Owen Jones meets Alastair Campbell - full length interview

Alastair Campbell was the mastermind behind the New Labour machine, the spin doctor who did his best to ensure Tony Blair and Gordon Brown's project was given the best coverage possible.
I met with him to talk about the final years of New Labour, discussing his reputation as an aggressive, Machiavellian schemer, his suspicions that Gordon Brown may have been involved in an attempted coup against Tony Blair and the fallout from the disastrous Iraq war.
We also discussed whether the years of stress working at the top of the political pile had contributed to Campbell's long-term suffering with mental health problems, including depression. He reveals his often violent dreams, including one involving Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and an axe.
In terms of today's politics Campbell told me about his surprise at Jeremy Corbyn's campaign for the 2017 general election, though he says he's yet to 'drink the Kool-Aid' when it comes to Labour's vision for Britain's future. He's especially critical on Brexit, where he believes Corbyn and John McDonnell should be doing more to stop Theresa May's rightwing Conservatives driving us off a 'cliff-edge'.
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  • @davieshire3698
    @davieshire36982 жыл бұрын

    Astonished at how childish Owen Jones is in this interview, does himself no favours. Uses it as a strange power-play at times when he realises Campbell is effortlessly dominating the discussion.

  • @namelessnobody7611

    @namelessnobody7611

    2 жыл бұрын

    Grown-up vs child.

  • @leeforsythgriffiths

    @leeforsythgriffiths

    4 ай бұрын

    Are you mad???… Owen owns this …end ov

  • @sheep3370

    @sheep3370

    4 ай бұрын

    @@leeforsythgriffiths Does he? Campbell was right in the end

  • @sockpuppet563
    @sockpuppet5634 жыл бұрын

    I'd like to see an updated 2020 version of this interview

  • @MidnightRambler

    @MidnightRambler

    4 жыл бұрын

    it would be the same..these people hate britain and love the EU and its banker friends.

  • @henridobbs2423

    @henridobbs2423

    4 жыл бұрын

    Joe Short you and me both Joe.

  • @chrislane5305

    @chrislane5305

    4 жыл бұрын

    Just about to write exactly this, it just looks 'so' naive now, the question is will Corbynistas concede that maybe they'd misread the lay of the land or will they just double down

  • @samcad-ho3ze

    @samcad-ho3ze

    3 жыл бұрын

    Jesus Christ Jones give him a chance to reply! 😡

  • @mobro538

    @mobro538

    3 жыл бұрын

    Chris Lane they’ll double down and find literally any reason to blame for their failure apart from Corbyn and his brand of politics. Whether it be “sabotaging from the Blairites”, the Murdoch Media, or that the country is just full of horrible racists, the blame will never be placed at the foot of Jeremy Corbyn, because doing so would mean acting as mature adults and accepting defeat. They’ll always believe they got it all right and they’ll never concede.

  • @Ben-bt6oc
    @Ben-bt6oc3 жыл бұрын

    "You must also accept that the fact that the Tory campaign was so bad...will be changed at the next election. And you've got to start to think ahead to that." Turned out to be spot on.

  • @dreamer2260

    @dreamer2260

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yep. Campbell as usual is correct.

  • @DisobedientSpaceWhale

    @DisobedientSpaceWhale

    2 жыл бұрын

    Owen was right about the potential electoral damage to Labour of not supporting Brexit referendum result though...

  • @soviet9366
    @soviet93663 жыл бұрын

    Owen should rewatch this. Everything Campbell warned him about came true

  • @DisobedientSpaceWhale

    @DisobedientSpaceWhale

    2 жыл бұрын

    Owen was right about the potential electoral damage to Labour of not supporting Brexit referendum result though...

  • @yenaskitegar3140

    @yenaskitegar3140

    2 жыл бұрын

    yeah, holyshit, if only alastair campbell is working for corbyn

  • @nectarinedreams7208

    @nectarinedreams7208

    Жыл бұрын

    @@yenaskitegar3140 Corbyn would be starting wars and licking the boot of the Americans

  • @johnbarrett915

    @johnbarrett915

    9 ай бұрын

    @@DisobedientSpaceWhale Nope! Corbyn supported a hard Brexit, which is what we now have, all to pander to a bunch of racists/xenophobes in 50 odd seats. At the next election, millions of people will refuse to vote Labour because of that hard brexit choice... People like me will never again vote Labour in London, because Labour is taking us for granted and letting the racists win...

  • @chrisharraway1425

    @chrisharraway1425

    9 ай бұрын

    @@johnbarrett915 Cobryn campaigned for remain....how do you get "hard Brexit" from that?!

  • @miketheliar1671
    @miketheliar16713 жыл бұрын

    This David Brent performance from Owen Jones is spot on.

  • @TheChairsniffer
    @TheChairsniffer6 жыл бұрын

    There are several million Corbyn voters who voted for Tony Blair not once but three times (including once after the invasion of Iraq) yet claim to have despised him forever

  • @Greataronski

    @Greataronski

    4 жыл бұрын

    And what was the alternative?

  • @MARlOKART

    @MARlOKART

    4 жыл бұрын

    Whiffy McBiffy this aged well mate.

  • @MultiformeIngegno
    @MultiformeIngegno3 жыл бұрын

    Alastair was brilliant. Owen showed how closed minded he is

  • @russellsimpson6852

    @russellsimpson6852

    2 жыл бұрын

    I was about to say the same thing

  • @robertdarby6553

    @robertdarby6553

    Жыл бұрын

    I find Alastair's podcast with Rory Stewart compulsive listening. They both come across as intelligent and thoughtful. Unfortunately, Owen Jones is still playing student politics.

  • @liborsionko

    @liborsionko

    Жыл бұрын

    The fact that he has to tell him on more than one occasion 'it's more complicated than that' is significant. A bit like a father son debate. Owen reducing every situation and failing to grasp the inevitable nuance that actual life experience teaches us. He talks like a student of politics and no more.

  • @craigusmaximus2
    @craigusmaximus26 жыл бұрын

    Christ, Owen didn't come out of that well. Passive-agressive snideness off the chart.

  • @rodoherty1

    @rodoherty1

    5 жыл бұрын

    Totally! Owen was so much calmer and adult, frankly, in his interview with Peter Hitchenson two years before.

  • @TellyWatcher1997

    @TellyWatcher1997

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@rodoherty1 I suspect that Owen is closer to Hitchens in his politics than he (Owen Jones) would care to admit.

  • @samcad-ho3ze

    @samcad-ho3ze

    3 жыл бұрын

    He rendered it unwatchable. I gave up I couldn’t handle Owens obnoxiousness on this one.

  • @happy.squirrel
    @happy.squirrel6 жыл бұрын

    Love how within three minutes he basically admits to being Malcolm Tucker 👌

  • @ZOD4
    @ZOD46 жыл бұрын

    Far too much sexual tension in this one, keep more on topic next time please.

  • @entidadewolf

    @entidadewolf

    4 жыл бұрын

    That's the only thing watchable about it

  • @jonathankay2379
    @jonathankay23793 жыл бұрын

    Pretty sure comments are getting deleted here

  • @Daedthr
    @Daedthr4 жыл бұрын

    Well this didn't age well for Owen...

  • @nilmagnifico8121

    @nilmagnifico8121

    4 жыл бұрын

    Watch it again?

  • @th8257
    @th82574 жыл бұрын

    Alistair Campbell got it absolutely right about how the dynamics of the 2019 election would play out.

  • @scorchgid

    @scorchgid

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hate to say it but yeah, I think we also faced a more serious opponent this time they actually went for us and we had less defense.

  • @MrJohndory111

    @MrJohndory111

    2 жыл бұрын

    He did, but he also supported a second ref, a policy which killed labour

  • @ForwardMcburn
    @ForwardMcburn6 жыл бұрын

    You were bit of a jerk about being late

  • @connorovington6013

    @connorovington6013

    6 жыл бұрын

    ForwardMcburn Being late is more forgivable than the Iraq war, though

  • @humblebugg5270

    @humblebugg5270

    6 жыл бұрын

    Connor Ovington i tried that with my manager the other day.......didn't go down well.

  • @olliebaum

    @olliebaum

    6 жыл бұрын

    There's a GQ video where Alistair Campbell is interviewing Owen and Owen was late for that interview too. :D You'd think he'd be a little apologetic second time round, but instead less than thirty seconds after getting through the door he whips out "You've got to plan for things, have you? Like Iraq?". Hahaha

  • @ollie2665

    @ollie2665

    6 жыл бұрын

    At least we did something. The anti-war movement doesn't have a great track record, Rwanda, DRC, Israel, Afghanistan, Iraq from 1979-2003 If you would stand and watch Saddam Hussein and his crimes, you are the one that has explaining to do.

  • @leikfroakies

    @leikfroakies

    6 жыл бұрын

    Ollie Not our problem. I feel bad for the people who suffered under Hussain but we have no right to be the world police especially when we're so chummy with Saudi Arabia

  • @1ironmikeoc
    @1ironmikeoc6 жыл бұрын

    Campbell gives the best political interviews

  • @dreamer2260
    @dreamer22603 жыл бұрын

    Owen Jones is overcompensating badly for lack of natural/instinctive bravado, and it comes across as arrogant in this interview.

  • @tomd5678
    @tomd567810 ай бұрын

    Difference between Owen Jones and Alastair Campbell is that Campbell wants to know the truth and Owen wants what he believes in to be true

  • @colinstephen2018
    @colinstephen20186 жыл бұрын

    I like Campbells honesty, you can see he quite clearly is still very passionate about the Labour party and will say what he thinks whether it's the fashionable thing or not.

  • @Swift-mr5zi
    @Swift-mr5zi3 жыл бұрын

    Campbell was so correct in this

  • @DisobedientSpaceWhale

    @DisobedientSpaceWhale

    2 жыл бұрын

    Owen was right about the potential electoral damage to Labour of not supporting Brexit referendum result though...

  • @iangascoigne8231

    @iangascoigne8231

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@DisobedientSpaceWhale How many times did you post this comment?

  • @DisobedientSpaceWhale

    @DisobedientSpaceWhale

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@iangascoigne8231 I can't remember, it was 10 months ago.

  • @iangascoigne8231

    @iangascoigne8231

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@DisobedientSpaceWhale You really needed to come up with something else.

  • @iangascoigne8231

    @iangascoigne8231

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@DisobedientSpaceWhale Yes you did. You posted the same comment numerous times in different threads.

  • @oliversedgwick1523
    @oliversedgwick15232 жыл бұрын

    The way these two personalities play off eachother is very very entertaining. Hopefully there is another one of these interviews in the works.

  • @vanisha6000

    @vanisha6000

    Жыл бұрын

    alistar campbell interviewed owen jones for gq a while ago it's just as enjoyable to watch

  • @user-ue1gl6gi8e

    @user-ue1gl6gi8e

    5 ай бұрын

    Social democracy socdems

  • @mildlydispleased3221

    @mildlydispleased3221

    4 ай бұрын

    Owen's gone mad now, I don't think he even does interviews anymore.

  • @oliverhardman3513
    @oliverhardman35133 жыл бұрын

    An idealist meets a pragmatist

  • @attackpatterndelta8949

    @attackpatterndelta8949

    Жыл бұрын

    Owen Jones is too left wing for this country. His brand of politics will never win a party an election or be in office.

  • @BenWillock
    @BenWillock6 жыл бұрын

    Can't tell if they hate each other or are flirting :/

  • @johnproton259
    @johnproton2592 ай бұрын

    It must be painful for many concerned, that Alistair Campbell not only comes out of this very very well as a principled and likeable guy, but also as a guy who has been proved right by recent history. 💯

  • @TheFunnyhouston
    @TheFunnyhouston3 жыл бұрын

    I love how Owen Jones walk in with the thick of it style jokes 😂

  • @peterblowfield8632

    @peterblowfield8632

    3 жыл бұрын

    the camera shakes are spot on

  • @attackpatterndelta8949

    @attackpatterndelta8949

    Жыл бұрын

    I must have missed that bit.

  • @lauramarcus2063
    @lauramarcus20636 жыл бұрын

    Fascinating. Huge difference between being in government and doing stuff and standing on the sidelines throwing things at those who are doing stuff.

  • @tootingchas
    @tootingchas6 жыл бұрын

    Currently admiring Campbell's patience and restraint

  • @Altoids101
    @Altoids1016 жыл бұрын

    Just to clarify Owen Jones hates new labour

  • @yungstasag

    @yungstasag

    6 жыл бұрын

    lol this buffoon OJ would rather sit crying on the sidelines than make the country fairer as new labour did.

  • @trakrekkid

    @trakrekkid

    6 жыл бұрын

    I lold

  • @attackpatterndelta8949

    @attackpatterndelta8949

    Жыл бұрын

    @@yungstasag it’s the only way he’s be able to stay relevant.

  • @thomasoehrling
    @thomasoehrling6 жыл бұрын

    Owen Jones is extremely closed minded starting to lose interest in the guy.

  • @Zavala1
    @Zavala16 жыл бұрын

    I'm going to watch this. I want to watch this. However, even in the first 30 second Owen Jones comes across as thoroughly unlikeable and infantile. It's difficult to proceed impartially when the interviewer's opening gambit leaves you feeling nauseous; he's acting like he's the 'funny one' in his group of friends but outwith that circle one discovers he is more than a mite cretinous. I will plod on...

  • @fishjj76

    @fishjj76

    3 жыл бұрын

    Well said.

  • @samsstreets8684
    @samsstreets86846 жыл бұрын

    SUPERB interview. Both came across really well and seemed to have a great chemistry despite their differences. A fascinating watch.

  • @Jay92925

    @Jay92925

    Жыл бұрын

    “Both came across really well” were you watching something else to the rest of us. Owen comes across as a child despite being in his 30s. It’s a disgrace he is paid as a journalist and calls himself one.

  • @Jason-mf3rt
    @Jason-mf3rt6 жыл бұрын

    "I dont have time to listen to Tony Blair" 2 minutes later quotes Tony Blair in an interview

  • @thomasmohan9565

    @thomasmohan9565

    4 жыл бұрын

    Jason I think he was being pithy

  • @davidcooks2379
    @davidcooks23793 жыл бұрын

    This interview made me lose respect for Owen Jones. He doesn't want to watch the interview with Tony Blair? They guy who won 3 elections? Like the left doesn't want to learn at all. Being rude for being corrected on grammar? Like he didn't want to learn when he was at school. Sounds like he is representing the babies who grew older but never grew up. I think he has changed in the last 3 years (watching it in 2020, 3 years after this interview).

  • @davidcooks2379

    @davidcooks2379

    3 жыл бұрын

    And he didn't even apologise for being late

  • @davidcooks2379

    @davidcooks2379

    3 жыл бұрын

    And of course Alastair Campbell is a very smart guy

  • @Natural_law_lawyer

    @Natural_law_lawyer

    3 жыл бұрын

    this was a few months after Campbell interviewed Owen for GQ and Campbell wiped the floor with Owen.

  • @williamj8349
    @williamj83497 ай бұрын

    Goodness me, I would find it hard to believe that OJ can watch this back without squirming with embarrassment.

  • @angiepedley7191
    @angiepedley71916 жыл бұрын

    I can't understand what's happened to you Owen. You used to be thoughtful, friendly, polite. You were rude to Alastair. You certainly should have apologised profusely for being late. Your questions were odd, aggressive, overtly hostile. I'm disappointed.

  • @iainmclaughlan1557

    @iainmclaughlan1557

    5 жыл бұрын

    Angie Pedley he needs to be treated with respect, I would have apologised for being late.

  • @GoldnDusty

    @GoldnDusty

    5 жыл бұрын

    I know this is a year and a half later, but I see Alastair and Owen as two people who passionately and even viciously disagree with one another, but take great pleasure in slight barbed attacks. Campbell isn’t passive here, he’s just a lot more skilful in the manner of his attacks on Jones’ views, as I would expect of the former King of Spin.

  • @francisr8563

    @francisr8563

    4 жыл бұрын

    flower nct You mean between the Labour Party and new labour.

  • @nhoj3457

    @nhoj3457

    4 жыл бұрын

    I have the impression that they enjoy / like each other, despite their disagreements.

  • @stuhamilton8250
    @stuhamilton82506 жыл бұрын

    Enjoyed the interview. Good questions Owen. Mr Campbell is a pro and handles this with ease. Keep them coming Owen, I love the channel. Well done Alistair with your work on mental health

  • @theshyguitarist4536
    @theshyguitarist45366 жыл бұрын

    I consider myself a lefty, and I'm not saying I agree with everything Alistair stands by and his values, but I think the interview was a bit overly hostile to him than necessary. He does have a set if beliefs about the way the modern world works and has his doubts about Corbyn, I think it's important to at least hear what he has to say. He does make some valid points about how the level of scrutiny under the next labour manifesto for a future election will be far more substantial, and we need to be prepared for that. I'm not saying we sacrafice our values or anything like that, I too was left feeling disenfranchised during the Blair and Brown administration when a reversal of some of Thatcher's most punishing policies did not go through like I wanted. But let's at least understand the challenges we face going into the next election and better prepare to meet those demands so we can secure primeminster Corbyn

  • @cinesimonj

    @cinesimonj

    6 жыл бұрын

    Alistair disagrees with you - he's made it clear to people lie you that he's a big boy, used to debating like an adult, and is even a little baffled by responses like yours. What the hell is wrong with serious, strenuous debate and disagreement?

  • @peteradaniel

    @peteradaniel

    6 жыл бұрын

    Did you see the previous interview they did? He was pretty hostile to Owen.

  • @ac1dP1nk

    @ac1dP1nk

    6 жыл бұрын

    you have a read about the history of iraq, say from ww2 to the present and come back. and i wouldnt announce your ideology at the beginning of a post, fair or unfair it comes across as a lame defence of your following remarks

  • @theshyguitarist4536

    @theshyguitarist4536

    6 жыл бұрын

    Alex Daniel I haven't seen the other interview. If true, I don't think it makes a difference anyway because two wrongs don't make a right. One of the many factors that drew me to Corbyn was his move away from what he refers to as "personality" politics. He doesn't promote the nonsense insults and one-off jokes that recent Tory leaders use during PMQs all the time. Cameron and May hurled abuse at him at every turn and kept trying to rip apart his credibility. But he stayed true to his values and didn't retaliate, and I think it was admired greatly. I feel like this tone needs to be adopted more during debates (particularly for debaters on the left) to demonstrate we can rise above the insults that the opposition makes.

  • @theshyguitarist4536

    @theshyguitarist4536

    6 жыл бұрын

    ac1dP1nk I never mentioned Iraq in my comment, I imagine we agree that the war was illegal, unnecessary and the aftermath was just a mess. Remember we are on the same page here politically (we share the same square on the compass). I want to see Prime minister Corbyn come the next election, and I'm not even making a criticism on him specifically. I'm trying to offer my two cents on where I think left can improve further and gain the little more support we need to enter government. Simply willing to debate the issues maturely and be able to listen and address the concerns of those very close to joining the ship will go a long way towards achieving this. Not saying that the majority don't do this, but occasionally interviews like this demonstrate somewhat what I'm saying and I think it can make our cause come across more childish than it really is.

  • @jimd7547
    @jimd75473 жыл бұрын

    I wonder how Owen Jones feels after Labour did suffer their worst election defeat post WW2 under Jeremy Corbyn as he used in this interview against Alastair Campbell. Owen's refusal to even listen or try to understand other politicians point of views i.e. Tony Blair and Nick Clegg in this interview highlights the key issue in todays society where people are so intolerant of other people's views.

  • @JD-Media

    @JD-Media

    3 жыл бұрын

    Owen is so in denial over his beliefs there's no way he accepted the 2019 election result as being Corbyn's or the far left's fault.

  • @DisobedientSpaceWhale

    @DisobedientSpaceWhale

    2 жыл бұрын

    Owen was right about the potential electoral damage to Labour of not supporting Brexit referendum result though...

  • @alexharrison9340

    @alexharrison9340

    9 ай бұрын

    Some folk just don't want to tolerate mass murderers and war criminals, I guess.

  • @bookie5667
    @bookie56676 жыл бұрын

    Owen, I'm new to your channel. I started by watching your interview of Peter Hitchens, then Anna Soubery ....IMO this is the worst interview of the 3. In this interview your disrespect and bias clearly shows, yet this guy is politically a lot closer to your opinions. Why can't you conduct a dispassionate interview with the people on the left like you do with those on the right? This is terrible

  • @oliverturner4330
    @oliverturner43306 жыл бұрын

    Can't take Owen Jones seriously, think he let him self down with teenage quips

  • @grahamjohnson2559

    @grahamjohnson2559

    4 жыл бұрын

    Owen Jones has I feel a fixed personality , he's never grown up . He's still an immature student , yet he s mid to late 30s ! That is a worrying thing .

  • @RoderickMCox
    @RoderickMCox6 жыл бұрын

    20 minutes in, where is your professionalism Jones? Arrived late, asks questions in a deliberately insulting way, tells Alistair what he should think. This is a pattern when Owen interviews people he doesn't like, viewers might not like campbell either, but its not an excuse for poor journalism.

  • @stevenclark6209

    @stevenclark6209

    6 жыл бұрын

    Roderick Cox I totally agree

  • @marksieving7925

    @marksieving7925

    6 жыл бұрын

    Actually, it seems clear to me that these two like each other, despite their different opinions. They're having a conversation between equals, rather than a formal question and answer. I'm American, so I don't know how much this is typical in the UK, but I find it refreshing.

  • @nnaeru

    @nnaeru

    6 жыл бұрын

    Roderick Cox Poor professionalism not journalism. Owen is a great gonzo journalist, since when do you need to be a professional to be any good at that?

  • @coldblowcode

    @coldblowcode

    6 жыл бұрын

    Have to agree, am generally a fan of Owen, but some of this interview feels immature and unprofessional - particularly in the first half - second half seems to improve

  • @erzan

    @erzan

    6 жыл бұрын

    Who said you need to be kind and polite in an interview?

  • @TellyWatcher1997
    @TellyWatcher19974 жыл бұрын

    Campbell is a brilliant strategic thinker and is peerless in his knowledge of conducting campaigns. I also think that Campbell is far less machiavellian than he's made out to be.

  • @maxmalarkey1132
    @maxmalarkey11323 жыл бұрын

    OJ is so simple-minded. Say what you like about Campbell but he's in a different class.

  • @alexharrison9340

    @alexharrison9340

    9 ай бұрын

    Thanks, Campbell is a war criminal and mass murderer, he's in the same class as Blair, Bush and Putin.

  • @adamcummings20
    @adamcummings20Ай бұрын

    30 seconds in and I never want to hear of Owen Jones ever again.

  • @michaelwalkling8851
    @michaelwalkling88516 жыл бұрын

    One of the best interviews I've seen you do. Asked a lot of the questions that I've wanted to know the answer too, in contrast to the last interview with Al. Good work.

  • @jamesjohnson2394
    @jamesjohnson23946 жыл бұрын

    Never heard a whisper from the right wing loons when Blair were in charge and Campbell was our Machiavelli. They did a hell of a lot of good for this country, Look at us now. We're fucked. They gave the DUP a billion and we still can't build a lead over them! The right rule and we're about to plunged into more hysterical illogical right wing ideological nonsense. i'd have him back in a flash.

  • @heartson4878

    @heartson4878

    6 жыл бұрын

    hear hear

  • @HarryGilbert2
    @HarryGilbert26 жыл бұрын

    Owen, in general I love what you are about. But this interview should be lesson for you in the future. As emotional as you may feel towards a particular person or subject, try to always remain professional and objective. Peace

  • @PeterCamberwick

    @PeterCamberwick

    3 жыл бұрын

    I don't love what he's about, and he's always emotional and never remains professional and objective. Lol

  • @ChrisGamble
    @ChrisGamble5 ай бұрын

    Alistair Cambell proved right over the majority of this debate but still was a fabulous session. Owen would be great on "The Rest is Politics"

  • @NaiiFluur
    @NaiiFluur6 жыл бұрын

    Owen has gone full Corbynista.

  • @tombows6980

    @tombows6980

    6 жыл бұрын

    NaiiFluur maybe, but Owen has always been very anti Blair.

  • @miraclmaker

    @miraclmaker

    6 жыл бұрын

    TOM Bows and Alli stair is pro blair, and blair killed many and still tries to sway democracy in this country

  • @genetesick

    @genetesick

    6 жыл бұрын

    what a pity....

  • @toriesout2702

    @toriesout2702

    6 жыл бұрын

    And that is a great thing!

  • @FrogSkull

    @FrogSkull

    6 жыл бұрын

    The trouble is not that he supports Corbyn, but that it feels as though he isn't ever going to criticise him, for example about his failures on Europe.

  • @nathanclark4140
    @nathanclark41406 жыл бұрын

    Loved this interview, great dynamic. Very telling on where the differences in Labour lay currently. I think Alistair was spot on for most of this.

  • @stephenturner7259
    @stephenturner72596 жыл бұрын

    I normally enjoy Owen's interviews - but this was flippant, petulant, petty point scoring journalism at it's worst. Glib off hand comments which in some cases were distasteful. This could have been a really good interview - ruined by Owen clearly trying constantly to get one over on AC.

  • @nkenchington6575

    @nkenchington6575

    5 жыл бұрын

    its, not it's

  • @mmmpljms

    @mmmpljms

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@nkenchington6575 He's a descriptivist

  • @thomasmohan9565

    @thomasmohan9565

    4 жыл бұрын

    Stephen Turner I think he was just being pithy. They clearly disagree on political grounds but they also clearly get along

  • @th8257

    @th8257

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@thomasmohan9565 didn't really work. It made him look petty and childish.

  • @scubasausage
    @scubasausage2 жыл бұрын

    Owen Jones represents everything that is wrong with the Labour party these days.

  • @jonnybingham1
    @jonnybingham14 жыл бұрын

    I respect Alistair campbell more from this interview than I did previously, and Jones less so.

  • @DannyMercer1993
    @DannyMercer19934 жыл бұрын

    I’ve seen some bad interviewers, talking over and answering their own question, being defensive and ranting, but wow Owen. This sucked.

  • @drewmark1618
    @drewmark16182 жыл бұрын

    I dont know if Owen Jones is arrogant in his ignorance or ignorant in his arrogance.

  • @DanONeillShamoan
    @DanONeillShamoan6 жыл бұрын

    An interview to remember. Excellent work.

  • @flamboyentpromotions3471
    @flamboyentpromotions34717 ай бұрын

    rewatching this now Owen was very naive,he should just sit back an take notes from Alistair, its like Alistairs schooling his little bro

  • @icarusflying1814
    @icarusflying18142 жыл бұрын

    Watching OJ squirm to justify his faux pas during the ‘less vs fewer’ segment was superb 😂

  • @thewrastler
    @thewrastler6 жыл бұрын

    I really enjoyed watching that. Could see there was a love-to-hate vibe coming from both of them

  • @Altoids101
    @Altoids1016 жыл бұрын

    This is an extremely captivating interview.

  • @Safinitzine
    @Safinitzine6 жыл бұрын

    Part II, the first one for GQ was brilliant. I really like how you interact with each other.

  • @jimmymyers8753

    @jimmymyers8753

    6 жыл бұрын

    Sebastian Aleksandriytzin Which one is most detested by the Serfs ??

  • @daverobertson623
    @daverobertson6232 жыл бұрын

    I love Owen preaching about how Corbyn was gonna transform Labour's fortune. I have a tip for everyone, if there are 59 numbers in the lottery, ask Owen to pick 52. Based on every video I have ever seen, he will get every single number wrong and boom, you're a winner.

  • @pottyprof
    @pottyprof6 жыл бұрын

    Good interview Owen. I don't usually have time for Alastair Campbell but for once this was quite entertaining and interesting.

  • @cuckingfunt9353

    @cuckingfunt9353

    6 жыл бұрын

    Cambell was plain formidable with just joviality.

  • @BabelSongs

    @BabelSongs

    6 жыл бұрын

    I agree, I could at least bear to watch this one

  • @forthrightgambitia1032
    @forthrightgambitia10325 жыл бұрын

    Amazingly Owen Jones comes across as by far the bigger tosspot in this encounter.

  • @wilverbal

    @wilverbal

    5 жыл бұрын

    It's sort of analogous to a Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah match in that regard.

  • @PeterCamberwick

    @PeterCamberwick

    3 жыл бұрын

    Not that amazing. It's generally the case. Lol

  • @attackpatterndelta8949

    @attackpatterndelta8949

    Жыл бұрын

    @@wilverbal always thought King Ghidorah was a massive tosspot.

  • @clevercat9774
    @clevercat97745 жыл бұрын

    Thing is Corbyn’s good for raising awareness about injustice, but he’s incapable of acting on it.

  • @warwickaldermanchannel2340
    @warwickaldermanchannel23404 жыл бұрын

    I read last week that Owen went to Oxford. He is a member of the Liberal, middle class Metro-Elite, who poses as a revolutionary.

  • @firstnamelastname9631
    @firstnamelastname96316 жыл бұрын

    I liked the interview. I found both interesting and intelligent. I've always been keen on Mr Campbell, no need to demonise him. Be grownups!

  • @dave07drummer
    @dave07drummer Жыл бұрын

    its entertaining to see such furious journalism played out so calmly

  • @maloholden7645
    @maloholden76454 жыл бұрын

    I think what’s slightly dishonest from Owen Jones is how on some issues (tax, public spending, nationalisation etc) he wants to stick to principles and ideology yet on Brexit he doesn’t, and is happy for Corbyn to fudge. I quite like Owen Jones, I think he’s got an interesting perspective but I think he falls too easily into the factional debates of the left, choosing to defend Corbyn rather than maintaining a consistent approach to how a labour leader should act.

  • @barmychap
    @barmychap6 жыл бұрын

    This is a pretty good interview - more thanks to Alastair Campbell's intellect and character than Owen Jones's incessant interruptions. I dislike much of what Campbell did and how but he gives a mature account of himself and (I shudder to say this) should have been given more respect by Owen Jones.

  • @Joker-yw9hl
    @Joker-yw9hl2 жыл бұрын

    I'm not a Campbell fan whatsoever but he does make me laugh

  • @alexharrison9340

    @alexharrison9340

    9 ай бұрын

    He is 'funny', as war criminals and mass murderers go.

  • @paulmorinart
    @paulmorinart5 жыл бұрын

    As a boy, he was delighted with the Blair government when it was elected. How people love to rewrite their own history...

  • @michaelgilday
    @michaelgilday6 жыл бұрын

    Alastair Campbell is right in much of what he said. I worked with asylum seekers from Kurdistan, many of them fled for their lives from the Iraqi regime. Saddam Hussein was gassing Kurdish villages and Marsh Arabs. The Kurdish I spoke with at the time were in full support for the war. The mistake was made by George Bush senior in not taking out the regime in 1990. The second mistake was the lack of planning for the future after the regime was toppled. The problem is does one intervene like in Syria or let these regimes kill their citizens and simply turn a blind eye and follow a pacifist role like Corbyn would do.

  • @charlespirate1
    @charlespirate1 Жыл бұрын

    Some of this has aged poorly for Owen.

  • @Thanateros82
    @Thanateros826 жыл бұрын

    I would pay good money for his dream journal.

  • @SR-mz4yq
    @SR-mz4yq2 жыл бұрын

    Owen we need a part 2

  • @MangoMen11
    @MangoMen113 жыл бұрын

    that Irag comment like 20 seconds in was a bit cringe tbh

  • @the4spielburgs

    @the4spielburgs

    3 жыл бұрын

    Was relatively funny come on

  • @samuelweller3394
    @samuelweller33944 жыл бұрын

    55:45 is why Campbell got to where he did and Owen is a journalist

  • @rainbowradicals5372
    @rainbowradicals53723 жыл бұрын

    Owen has no clue what people think about him. How would he know? Any criticism, however mild, any disagreement with him on social media & he blocks people. There is certainly someone in this interviews with Machiavellian traits

  • @rp1455
    @rp14556 жыл бұрын

    A lot of whinging about the tone of the debate in this comments section, but I would describe the tone as "cut-and-thrust". These are clearly two people who know each other and are well-acquainted, and are being open and candid about their views and arguments.

  • @rp1455

    @rp1455

    6 жыл бұрын

    Largesse1000 In what way do you believe they are deluded and self-serving? And do you believe that doesn't apply to centrist politicians (Alastair Campbell is a centrist by the way) and right-wing politicians?

  • @libertasdemocratiam887

    @libertasdemocratiam887

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@rp1455 Because people like then both, who have never been at the bottom of the damn pecking order of this country, Owen is a self confessed middle class lad, what gives him the right to speak for the working class whom he has no idea about the lives of, he went onto Oxford didn't study journalism yet works for the independent and guardian, whilst many working class background journalist can't get a job for these papers. His parents are very well nit into the labour party and have been for some time, so it's fair to say simply Owen too is part of the political elite he apparently hates so much. Add to that the little idiot claims that ALL journalist are entitled, private educated elites, yet wont apologise to journalist from working class backgrounds who are obviously not part of an elite as most simply work in their local areas for those newspapers, he did the thing he so outright hates stereotyping and clumping a mass of people into category. I can not for life of me no matter how i try like or agree with anything that comes out of his entitled mouth. How about he hands in his p45 at the guardian and let them take on a working class background journalist? He can go get a job in the thing he got his degree, apparently no matter what he does as a middle class lad, he wont fail and will always to better than the working class. Says it all really that he believes that yet he has a better job that working class lads and ladies who have had to work much harder to get to university and get a job, but some employees like the guardian only take those from the best universities like Oxford, the exact reason why Owen got the journalist jobs he has. Total hypocrisy is just unreal. He's entitled pure and simple, so much so he doesn't feel he has to apologise for being late, entitled little middle class, Oxford graduates don't have to apologise to anyone, friend, foe or otherwise.

  • @Vempsterful
    @Vempsterful6 жыл бұрын

    This man sent the ‘Dogy Dossier’ 13 page document saying Iraq had WMD’s. He went and sent this to all news outlets which led to the UK joining the US in the Iraq war resulting in 1 Million deaths.

  • @DJMavis
    @DJMavis6 жыл бұрын

    Isn't it remarkable just how like the Thick of It the start of this feels? Oh, and there's Tucker.

  • @scaratop7324
    @scaratop73246 жыл бұрын

    Fun fact: Malcolm Tucker was based on Alistair Campbell

  • @doesntmatter9996
    @doesntmatter99966 жыл бұрын

    this duo is marvellous!!

  • @randomsummergirl
    @randomsummergirl6 жыл бұрын

    Owen you interrupt quite a bit don't you? I know it's your job to get down to the point and to keep on track for time but sometimes I really do jst want to hear what they have to say, and it comes across a bit rude!

  • @citybb8525

    @citybb8525

    6 жыл бұрын

    There is a reason for that. Have you seen Alistair Campbell interviewing Owen for GQ.

  • @Dan-pv7pd

    @Dan-pv7pd

    6 жыл бұрын

    Jameela was too many sly digs came across as childish from Jones.

  • @manco828

    @manco828

    6 жыл бұрын

    Owen Jones is an open socialist radical activist not a journalist.

  • @denzel270

    @denzel270

    5 жыл бұрын

    He's also a fucking tosser

  • @jonnutter
    @jonnutter5 жыл бұрын

    One day Owen is going to tire of his constant moral grandstanding and become a proper, grown up journalist

  • @kerravon2527

    @kerravon2527

    3 жыл бұрын

    I'm not sure that he is..

  • @attackpatterndelta8949

    @attackpatterndelta8949

    Жыл бұрын

    We’re in 2022, and he hasn’t.

  • @mikedonington7578
    @mikedonington75786 жыл бұрын

    Stark contrast in this interview to the GQ one which owen was soo vaunrable before Jezza's election

  • @carlharding5311
    @carlharding53117 ай бұрын

    Owen comes over really badly in this - rattled, chippy, combative without substance. Lost on points.

  • @isthissuperstition
    @isthissuperstition6 жыл бұрын

    I stuck this out despite being quite put off by your behaviour at the start! Very interesting interview, glad you were able to come to a more civilised conclusion.

  • @stevenclark6209
    @stevenclark62096 жыл бұрын

    Owen wasn't winding anyone up especially no Alistair , Alistair could have him for lunch

  • @davis7099
    @davis70996 жыл бұрын

    Owen stop "squeaking" Let the man speak.

  • @grahamjohnson2559

    @grahamjohnson2559

    4 жыл бұрын

    Owen Jones is a bully . He's just so twisted and extreme .

  • @bruhmann719

    @bruhmann719

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@grahamjohnson2559 alright graham

  • @francisr8563

    @francisr8563

    4 жыл бұрын

    Graham Johnson I really don’t think he’s capable of that.

  • @TheWillisham
    @TheWillisham6 жыл бұрын

    Alastair Campbell is still Blair's spokesman and so there's lots of important questions that need asking of him, and in this interview they were asked. Good stuff.

  • @alskinner7806
    @alskinner78063 жыл бұрын

    Wow let me go for a beer with Campbell rather than Jones any day

  • @theresehammond6624
    @theresehammond66243 жыл бұрын

    finger chewing. Owen really is 12

  • @timothylovecock4332
    @timothylovecock43326 жыл бұрын

    Anyone who watched the full video would understand that they have a bring 'frenemy' thing going on.

  • @jacklewis3803
    @jacklewis38034 жыл бұрын

    Im Labour, I like Starmer, I can not stand Owen Jones. Even though Campbell voted libdem in the EU elections, I find it horrible how owen treats Campbell in this interview.

  • @georgewgray1
    @georgewgray16 жыл бұрын

    Great interview

  • @londonislite
    @londonislite6 жыл бұрын

    Good interview. I like Alastair. Smart man, he makes a lot of valid points that are simply ignored.

  • @tomwilliams5273
    @tomwilliams52736 жыл бұрын

    This was an interesting interview, I thought Campbell came across well till about 35 minutes in when he starts copping out and getting selective in terms of memory. He spends half the interview talking up Blairs legacy and when it comes to the real hard questions he clams up, because what else can he do, it's indefensible.

  • @patrickcox4256

    @patrickcox4256

    6 жыл бұрын

    Exactly what I was going to say. Fair play to Owen - whose behaviour at points is borderline petulant - lands the serious blows in the latter half of the interview.

  • @pavanbhatia389

    @pavanbhatia389

    6 жыл бұрын

    Tom Williams ..... guess your a fan of Saddam Hussan, Bin Ladden & Gaddafi.

  • @tomwilliams5273

    @tomwilliams5273

    6 жыл бұрын

    Guess you're a fan of ISIS Pavan? And er, Blair's government didn't go after Gaddafi, he actually helped legitimize his rule.

  • @Shub99

    @Shub99

    6 жыл бұрын

    Tom Williams I don't understand why this interview is happening.. It seems to be an attempt to position Corbin as the best Labour leader since the 1950s... I was hoping for more information on labour strategy when it was in power rather than about Corbin ... Is he weak at present because of ghosts of Blair past ... what's going on?

  • @tomwilliams5273

    @tomwilliams5273

    6 жыл бұрын

    I'm not sure I quite follow what you're getting at Shub. Owen clearly thinks Corbyn is a good leader but I'm pretty sure Campbell is vehemently opposed to his being leader. He probably respects him a bit more because of the election result and cos he thinks Corb has a chance of taking the tories out of office but I'm sure if he ever became PM Campbell would work against him.

  • @markchamberlain1901
    @markchamberlain19014 жыл бұрын

    I'd love to see an update following the election last year !!

  • @logtothebase2
    @logtothebase2 Жыл бұрын

    If we had had a general election instead of a referendum on Brexit, Corbin would have been Prime Minister. But i think the window of opportunity was small, populism was on the rise and that cohort of voters who would have swung it on a Jeremy being the wind of change, anti establishment warrior, ticket had their heads turned by Trumpism and rise of the new right. As it stands and stood in the past the left wing of the Labour party and socialist community in Britain will not be enough to win a general election, they need "middle England" the whole of Scotland and bits of Wales as an and/or prop, that means Blair like compromise on something, to keep those voters, in Blairs case the preceding Thatcher economic reforms and policies of private ownership of utilities.

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