Key learning point for the customer, ALWAYS check that your replacement part matches what is being replaced!

@heyitsdrew

3 жыл бұрын

now you know to check what the customer put in, so u don't have to go through this trouble again.

@pontiacsrule8761

3 жыл бұрын

And that 3 chain GM V6 is no easy task to do. It's recommended to remove the engine. I heard GM in last 3.6 engines switched to a 1 chain design

@harperira1626

2 жыл бұрын

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@derekjuelz5973

2 жыл бұрын

@Harper Ira Instablaster :)

@harperira1626

2 жыл бұрын

@Derek Juelz I really appreciate your reply. I found the site through google and Im in the hacking process now. Takes a while so I will get back to you later when my account password hopefully is recovered.

Ivan the Sherlock Holmes of automotive diagnostics, this is why I watch

@HouseCallAutoRepair

3 жыл бұрын

Between Ivan, Eric O, and Paul Danner, these guys cover it all! I'm ALWAYS learning new tricks and techniques from these guys, from the comfort of my LazyBoy!

This is your most impressive diagnosis yet! We wouldn't hold it against you if you stood at the end of a successful diagnosis and took a deep bow to the camera, with some computer generated applause.

You absolute legend, the sign of a true mechanic.

@thomasehrig6457

3 жыл бұрын

Technician *

Love it.. do the the diagnosis, not just start replacing parts. Excellent work Ivan!

The most remarkable part to me is resisting the urge to tear it apart. Big lesson here. Learning never ends.

It's an absolute pleasure to watch a gifted and honest diagnostic specialist at work. God Bless you Ivan 👍

Ivan, you are an automotive wizard. Truly are.

A great demonstration for the need to purchase certain parts from the dealer and verify that the parts are the same and correct. The diagnosis was absolutely STELLAR ! BRAVO !

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Carl! Definitely right on verifying correct parts before beginning the job :)

That was some awesome diagnostic skills! Its great you always go the extra mile for your customers.

Brilliant diagnosis. Nice job Ivan, but we all know what we really come for... The TEARDOWN

@Rein_Ciarfella

3 жыл бұрын

That's definitely what *I* came for! I always want to know that the root cause is, plus I like taking things apart to see how they work. It helps to have a curious mind, I guess. ;-)

@Cheepchipsable

3 жыл бұрын

Be a while, assuming customer lets Ivan know if it was the problem.

Videos like these are the reason why I keep coming back here. These videos are fantastic! Thank you for uploading these!

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics

3 жыл бұрын

My pleasure, Josh!

Great diag Ivan. I love watching and learning. Greatly appreciate the time you take to record these interesting repairs. Cheers.

This was awesome, nice job! You are like an automotive Sherlock Holmes and never cease to amaze!

Wish I was smart as you lol. I just fixed parasite draw on 2003 Toyota Camry v6. So darn easy 🤣. Complaint was car die next day. Customer put new battery and die again lol. She told me It been in wreck before. Rear end accident. Trunk doesn’t close properly. I checked.Trunk lid actuator was stuck or doesn’t latch it. Unplugged. Booms. fixed. Went mA537 to mA0.009. No aftermarket junk on this car. Bunch of dudes saying it’s the alternator 🙄. I saved my customer a lot of money. Great video as always. Learned a lot from you.

@neilmurphy845

3 жыл бұрын

Yah on Toyota's if you're battery ever goes dead that's the first thing you should check how did she not noticed the door open light.

@TheCrazy243

3 жыл бұрын

@@neilmurphy845 there no door light . Which it weird. It should be on but there nothing on dash. Well, just check engine light and brake light.

@TheCrazy243

3 жыл бұрын

@@neilmurphy845 plus it got wiring problems. There been cut and missing so that car need a lot of work.

@neilmurphy845

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheCrazy243 Omg that poor car she's lucky her battery at the front of the car where her back lights working ok.

@neilmurphy845

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheCrazy243 Hope her brakes we're ok

I finally bought myself a scope for a problem similar to this on a GM 3.5L 5 cyl. Also new timing components. This had only one phaser, so not as complicated. Problem turned out to be oil pressure related. Fully hot and coming to an idle, the phaser's pin would not go into its lock position, it just freewheeled, causing a stall. Adding a oil thickener made the problem less severe, but was still there. Having a scope to see what is happening in real time is amazing, as long as you know what you are seeing! Ivan, you are an automotive god!

excellent diagnosis as usual Ivan. Thank you for sharing. You are getting dangerously close to 100k subs. congratulations.

Impressive diagnosis and case study. Saving and using old wave forms comes in handy.

Ivan, once again your mental and mechanical abilities show through. Thanks for the adventure - was fun.

Epic as is the habit, Well done Ivan.

That was superb diagnosis and conclusion. Not many mechanics/technicians could diagnose the problem w/o dismantling the engine. Congrats.

Great case study. Always wondered how those phasers worked. You can definitely see how it’s really more important on today’s cars to have clean oil.

Nicely sorted Ivan . Have to be very careful when doing the timing . One little part not correct puts everything off 👍👍👍

Nice job Ivan, Sunday morning is starting out nice with a video from you and Eric from South Main Auto!!! I wish we had scopes 25 years ago when I was going thru Automotive School and starting as a GM tech!!!

Ivan shows that a Picoscope is nothing without the knowledge to use it! Great find without actually undoing any parts!

Amazing job, Ivan you are a master of detail and diagnosis, I need you in Mississippi!

Great Job !You're the Sleuth of Automotive Diagnostics! No one comes close.

I like the way you dissect problems. And parts. Awesome work. I want to get a pico scope. Man I hope when I do I can read it and maneuver it like you. 👍🏽👍🏽

Great diagnosis, very in-depth. Go’s to show you watch your parts. Do investigate!!!

ill be darned,that is TOP detective work Ivan. thumbs UP

Hi Ivan . Some of your most interesting work is when you tear down the old parts.Never stop doing it because that’s what I do with every thing that I s broken. My guess is the problem my be in a week spring . Or something restricting movement thanks AL .

I'd imagine that the failure point would be the timing wheel moving on the shaft or the pin potentially breaking. Excellent diagnosis Ivan. Lot's of fun to watch and learn from!

Very in depth diagnosis 👌 well done 👏

Ivan i really enjoyed this video. You made look as easy as bernie with the e scope. Excellent

What an awesome diag,you are a master of the craft,thanks for vid keep them coming!

More top CSI action from Pine Hollow. Well sleuthed Ivan!

Ivans the best thing since baseball, hot dogs and apple pie, what a super genius!

Competence and determination, a powerful force!

Fantastic diagnosis, Ivan. As always 😁

Superb diagnostic work 👍

Nice work spotting that sprocket and that it was the right and not the left side one some people would have looked a long time to figure those mistakes out i have to say great work Ivan on this one .....

Great job again Ivan! You are tenacious at getting to the root cause. I have a 2013 Traverse I love learning how they work to KEEP them working. I greatly appreciate your time and dedication.

Ivan, what a great diag! Very much enjoyed the detective work.

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Brian!

Ivan is out of this world

Just saw this video. The leading edge of the small finger will line up different in relation to the gear tooth. It will ba a half tooth off between left and right side. Also, depending on the year, some engines have an update thickness of gear spacer on the cam. If you go from a 5 bolt gear to a 4 bolt gear, the spacer is different. The spacer keeps the cam gear in line with the other gears. Love your channel!

Ivan, you are a genius 👍

Cool case study and finally catching up to your Florida trip I’ve been wanting to go flying since I first ran across Tucker Gott’s channel a few years ago 🤙😎✌️

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics

3 жыл бұрын

Nice! Spring is almost here, would be cool to go flying again :)

Ivan you are a truly great to watch thank you so much soon you will be like bernie thompson

What a great mechanic i love your videos

I've had to take subaru ones apart after engine failure as the grinding paste of bearing swarf gets into the vanes and makes it seize up. It's locked into base position by a pin which is pushed to unlock by the oil pressure. Great design

BRILLIANT WORK!!!

Cam phasers are mighty resilient things, I own a 2011 Kia carnival, I think you call them Sedona. One of my phasers has been rattling on startup for about 4 years now. The car runs great after that, no codes, no power loss. I am a mechanic myself so thats why I haven't fixed it and the economics of it.

@Rein_Ciarfella

3 жыл бұрын

I kept trying to guess what that sound on cold startup was. Interesting.

@dosgos

3 жыл бұрын

I tried Mobil 1 Full synthetic & rattling noise on start up completely disappeared. Good semi-synthetic oil did not do the trick. This was a 1.8 Ecotec (also famous for rattling cam phasers on start up are also a problem)

Not familiar with the current HP lineup, but I hope that's a Probook at least... you'll be nobody's _Envy_ with their consumer crap. Great diagnosis again... I love automotive detective work like this. :)

Great detective work Ivan.

Great video , thanks for the great info.

Best automotive Detective 🕵️‍♂️

Excellent diagnosis

Awesome job Ivan cheers

Great case study Ivan and indeed according to Tasca Parts the left GM part # is 12684831 which is missing in the parts available from Rockauto. Thanks for this as it's another reason I am going to be getting a Pico for my garage.

great video i agree with miles you are the wizard that does the extra mile.

nice one Ivan great content as always

Great case Ivan

Got this issue with my Subaru Tribeca, P0016 & P0016. Valve oil solenoids replaced, CEL back after 30 miles. Your tools are way more advanced than mine, I'm not a mechanic by trade.

Ivan is numero uno!

Great diagnostic ! Thank you 👍👍

Wow. I would've had to take it apart to diagnose that. I need to level up.

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics

3 жыл бұрын

The PicoScope is awesome to see everything without getting your hands dirty :)

I have to admit, I mixed up one of these phasers. I put an intake phaser on the exhaust bank 2. Dumb, but lesson learned. The 3.6l is a little tricky to do chains on. Bank 2 is tough to align the dots properly. Good news is I can now do one of these jobs in about 4 hours.

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics

3 жыл бұрын

Wow 4 hours is amazing!

This is a great example about repairs that involve very little "invasive" activity to another persons property in attempts to diagnose and repair an issue. I'm very sure most shops would have been tearing down the customers engine and messing with vacuum hoses, fittings, electrical, maybe coolant hoses etc. in attempts to find the problem visually before performing Ivan's method. What's worse, once it's torn down and the technician can't determine the fault, then what? Put the parts back together and then run a Pico diagnosis? LOL. I'm sure it has been done that way. This is why there are so many customers looking for decent repair shops, that have daily expensive overhead costs, to take the noodle approach to diagnosis. No invasive tear downs, no collateral damage getting the tear down and reassembly process completed and all that comes with it. Pin pointing the concern first and then going into the best "logical" fault for repair makes the most sense. All it takes is that the technician is trained enough to take this type of methodology and determine the most logical failure. I'm almost sure that out of 10 legit shops, only 3 or 4 of them would have found the left and right phasers are different part numbers. Likely however, a GM dealership would know this and have done a good diagnosis since they work on these engines all day long. This is one thing to know for the DIY mechanics when buying parts on their own on line such as Rockauto. Spend much time looking at the parts available, from each maker, each part number and any notes written about the part such as "with Auto trans" or "RPO code F41" and so forth. Lots of folks cause their own problems right there in reading about the parts available and ordering them without fully knowing if the webpage is accurate or not. It's worth the trouble to find the GM part numbers first and then going to Rockauto for the price break. This was an honest mistake however, lots of DIY will likely fall into this trap also.

@Dirtyharry70585

3 жыл бұрын

Goes for any oem pn vs web sale.

Thanks for helping us 🙏

Great job Iven .

This guy is a wizard!

Great investigatetive work

Ivan, THE Sherlock Holmes of auto diagnostics..👍👍

Excellent video series as always Ivan!...love the in depth scope measurements...and the phaser teardown... worn locking pin spring tension, pin wear, pin bore wear, oil deposits causing actuation and deactivation issues, many things can be a failure overall; especially considering there are four phasing cams, but considering the labor involved with the job...it's just not worth taking a chance on those phasers...👏 Clean every orifice thoroughly when you are in there, critical for the longterm performance and less chance of a return for timing issues IMHO. Those clocked position differences on the intake phasers always gets um 🙃...it's explained in SI... Annnnnnnd this - is - why we should buy GM genuine parts from a CERTIFIED vendor and follow the SI...alot of scams out there on all platforms...there is no need to add to the variables, the process of timing it, and theeeeennnn we have to redo a major job like this AGAIN...very costly...😉...in either case...just a thought 😀

Brilliant diag Ivan!Scope and math is the answer!

Gear location? Maybe wrong part number installed. Yes, I like the way you do the cam timing diagnostics with the Pico, Well done.

Ivan, u r the master!

Great diag just at the right Time! I'm working on a 2009 Saturn outlook with the 3.6, vehicle came in not running for over a year and no codes because the battery was dead for almost the same amount of time, I did as many test as I could i.e relative compression, low side fuel pressure, and spark I noticed that the high side fuel pressure was only reaching about 72psi which was the same as the low side, I installed a new high pressure pump and got it to run but only above 1200 rpms it would not idle plus it was backfiring thru the intake and misfiring on cylinders 2,4, and 6 bank two was not contributing at all. Scan data was giving me p0116, p0118 and p0119 plus misfire codes on bank 2, put the pico scope on it and found that it was out of time more than likely timing chain issue right? Customer gave the go ahead to do the chains, pulled engine, removed timing cover, rotated engine to verify timiming marks what seemed like two dozen revolutions it appeared to be one tooth off on bank 2 at the idler sprocket. I installed new chains and tensioner but not phasers, put everything back together and it still ran the same way :( At this point I was ready to pull it back down and install phasers at no labor cost to the customer only the parts. I backed away for a couple of days to work on other vehicles and think about this one. I decided to try and gather more information off of my scan and the Internet iatn, indentafix etc. Couldn't really find anything under Saturn or chevy traverse all my scan data was showing OK on the circuits and 0 on the cam timing. After watching part 1 of this video is decided to see if I could accuate the cam phasers at 1200 rpms because it would not idle still, luckily the verus would do the test at 1100 rpms, I found no movement on the three cams that were setting correlation codes because the were already what looked like full advanced according to my waveforms, then tried to bi directionally control, KOEO the solenoids, no control I decided to check circuit integrity and saw my noid light shining brightly found pcm was internally bad, I left the solenoids unplugged, started engine and it ran smooth at idle! Sorry this was a long one but this one was a real head scratcher , I want my customer to watch part 2 so he can see how the phasers work. Thank you once again!

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics

3 жыл бұрын

Excellent diagnostics! So the PCM was keeping the solenoids energized all the time? The scope shows everything :)

@dans_Learning_Curve

3 жыл бұрын

Great write up!

@throttletherapy9998

3 жыл бұрын

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics yes it was , I disconnected the pcm and the noid light went out

@Thunderroad8517

3 жыл бұрын

@@throttletherapy9998 thanks for your story. So you used noid lights at your oil solenoids for each cam??? Thanks in advance for your reply.

@throttletherapy9998

3 жыл бұрын

@@Thunderroad8517 yes that is correct, I installed new pcm this afternoon, but before I plugged in the solenoids I wanted to see if the noid would light up, key on engine off they did but very dimly, I reconnected all solenoids, started engine and the vehicle purrs like a kitten!

Wow what great detective work. To be honest I was learning towards a aftermarket mistake because it's a dime a dozen. When you pulled up the pics I knew you nailed it. I'm dealing with a braking issue myself with a customers car now. Its kicking my a$$ because I dont see anything wrong. He says its taking longer to stop but it stops on a dime for me. I did a wheel bearing, pads and rotors. After about 3 weeks he said it started taking longer to stop. I thought maybe abs but it's not activating. I have to wash my hands because I dont feel or see anything. I cant fix something I can't duplicate. I even had 3 different people drive it to see if they felt anything.

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics

3 жыл бұрын

Weird. Maybe the customer is crazy haha. Check for seized caliper pins?

@lovetolearn5253

3 жыл бұрын

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics OMG, I called the customer yesterday and said I scuffed up the rotors and changed the pads just to see what he says. I asked if he would go for a ride with me to see what's going on and if anything changed. I'm not joking he said the problem was fixed. I did nothing to the van I just said that to see if it was in his head. Obviously I didn't charge him for anything because I did nothing. I didn't even take the tire off. He even called 20 mins ago and said its worked great all day. Keep in mind he said it wasn't Intermitted, it happened every time he stopped. It's been to multiple shops and mine 3 times. I have never had that happen.

Great Diags. Bigggg 'Ooooops' by the owner. --it happens. I start my PPG training next month in Lake Wales 👍😎👍

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics

3 жыл бұрын

Have fun, IT'S A BLAST!!!!

Wow, very impressive diagnosis. Most mechanics would not be able to do it.

The best tool is not in a toolbox, it`s in your head and you use it well Ivan. Amazing logic. this is why I drive old junk. Just had transmission rebuilt(ouch) after 300,000 miles. Crawled under my 91 C1500 and found a bad trans cooler line. Got a used 700r4 9 months ago, it lost reverse 2 weeks ago and had to have original rebuilt. 1700 bucks at Broadway transmission in Red Lion pa, but 3yr/100,000 mile warranty. Was going to swap it today...nope. New cooler lines ordered, swap will have to wait till I get them.

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics

3 жыл бұрын

I bought my Suzuki XL7 in Red Lion, PA back in 2011! Sketchy small car lot haha

Man you’re sharp 👏🏻👏🏻

Came here because of Todd from UnWrecked. Now I'm a subscriber!

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics

3 жыл бұрын

Welcome to the channel!

I'm pretty sure the service data has the instructions oddly backwards. I'm not 100% sure. But I remember that the instructions say that the left side of the engine is being labeled left as if you were looking at the engine from the rear. So left and right are labeled as if you were looking at the engine from the back. Which, again, is unique to this engine. Nobody labels their instructions like that. Point being that it can be confusing.

@stevenoman8094

3 жыл бұрын

New labeling needed besides L and R. Dvr and pax (which is what I say & write)? In aviation I always say: capt and FO. I've seen this L/R dichotomy cause so many problems, not just in aircraft or auto maintenance but also when driving or particularly teaching flying.

Good Stuff Brotha. You Really put your skills to work on that one. 🍻💯

Nice job as always

Good Stuff!!! Re: HP. Laptop. Mine nearly 9 years in service and one of the hinges failed.I am still using it but must leave it open at all times.Suggest you minimise opening and closing of yours for maximum length of service!!!Or of course you could repair HP hinge!

Awesome job very interesting

Level 60 mechanic. Now can wear ATS 8 channel scope. Cheers Ivan.

great job ,Ivan.Your skills are matched only by your ability to explain and communicate to THE AVERAGE MECHANIC how to diagnose an issue.I can see 95% of dyi's and make believe mechanics loading the parts canon may times on this one.I think i hear the theme song>>OH OH OH ORILEY AUTO PARTS playing in the background.haha The pico scope payed for itself on this one!!!

Ivan, you should have been a heart surgeon! ;-)

Thank you for this fine analysis,

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics

3 жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

Nice investigative work!

Great find, I knew you would nail it LOL

your the man keep up the great job

Well done!

Very impressed I love the way you think doesn't surprise me the part was wrong and the supplier didn't even list the other phaser. That would have stumped 99.9 percent of mechanics.

@Rein_Ciarfella

3 жыл бұрын

Except those paying very close attention to markings who also have a thorough knowledge of the theory of operation of those phasers in relation to intake and exhaust cams? Easy to make a mistake if you're a parts cannon, I guess.

@zoticus1

3 жыл бұрын

Step one, gm parts only. Step two, closely inspect those parts before install!

your forgot to mention the most important tool you used. your noodle!

out of all the 3.6 timing chain jobs i've done, i've never replaced the phaser. (i have seen bad phasers on brand new vehicles, and i know they can go bad.) Usually i verify first or second design and replace the thrust washer and install the new chain kit. I'm wondering if the rattle he was hearing at start up was the timing chain tensioners before they filled up with oil to take out all the slack in the chain. you can replace the phaser with out taking the front cover off again, but the tools to do it are so sketchy and the first time i did it, the chain slipped and had to take it all appart anyways, most likely an error on my part. the scope is my weakness, we have one at the dealership but only for nvh, i'm going to invest in my own and practice with it. over the years i've watched you and Eric O use the scope and completly blown away on all the information. I have a snap on vantage pro and have used it from time to time, but the pico seems like a more user friendly tool, especially with the new pico scope out that knows what leads you plugged in. I just invested in my own MDI2 since the shop only has one, and i've been using my autel elite for years which has worked flawlessly but gm decided to force us to use an all in one software for gds2 and sps, si, and history, rpo codes, code scans... which is great in therory but the execution of the software is terrible, so many bugs and with me using a non supported gm scan tool i can't get technical assistance and its never the tool! its the stupid techline connect software!

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics

3 жыл бұрын

Awesome comment, never stop learning! The Pico is amazing for sure :)