I feel for people whose spectrum-related traits has drawn trauma inflicted by the "family" and "friends" who were supposed to support them.

@-LSTR-

4 ай бұрын

Thank you, that is a kind thing to say. Bless you

@joyful_tanya

2 ай бұрын

Thank you Lancey. I definitely fall into that category. 😘🥰

I had a therapist to tell me that my autism and PTSD are so mixed together that they can't tell where one began and other ends, But I been through both child abuse and school bullying, and no one believe that I had autism until some of my family members stole my medical records after that they stopped saying I was faking it

@CherrysJubileeJoyfully

Жыл бұрын

My spawn point hid my medical records too... she never could have imagined how it would all be at our fingertips jn a few decades. 🥰

@lunamoondrop

Жыл бұрын

WTF. Not cool that they stole your medical records.

@isabellefaguy7351

Жыл бұрын

Same for me, had a hard time getting autism diagnosis because I was perceived as a lot of other stuff and very bad people around me said false stuff to my doctors. But at some point, a particularly abusive person said something to try to discredit me (because the new doctor was sensing that person may be abusive), the person talked a lot about my meltdowns and other cognitive difficulties, so that I would look fool. Contrary, it lighted the lightbulb in my doctor's brain and she then correctly perceived me as autistic. My parents refused to admit the developmental delay I had as a kid. I had a hard time finding proofs of this, but did manage to put together my childhood development anomalies story with help from other relatives and a more complete psychiatric evaluation than ever before allowed me to be properly diagnosed with autism. At that time, I didn't know nothing about autism and didn't think I was autistic, I was just looking to find out "what was wrong with me, so I can get better", as I had spent my 37 first years being told daily that I'm not OK. That's why I advocate a lot for the well being of autistic people.

@creativesolutions902

Жыл бұрын

That in itself is traumatizing :-( gaslighting is the worst…

@user-yv6xw7ns3o

Жыл бұрын

@@isabellefaguy7351 I’m finding something like this to have been my story as well, but not diagnosed yet, just my own strong hunch after recently realizing I had been operating under so many influences from parents, bullying etc who told me who I was and what I was actually like… very confusing all my life feeling like I never really was the person people projected me as. Have had some experience with experiencing mental abuse and gaslighting in particular which especially turned me around. Finally in therapy trying to work out what’s going on.

As another bloke who learned they were autistic after they were 50, and I have also worked in broadcast radio, this is so me. My therapist and I had a discussion about this a couple of months ago, and she pointed out to me that that it's almost impossible to find a diagnosed autistic that hasn't experienced ongoing trauma. She also pointed out that CPTSD is a very common comorbidity for Autistic people. HINT: we went into this with the CPTSD as a given.

@lunamoondrop

Жыл бұрын

Neurotypical people can be pretty traumatizing. 🤣😭

@Sharonmxg

Жыл бұрын

Honest question? I too am over 50 and am in assessment currently. I don't have an official diagnosis yet but am pretty sure I fit here better than anywhere else I have been. My therapist also suggested that I am suffering from unaddressed trauma. Putting that description on my experience actually explains a lot of my conflicting feelings. I was not abused physically but as a child, I recall meltdowns that were punished rather than nurtured, and 50+ years of very few friends and repeated failed efforts at interpersonal relationships. I often feel like I have missed out on living a normal life. Does this feeling go away with the right kind of therapy and support.

@thomasjamison2050

Жыл бұрын

@@Sharonmxg I know the feeling of thinking I have missed out on living a normal life, but then I remind myself that most everyone has missed the feeling of having lived a life that was not normal. Admittedly, considering the difference can be troubling at times, but one can't really determine the full difference. One can chose an answer, but the answer won't necessarily be correct. When I was talking to one therapist about my childhood and the period of time that I was perhaps most isolated from my peers by my self absorption, he said something like 'where were you then?" My first response was 'where do you think you are now:?" I didn't ask it because I felt sure he wouldn't have given a decent and objective answer. Matter of fact, there were reasons I was already sure he wouldn't. It was my last session with him.

@isabellefaguy7351

Жыл бұрын

@@Sharonmxg Been diagnosed with autism at 37, and 7 years later with CPTSD. I also was harsly punished for meltdowns and treated by all adults as I was "a bad person that deserve being treated badly". I'm still looking of some kind of therapy and support that would help my amygdalia calming back... I've been in EMDR therapy, which is often the go-to for trauma, 2 years before I was diagnosed with autism. It worsened my autistic symptoms, which actually was a good thing because it leads to a more complete psychiatric evaluation, that lead to my autism diagnosis. I'm convinced both diagnosis do apply to me and that a lot of other autistic people fit both diagnostics criterias. I know some autistic people who had success with EMDR. It may be worth a try, but if you see it worsen your difficulties, be aware it happened to at least me.

@DavidEdelsohn

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, it's not mutually-exclusive.

CPTSD, imo, goes hand in hand with autism. I’ve studied both… aware of having CPTSD long before I realized, at 69, that I am on the spectrum. Btw, Orion, you have been a huge blessing to me as I’ve been navigating a late diagnosis… in the process of accepting autism, I tripped over CPTSD. Thank you so much. Good on ya, friend!

@joyful_tanya

2 ай бұрын

Same here. I just realized I am not broken like I was taught. Autistic and traumatized but not broken. ❤ Nice name. I'm Tanya as well.

Well really no wonder my best friend (autism) and I (CPTSD) have gotten along so well since we were kids.

I am Autistic and have Cptsd. Since I found out I was Autistic as an adult I realised a lot of my childhood trauma was caused due to the fact I was Autistic and it’s followed me into adulthood.

@KAT-dg6el

11 ай бұрын

Same

@CricketGirrl

8 ай бұрын

Me too 😢

@VaronPlateando

5 ай бұрын

I'd guess even that cptsd, chronic depression etc. may arise as symptomatic for an autistic disposition's sensitivities to begin with. (or even: aut

@joyful_tanya

2 ай бұрын

Me as well.

Orion, thank you for trying to de-muddy the space between PTSD and autism. I don't know if it's any clearer, but it was helpful. My autistic wife has been diagnosed with PTSD, anxiety, and depression and I don't understand any of them. What I'm getting tired of is watching her therapist and other people who are trying to help her treat her symptoms like she's a neurotypical. It irritates and aggravates me so much. And then when it's not working the way they want it to, it feels like they double down on the same effort. I swear, watching them help my wife is like people wondering why their dog isn't purring and meowing, and then having them try to figure out a way to make the dog meow. No wonder she has the challenges she does relating to the world around her. I would also if I were in her shoes.

@xoshelbz

Жыл бұрын

This is absolutely beautiful. 🥹 You are a superhero, and she’s extremely lucky to have such a great advocate and support on her side. Thank you on behalf of the entire ASD community! 💜

@NeurospicyKat

3 ай бұрын

I hope your wife has found a better support team in this last year. I've found a therapist who trusts that I understand what really doesn't work for my brain and let's me say "nope, that doesn't work" or "give me multiple options to try as my pda brain refuses to try if you if you tell me to do something for homework".

@jameydunne3920

3 ай бұрын

@@NeurospicyKat ait took a bit, I think she finally has a team that can help her survive AND thrive. I feel like the next big step for her will be when she figures out what she needs and then find a consistent drive to fight for it. I believe she can do it. But at the end of the day, for her to be successful, she has to drive her own life as much as she can. I can only support her for her to truly succeed.

@user-rz5vl5ft3k

2 ай бұрын

She is blessed to have you.

Not only have I suffered lifelong trauma being autistic and not being diagnosed till I was 40, I also have multiple traumas from several traumatic events. For me I probably have severe CPTSD

@CricketGirrl

8 ай бұрын

I have severe CPTSD as well. Do you get emotional flashbacks? Having one now.

This really resonates with me. Thank you for explaining it. So much has fallen into place. My situation with regards to childhood trauma plus intense life event trauma, is very complex. I’m in a constant state of anxiety and fear, and I see danger in every little thing. Controlling it is exhausting, as well as dealing with ASD.

Let's not forget our poor community who were tortured under conversion therapy ABA - raised being told by family and professionals that "you" are not enough, "you" must change and be changed, "you" do not have a place here.

@LittleKikuyu

Жыл бұрын

You are enough and you are valuable ☺️

My thoughts…I was born autistic with adhd traits, and that itself puts one in the position to be more targeted by abusers because we’re“different” and we don’t comply automatically with rules that either we don’t understand or unspoken rules, like in a toxic family. School is trauma for most Autistic kids and kids who have ADHD. Not only are we singled out by other kids because we haven’t yet learned to mask, but often teachers single us out for public humiliation, which encourages Neurotypical kids to continue treating us poorly. I was abused at home, and school wasn’t safe. Then I married someone who abused me like I was treated as a child. I was in my late 20’s when I got a misdiagnosis of bipolar just because I was depressed and couldn’t sleep. They finally figured out I couldn’t sleep because of my lifetime of abuse trauma. CPTSD. I had to figure out the autism myself after I had autistic kids. Now I’m properly diagnosed. How exhausting!

I was diagnosed with autism at 37 y.o. , 7 years ago. This year, my psychiatrist said she thinks I also have CPTSD. After reading a lot about CPTSD and thinking about my life, I have been through stuff that is known to trigger CPTSD : experienced a lot of abuse and violence as a child and I have been in an abusive couple relationship for 8 years. But also, during all my life, I have been in a lot of other relationships where abuse and violence was, if less intense, still present on a daily basis. And within these relationships, the reason of the violence I had to endure was always the fact that being weird, or as Yo Samdy Sam words it "being stuck in uncanny valley", most people have an aversion reaction to me just being there, existing. And thus, they react, instinctively, by feeling either by fear, concern, disdain, disgust, hatred, uncertainty, anxiety, or a combination of these emotions. This then triggers their psychological protection mechanisms. This then triggers them to act violently, abusively, or in other bad ways towards me (the perceived danger) in what they perceive as appropriately protecting themselves. This has happened to me in all environments where I was stuck and the other person was also stuck there, so they couldn't effectively get rid of the perceived danger (me) and they thus would continue to agress me in hope I would leave. For example : college (teachers), work (colleagues), volunteering (other volunteers), housing situations (roomates, other people in the same appartment building), etc.

@wormsnthedirt

Жыл бұрын

I'm so sorry you've gone through all of these abusive relationships. You and all of us with ASD deserve stable supportive relationships where we can be ourselves. I hope you're able to find community, support, and peace

@lizericsonn9367

Жыл бұрын

be checked for adhd, because we have bad RSD as well, google ADHD/RSD

@launacasey6513

Жыл бұрын

I kinda approached it the opposite way: my therapist agrees on the C-PTSD and can see how early ongoing neglect and abuse affected me. I have thoroughly researched ADHD (and the subtypes), which makes a ton a sense for many of the ways I struggle in everyday life. ADHD is often comorbid with ASD as well as other disorders. All of my questions lead to the topic discussed in this video. Do I just have the C-PTSD, or have I been on the spectrum the entire time which made me more sensitive to the violence and noise and chaos in my childhood? A psychiatrist could probably help me suss it out better, but videos like this are pretty helpful.

@v.k.2320

Жыл бұрын

I can relate to that. I was always the outcast and most ppl coming close have made me their scapegoat so often. 😢 I am now so careful to not let someone get too close

@KAT-dg6el

11 ай бұрын

Being the scapegoat of the family because of a narcissistic mother I’ve been a narcissist magnet my whole life. Can’t seem to go more than two years without another narcissist, malevolent narcissist or Sociopath type personality disorders entering my world. I believe the autism attracts them to me. Apparently kindness, to them, equals weak and stupid.

My son has only this month been diagnosed with ASD, Level 1. I know and fully admit that I did not have enough patience with him in his earlier years, and these videos are really helping me understand better how to approach situations going forward.

@trinitychiplove

Жыл бұрын

Good for you for being able to take accountability for the part you had to play , not many parents can do that

Great discussion, well thought out. I read something recently that said autistic people are far more likely to have PTSD because of our sensitivity. It feels like everything hurts more than it should. The biggest hurts for me have been from those who were supposed to care about me the most.

I believe that if I as an autistic person that would have been understood and treated with respect instead of ridiculed my life would have been much easier and a portion of my anxiety wouldn't been there in the first place.

I have CPSD and had recently learnt that's why it's been so difficult to get my ASD diagnosed. I'm 40yo now, hopefully when the CPSD is treated I can get the ASD diagnosed.

@aurieamoore5823

Жыл бұрын

I'm already Cptsd diagnosed and definitely self diagnosed autistic. I'm also hoping for the day that i can get the autism diagnosis

HAHAHA. The comment about not seeing a point to social interactions is pure gold. 🤣

Thanks for acknowledging it can be both! I have a narcissistic parent, so my being undiagnosed autistic AND having ADHD have made me the perfect candidate for the 'scapegoat' child in our house, plus I was ALWAYS called 'weird' & later bullied throughout high school only to come home & be bullied by my father & sister. Even my non-narcissist mother would lose it sometimes & say things like, 'I hope you have TEN children just like you so you'll know what it's like,' as if I was being difficult on PURPOSE. She always knew there was something biologically wrong with me, but there was no help back in the '60s & '70s for ADHD, & my pediatrician told her NOT to get me labelled with a brain disease because it would only stigmatize me. Of course, I COULDN'T be diagnosed autistic back then because I was a GIRL. PS: Needless to say, when my mother said that to me, it made up my mind NOT to have kids lest any of them be like me. I wouldn't wish this on ANYONE.

@timtreefrog9646

Жыл бұрын

Same! When people say that it would be cute to have a mini version of them, I think "hell no". The adult version of me wouldn't want to inflict my genes onto a little person.

@HauntedCadaver

Жыл бұрын

I'm undiagnosed aspergers and I didn't even have so much as an _inkling_ I am autistic until like a month ago. I'm a single mother of a toddler and I'm afraid of the other flesh inheritances I have given her (she has my scoliosis..). Being an autistic (single) mother is the worst guilt feeling ever.

@mooncove

Жыл бұрын

@@HauntedCadaver Whatever genes she may have inherited from you, it sounds to me like you are a loving, caring mother, which is the mitigating factor I had in my life. And with the knowledge you're autistic and the increased medical knowledge & support that exist today, and NOT being trapped in a marriage with a narcissist like my mother was, I'm sure you'll be in a much better position to support your child in ways that my mother couldn't support me. You're already aware of what may be ahead of you. I hope that reduces your chances of developing C-PTSD. Maybe a therapist could help you with your feelings of guilt that I'm sure come from the love you have for your child. You're very brave to raise a child alone, & I admire you for that. Just beware of narcissistic partners coming into your life who may want to take advantage of your empathy. I suspect that autistic people/Aspies--even those who weren't raised with narcissistic abuse--being accepting of all kinds of people & having greater levels of empathy--are more susceptible to being ensnared by narcissists. I'm glad you're not already in a relationship with a narcissist who could cause both you and your child C-PTSD. If you want to learn the red flags of a narcissist, the source I recommend most highly is someone who goes by the pseudonym HG Tudor, a narcissist himself who is here on KZread & has thousands of videos--all very clear & succinct, many of them humorous--about all aspects of narcissism; the way that they think; and how deal with, get away from, & avoid them. He's respectful of his audience of mostly empaths, but he pulls no punches either. I've watched MANY different experts on narcissism, & I've learned more from him & how to protect myself than from anyone else, and I'm sure you want to protect your daughter from the psychological & emotional harm that narcissists invariably inflict on everyone who gets close to them. If you have high levels of empathy, narcissists can tell, & you'll probably be targeted if you haven't been already. (I've also learned from experience not to expect therapists to understand the effects of narcissistic abuse, so it's best to educate yourself if you think you're susceptible to them & don't give them the time of day. Having a narcissistic father caused me more harm than any physical ailment I could have been born with. But an unconditionally loving mother (who I'm sure felt guilt about every ailment I might possibly have inherited from her that she was never diagnosed with) can make all the difference in the world. Please don't feel guilty about your daughter who you clearly love & are getting medical attention for (knowing that she may also turn out to be autistic & educating yourself about it through sources like this while she's still a toddler). I think you're doing & will continue to do a great job as a mother, especially as a single mother! If you have supportive family members who are understanding of your being autistic & possibly are themselves, all the better for you and your daughter. Stay strong & please don't feel guilty. You're already doing your best, & whatever medical problems your daughter may have inherited from you, you already know and/or are learning to deal with, so you're the ideal person to help & support her as she grows up.

@xoshelbz

Жыл бұрын

As a little girl I got my ADHD diagnosis, and also was misdiagnosed with bipolar, depression, OCD, anxiety, and dyslexia (just racking ‘em up lmao) until my sons ASD diagnosis opened my eyes around 28 years old. Feels like a joke now since we know it’s typical for doctors to give women every other diagnosis before everrrr believing you’re autistic. 🙄 Prior to actually learning about ASD for my son… cuz I told doctors I didn’t believe it since he’s JUST like me so I thought he was bipolar… I had spent a year+ deep researching about CPTSD and 💯 knew I had it and thats was was causing so many debilitating issues. A result of, ready, having narcissistic parents, ACEs, and history of many abusive friend/relationships. It’s disheartening yet also beautiful to see the insane amount of similar stories and experiences. And what’s even more mind-blowing is, and I think I can speak for all of us when I say this, how absolutely and miserably alone in the world we feel. 😔 It’s vital that we come together, take care of each other, and help any way we can to build the tools, research, spaces, and world that we, and our neurodiverse children, need. Our current life expectancy average, our chronic health issues, and the fact that suicide is our leading cause of death, is absolutely a global health crisis. And I think it’s clear neurotypicals may try, but can’t understand. 💜

@user-rz5vl5ft3k

2 ай бұрын

It's like people act like children even as adults. Bullying someone for being different then themselves.

I’m 68 years old. Incested as a child by a family member. My baseline emotion is fear/anxiety. In fourth grade they wanted to keep me back a year. I was not learning at the same rate as others and didn’t have friends, uh one friend perhaps. Was bullied all through school. Always the weird one. Had meltdowns at home as a kid and on my own as an adult. Did everything I could to stay under the radar. School was hell. I’m not a book learner, I’m a do learner. My father was always on about me being ritualistic regarding the way I do things. Prefer cats and dogs over people cuz they don’t lie. Sensitive to textiles. Certain clothing fabric is repulsive. Picky about food and like to eat the same stuff every day. Will read, listen to the same books or movies over and over. Have had IBS most of my life. Was in counseling for decades. Diagnosed with depression and PTSD. My friends want me to get assessed as autistic. My question is what is the point of getting an assessment or not, at the age of 68?

@judylandry302

Жыл бұрын

If you get assessed who is going to protect you. Diagnoses follow you everywhere. I'm 60. I plan on staying independent until I'm dead. I tell no one.

@chrismcwilliams3552

Жыл бұрын

@@judylandry302 Why would I need protecting? I live in USA and autistic folks live as independently as they are comfortable. They marry, have jobs, reproduce. Medical records here are confidential, so who, other than those I disclose any findings to, would find out?

@judylandry302

Жыл бұрын

@@chrismcwilliams3552 Good for you. You feel you are already protected. You feel safe, and trust people to look out for you. I live in US. I know I am not protected. I have no advocates, like many, many others, like me. I hope you don't ever get really sick. That is when reality would kick in for you.

@chrismcwilliams3552

Жыл бұрын

@@judylandry302 One of my brothers died 3 months ago of liver failure due to diabetes. I took care of him as his wife had divorced him when he became too ill to work. A friend took him in. I advocated for him along with his eldest son who held medical power of attorney. Before that I’ve taken care of a neighbor who had broken her arm, and my dear Mother in her battle with colon cancer to her death. I need two knee replacement surgeries, which is a challenge as I live in a basement. My Mother was a Registered Nurse and I learned a lot from her. I am the captain of my health care team. I have a degree in Psychology, though I’ve learned more thru working on my issues in decades of counseling. I’ve an elder sister who has her PhD in Epidemiology from John Hopkins University, two other siblings hold Masters Degrees in Computer Programming. My Uncle, a Judge, founded the Law firm of Brennan, Brennan, and Brennan. I worked for the prosecutors office. With God’s help, I feel I should be ok.

@judylandry302

Жыл бұрын

@@chrismcwilliams3552 I am a retired 100% Disabled Veteran. My husband died last year. He too was a Vet. The VA used him as a guinea pig. Then his HMO sucked every dollar they could out of Medicare, doing unnecessary operations and prescribed him numerous pharmaceuticals. He lost a kidney. The lobe of his liver and became a hypertensive diabetic. He died in an induced coma on New Years Eve. The VA had me on 18 different medications, I was going into liver failure. I gained alot of weight. I was so sick. The Doctors dismissed my concerns both about my husband and myself. Put me on Clonzepam and Respiradone and added Methadone to my protocol. I quit going to the VA. Quit all those toxic drugs. threw out all the packaged and sugary foods. Started on a Keto diet, lost the weight and found that the only medicine I needed was T3. Armour Thyroid. The shrink at the VA, had told me I appeared to be on the Autism Spectrum, but because she was retiring soon, she really didn't have time on her schedule to assess me. I didn't want an assessment. I got the hell away from them. I learned to do everything for myself at a young age. No one has ever been there for me, including my husband. My family finally showed up when I was very sick, to see what they could get. I wasn't dead. But I was to them. I am good now. I take good care of myself and I'm Healthy. Take 1 Armour Thyroid pill, That is it. I use high quality whole food as my medicine. You are so privileged, you have everything you ever needed and wanted. I am grateful to be better off than you. I have my health, and a strong body.

I'm undergoing the AS assessment now (it's done over 15 hours in canada) and I'm traumatized by having to share and expose so much of myself.

@jaded9087

Жыл бұрын

Well if you dont compleat it that means you have not and will not be diagnosed with anything as so many people confuse what autism is and it could be any number of other disorders and or conditions. Belive me, id been diagnosed with all of them in the public health system here only to find out none of them where correct as a autism assessment is not even concidered in the public health. Quality care only comes with $$$$$ and untill then, drs throw pills at you hand over fist. I am diagnosed , i got diagnosed trying to work out why i am the way i am and why i dont cope with the world as well as others and i had to devolge all my personal information and thoughts and feeling for over 20 years trying to nut this out and rule out other conditions to FINALLY get to the point of being assessed for autism. Ive spent probably up to a full year in all the condensed weeks ive done in mental health institutions to be taken seriously enough to be assessed for autism to the point they where wanting to give me electro shock therapy instead of assesing me. So really, if you cant do a 15 hr assessment to get there, think of the people that had to get there the long way. It was only really explored after my daughter was assessed and diagnosed at 3yo and id been traped in the mental health system being drugged to the eye balls for conditions i did not have for decades because in Australia, being able to afford a autism assessment is only for the privlaged costing thousands of dollers and untill you come up with the money you are just written off as mentally ill. You want trauma, try getting and autism assessment this way! Untill your willing to do the 15 hrs of assessment, you dont know what you have. Sorry hun. After everything i went through to get an apointment to be assessed, i still had to do the 15 hrs, have my medical records gone though with a fine tooth comb and wads of test in paperwork writing my life story. If only it was so easy to self diagnose and so it is said , it must be truth. If you dont seek a professional clinical psychologist to nut this out , you will never know and really you may have something else that 1 small pill in the morning every day may make your troubles go away. You got this far, stick it out .

@hugbloom2664

Жыл бұрын

I'm sorry to hear this and hope you can find some support to help you through your experiences

@jaded9087

Жыл бұрын

@Concrete Head in mine it was quit a few diffent assessment, a in different testing modalities standardized tests , several face to face consultations with a clinical psychologist and i was given a wad for questionnaires to fill out that i just sat at home for a weekend and filled them out like i was taking an exams and powered through them. My husband and family members had to fill out questionnaires about me too. On top i had to release all of my medical records from hospitals, gps and other psychologist and psychiatric id seen. If you want to get the answers , you got to be willing to ask and answer the questions. As in anything in life. With my daughter, her face to face time was less but she still had ×3 2 hr sessions with a team of child clinical psychologists that her fartger and i had to attend and partisapte in. 2 psychologist interviewed her father and i in these sessions as another one assessed our daughter doing diffent tests in the act of play. Her daycare center, gp, her child maternal health nures and her father and myself had to fill out questionnaires on her and she at 3 years old still had about 3 or 4 diffent testing critira to be done on her and the child maternal health nures center did a separate lot of testing on her too that was a full afternoon of play based assessment with one talking to us the perants in the same room answering qustions about her and another testing our 3 yo. All in all , id say that all the sessions we attened equated to my be 12 hrs of face to face time for our 3 year old to be assessed not counting all the time put in by her day care , gp and us filling out assesments out of office contact hrs with my daughter and medical parctionors. In the time that myself and her father was interviewed for my daughter, thats when the psychologist suggested that i be assessed for ASD and ADHD too so add tgat 9 hrs with them to my assessment on top . So all in all , my assessment was done by 2 diffent psychologist offices x3 diffent psychologist and about 24, 25 hrs face to face contact just on the ASD part and had to do a 4 hr assessment at a adhd clinic and a 2 hr assessment with a psychiatrist on top. Im yet to compleat the testsing for auditory processing disorder and dyslexia that was recommend in my daughter's assessment ... lol , yeah my daughter's. It took a year to get on to a years long waiting list for her too and we did hers privately, not through the public health system that cost $900 5 years ago. My assessments in total have cost about $3500 all up and i just cant afford to follow through with the other tests recomended . But applying for the NDIS was even more grulling that getting a diagnosis for both of us that we have to do every 2 years and i have to be re assessed for my adhd ever 2 years to obtain a license for my adhd medication privately and the whole process of that starts all over again costing $$$ over several appointment and assesments

@kaylakurgun332

Жыл бұрын

It’s not having to share that makes one feel vulnerable and uncomfortable. It’s the toxic and traumatizing experiences in life that conditions one to internalize and build up big walls, because they learned that expressing themselves was not safe. So when it comes time to express yourself in a vulnerable way, it is incredibly uncomfortable because you are brought back to those unsafe moments in your life. Check out Gabor Mate videos. He’s brilliant.

@jaded9087

Жыл бұрын

@@kaylakurgun332 i know gabor matè work but its just the way the cookie crumbles. No one is going to be able to assess you for even if you are wanting a cancer screening without asking you questions about your health, lifestyle, stress levels, family history just as gaboe matè points out how all it is conected in his books hungery goshts and when the body says no. If you want to use his work , use it for what his message is , or misinterpret it and anyone that had any one in their maturnal family line that had a stressfull pregnancy or not a picture perfect up bringing, its ADHD meds for everyone. Every child concived withing the last 3 years are going to have adhd due to the stress covid put on the whole world and peoples personal lives if you want to throw around gabors work as a crutch to lean on , instead of learn from. Anyone seeking an adult diagnosis did not come around to wanting one if their life has not been effected by a lifetime of suffering and shame. Getting a diagnosis is a privilege in alot of parts in the world. I would not have spent $3500 to mask my ass off to not get a real assessment done if i was not willing to bare all. Its work and reliving pain but if its important to you to know what the hell is wrong with how you dont fit in this world and how your life has been a dumpster fire , your going to have to express how ASD has effected every aspect your life to find out if it is ASD or if its something else. Either way you cant seek treatment if your not willing to participate openly and honestly. Getting a diagnosis is not a golden ticket, its knowing your going to be in therapy for many more years to come because its up to you to ask for the help you need , even find it as you dont get given a copy of " the handbook to life being Neurodivergent " and a new excuse to use anytime you dont want to do something.

Always believed that I process and experience trauma differently than neurotypical people. It makes sense that our 'big emotions' amplify everything when faced with something traumatic, from death to infidelity. I've had therapy surrounding trauma, listened to podcasts, read books, yet still I can't seem to get past some things. I wonder whether anyone really does? Late diagnosis here in my mid 30s.

And silencing Autisic voices adds to the harm done and truma

Hey Orion. Thank you for a well done presentation of this topic. I am late diagnosed ASD and CPTSD. But here's something to think about concerning sleep issues. In my sleep, I blank out. No dreaming to report the next day. I just go into a coma-like sleep. It scares my family. And it's been like this since I can remember. I hear it's due to the trauma. I appreciate your work and enjoy your channel to inform me. You know us autistic, we love info.

@BM-lj9zf

Жыл бұрын

Really?! That sounds like me exactly. Almost never dream. Like four time I can recall in my life. And I’m dead to the world. When my SO and I first got together it freaked him out. Would check to see if I was breathing.

@KAT-dg6el

Жыл бұрын

I had read that we only dream during our REM sleep. So we are only going to remember our dreams if we wake up during or Immediately after the REM stage. Some mornings I wake up and I know I had a dream at some point during the night but I just don’t remember what it was. Other times I believe I hadn’t dreamt at all. But you are dreaming.

At 80 years of age I self diagnosed as being on the spectrum in the last couple of years. Even more recently I found about CPTSD and believe I also have that. I think we know that we're all different and I believe it's perfectly possible to have both. And I believe I do.

Straight up, If you are fighting PTSD or C-PTSD and you are autistic, PLEASE be assessed for adhd as well, I spent years and years in therapy and doing everything to get better. Got diagnosed ADHD about three years after being diagnosed Autistic. The problem with having PTSD and C-PTSD when you are ADHD is RSD, the RSD hulks it all up. Years of therapy hardly helped, but the adhd meds just made emotional regulation so much easy, and they stopped the obsessive memory loops and the ruminations and the suicidal ideations and impulse. RSD is the key is you are Autistic ADHD and C-PTSD.

Very thought-provoking! I'm autistic (diagnosed last year as an adult), and my sister has CPTSD (also diagnosed as an adult about 20+ years ago). So, this really resonated with me! There are SO MANY cross-overs between the two conditions! And you're right, a LOT of it has to do with the fact that most other people just suck. LOL!

@xoshelbz

Жыл бұрын

Autism is also genetic and tends to run in families!!!

You’re awesome and yes, the parsing is quite “complex” lol. Autistic with CPTSD. It’s similar to attempting to parse what is attributable to ADHD and what is Autism when you have both. Then parsing what is Pure Autism parse ADHD parse CPTSD parse maybe OCD as a result of CPTSD… yeah…. We could talk all night and all day with theories and hypothesis and opinions but if you’ve got it you kinda get it. If you don’t…. you kinda don’t 🤷‍♀️. Excellent breakdown! Somewhere in my core it’s just a knowing that the autistic brain from get-go is functioning in trauma mode due to genetics and then compounded by environment and it’s almost impossible to separate autism from CPTSD. But that’s just my own personal theory And my own special interest so yeah I love this video❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

@igitha..._

4 ай бұрын

Every trauma I've been through has made my autism\add symptoms worse, each time, without question.

Autism, CPTSD, PTSD... "Collect them ALL!"

Thankyou Orion for talking about this subject in an upbeat manner with reminders to not get bogged down in negative emotions. I appreciate your info on the differences and similarities. Your 'thinking out loud' that you shared with us made sense to me.

Thanks for tackling this complex issue Orion. As a self diagnosed autistic person with cPTSD; I can see and have experienced the differences. In short most of your assertions are correct but, there are a few similarities you may have missed. For instance, I see parallels between meltdowns and emotional dysregulation, masking and dissociation as well as distrust of others and avoidance. The difference as you said is that cPTSD happens during life and we are born with ASD. For instance, when I was treated for cPTSD and recovered from night terrors and other PTSD autonomic responses, I still had my ASD traits that were similar but not triggered by trauma such as trouble sleeping. The two conditions are so similar, it takes mindful attentiveness and perhaps therapy to distinguish between them. People with cPTSD can also have similarities in special interests that are actually obsessions or a form of escapism.

I have CPTSD and I'm autistic. My doctor told me my body has an issue with too much adrenaline, so not only do I have a hyper sensitivity to sounds and everything going on, but I also get constant anxiety thinking I'm doing something wrong, there's something wrong with me or I'm broken. Both of these makes the other worse.

@CricketGirrl

8 ай бұрын

⁠stop giving your child herbs!!! OMG!!!

@igitha..._

4 ай бұрын

what are you talking about?? Herbs are an important part of dietary nutrition .@@CricketGirrl

I lost my dad at 9 years old. My mom also had breast cancer when I was that age. Doctors over the years attributed my behaviors to those traumatic events. I honestly don't think I'd ever have gotten my autism diagnosis if it weren't for my son putting it into perspective by getting his autism diagnosis. Thanks for covering such a tough subject. 💞

@whitneymason406

9 ай бұрын

@JulianPark098 some herbs are not going to rewire someone's brain. You should be ashamed trying to take advantage of vulnerable parents and caregivers.

@CricketGirrl

8 ай бұрын

@@whitneymason406yes!!! I reported him for misinformation and spam because he's replied to almost every comment on here promoting this quack doctor.

@whitneymason406

8 ай бұрын

@@CricketGirrl ty! 💞

Big subject

There is definitely a difference in the anxiety from ASD, and that from trauma. I grew up in a healthy family, of other autists, and I was homeschooled, which is an ideal environment when the parents care (and mine did). Though I did have some anxiety from being different, it wasn't a constant thing, mostly just when put on the spot. Unfortunately, I was naive, and fell for a covert narcissist, married, and thankfully divorced now, and though I lack most CPTSD signs, I definitely have anxiety now. I found myself panicked earlier this year while troubleshooting a server issue, which, while serious, wasn't normally something that bothered me.

@yummy-craft-supplies

Ай бұрын

That bit about homeschooling being an ideal environment when a parent cares. I've retyped this so many times, so I'm just going to oversimplify everything and make it less personal. I was in public school for long, started homeschool part way through freshman year. Reasons for this being different to me and my parent. Glad to be out of that living heck but homeschool also sucks. It's not my parent's fault. Basic responsibilities are a struggle and it's hard to get myself to do school. I just want to be held accountable for school and not have the overwhelming responsibilities. There is no getting through to my parent, they constantly say I have mental issues but it's all my fault. My important feelings are ignored. My parent is not abusive or neglecting, even though it sounds that way. If you had all the context, it'd be understandable. There is just no winning. (That's still really long and I don't think I'm getting any point across. Perhaps it would've been easier to say, 'Yes, parents giving a crap is ideal!' Rather than me being all emotional and rambling on about something no one may need to hear.)

I wanted to share a bit as a person with ADHD and CPTSD who has been trying to sort through the parts of my struggle that present as autism in an attempt to weigh the value of seeking an autism diagnosis. Perhaps my ADHD makes some of this different for the neurotypical with cPTSD but I wanted to comment on a few things. My biggest struggle day to day is with emotional regulation. And I think a big thing that was missed in this portion of the video (and maybe this is specific to my own traumatic experiences but it seems like it could be broader) is that I often distrust myself and my own emotions, questioning what I am feeling and whether it is a worthy response to a situation. Additionally, when one’s amygdala is on overdrive, it makes it very hard to process what one is feeling and simply feeling too much at once can lead to a meltdown. Could this be my ADHD adding to this? I do think so because I think having so many “tabs” open at once and taking in and trying to process so much information while also in a hyper vigilant state can easily cause a person to be overwhelmed but I do think a neurotypical with cptsd would have a hard time processing emotion in hyper vigilance as well. Another part of the video I disagreed with a bit was the simplification of issues with social interaction and communication for someone with CPTSD. This also comes down to the same two issues, a mistrust of self and hyper vigilance. Two examples: I have always struggled to make eye contact but I always prefer to speak with people in person rather than over the phone. I think this is a result of hyper vigilance. There is a lot of information to take in for a person with CPTSD to take in to feel safe and I don’t get enough of that information over the phone. But there is also a lot of processing that has to go on to be sure that you’re saying the right thing to remain safe and while I can make eye contact while a person is speaking to me as long as my environment isn’t too distracting, I can rarely make eye contact while I am speaking because I’m being so careful with the information I am pulling to present in a way that will cause the other person to be threatening. This sounds a lot like masking so you can see why I’ve been wondering if I’m autistic for so long (and honestly I may well be and the dopamine seeking part of my neurobiology overrides a few of the autistic hallmarks) The other example relating to communication is that I often miss subtext or communicate in a blunt manner at times when it’s not expected. I’ve come to believe this also has to do with hyper vigilance. I think the amygdala being on overdrive can get in the way of understanding social cues and often leads to misunderstandings that can make a person feel like they just don’t understand how to be a human. I will also say, and I’m sure it’s mentioned in other comments, that finding a neurodivergent human who is not also struggling with CPTSD is incredibly uncommon. But I also oddly find comfort in knowing a healing journey is worth it for all of us.

I feel pretty confident I have both. It accounts for so much. And if anyone is looking for more info on CPTSD - Patrick Teehan LICSW has a KZread channel that is soo good and focuses a lot on that topic.

Thanks for actually saying as fact that Autism and CPTSD can exist together. So much info online suggests they are exclusive diagnoses which I think is such a dangerous oversight for young Autistics who are trying to understand themselves & any harmful exposures they might need to take a look at.

Hello. I've got C-PTSD and Autism and ADD. PTSD on its own has physical manifestations, being autoimmune, cardiological and gastroenterological. C-PTSD can evolve into Borderline Personality Disorder. I wasnt diagnosed with Autism until Jan 2022, and ADD in 2019. I know Ive had them my whole life. I have been through such profound trauma in my life, an unreasonable amount seemingly in comparison to other people.. it feels like lifetimes worth... Trauma can also happen in utero and at birth. When I was born I was born with forceps, quiet violently. Dr said it caused a rotation in my top vertebrate which is known as Atlanto Occipital Subluxation. Trauma on the home front. Trauma being bullied at school. Assaulted as a teenager. Then in a head on hit and run collision at 20 where they never found the guy who hit me, no help thereafter. In a home invasion where I was kicked in the ribs hair pulled and given a concussion in September 2008. Taken hostage in 2012 by ice junkies that I had only just met through a friend and had no idea they were into that crap who thought I must have had something to do with their ex-husband, only to find out six and a half hrs later that of course I didnt. Taken advantage of over and over again in friendships and relationships as well as professionally. Went through a serious domestic abuse situation in 2017 that I escaped from but was still being harrassed 3 years later by the sociopath with his new partner and their new baby together, assaulted by a security guard during Covid Lockdown from MA Security group at Coles supermarket in 2021, and most recently uninvited from my brother's wedding for no good reason. His wedding was yesterday. ......Just to name a few..... That's aside from the regular discrimination I experience from the public and from NDIS "support services" that are supposed to be helping, funded to but do not help... Where should I be looking for help???

Orion, You really hit the nail on the head in this video and THANK YOU! Sometimes hearing it out loud really brings home all the points you raised. This video helped me a lot and is much appreciated. Keep being awesome and keep making great content.

Really Complex stuff Orion. I recently got diagnoses anxiety cptsd adhd innattentive and some autistic traits that have been there all along it can be very hard to get adequate proper and sensitive diagnosis in 40s. It's great that you are sharing and letting the world understand comorbidities of these conditions. I have children with asd too. Neurotypicals don't see it as clearly when it's high functioning.

This described most of my life. Kinda feel like i was always treated fucked up because of my condition this has had a really awful effect on me still even at 33. Ive gotten to the point i dont trust people that approach me. I go home qnd keep to myself for the most part.

Thanks for sharing Orion. It makes a lot of sense to me. For me as a late diagnosed ass / PTSD. I am also wondering about (ADHD ) although, I was n’t a very hyper active child. But I keep thinking how my life coups have been if my autism was recognised at an early age. Because the trauma’s that happend to me and not getting any help for salvation in a good manner that made it worse. Thanks for your helpfull information. At least I am a happy woman. And I love my children ❤

The irony of me watching this at 5.50am because I just decided that I have had enough sleep 😂 been diagnosed with CPTSD and still waiting on my ASD assessment

Thank you for these videos. I hope you’re well, and I hope you realize how many people you help.

Childhood neglect can cause CPTSD as well as trauma caused by abuse. Not being able to connect to an emotionally unavailable parent can be a huge cause of cptsd for an autistic child.

A fascinating conversation, Orion!

I know CPTSD well - CSA survivor - not sure whether autistic or not - stimming but how to differentiate stimming from CPTSD or Autism. Triggers? - people driving too close to me, people standing too close to me in queues, especially tall men, loud/annoying noises, why is everyone so loouuud?! the reckless behaviour of others around me - e.g. a truck trying to literally drive through me at a traffic island the other day. Hypervigilant - Mistrust of most - hyper-independent, reliant on self, suspicious of peoples' general and specific motives, self-isolation, A good general explanation of CPTSD in this vid, and a good description of hypervigilance too, but I would add, it doesn't have to be a long, prolonged period of time' =it can develop because of the nature of abuse e.g. how close a family member that perp was, for example, and the reactions of others surrounding the survivor - e.g. most survivors are not believed, or at least diminished and many are gaslit or kept silent by family members until they step outside the toxic family system and become truthtellers. Then you become empowered, and have empathy - break the toxicity and you are no longer held by the toxic machination of the family of origin. people with CPTSD are often great in a crisis i.e: protective of others, can easily sense peoples' motives and tricks - many go into caring professions such as nursing, teaching 'and helping professions - looking so much after others, they forget to look after some of their own needs. Society is bloody blessed to have survivors and Autistic people too - I'm convinced its an attempt to teach the increasingly narcissistic in society to stop and take a look at themselves!

Dude yes. Figured this stuff out on my own but you my friend have put it into words for my husband to understand. Thank you!

This is a very complex multi-layered topic with lots to unpack. You did a great job explaining differences as well as overlapping experiences with clearing. Thank you!

Thank you so much for doing this video! I appreciate the upbeat and respectful way you addressed this sensitive topic. The mind is such a complex thing to unravel.

I am so so glad you’ve done a video on this. I personally believe the importance is very significant but rarely talked about. Great job and thank you.~😎Doc

Thank you, Orion!

Thanks for sharing this so clearly Orion. Many of us I assume will have both. You being out there gives us hope and certainly makes one feel less alone. God bless. XXX

Thanks orion! Another amazingly helpful video, greetings from Shropshire UK

Bravo. Standing ovation. Very well explained. Very helpful in my work with clients. Regards South Australia 💫

I have cptsd from a lot of childhood trauma so I never considered that I might be autistic because it seems obvious that I would just have cptsd until both my children were born. They're both non verbal autistic, now I'm looking into the possibility of me being autistic. Few years ago before I started to remember the traumatic events I was suspected of having antisocial personality disorder. Also the sleep in cptsd can be a result of the abuse (or at least in my case) happening at night so I'm more alert when the sun goes down, good video, thank you for the work you do, thanks to you I'm learning how to better understand my kids more than any of the 'professionals' I've spoken to

Hi mate, keep up the good work! I'm finding your slightly dialled-down engagement style in the last few videos more easy for me to digest, so thanks! This is a great video on an important topic.

This was very interesting. Love your thinking-out-loud, it really is difficult to figure out where one thing ends and another begins. I have ADHD and suspected ASD and PTSD, I resonate with both sides of this discussion; really need to get around to going to therapy to unravel it.

I am currently in the process of assessment very much thanks to your content. You are bringing so much information to your viewers. This topic is of particular interest to me because my clinician suggested that I am experiencing behaviors/emotions associated with unaddressed trauma. But I could not name a particular traumatic event. Listening to you I realize that trauma is a little like chronic pain. The pain itself may remain unchanged and tolerable at first, but the perceived intensity rises when the pain is relentless. So too can small traumas experienced over and over again.

As an Autistic person I can totally relate to what you are saying here. Thanks for bringing this subject up, I found it interesting.

Thank you for this video. I have childhood trauma and I know I have autistic traits. This really kinda helped put it together. Thank you.

oh wow, lots of Qs. Good info!

This was very interesting to listen to!

I am so hungry for this content. Thank you. Thank you so much for sharing this information. There are so many people who need it.

@orionkelly

Ай бұрын

Thank you!

Hey Orion, very interesting topic. I'd like to dive a little deeper if that's OK. So I was diagnosed with c-PTSD in 2020 at aged 46, turns out I've had it my whole life & not known as my first trauma was as a toddler. From that first trauma I was emotionally stunted & not having it treated led to a lifetime of detachment. Just wanted to highlight that for me, emotional dysregulation has been a huge part of my life. I am now learning how to navigate my life more peacefully thanks to learning a few different coping strategies. Keep up the great work you do, you're awesome!! ✌️😎💪💜

Yeah… Good old sensory trauma prolonged overtime gives you the regular, basic CPTSD… Then sprinkle in some classic physical and sexual abuse and you’ve got a multi layered, very complex neurotic individual:-) But I’m guessing treatment is all the same with some overlapping features. Thank you for addressing this a lot of people overlook these things and only address them individually. my life‘s not super distressing anymore, because I’m somewhat reclusive. My triggers are many.… and I’m learning to regulate my emotions every time I have one.

awesome video - i need to start listening to your content again - havn't watch a video in six months - it looks like you have some really solid content 👍

THANK YOU SO MUCH

Dear Orion, first of all thank you so much for this very informative video! I wanted to share my short story as I relate to this topic in a great deal. I've had a few "depressions" over the years, which I didn't know the cause of and really wanted to know where they come from so I went into therapy for this. I've now been half a year into therapy where the therapist suddenly started to suspect autism. I went into research mode, wanted to learn as much as possible about it as I could and suddenly my life seemed to make sense again, all the puzzle pieces fit into place. So I went for an official diagnosis, but got diagnosed with CPTSD instead. Now I got really confused because I feel some things are not right. I have a strong feeling that my traits do not have a root cause from trauma. Watching this video is EXACTLY how I would describe how my traits would be the same as they can occur in CPTSD but just knowing they're here for another reason. My guess is that I've been misdiagnosed and this video is really validating for the doubts I had! So thank you for this!

Thanks for the CPTSD label

Thank you!

From someone with c-PTSD who is married to someone on the autism spectrum, this explanation is excellent. Thanks 🙂

Mate, Thankyou ❤

GREAT VIDEO. the overlapping is insane, the more I learn something I do is a "symptom" the more I see similarities, distrust can make a child isolated for years and lose the ability to convey their feelings or process them. Being unable to convey your feelings might lead a child to distrust people to hear their attempts at expressing themselves. If a child were abused mentally or neglected or bullied for yeas, their social skills won't develop. I have all the symptoms of high-moderate masking autism, yet I have repetitive traumas, panic, and anxiety attacks. My first memories are of me being overly sensitive to noise, smell, sensations, and people, and also being panicky, anxious, and agitated. I can't tell which one came first. I heard about the "unmasking" technique but I'm anxious about doing it as it may put me in danger if those actions were my defense mechanism. The environment I grew up in is bad and I don't even remember every single traumatic detail that happened. I'm just glad I got out alive. The first time I walked into a mental institution, doctors told me "The first time we saw you we knew you were a traumatized kid, just by the way you presented yourself". But also, in schools, I get asked "Do you ever talk?" "Do you have any friends?" "Are you by any chance disabled?" "Why are you so slow in understanding social cues?" the number of times that one girl told me I'm stupid for not getting new social cues and hints..etc is insane, it lowkey makes me anxious to talk any further lol 10:24 made me think I'm probably a high masking CPTSD if that's a thing. I was once in love, and during that time, whenever we were in a completely safe place alone I would be sleepy and be able to sleep for a few hours without drugs -which is a miracle-, so perhaps it's not autism. But I remember being a chronic insomniac since I was a child, even when I barely could understand the traumatic stuff that was happening, could my mind subconsciously make me alert when I wasn't realizing the reason? So, I know for sure I have CPTSD but let's see if those autism symptoms apply, this might help someone: 1-developmental milestones: yep, was a fragile child, walked later, and didn't participate in playing with others if I wasn't invited (was it because I wasn't interested, or was it because I worried I might be beaten? IDK) 2-intense fixations: yep, they change, they might come and go, but it happens occasionally. 3-social challenges and taking things literally: yep and especially with people I'm not close to to memorize their expressions and usual tones..etc. But again. I grew up almost always isolated or bullied. 4-co-occurring conditions: I have nasty depression and anxiety which came from traumas, and also ocd tendencies (germaphobe) because of having a weak immune system.

Every single thing you explain in every video so far is like you are unwrapping my life and whole being. I have made a referral to a clinic now. 3 of my kids are already being assessed for ASD so it's probable that I am too?

I experienced violence as a child and I have the flashback triggers which tie into that; although some might want to quibble over whether it's PTS, PTSD, CPTSD or some other "TS" or anxiety-related pigeonhole. However it's labelled, it doesn't change the fact that this has a huge impact on my relationships and dictates my need to surround myself with a safe living environment which excludes these triggers - even if that means living alone. Interestingly, just yesterday, I scored 36 on a poorly worded, two decade old autism test (Baron-Cohen et al.) which places me in the autistic Spectrum with 98% confidence (I'm currently 55). So now I have to wonder if what I experience is a flashback or a meltdown...? What makes this interesting is if I dredge up other sensitivity issues which seem unrelated to the psychological trauma I experienced as a child and do not trigger memories of the trauma. One of my flashback triggers is the raised or abusive voice that typically accompanies domestic violence. By contrast, I have sensitive hearing and really don't like particularly loud noises because it temporarily "blinds" my hearing much the way someone shining a spotlight in a person's face will temporarily blind their vision. It's unpleasant and uncomfortable in exactly the same way as a 1000 watt spotlight to the face. That said, I'll take the spotlight to the face or the deafeningly loud noise or both over the abusive voice any day. By way of a somewhat different example, if I inadvertently drag my fingernails across the paintwork of a motor vehicle, that will partially stun me. The sensation isn't just overwhelming; the perception of it doesn't stop for several minutes afterwards and the ongoing ***perceived*** sensation is unbearably overwhelming for me. I only found out about the car duco thing this century when, oups, fingernails met duco for the first time and it was like fingernails on a blackboard intensified and amplified two orders of magnitude. No bad memories, there, either; just overwhelming, perceived sensation that continues for long after the trigger. This sensation, despite being very intense and overwhelmingly uncomfortable, is also far, far preferable to the raised or abusive voice. Coming at meltdowns from a psychological angle, I'm currently under a 60 day notice to vacate (like so many other Australian renters displaced by greedy dishonest landlords who are exploiting a loophole in the Residential Tenancies Act to dodge regulatory scrutiny of what is an obviously a CPI-aberrant and excessive rent rise). You can probably tell from my tone that I'm not exactly thrilled to be placed at risk of homelessness for fun and profit. I have a fundamental need for living stability (to know there'll always be somewhere safe for me and the things I've invested my life in, such as possessions) and, evidently, things don't work this way and only millionaires deserve living space safety and stability. This has impacted me so severely that I can barely think of anything else, it interferes with me getting to sleep and I wake up wondering if I'll have anywhere to live in a couple months and whether it's really worth living at all if living boils down to this. It's not just anxiety but a sense of rage over the long-standing loopholes, the empty hypocritical talk, and favouritism being exercised to exclude people in my situation from access to what we need most - while pretending to do the opposite. Funny thing is, distraction works (much as it does for meltdowns) and that Autism test was a good distraction. It bought me the first few hours of peace I've had in weeks. So now I'm wondering if my "anxiety attack" or "panic attack" (not sure which is which so let's throw both out there and see what sticks, eh?) might not be more of a meltdown? Either way, it's not fun.

The worst part is when you have both. And DID. So three things simultaneously. DID is like extreme CPTSD. When a child experiences repeated abuse before age 6, the brain creates "another " to handle it. The brain keeps doing this and the pathways between the parts never form. Like disconnected rooms in a house. It is very simple yet misunderstood.

@Megan_and_squad

2 күн бұрын

But we survived.

Watching this video is like watching myself trying to explain CPTSD and ASD to other people. I feel seen!

I have many neurodivergent traits. It is hard to determine which are from birth and which are from childhood trauma that basically began as soon as my senses developed in utero. This video helped me figure out some things to explore. Like development delays, I was initially delayed at primary school in my learning and then overtook my peers from year 2 onwards. Autism runs in my family and I get on with autistic people really well. I feel like I was masking from a VERY early age so a lot of the classic developmental signs would have been hidden. We definitely need more discussion on this topic.

Interesting insights here. I hadn't heard about the known sleeping problems yet, so now I have two topic to look into. Thanks. 😅

Sometimes I can not watch an entire video, but have to split it up into bits, or re-watch several times. I find the subject VERY interesting, but, the not medicated ADD, (I get negative physical side effects from medication 😣)kicks me in the brain and I often find my self thinking about 4 other different things, things I just HAVE to do 🙄,.. before I realize that I am not listening,.. or I am reading comments instead. BUT!, I really like your videos, and your perspective(s), so THANK YOU Orion, and I will eventually get through this one to 😉👌🏻

Omg someone made this video!!!!

I have cptsd and I'm also a mother of a level 3 autistic child. I see our similarities but not the very defiferences

Hey Orion, as a former Multimedia and Radio Television Broadcasting college graduate, I know it's not easy to make these kind of videos but you do them with such grace and you really make it look way easier than it really is. Props to that! Furthermore, trauma/CPTSD is such a complex topic that is NOT easy to explain. I've done it in some of my videos on my channel but you broke it down and explained it in such a beautiful and simplified easy to understand manner. You really have a knack in articulating your thoughts as well as public speaking. I'm glad you have the time to really focus on your channels, raise the level of understanding, and that your wife is supportive and provided the space to do this because I know without a doubt, you found your "calling".

@orionkelly

Жыл бұрын

I really appreciate you saying that.

I think being on the spectrum myself and having a child who had colic was traumatic. She screamed for 2.5 years and I had no alone time. When I hear babies cry I want to get the heck away as quickly as possible. She is 15 now and in the process of being diagnosed. I’m not sure if I would’ve ever been diagnosed had her symptoms not made it impossible to effectively mask my own. I think I can be happier now with a diagnosis than if had I just managed to pass as neurotypical enough to get by. I understand her better than I would have had I not found out our challenges are similar. Thanks for all your videos, they’re helpful and very much appreciated.

Other people’s reactions to my authentic experiences…yes I agree, this is how it is for me.

My mind is a battle ground. I'm still fighting my war. I will not retreat.

Very interesting. So many acronyms, terms, names. There's a long list of long words (conditions) ending in -er, -ism, -ia which I "have". I prefer to keep it simple - I "am" autistic, end of. I believe support should always be directed to the individual's needs and these may change overtime and not be standard and based on their level or current "classification". We would only ever be diagnosed if we had "problems". I've seen it written that only if you are suffering should you seek a diagnosis (how little they know of our experience of life!). I walk miles and miles a day so I just switch off at night (early). So if you have the time try it. I wake up very early to the non-surprise gonna be another autistic day, motor-running feeling and like to read then in a relatively quiet world.

With CPTSD often there are suppressed emotions. I’m learning how to deal with anger at 40. I also think I’m undiagnosed in some way beyond the trauma and gen anxiety. It’s been bullying from people to act different or get over it. I’m in burn out.

My autism was diagnosed after I started treatment for CPTSD. In my case, they are comingled in a big Gordion knot.

Dr. Mike LLoyd from the CTAD clinic (@thectadclinic) did two videos on the link between dissociative disorders (disorders stemming from trauma) and autism. A great watch for anyone wanting to do further research.

11:10 i totally agree with the relationship between autism and cptsd. i think i have cptsd from everyone being bothered by my existence, definitely. it makes total sense that we would, with that kind of social isolation. i mean, if you think about it, our social standing is completely related to our survival. one man alone in the jungle is not at the top of the food chain. only the tribe is. so being alone is actually a huge threat to a person's survival. being put outside the circle means early death, almost definitely. social isolation for long periods of time definitely causes cptsd, imho. i'm no pro, but i've read and studied as much as any pro, being obsessed with these "special interests," lol. and i don't have kids, so i've had more time to read than most pros, too. great video, thanks for this. respectfully, d

PDs gained through trauma of being constantly "in trouble" over just being autistic 😅 The whole "I know you are intelligent enough to do better" is a whole trauma in itself... Like I don't get it either! Why is world so difficult to exist in? I am not lazy, I am spent on daily and would love my 18hr nap in a dark room now instead of more math, thanks.

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The combo of having strict parents with zero understanding of mental health and a sibling that does everything right while being slightly less naturally intelligent in their opinion (so "why can't you") 😓 I'm okay to never live with other people ever again 😥🐈🐱

Transformational 😌🙏

I have another one. How about ADD with CPTSD vs. Autism. Is that somehow distinguishable?

I am an Autistic Adult formally diagnosed at age 42 I am now 46. I have my 3 Perfect Babies who I see on weekends. This was a super good video I thoroughly enjoyed.

um, both. After years of stuff, I realized that I am just like my kids, I just used to be able to act. Now I have no buffer. No wonder that my kids are my favorite people, I can relax around them. and oh my gosh!! the lack of sleep!! (nailed it)

I have not been diagnosed with ASD. I'm starting to question that, though. But this is something you might find interesting: I am long-time diagnosed with a couple chronic pain diseases (or multiple diagnosed symptoms of probably a larger cause, IMO). My primary care physician has been helping me a lot more than my specialists in general positive progress for my overall health, which has helped my disease a little. Well, he asked me to consider and try to confront and process possible childhood traumas that may be contributing factors to some of my chronic illnesses - and that's where this gets interesting.. I immediately thought about some childhood experiences when the topic of childhood trauma was presented, but I didn't have a "traumatic childhood" by any definition I would have given. There were events that were extremely impactful on me, and in a negative manner, but I wasn't abused or anything we typically think of as "trauma." After stumbling onto your channel and watching I don't know how many videos you've shared, I began to question my neuro-normalness. I actually tried to disprove my hypothesis of autism by making a small lost of my "quirks" and "odd struggles" but the list got very long and I'm starting to consider this may be part of what I've been dealing with for my whole life. And suddenly the "stand out events" of my childhood, that I associated subconsciously with "trauma," have a new lens to be viewed through. Perhaps those events would not be traumatic for a neurotypical child, but they would have a traumatic effect on an autistic child? Not that they were specifically "bad" occurrences in my life, or that anyone was "to blame" for how I perceived the world, but the result for me was traumatic. That's really interesting. And as I first processed these ideas, I felt a strange sort of emotional release and a lower overall level of awareness of my chronic pain. It was actually like a key unlocked a chain I didn't know I was bound up in. That has me even more curious about ASD, but also very anxious about so many details involved with that, but then also maybe a little bit excited for some new tools to help me regulate my health if I can understand myself better. Maybe that makes some kinda sense.

Eye opening

What is intresting is that both autistic and people with C-ptsd share the same sense of being a bit alien and not really belonging to the human race. I don't agree that C-PTSD doesn't have comorbidities pretty much all mental disorders tend to be highly comorbid PTSD included. (C-PTSD is a subset of PTSD not a completely different diagnoses.) While I think trauma of living with autism is greatly underestimated in the current system there is specific criteria for a trauma that can cause PTSD, roughly it has to be sexual or physical violence or a life threatening situation either for yourself or a close loved one so not just any traumatic event. Especially with C-ptsd stemming from early trauma it's not easy for an individual to connect what they are feeling to the trauma, like I'm diagnosed with C-PTSD and my nightmares tend to be more just absurd rather than clearly the traumatic events. Emotional flashbacks (just flashing back to the feeling not clearly the event ) are really hard to tell apart from meltdowns or shutdowns. C-PTSD and autism are probably highly comorbid because autictic traits make you more vunerable to predators as a child and the autism often gets missed in the diagnoses for people who are good at masking and expecially in females with atypical autistic traits because the symptoms are so very similar.