my centre lock rotor correctly and it still comes loose every now and then, it's shit

Loved this video, everything said was so true 😂, more vids like this would be great!

Some great pet peeves! keep this series going please. Shimano Microspline may be a pain to install compared to SRAM XD, but install is only a one time thing, and the pain is well worth it to save $200. XTR cassettes are $200 cheaper than XX1 Eagle.

I think difference between an axle and a spindle is more that a spindle is directly mounted to something, ie a crank arm or a suspension upright on a car. An axle typically spans two supports and has a componet rotate around it.

Run Shimano Saint clipless and dmr/hotizon flats. No complaints. My only complaint about SRAM is that their chains tend to break. I broke two over several months. Never broken a KMC chain so thats what I run.

Love these videos. LOL come on bike industry!

I‘m just building up a new bike and yesterday I was really upset about exactly these things - I messaged a friend about micro spline, 200/203 and center lock and he sent me this video - you describe it soooo well! 🤘🏽 Still annoyed 🤦🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️

Use a small razor blade with Rolla-majig and cable end. You can easily guide the cable thru. Its kinda like sliding cable under the blade and moving the blade together to reach the end of the Rolla-majig. It will absolutely guide the cable thru and out: even some pretty bajangled cable ends.

It wasn't too long ago that the 185mm rotor existed and guess who made that? Avid / Sram

Shimano & SRAM Peeves, first critique Rockshox, lol. Really enjoyed this video non the less. I approve of the 200mm rotor, Still like the rolla ma jig, if you are a cyclist you have spare shifter and brake cables in stock as well as housing. The cable on a shimano derailleur comes out a such a crazy angle that it wears the coating off of the cable in the first few shifts if you don't have the correct housing end, I'll take the stupid wheel any day. I've only ever run spd's, would like to try the crankbros, but it it ain't broke don't fix it. HG driver is super simple to install, and I think the coating on the SRAM cassette lasts longer.

Haha such a spot on video 😂 Although last year I committed to never using 6 bolt again lololol. For many reasons

@monchosalce

4 жыл бұрын

Which ones?

@collinmcballin

4 жыл бұрын

@@monchosalce center lock rotors over 6 bolt yes

@monchosalce

4 жыл бұрын

@@collinmcballin Uuumm I meant which are the reasons, sorry

I was thinking the same way about the micro spline, I must upgrade from raceface vault to crankbrothers synthesis just to have XT Diore 8100

Ryan, What are your thoughts on pressfit vs. threaded BB’s? Are the pressfit okay and secure enough for the huge torque demands of Mtn. biking, or just cheaper to manufacture that way? Can a pressfit bearing wear away at the BB shell and ruin the frame eventually?

I thought for sure brake bleeds were going to be a part of this video when I saw the title.

I've been looking for torque caps for my friends synchros hubs because of that stupid issue.

100% agree with all of these.

Great video, this dude’s great. But I disagree on centerlock

Ryan your are right on the money!! Especially with the xtr pedal seals!!!! WTF

This was fun.

Legal mesmo esse vídeo hoje está top de ver uma Boa Dante e nois.✌️✌️✌️

Centerlock rotors are the best

How do I get a job doing this. Seatpost diameter? SRAM brakes backwards pad contact? SRAM brake bleeds v Shimano? Level t brakes in general? No affordable 1x10 drivetrains paired wit solid squish for a decent and affordable bike? SRAM DUB? The trek slash seat tube angle? I could go for a long time.

Yes Ryan, oh and I agree with ronaldo beast

I hope the bike industry agrees on one standard like we all agree on every peeve you just mentioned man

Palmer....! You Fuckin Rock Dude..!

No mention of the Eagle cassette's narrow/wide top-2 cogs?

@vin374

4 жыл бұрын

Peter Chowra yes. That absolute worse design 😡

Metric shock measurement - fixing a problem that never existed

@rpbikehed

4 жыл бұрын

Imperial is the biggest problem of them all. 86 SAE!

Having installed a 203mm front brake a couple of hours ago, I was watching and laughing. And I agree - kind of strange to have 160, 180 and then 203?!

Like what your doing here.

I'm no proponent of Shimano (I much prefer Sram overall), but I beg to differ on the CentreLock. As fas as I'm concerned, it's the best rotor-hub interface there is. Reasons: it takes a much shorter time to attach and detach CentreLock rotors; a use of a torque wrench is slightly less necessary than in the case of the 6-bolt system - and, most importantly, it is compatible with every brake rotor standard through use of an adaptor.

My Xt pedal can have an issue for 20 yrs. Crankbros can only have a issue for a few months before they are in the trash.

Surprised you didn't go in on the shimano pad rattle

@TeamCykelhold

4 жыл бұрын

because this isn't from a rider POV but from a mechanics POV.

Next vid should be - Fox vs Rockshox

同意，相同感觉。

The Torque cap drives me nuts on forks. there's just no need for it anymore.

No mention of DOT Breaks ???

Agree

Agree agree agree.

Difference between axles and spindles: axles are stationary, spindles... they... SPIN ! 😁

I scored 4 out of 6 peeves!

Microspline is so you can have superior cassettes at an insanely cheaper price. It's better than XD Drivers. If you have misalignment issues during installation, you have to reconsider your skills as a mechanic.

Oh sweet, look at that. My bike is torque cap capable

centre lock hub is the std for non mtb bikes, eg gravel, road, etc

If you going to moan about micro spline should blame XD that really didn't need to be there in the first place and why does NX and GX cassetes use differet driver bodies. Oh and centre lock rotors are awesome, never had them come loose.

@DasRightfortyforfo

4 жыл бұрын

GX uses a XD driver body. NX and below use the standard hg body.

Loved it! My peeve is BB's!! WTF??

@alexking4082

4 жыл бұрын

What about them?

I have experienced every, single, one, of those peeves. I've used XD for the last 4 years and decided to try Shimano 12 speed this year (in part due to your dream build). Aligning those damn small cogs into the body was such a PITA. Then, when I put the lock ring on, I shifted one of them slightly and ended up stripping out the lock ring. Luckily there was enough thread left so I don't think it was an issue, but way more difficult than it should be.

I have a sram centerlock since 2010 and never touched it again

Here's my peeve about forks...always going stiffer, yesterday the 36 was the best thing, today it's not stiff enough now we NEED a stiffer fork the 38... ridiculous!

Wasted State!!!!!! @gunnison. Did you get the Keating beating?

@rpbikehed

4 жыл бұрын

You know I did! Escalate hall ‘99-00.

@cjcox1480

3 жыл бұрын

Ryan Colorado up by the gym. I ate shit on a longboard down to Keating my first day. 08-09

Torq caps 4life!!

Microspline is the way they are because it makes it so much cheaper to produce the cassette. Take a look at the prices of an XT cassette vs an x01, you will immediately see why having the MS is superior from a from a manufacturing point of view. Maybe they could have done a better job with the spacers, and yes it's easier to install an XD cassette, but once you have to replace it and see the prices all is forgiven.

I scored zero of your peeves on my bikes because my bikes are too old to have that tech 😂 The elastomer forks going hard in winter is where my peeves are at😂

@rpbikehed

4 жыл бұрын

😂

Sram also made 170 and 185 rotors 😡

SRAM to complicate to find components, expensive. Shimano heavy than SRAM but make the job nicely and ease to find components

You're such a diva Mr. Palmer.

How much

Just wondering if Ryan has the mask in the background b/c he uses it or b/c its current to the times?!?! Lol

@rpbikehed

4 жыл бұрын

I use that thing! These days I’m never more than a few feet from a face mask. But in the shop I actually use a proper respirator when I’m doing anything that’s making fumes or generating dust.

Recommend Dream builds polygon

No standards in the bike industry...only options

I'm not a big fan of 1x cranksets. I run 2x10 I find it much better range Shimano xtr on my hardtail.

Center lock has ducked me rotor came off the rear wheel and damaged the wheel and frame

In other news, Betamax is better than VHS...but, for some reason, VHS won

Still prefer micro spline to XD mind. Cassettes can be made cheaper. Easier to clean too. And XD false torque does my head in

Dang people really rebuild there pedals?

@7hhuman995

4 жыл бұрын

Seriously, nothing I love more than buying new pedals.

this guy is like colin robinson from "what we do in the shadows."

Make like Fabio wbimer cycle

Poppy

All I can say is just be happy your not a car mechanic lol.

@bananasstuff3344

4 жыл бұрын

yup. parts that are precise for your year and model of car

@eriksdodges853

4 жыл бұрын

Haha, right ! Forget the repairs, sometimes reseting the service reminder light is a chore ! That in my opinion should be a standard

@rpbikehed

4 жыл бұрын

Totally agree, that shit is bonkers!

I got a kick out of this video. However, I disagree with the bit about centerlock rotors because they should just never come loose if installed to the right torque. The same applies for cassettes. They should never come loose on the trail, and that's an accepted fact, so the same should be accepted for centerlock rotors. Centerlock rotors are better and should not go away. It should just be widely communicated that the recommended torque is high.

@the_hambulance

3 жыл бұрын

I torque the shit out of mine, and they still manage to come loose. I suspect it is because braking forces act anticlockwise, which fractionally loosens the mount. Maybe it would be less shit if it was reverse thread.

I know you are saying hey bud, learn to time your spin but how many people have snapped Shimano pedal axel and had to ride out with a sharp pike spearing you in the ankle? 4 times.

Too late already bought micro spline dt swiss e1700 wheel!!!then again I don't care as I can't ride anyways!

Centerlock is way better. It’s being specced on way more bikes and most hubs and rotors are available with it. Get with the program Palmer.

@richardjeffery517

4 жыл бұрын

Moisture kills the centre lock set up ,make sure you use waterproof white grease .Or it'll become scrap

@paradox963

4 жыл бұрын

@@richardjeffery517 Yep Center lock needs to die, I'm not a fan of anything with that little purchase on the interface it just leads to problems and as Palmer said nobody carries a shimano BB or cassette lockring tool with them but every little multi tool has a t25.

@scottjohannen2688

4 жыл бұрын

Richard Jeffery Jesus. how long are you leaving it on there? Never had any issue getting a rotor off. I’ve been wrenching at a shop for a few years now. Had one come loose on a ride once. Got it hand tight and didn’t have any problems except some extra noise. At least I didn’t have any bolts to lose. Have had to drill out a few 6 bolt wheels

@fordio1979

4 жыл бұрын

It's really not

@niteryder50

4 жыл бұрын

@@richardjeffery517 Your cassette is as likely to come loose as a centre lock rotor is? How often do you tighten your cassette on the trail?

You give me one Santa Cruz bicycle

Damn. In agreement with every gripe. All true. All annoying AF.

My Shimano peeves are: - Stop manufacturing fishing junk. Animal abuse isn't cool. - Still no 12-speed road / gravel groupsets. - The Di2 is a chore to set up and remove / migrate between bikes, compared to Sram eTap. Ought to be truly wireless, like the Sram. - The bleeding port threads in the The GRX (810) and like drop bar brake levers are made of the cheapest, easiest to strip plastic. Threading a soft plastic bleeding funnel to a single nanometre torque may strip the threads, permanently ruin the levers and require a shifter-lever replacement. Happened to Me a few days ago. - Shimano brakes need ridiculously frequent re-bleeding and tend to get spongy in no time. - Shimano road and gravel shifters may appear to be permanently damaged if the shift cable isn't tightened sufficiently. - The cable housing in Shimano road & gravel shifters is rather tricky: the cable can randomly get kinked at the shifter end or shoot out of the housing and shifting will stop working. - The shims that come with 6-bolt brake rotors -are superfluous. They have no function. - Likewise, the wires that come with Shimano disc brake callipers - are redundant, as far as I'm concerned. - The standard Shimano GRX lever boots are very crude and ugly. My Sram peeves are: - Extremely expensive 12-speed cassettes. Many times more expensive than Shimano ones. - The washers required (!) for installation of eTap (AXS) front derailleur may scuff and likely damage carbon seat tubes in long run. - Sram ought to do away with the 6-bolt interface adopt the CentreBolt protocol instead. - Sram road shifter levers scratch too easily. My peeves with both: - The rubber lever boot does not sit flush and kinks at places. Ought to be lockable somehow (for instance, with a couple of small screws).