I'm already seeing comments on the clouds throughout, so let me clear this up. Regardless of how the ambient environment changes, the camera settings stayed the same throughout. The camera settings are modeled after the sunny 16 rule as they are safe settings to prevent any highlights from clipping while shooting in direct sunlight. Even in HSS, our settings are equivalent to the Sunny 16 rule. This is why when clouds move in, the background gets darker in the sample images but the flash is still appropriately balanced. Now, if for some reason you have a different experience with the sun, you can still use this video to determine the distances you would be capable of. Let's say you go out on a Sunny day and determine you need ISO 100 1/250s F14 to get the background as dark as you want it. That is 1 stop darker than the settings we used. Which means the flash has to be moved in to make it 1 stop brighter to balance. That means your light would have to be 70% of the distance I shared in this video. 50% for 2 stops, and so on. I know most photographers aren't into the math behind it, but both light and photography are easily defined mathematically and if you learn it, you can find answers to all the questions you have.

@photojones1

3 жыл бұрын

Sunny 16 rule... analog rules, for digital fools!!!

@matteodemattia

3 жыл бұрын

@@photojones1 because, as we all know, since the introduction of digital photography the Sun has changed its position in the Sol system and Sunny16 is not valid anymore.

@thegreatujo

2 жыл бұрын

@Robhallphoto So, just to clarify. All the shots were at ƒ/16 except the HSS ones that were ƒ/1.8 ? Is this correct ?

You are so well spoken and keep my interest. I cannot stand videos with overpowering music and people that hem and haw. You don't waste time, your points of interest are clearly outlined and you stay focused. Great job! Thank you! I am brand new to OCF, so I truly appreciate your informative videos. Thank you!

OhMyGoodness... A-G-A-I-N you come out with EXACTLY the video I wanted/needed EXACTLY when I needed it, with the equipment I wanted you to test!! THANKS!!!!

THIS IS THE EXACT DATA I WAS LOOKING FOR! I was trying to decide on whether I would go for the ad200pro or ad400pro and had watched various other youtube videos and I was having trouble keeping track of how each different photographer got certain results because it all depended on the various factors that are clearly detailed here. The distance, standard speed, hss, type of modifier ...etc. Thanks for doing such a diligent test and producing the handy chart ! Finding this video was a Godsend.

@robhallphoto

Жыл бұрын

So happy to hear this was a great resource for you Claudia!

Interesting results Rob, really appreciate the time you took to conduct such a thorough test 😊

@robhallphoto

4 жыл бұрын

Happy to do it, if I never have to type it again lol

One of the most useful videos I've seen in a long time. Thank you for making it, it answered many of my questions.

This was such an important video. Thank you so much

Really, really useful. Thanks for doing the heavy lifting for the rest of us, Robert.

Count on you to dish out practical videos Rob. Great going.. keep them coming.. loving this series :). Thank you.

Woaaaahhhhh That's a lot of numbers to digest, thanks for typing it up for us, can digest at my leisure...

Really an excellent examples of how to work with the lighting and the different modifiers. Thanks for the video Robert Hall

@robhallphoto

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Man, hands down one of the most informative videos I’ve seen on flash capabilities. Super helpful as I’m in the market for a new light and have been going back and forth between the ad400 and ad600. Thanks!!

@robhallphoto

4 жыл бұрын

Awesome to hear that, hope you got your answer!

@JohnCarryOn

4 жыл бұрын

Just wondering, which light did ya get?

that umbrella mounting at 3:21 was legit!

@robhallphoto

4 жыл бұрын

tyty, a new method i've been perfecting.

Yes !! Finally found someone to explain the differences to me lol. Really appreciate it. Just came across your channel keep up the great work.

@robhallphoto

4 жыл бұрын

Glad I could help, thank you!

1 min into this and I can already tell this is gonna be a great video! Thanks for this, I’m currently stuck deciding what I want to purchase!

Great presentation, I used an ad200 with small soft box yesterday and an ad600 with a large very deep soft box both double diffused with amazing results in the late afternoon never going anywhere full power

When I first saw the video title I thought “Oh god here we go again.” I was quite pleased to hear you hate the phrase too!

Some good info here, some results were more dramatic than I expected. Great video and easy to follow as usual, thank you.

Excellent video and thank you so much for including the infographic, it's Gold!

@robhallphoto

4 жыл бұрын

You're very welcome!

Some pretty interesting results. Thank you chaps for making the video

As a potential but currently undecided AD200 or AD400 Godox purchaser, thank you for your service.

Thank you so much Rob, helpful and informative tutorial! Good luck!

THANK YOU!!!!! I have been saying this FOREVER!!! I wanted to do a video about this same thing because there is no strobe out there that can over power the sun! You beat me to it Rob, but thank you for posting this! They need to stop feeding people the wrong information.

@fjhphoto

4 жыл бұрын

Kerwan Celestine totally agree, man 🔥

@KerwanCelestine

4 жыл бұрын

FJH Photography yea bro. Still will do mines, because there are other aspects that affects that situation as well. 🙂

@robhallphoto

4 жыл бұрын

Can't wait to see what you add to the discussion bro

Excellent demonstration. I love the way you approached it. I just might have to get that large softbox!

This video information was actually refreshing

Thank you so much for using my flash, I bought a 47 inch/120cm when a 90cm would have done the job, and give me more light output, and be more portable for use case, this is neat to know I am even able to use it outside, and provided it's always cloudy here, it works in my favour for once

Imagine putting in all that effort to make such an informative video like this...then someone dislikes it... Why?🤷🏾‍♂️

@fjhphoto

4 жыл бұрын

falented2 lots of jealous people out there. I wanted to make a video similar to this one and still plan to, but I'm happy Rob made this video sooner. It's so helpful and I support that. Rob works hard to create content.

@Firebrand911

4 жыл бұрын

My guess is some idiots accidentally click the wrong icon, or there was literally one detail that contradicted something they knew or expected. Some people thumb down when they see a product they dont like as well, even if they like the video. Sorta like being at a sportsgame and booing the other side, you're not really booing the host of the game.

@goranb8822

3 жыл бұрын

@@Firebrand911you dont know nothing about light...and second your mom is an idiot.

@claudiasilvestre8329

3 жыл бұрын

@@goranb8822 by trashing people like you are you are really trashing yourself!!!!!!

@jeremy001

3 жыл бұрын

Because they dont have a flash

Thank you, very precise information to such generic and wide topic. Really great overview of what you can expect on normal not super sunny day

Liked, subbed, ripped, saved, archived. It is all here in one video.

Actual good test!

This has been super useful. I was thinking of just buying two speedlights, put both in my Westcott umbrella softbox (28 in, I believe), and call it good. Now this shows me that it could work, but I should also consider other options. Thank you for the vid, and trust me, I hate the phrase too hehe.

@robhallphoto

4 жыл бұрын

Glad you found it useful Pat!

This was SUPER helpful. Thank you!!!

Cool video. I regularly encounter people online that tell me a speedlite cannot be used to fill sunlight. It’s awkward because I know I’ve done it before.

Hahahah!!! LOVED the speed-lite flip, I gotta learn that - awesome work bro, love your work!

@robhallphoto

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed that, it's basically an involuntary habit at this point. It's gonna get me in trouble one day. It's most satisfying with a long lens like the 135 or 70-200 lmao.

Brilliant video, great information! Thanks

This is just beautiful! Thanks so much

What great information! Thanks Robert. This has helped greatly with my decision to buy an AD400 Pro. (Placed today with Adorama)

Thank you for the video. It really helped to clear the confusion between flash powers.

incredibly detailed and helpful, thank you so much!

Robert you are so helpful as I am learning more about HSS and over powering the sun and Thanks fir all the Godoy review I have the 400 pro and was thinking of getting the 600 also

That really useful tutorial. Thanks bro

Amazing video, as close as you can get to have controls outdoors, and love that you tried both the fresnel and bare bulb on the AD200

Excellent! Very useful and like your presentation speed. 👍

The most useful video..keep it up man 👍👍

Great content. I recently picked up a AD600 pro to compliment my 400 and 200s. Nice to have a general guide to distances.

@robhallphoto

4 жыл бұрын

I hope this can help first time buyers, cause those are the ones typically asking the question after being inspired by other photos.

@gonzalonovoaphotography

4 жыл бұрын

@@robhallphoto Don't forget the infographic, or make a metric version of it :D

Thank you for this video. Very useful comparison.

Good job! The only thing I really miss in this test, is how a (big) deep silver umbrella would fare. It should both help focus the light on the subject and the light is not reduced by a front diffusing panel. From what I have seen, they should help getting the most out of your light on location, if you want a bigger light-source with minimal loss of power/light. I normally refrain from softboxes and shoot-trough umbrellas on location in strong sun, because they do tend to take away a lot of light on the gear I own.

THANKS! how perfect, I have the AD400 and a Glow softbox, can't wait to try this out along with dialing back the sun's exposure 1-2 stops

Great video sir, thank you!

Thanks - it's always nice to have some figures to lean against 👍 Cheers mate

Thank you, thank you. Exactly what I what I was looking for.

Good work on the flash videos.

@robhallphoto

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Thank you! Every question as they came up in my mind you answered.

Thanks man. Just bought the AD400 thanks to this advice.

@robhallphoto

4 жыл бұрын

Glad it helped!

great video!!

Great information!! Which softbox are you using at the very end of the video? The one you are putting onto the AD400? Thx!

Tony & Chelsea Northrup, Fstoppers, & a few others need to listen at 1:54 . I use HSS at every shoot and know it isn't the best for "overpowering" the sun.

@makatron

4 жыл бұрын

The first two you mentioned aren't even providing good content and the first one just reads a PowerPoint

@wullieg7269

4 жыл бұрын

My hss works when manual says NO!... Use as trigger on optical slave.

@robhallphoto

4 жыл бұрын

Do they say HSS is a better method too? People get so confused by the thought that you're using shutter speed to kill ambient that they think their flash is no longer being affected. It is better in that it gives you control of your aperture back, so I understand that thought, it's just not the most efficient.

@vonpotatostein

4 жыл бұрын

Without being salty... All of the 3 after mentioned people aren't known for their verification/investigation/test efforts and they are known for all the mishaps they have in their videos/articles becuase they don't do any verification/investigation/test.

@robhallphoto

4 жыл бұрын

@@vonpotatostein who's the 3rd?

The only thing is it would be nice (and I guess I will have to try it) to see the speedlight zoomed to 200mm for the fresnel shot since zooming it tightens the pattern and so intensifies the light where it is landing. They might have been able to get the speedlight as far or farther than the AD200 bare at that point. And at those distances you would still light the subject fully.

Great video! I work in a very small space 10x14 low ceiling do you think a pair of AD400’s are too much for this space?

Great comparisons. I’m gonna have to revisit using fresnel heads. Another modifer I’d be interested to see is a beauty dish. I work a lot on the coast, trying to find the best option that isn’t going to get blown over, lol.

more practical way to measure the light i guess. thank you so much for your afford

Thank You this is really useful. AD600pro has 74% efficiency of AD400pro. AD600pro-0,13inch/W AD400pro-0,18inch/W in HSS with 43" para softbox

Brilliant video

Thank you very much. Great job

My XPLOR400 arrives tomorrow. I hope follow your finding over the weekend. Thanks for the coupon code

@robhallphoto

4 жыл бұрын

You're very welcome, enjoy it!

Bruh, 15 years of getting confused as heck, maybe even afraid of the sunny 16 rule (probably because it was just charts) and you explained it in a manner that makes a lot of sense. Now I know how one gets to all the other figures.

Thank you!

that's a great help..thank you

Hi Rob -- do you think the AD200 Pro would have done better in the softboxes if you'd used the fresnel head instead of the bare bulb head?

great video, thanks for the info graphic

Dude, awesome 👏 Is very usefull!

great review

Nice work

Your video thumbnail is *SO* awesome!

@robhallphoto

4 жыл бұрын

haha thank you!

GREAT VIDEO and answered all my questions BUT I still don't know which one to upgrade to first. lol. I've gotten away with using the basic speedlight and for sure want to at least get the AD200. The 600 would be nice not sure how versatile it would be in a small space... DECISIONS DECISIONS...

Great guys! keep up the good work ! .... but in my AD200 I always end up using the included bulb and not the flash mount, because the bulb is much more powerful...

@claudiasilvestre8329

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing this information!!!

Well done

Very helpful.

good stuff!

this really helped

Always enjoy your videos. Thank you. Could you maybe compare the Orlit Rovelight to the Flashpoint Rapid I'm conflicted between the two

@robhallphoto

4 жыл бұрын

The AC Rovelight? I've kind of abandoned coverage of the Orlit series, while they are capable units they just aren't anywhere near the same system as FP R2. But given that they can be had much cheaper these days because they don't sell as well, I think its a good buy.

How would the AD400 manage in a native Godox mount and softbox?

Excellent informative video. Thankyou for doing it. Can I just ask 1 question? Were all the flashes firing at full power to achieve these results?

@robhallphoto

4 жыл бұрын

Yes

Thanks !!!

Thanks for doing this video. definitely gave me a better understanding of what in going to need to do when using my strobes out in the sun. would love to see it added to with more softboxes and strobes. Wondering how the Magbox would do compare to the others and also wonder how the AD200 using the dual head compares to the AD400.

@robhallphoto

4 жыл бұрын

I've got the latter portion of this comment well covered here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/pmllq9WBodrHXZs.html The AD-B2 is .3 stop more powerful than an AD400 Pro. As for more softboxes, maybe I'll do a single light power comparison on various modifiers in the future.

Did I miss it, are all of the flash units at 1/1 or it's equivalent? BTW WOW that was a lot of great info and most importantly a tremendous amount of work. Thanks

I've always used the term "overpower the sun" to mean that the strobe can put more light on the subject than the sun does. And I've always explained that pretty much any flash can overpower the sun in the right conditions. That the discussion is really about whether or not the flash can overpower from a modifier at a useful distance.

@the5amkebab971

3 жыл бұрын

I think that whole part of the video was just filler to get it over the 10 min mark for more yt ads lol

@HR-wd6cw

2 жыл бұрын

The phrase "overpower the sun" is a bit misleading and I don't know why people use it. Pretty much everyone will agree that the sun is the brightest light source available, it's just small and harsh from the perspective of the surface of the earth. And really, you don't want to "overpower" things in some cases, and I think a better phrase is "balance the light" and I see many people starting to use this phrase instead of "overpower the sun". In a number of cases, you may want your subject brighter than the background (rather than just evenly light with the background) but with the right settings (ie. HSS) you can accomplish this with many flashes that are of decent quality and support HSS because you can use your SS to control the ambient light and thus tone down the background (ie. the sun) and incraese the power on your flash or get in closer. So in the right condition as you said, it' possible to overpower the sun in the right conditions and with the right configuration (flash/lighting setup and camera settings) regardless of if the flash is viewed as "being able to overpower the sun".

THANKS!!!!! GREAT VIDEO!!!!!!!

Hi Robert! Thanks for this very informative video. I just recently bought my 2 godox ad200. But haven't used it for outdoor shoots. Maybe this weekend. :) just wanna ask if among the all the strobes you used in this video, were they fired at the same flash power? For example, all fired at 1/1 power from farthest to closest? Thanks

@robhallphoto

4 жыл бұрын

All flashes were at 1/1 for all tests

@georgehunk

4 жыл бұрын

@@robhallphoto Thanks, Robert!

Thankyou Robert

Just one question. In case of power ad200 fresnel head same as ad600 with reflector?

Imagine putting in all that effort to make such an informative video like this, i don't know why some people dislike the videos. Lots of jealous people out there ...

i appreciate this

Can we/should we use Godox AD series flashes to kill Corova Virus?

So nd filter and speedlight on standart speed will give possibility to shoot comfort in bright sun with umbrella or 36 inch octa with 1 layer diffusion?

The best and most reasonable definition of "Overpower the Sun" that I have heard is: "When the sun is overhead or behind your subject and you add light that casts a shadow behind your subject."

@goranb8822

3 жыл бұрын

wrong...

I always have the issue of wind blowing down my Light-stand with Flash and Umbrella. 5:46 allows the wind to blow away the umbrella since it is more disposable so all I had to do is not tightly attach the umbrella to my Light-stand. Mind Blown!

I think that when people use the term “overpowering the Sun” that it is in reference to the light that the Sun casts and not the Sun itself. Let’s face it, when talking about flash power you don’t take a photo of your flash.

@wikrap1

3 жыл бұрын

"when talking about flash power you don’t take a photo of your flash." Good point. Still I sometimes take a photo with a flash beam in the frame :P

excellent. thanks so much!!!

@robhallphoto

4 жыл бұрын

You're very welcome

I am having difficulties going into high speed sync with my Sony a7riii, used both godox Xpros & X1T triggers and the camera set in manual refuses to go past shutter speed of 1/250sec. I put the either trigger on my Sony a7r and no problem, I can dial any shutter speed values. Has to be a menu setup, help?

@osiris4260

4 жыл бұрын

Moho Mami try upgrading the firmware on both flash and flash trigger. This fox the issue I had with high speed sync not working on Olympus Camera. Check the Godox website for firmware updates