Alex and Lee: Your collaboration is absolutely topnotch! Great chemistry together, complementary explanations, applied physics, superb editing. Hoping you both keep it up ... and maybe team up on some LLB Valmont Bike Park live instruction?

@JoyOfBike

3 жыл бұрын

JD Dallager Wow. Really appreciate your kind words. Let us know if there’s a topic to cover. Working on a list of ideas. Lee has tried to suck me into some assistant coaching occasionally. Maybe we can make something special happen. That could be fun.

@lee_likes_bikes

3 жыл бұрын

@@JoyOfBike That would be SUPER fun!

@karirwilliams9693

3 жыл бұрын

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@therealclayharper

3 жыл бұрын

+1 on this comment. Power couple.

@daveking2795

3 жыл бұрын

Easy to follow your explanations as they make sense. I am looking forward to trying the pop and drop when our weather allows. Thank you for taking the time to show the science at work.

Love this: “Don’t rush it, don’t let people push you; progress at a rate that gives you maximum joy”. So well said!

@JoyOfBike

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! If it stops being fun something is wrong!!

@yengsabio5315

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed! As a middle-aged beginner, I now need to learn how to pop with my hardtail MTB. I want to experience the joy out of poppin' an MTB!

@SlowpokeShred

Жыл бұрын

Quote for the ages!

@karljuan8908

Жыл бұрын

H! Can I do with hardtail? I'm 85kg fat?

I just learned more than I did my entire junior year of high school.

@JoyOfBike

3 жыл бұрын

😂

@lee_likes_bikes

3 жыл бұрын

Ha, thank you!

@aaronfoley1

3 жыл бұрын

You had a really bad high-school

@mannyechaluce3814

3 жыл бұрын

That's what I tell my mum every time she tells me I watch to much KZread videos :D

@djr_adventures

3 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure it's because we only watch things on youtube that we're actually interested in!

love the physics in the explanation not just repetitive shots of the drops. this is what you get when a mature rider does a tutorial.

@JoyOfBike

3 жыл бұрын

PJ Sinohin Thanks PJ. This one took a lot of time with calculators and equations but I absolutely love adding the physics.

@8iamretarded8

3 жыл бұрын

interesting to think about but totally inaccurate in this example. the '10mps2' only if nobody on the bike as a riders mass through the pedals will influence this rate possibly even increase the rate due to the leverage (pivoting around the rear axle). though in reality hands gripping will counter this rotation & therefore the riders body mass creating a triangle between tyre contact points, and the theres then the inertia of the total mass rotating - this rotation is initiated by the front wheel dropping off the lip. good technique for riding drops is as much about countering and controlling this forward rotation than anything else. the timing between your wheels passing the drop point. longer duration = more rotation lesser duration = less rotation hence why at high speeds there is literally no rotation off a drop when maintaining a firm riding posture

@VailSkateSupply1

2 жыл бұрын

Overkill

@paullambert2668

2 жыл бұрын

@@8iamretarded8 10 mps 2 is the acceleration due to gravity. It's not related to the mass of the object being accelerated, and it's a constant. Well, 9.8mps I think. But anyway, rider doesn't change that.

I prefer not doing a pop drop technique (except for really slow drops) because if you do the pop to early your rear wheel will catch the back of the drop and it will slingshot you 180 degrees in 0.2 sec 😂

@experiencewithmartin972

7 ай бұрын

that is why speed is important

@krneki111

6 ай бұрын

you mean like his example at 2:55 where this is exactly what happens? This technique is not only bad, but also very dangerous.

Best Channel for the old dudes learning how to ride! I am 44 in a couple of month and just started riding bikes. Your videos are super helpful! Thanks for that! 💪🏼

@JoyOfBike

3 жыл бұрын

Great to hear!

@ironymatt

7 ай бұрын

Clicked on this thinking it was going to be a video with more than 40 mtb tips

@carbonpictures

6 ай бұрын

I turned 60 2 weeks ago. I built a small drop in the field behind my house and in just 3 hours I went from being terrified to riding the drop with confidence after taking notes of these videos. The biggest tip for me was to keep the hands weightless...@@JoyOfBike

@jessicathompson9699

5 ай бұрын

And old dudettes

the danger here is, that if you "pop" less than necessary, your back wheel can hit the edge of the ramp and that will turn your whole bike and your face into ground.. try more like lighten the front wheel and in the last moment pop from the back wheel. Thats easy and much safer

@repentorperish1386

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah instead of a traditional bunny hop similar to this vid, you can do more of an American bunny hop style of pop

@matthewmcgregor2769

2 жыл бұрын

Or you could just fly

@danib1ke331

2 жыл бұрын

just scrub it

@jakubvrana9888

Жыл бұрын

I agree, this tutorial is actaully pretty bad for beginers. I bet some people get hurt hopping from drops if they dont have absolutely perfect timing or enoough speed. Definetly much safer and controled way is to more like bunny hop into landing.

@rapzid3536

6 ай бұрын

This is how I mostly always do it due to having learned jumping BMX bikes at young age.. Only really do a full "pop" launch at higher speeds on rather even surfaces; need to know that back tire will clear. Otherwise I unload the front(maybe just hand back, maybe give the bars a bit of a tug) and get weight on the back wheel and give a little jump just before the crest. An oddly time bunny hop but no hopping might be involved; just momentum redirection.

That comment about "hitting the flow zone" is so true. I find that when I'm being more playful and moving around on the bike, I feel so much more comfortable getting in the air and just kind of letting the bike work with me.

"This drop wasn't built by Alpine Bike Parks, it was built by Boulder Community Hospital Orthopedic Department" 🤣🤣🤣

@JoyOfBike

3 жыл бұрын

MTB conspiracy theories!

@lee_likes_bikes

3 жыл бұрын

Ha!

@mrvwbug4423

3 жыл бұрын

Having ridden that drop I agree, tail cased it like my 4th or 5th time hitting it and barely managed to save it haha.

@supergreg72

2 жыл бұрын

I laughed so hard I spit my food everywhere 😄

I love that you bring in some science. I've watched dozens of drop videos, but this is the first that made something click and got me feeling like, "okay, I know how I can build up my confidence now." Thank you!

@JoyOfBike

3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Thanks gents. I’m a 65yo accident on wheels, but your explanations (particularly this one) are so helpful. I’m still trying!

I am SO glad I stumbled on this channel! It's nice to see a couple of guys in my age bracket teaching me things I can work on. I am very new to mountain biking, been a long-time roadie, and looking forward to new skills. THANK YOU!

This channel is the single greatest mtb training channel on KZread. Well done gents.

@JoyOfBike

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoy it!

I love that you actually explain whats happening with actual physics, rather than some mushed up paradigm that is vague.

It's nice to see a proper explanation into what is actually happening with the bike, instead of the typical put your weight back and figure out the speed to roll in. Amazing channel!

@JoyOfBike

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! 👍

Thank you for your inputs,..still practicing it at 33 with my hardtail bike.

the thematic music absolutely sets off the killer mtb advice. love you guys

Brilliant video. The explanations create that Aha moment as opposed to seeing riders flying off or over things without understanding why.

@lee_likes_bikes

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Denzil! One of my rules, and I think Alex is on the same page, is to *show* what we're talking about, rather than making the viewer create his/her own mental picture. We'll keep getting better at this. Thanks for watching!!

@denzilbart5882

3 жыл бұрын

@@lee_likes_bikes yesterday I cleared a 4m tabletop for the first time after studying and watching a How To Jump video you did with a female Cyclocross and XC rider. Your whiteboard descriptions really helped this 50yr old understand the dynamics of getting off the ground. Thanks Dude🤟🏼

@lee_likes_bikes

3 жыл бұрын

@@denzilbart5882 Right on man, right on!

Watched a few dozens of videos and this is the clearest explanation I have seen so far!👏

Great advice guys. I use this all the time in situations like this. I have had a few mishaps where I began my pop too late, and you already know what happened after that: a catastrophic nose dive over the bars and over the drop into the ravine. But like he said practice this a millions times on small drops till the timing for the pop at any speed feels natural.

I love the measured and scientific approach of this. It was not about "feel", it was focusing on "this is the speed you need, this is how high to jump".

Your "Luxary Low" really made the difference in the last few Weeks Riding. I have to smile sometimes because it is so simple and it pops up in Mind all the time now when i get into this Situation or even a other unexpected sketchy situation. Your Channel rules! Thank you very much for all the amazing Content! Seeeend it!

I never understood this technique from lee’s book , until now. Now it make sense when lee says pump the before the jump.

These two videos were perfect. The previous video for Whistler Bike Park, and this video for my local trails on the North Shore in Vancouver.

I really love this channel - I'm a 63 year old mtb rider and I am loving shredding the trails - but I'm quite a cautious rider - I wanna be braver and jump more and learn to manual etc etc ... this channel has taught me loads - thanks !! Keep em coming. Lee is a superb tutor...you're an excellent double act

@JoyOfBike

3 жыл бұрын

Keep shreddy!

Love your channel.... thanks for doing these over 40 videos. I've always been active, surfing, snowboarding, motorcycling... and always wanted to MTB. I'm just getting into it at the ripe old age of 54... these old bones (don't heal as easy as they used to) REALLY appreciate your wisdom and skill. Your vids are helping me a ton. Thanks guys.

@JoyOfBike

3 жыл бұрын

Welcome to the club!!!

This is such a helpful video--and thanks for allowing me (us) to start small until comfortable. You're not rushing me, which I love. I also appreciate understanding the angles at which the front tire drops, depending on speed. This is really something I feel as though I can practice and get the hang of. Brilliant.

Agree with JD, the chemistry is really great. Nice to see some older guys still sending it. At my age I'm looking to get better.....at my own rate, and with fun......not get hurt!

@JoyOfBike

3 жыл бұрын

Perfect goals!

You guys are smashing these videos!! Great job Alex and Lee! Thank you boys!!!

@JoyOfBike

3 жыл бұрын

Right on. Thanks 🙏

I've learned so much from Lee. I took a clinic from one of his coaches and it REALLY helped.

This is the best description I’ve heard. Educational and clear. I will be practicing!

been doing this in riding for years, still learned a few things from this vid. awesome!

"Progress at a rate that gives you maximum joy” - Wow!! Words of wisdom! I'm 44 yo who just rediscovered the joy of bicycle recently; trying to do stuff I didn't get to try when I was 14, lol.. Thank you very much for the super clear, super helpful and super awesome instructions!!! But most of all, thank you for the wisdom and contagious positivity!!

Best drop video I've watched. The presentation of rotation as compared to speed is exactly what I needed to understand what's going on. Thanks for putting in the extra work to get that across.

@JoyOfBike

3 жыл бұрын

Mike Bradley Right on! Stoked that it helped. It’s fun adding that little bit more science.

@lee_likes_bikes

3 жыл бұрын

You are welcome!! Science --> understanding --> confidence --> fun.

Thanks for the video!

Best how to drop video i've ever seen

@JoyOfBike

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you dig it. Welcome to the channel!

@lee_likes_bikes

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Welcome!!

Awesome video! I like how your facts are backed out with the speed vs angle chart! It kicked in for me! thanks for sharing!!

The break down of what actually happens to the bike is amazing. I've never understood it as I do now thanks guys!

@lee_likes_bikes

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

One of the best videos that I’ve ever seeing on KZread to understand the drop technique! One more fan!🤟🤟

@JoyOfBike

3 жыл бұрын

Happy to hear that!

These are awesome lessons. Thanks guys. Love the humor interspersed also!

Topnotch content indeed! It's the best video I've watched so far about drops. You did a scientific approach that clearly explains the physics behind a drop. I've been looking for content like these. I'm happy to have found it! More power to you both!

@JoyOfBike

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks 🙏

you two will turn me into a great rider love your videos please keep them coming

Great video! Exactly what we over-40 guys need! Seems at this age things just don't come so easily, we need a thorough explanation. Thank you sir!

Another good video. Time to go practice. It is interesting to hear Lee say that just by adding the pop he hit the rock drop more comfortably and joyfully than the other hundred times he has done it. There is always something to learn and get better at riding trails. Thank you!

@JoyOfBike

3 жыл бұрын

Paul S YES!!! Always something new to learn. I’ve been working on 360s and I’ve got Lee working on his 180s.

Very informative, I have wondered this for years. Thank you

Love your videos! I hope i can apply all of them.

Great clip! 🏆 Gotta try it

Demo at the beginning is a brilliant illustration.

Guys your channel is brilliant, I have no words 👍👍👍 Too bad KZread didn't recommend it earlier. I am subscribed to many MTB channels, I have seen countless videos on how to do drops, I have been practicing to manual for weeks a few minutes every weekend. Still I am unable to reliably do a "clean" drop. I saw this video with no previous knowledge on how to pop my bike; went out to try it, the first 3-4 times only my front wheel popped, but I was conscious on my bike position and what the video explained, so after a few more tries I managed to reliably pop both wheels. It was time go to my "drop test area", a clean dirt road with a side drop leading to a clean flat area; the drop is between 30 cm in the lowest part to 60 cm in the highest. I started slowly so went to the 30 cm drop section, and I did it first try with perfect control! 😤 Or as perfect as I could hope for. I repeated a few more times with the same results. So of course I went for the higher 60 cm section. I landed nicely on the two wheels and absorbed the hit with my legs and arms easily. I repeated this a few more times and every time I could reliably do it. I am so glad 😊 . I have to keep practicing it before I can apply that on a trail with little run area and a more difficult landing, but this is the first step. So thumbs up 👍. I'm in my late 40s, been riding XC for all my life, only for last year I started doing some more technical stuff, gnarlier trails, steep downhills, garden rocks... Of course my lightweight XC was not suited so after saving for some time sold the XC and got myself a nice trail bike. Not on the high end, but I love my Canyon Neuron :) . Additionally I checked your bike fitting video and I'm all good here as well 😃 .

@JoyOfBike

3 жыл бұрын

Welcome to the channel and congrats on the progression. Appreciate the words of encouragement.

Simply awesome you guys are doing great.

Best mtb channel I have seen in a long time, no non sense content! Also love how Lee shows things exactly how he put in the book. Keep up the good work boys!

@JoyOfBike

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks 🙏

@arturlach6830

3 жыл бұрын

@@JoyOfBike As colorado shredder myself I should stop by Valmont one day and pick your guys' brains 😀😄😄

@JoyOfBike

3 жыл бұрын

@@arturlach6830 That would be brilliant. Maybe jump in a private or group session with Lee.

Working on my "pop" this weekend!

Have been riding for a couple of years but have been terrified by drops in general because I couldn't understand how to land safely. Watched so many videos on drops but yours has finally given me the understanding on speed and gravity effects .. thanks so much for making such a valuable video.

@JoyOfBike

3 жыл бұрын

Happy to help!

Glad I stumbled across your channel, I’m 36 and only recently got into mtb so taking in all your advice, definitely making me want to ride more. Great channel 👍🏽💪🏽

@JoyOfBike

3 жыл бұрын

Welcome aboard!

Very well done 👍🏻 👍🏻 You guys are giving me the confidence and knowledge I needed to try drops and mid sized jumps. Cheers from Canada 🇨🇦

@JoyOfBike

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

After popping over a painted line or sidewalk expansion joint (@4:00) a few times, try this for your next progression: Do the same exercise on a trail that has exposed roots, water bars, or embedded rocks that stand proud of the track. Those features will give you instant and non-ambiguous feedback regarding your execution of the pop. No need to video yourself. You could put a stick on the sidewalk, but if you hit it with your front wheel, it will move and you won't know how your back wheel did. There is a bonus: you'll be landing on a trail, so you'll start developing aim and landing skills on surfaces that are not as smooth (AKA: artificial) as you'll find at a skills park.

@JoyOfBike

3 жыл бұрын

gato ryak Great idea. Great build. And there’s nothing more fun than popping roots and rock on trail.

@lee_likes_bikes

3 жыл бұрын

That is a great idea.

Thanks. Never crossed my mind. I like the way you guys think. Brilliant!

Great stuff bro!!!

Wow!!! Great coaching. I just subscribed!!

Love your teaching style and stoke.

Phenomenal content. Been riding for years. This was very helpful and will pass it on.

@JoyOfBike

3 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear it was helpful. Keep shredding.

It works! The timing got to be right! Practice off the trail helped me lots. I am now subconsciously popping everything! And of course the turbo is much forgiving for the last minute speed gain. Thanks 🙏

Watching your videos is a continuous string of lightbulb moments.

@JoyOfBike

2 жыл бұрын

Wonderful!!

super useful, thanks 🙏

fantastic video, my first Joy of Bike vid and already checking out your website. Excellent instruction style and graphics, probably the most informative tutorial I've seen here. Thank you.

@lee_likes_bikes

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you and welcome!!

I love the length and packed content of your videos ... just long enough to have time to explain everything with a couple repetitions so we can grok it. Great job here!

@JoyOfBike

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you like them!

think I just found my favorite mtb skills channel, thanks guys !

Great video, this is the best video I have seen explaining the physics behind drops. I could never figure out why wheels didn't land flat and now I understand why.

Top notch tips....thank you...!!

Good stuff, thank you

Really well put together.

Great video on drops! easy to follow and great instruction by adding the pop in the learning process! Helped a bunch! Plus, added humor keeps me laughing.

@JoyOfBike

3 жыл бұрын

Welcome to our nascent channel Joey. We will try to keep you smiling.

Excellent video!

I love the detailed explanation! And this is just the first video I watched from your channel. Already clicked subscribe.

Really enjoying these videos! Keep it up

@JoyOfBike

3 жыл бұрын

We have lots planned for 2021. Welcome to the channel!!!

Great stuff, guys! Your approach plus the physics somehow makes the techniques really comprehensible for me. Started 8 years ago, now 58. Got a 15 year-old son to keep with! Subscribed when I saw your Manual vid.

@JoyOfBike

3 жыл бұрын

You and your boy are gonna have a great few years. Mine is 24 now!!!

Las time this bunny hop 'pop' technique save me from a most probable bad crash. I was going downhill at speed on my road bike on this new stretch of very smooth tarmac, on a road I was not too familiar with. Then I suddenly saw a dug up trench across the whole width of the road some 50 feet ahead, and at the speed I was going there was no way I was gonna stop or slow down enough. My emergency mode kicked in and a split second mind decision to pop over the trench which was around 12 inches wide and 4 inches deep with hard sharp edges. I made it and I was so relieved that I had saved myself and my bike too. It's good to practice this technique regularly so that when you need it, it will come naturally. Nice video well done!

huge video...thanks a lot! subbed! ✌👊

Great video! And great explanation of the technique!

@JoyOfBike

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

Nice Job Guys! Love the slow motion and basic physics explanations

@lee_likes_bikes

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you and welcome!

I liked seeing the degree angle difference based on speed. It makes sense, but it helps to see it illustrated like that.

Best Drop lesson ever ! Thank you.

@lee_likes_bikes

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Jay!!

Love these vids - I use them to progress my confidence and ability and recommend them to buddies! More, more , more pls!

@JoyOfBike

3 жыл бұрын

More to come!

Lovely and awesome hats off 👏

Nice one! Thanks for the good instructions 💪

I really love your videos too. Started mountain biking at 40 and now at 44, I have discovered a love for going fast and for getting air on my bikes, even my fully rigid fatty in the winter. Sometimes I think I might be crazy and wonder if I'm too old to be pushing myself like this and learning more advanced techniques, but then I decide that I just don't give a shit. It's way too much fun! And besides, I feel like a kid again when I'm on my bikes anyway! Looking forward to more and more videos.

@JoyOfBike

3 жыл бұрын

Well if you’re crazy at 44 what does that make me at 57? 😂 Rhetorical question.

This is really good I need to practice n practice n practice this. Just hit a 5 foot drop and crashed, I wish like hell I had a video so I could see what I did wrong . This is going to really help me. I hope !!!! I took Lees class many years ago at Demo I loved it.

Again - Super!!! I hope you two keep cranking out these instructional videos! Would love to see a video on pumping down a rocky trail and how to smooth over obstacles and also use obstacles as a launch pad for speed and control. I've seen pros who seem to keep a pretty consistent pump going while picking a line that works with their rhythm while also modifying it for more major obstacles.

@JoyOfBike

3 жыл бұрын

We have more ideas. Snow has landed here so we will be looking for windows of opportunity with trail openings. I think your idea is really good. Was watching some World Cup DH and the pumping and popping sections is constant. And outside of racing it’s just fun and adds creatively. Could probably do 10 vids on pumping, jumping and line selection.

@lee_likes_bikes

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! Great idea. We have some excellent rocky trails around here.

Great explanation, thank you!

@JoyOfBike

3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Very good with the illustrations ! Nice and helpful video.

@JoyOfBike

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

Great video guys!

You Guys are the best! This video is a revelation for me

Wow... im at a lost for words! This is awesome!

@JoyOfBike

3 жыл бұрын

Bren Bascos Thanks Bren

Love this channel, good content guys, keep it up ❤

@JoyOfBike

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Will do!

Top notch tips fellas, appreciated :)

@lee_likes_bikes

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Lots more to come.

Great help thanks

Great tips guys, I'm subscribed now thanks and take care👍

@JoyOfBike

3 жыл бұрын

Andrew M Welcome to the crew!

Nice tips!

Thanks for the tips ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️👍

great job!