93% is a 7% loss from 100%. Your battery health is fabulous!

@chargeheadsuk

2 ай бұрын

Mine is circa 88% at 98k I did a test on my channel

@danng0756

Ай бұрын

This is how I interpreted it too, lol.

@walther89

Ай бұрын

yet you dont know when it goes bad instantly, there no wear marks for it to find to prevent this.

@mddunlap03

Ай бұрын

The issue is the sudden deaths definitely happen and unlike a car I can't go grab a used one for 1500$ and drop it in the car is just a toatal loss at that point

@mr.robot.5.9

27 күн бұрын

this is not true. it is not showing health lost, it is showing pack health. source - I work for Tesla.

Andy is the reason i wanted to buy a tesla. I bought it back in 2020, 1 year after purchasing my tesla i was in a car accident and i truly think Tesla saved my life. when firefighter paramedics came to check on me they told me that if the car wasn't as bottom heavy as it was i would have most likely rolled. i came out of the accident with a totaled car and no injuries other than a mild concussion, bumps, bruises and scratches. Thank you Tesla for making the safest rated car in the world.

@mostmost1

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for that info.

@billcichoke2534

Жыл бұрын

That's funny...a car without a glass roof rolled down a cliff and the people didn't even need emergency services to get out. And it was a Hyundai Elantra. Better results regardless of ending position...one third the cost.

@CozmicTaco1

Жыл бұрын

@@billcichoke2534 the real tragedy was driving a Hyundai

@Gremlin256

Жыл бұрын

What car did you replace it with. Glad to hear you are ok

@billcichoke2534

Жыл бұрын

@CozmicTaco Agree as it's a quality vehicle. But then again, neither is a Tesla. Same lower build quality, but the Hyundai is 1/3 as much money. And is less reliant on software.

7% health is how much you’ve lost.. not the overall battery 🪫 health

@witness1013

Жыл бұрын

No it isn't.

@adam060577

Жыл бұрын

Yes it is. It is the battery degradation

@joshmills7368

Жыл бұрын

@@adam060577 yup

@witness1013

Жыл бұрын

@@adam060577 No - it 100% is NOT - that's a fact, I'm not guessing. Does that mean my 4 month old car - which reads 100% on that test is 100% unhealthy ? You're a clown. Check the 100's of other videos showing results in the 80% plus range for same car - and keep dreaming about owning a Tesla!

@mrnarason

9 ай бұрын

The fact that the guy didn't catch that makes him seem slow af

The battery replacement is about $20,000. Car isn’t worth half that at this point. That’s why buying them used is buyer beware because, even on a test drive, you have no real idea of the condition of the battery.

@lilah66

14 күн бұрын

I can't get my EGO electric leaf blower battery to last past 2 years. God help someone with an electric car.

@parterojerry

8 күн бұрын

So, for a buyer to consider buying a high mileage Electric car, it must be cheap, because I know that I will have to plan to service the battery in the near future!

@grazz7865

8 күн бұрын

@@parterojerry exactly. A test drive around the block will not tell you the condition of that battery.

@arnoldss383

6 күн бұрын

I've replaced batteries on S-E-X-Y while still under the 4 year warranty.

@patrickkillabrew6207

4 күн бұрын

Can’t learn much about a used ICE motor on a test drive either.

Biggest cost for electric cars: resale value. No one will want to buy a Tesla with 200k miles. Let alone the depreciation hit you took after purchase

@AdamTreier

22 күн бұрын

Man, I have been looking for a Model S/3 with 200k miles thinking they would be 12/15k... they are going for 20k yet.

This video is really on point because I am currently at 115,000 miles with my 2019 Tesla model 3. Thanks again for all of your help and The Truth!

Would be really nice if down the road you could get an upgraded pack (range and/or chemistry) if replacement is needed.

I have a 2018 model 3 long range with a bit over 160k miles fully charged my car also gets 280 miles hope it keeps working this well for years to come

@jianbinchen2881

3 ай бұрын

do u really get 280 miles?

@Daddychill945

Ай бұрын

@@jianbinchen2881no

@dunes4242

22 күн бұрын

In good weather only

@martinramirez1166

22 күн бұрын

@@dunes4242 well definitely true thankfully I live in California so it’s always pretty good

@martinramirez1166

22 күн бұрын

@@jianbinchen2881 no official testing but I’ve driven from the South Bay to los Angeles California multiple times and the numbers seem decent

Fantastic video! I would imagine that 7% is the amount of degradation, meaning you've lost 7% of battery life, which would align with what you are seeing on the Recurrent page or a close approximation at least (310 - 7%= 288.3). On a side note, it's mind-blowing how well it's holding up. I don't drive nearly as much, so I can only imagine that in cases like mine, the battery could possibly last 10 years easily. In my current car, I only have 13K miles after 2 years of ownership, and I don't see it getting over 30K before I sell it. It makes me wonder if manufacturers should all start valuing EVs, based on battery health and not just mileage, similar to what Recurrent is doing. It only makes sense to do so in a car that has very few wear items on it. The old system made sense because engines had only a certain life before they started giving issues, but now, it doesn't make sense to keep the current system for EVs.

@Airplanefan477

Жыл бұрын

wow 13k in 2 yrs!! I've got 27k and I've had my M3P 10 months!!

@ProXcaliber

Жыл бұрын

@@Airplanefan477 Yeah, I mostly only drive to and from work, pickup the kids from school, occasional Costco runs, and once in a while a short vacation trip. Daily though I only drive about 30 or so miles.

@MG-uu6vt

Жыл бұрын

It also seemed to me that the 93 range score may mean that you have lost only 7% of charging capacity. I suggest you check with Tesla and use the info to publish a follow up video.

@laloajuria4678

Жыл бұрын

nope.

@abeibrahim5846

Жыл бұрын

I said the same without reading your note - great minds think alike 🙂

maybe 7% is 93% good, meaning health you have lost 7% of life,

@Berretotube

Жыл бұрын

I think you’re spot on!!

@fiat.freakx19

Жыл бұрын

That’s what I’m assuming also!!

Best view is its either a glitch or needing some other way to interpret result. Very reassuring video either way Andy for so many concerned about the battery life.

I'm holding on to my "Gerty" until I have to replace the battery! 😀 Great video. Thank you!

It would interesting to access each battery cell voltage. May be you need to do a full charge-discharge to have the BMS balancing the battery. You should try an OBd2 scan tool such as Scan My Tesla. It provides Battery degradation information and Cells voltage.

It could be 7% loss, and I hope it is. But could also be increased internal resistance, which doesn’t directly affect capacity though they happen simultaneously. Internal resistance affects amps hence watts. Is acceleration reduced?

@blake343

5 ай бұрын

I dunno, If a company could put a 93% on there instead of 7% they would have

Interesting , Thank You . Much better than I expected

I have a Model Y with 70k miles ... super happy with it.

Andy, please do a follow up on this as we all are looking forward to the outcome, Thanks much

@RoschetzkyPhotography

11 ай бұрын

For real!!!!

@genisphyla

4 ай бұрын

Yea

@mattrowan2680

3 ай бұрын

@@genisphyla Consumer Reports and Edmunds tell a vastly different story vs. this video and these comments. Further, the recent Chicago area cold temps showed the world what really happens with EVs in cold weather. The "range" numbers drop unbelievably. Nope...I think I'll take Consumer Reports & Edmund's word and stick to my Toyota ICE with a battery that I can buy at O'Reilly's and install myself without spending 20 or 30 grand. Or tires that wear prematurely and cost 2 grand to replace.

I have a performance at 140,000kms. I spent 3 months last year travelling in the car using superchargers. When I did the test, I got 86%. I am keeping it until it's dead. But I think a important thing to keep in mind is the battery pack price is going down. With faster and better manufacturing and improvements in scale. That price is dropping like the price to buy the car new.

@DerekVuong7799

11 ай бұрын

Tesla has honestly reach their economy of scale and by the time you're replacing it I doubt they will use the same battery technology. You'll probably be using refurbished batteries that people combine good cells with.

@jd6197

6 ай бұрын

The new factory produces NEW batteries which are not compatible with old cars, so, don't expect a big drop

Congratulations on reaching such an impressive milestone with your 2018 Tesla Model 3! With a range score of 93 and only a 10% degradation after 120,000 miles, it's understandable why you're inclined to continue driving your Model 3 confidently. For me I'd still drive it but will continue to monitor battery health closely while adhering to best charging practices. Hope that in the future they have a charging limiter for these.

Hi Andy. I just read about you on "EV's - Inside EV's" on Sunday, 05/07/23. It is about your information and knowledge after 120K or 5 years at owning a 2018 Tesla Model 3. It was a very brief informative article about your care and maintenance knowledge on the car.

This reminds me of the time I went to a health portal and misread test results to mean I had cancer. Feels great when you find out from a professional that you are wrong.

that warranty seems really good

Andy, Keep the car and keep informing and advising us, we follow you and believe you.

This is why the Service mode is for professionals and not for everyone. As others already said, the 7% is the number of the battery degradation in the case of your LR. Being that the range number seen at 100% isn’t a number based on past driving history but on a BMS algorithm computation, the degradation of the battery can’t be determined easily by owners. Especially in cases when people use their car only for driving 30-40 miles a day. In those cases the range number is fluctuating because the BMS can’t read the max and the min voltage of the battery pack. So drive once in a while your battery from 100% to 3-5% SOC in a single run (no stop) to help the BMS to relearn the real Min and max cells voltage on your pack.

@jamesdawny1855

8 ай бұрын

Or people could just be taught or the instructions could be clear. It says battery health 7/%. Not battery drag ruin 7%. So it's unclear and y'all tryna get on dude like it's funny.

@Fear.of.the.Dark.

7 ай бұрын

I have seen numbers like 95% or 99% for newer cars. So are you saying their battery is 95% degraded in that case ;)

@pebble100c

5 ай бұрын

The label should have said Battery Degradation rather that Battery Health.

@9mmfederalrimmed235

5 ай бұрын

"They" on purpose use confuscating language in order to maintain the monopoly of repair and knowledge over the car. They could easily described the item in normal understandable language like "Total battery degradation on this battery since you received it new". That would do it and any child would understand it instead of this lawyer yibberish not even the judge understands lest the jury which normally has no clue whats going on and thus relies completely on emotions. Put that description in clear language and then no "professional" is needed to read a simple book.

@sailingonasummerbreeze7892

5 ай бұрын

@@9mmfederalrimmed235 Such truth on juries relying on emotion.

In regards to your concerns about the battery health of 7% I am wondering whether the display is correct but sort of inversed. You have a range score of 93 (%?) yet a battery health of 7% (add both figures and get 100). Could it actually be that the battery has only degraded 7%, ie 93% healthy? I hope you find the answer.

@linusa2996

Жыл бұрын

Battery capacity is not the only measure of battery health and some of the warnings and failure reports are hidden from the owners by tesla. In one reported incident, the owner used the diagnostic program to check on the battery and it warned him an error in one of the battery modules. Tesla fixed the problem by having the diagnostic program stop reporting the problem.

Thanks for the good video! I don’t think the testing system is working properly. If you still get a decent range compared to when the car was new, your battery health is good. I think you driving and charging responsibly has helped keep the battery giving you up to 90% range of the new. Drive until it doesn’t hold charge and by then new battery technology will make them lighter and more energy dense and of course cheaper!

great vid andy

I'm about to surpass 100k miles on my 2018 and my range loss from 310 miles is down to around 294 to 297. I have ran my car to less than 10% several times and range charge on road trips and about once every 6 to 8 weeks. Recently discovered that charging to various percentages maintains the most accurate on screen readings. So some times 70% 80% but the majority of my charging ends up at 90%. In 2021 it was only charging to 283-285 for the whole summer and then increased by the end of the year and there has been no drop in my range since then. It's all relative 😁

@gtbigdog3507

Жыл бұрын

I’m half that and I only get 275 miles

@davidbeppler3032

Жыл бұрын

@@gtbigdog3507 Do you live in the artic?

@gtbigdog3507

Жыл бұрын

@@davidbeppler3032 Los Angeles

@ithinkicanmakethat6294

23 күн бұрын

@@gtbigdog3507you live in traffic. 275 makes sense, no?

Did you do a follow-up on this to get a Tesla interpretation of what "7%" is supposed to mean? What about the other data provided by doing the test, what does it mean? Would you consider running the test on her/your Model Y for comparison?

My P85D battery pack failed 20 days after warranty expired, 10 days after I bought it from a dealer, and the same morning I has a service center appointment with an unrelated issue… Dealer wanted to replace module(s) for 4K but would not honor implied warranty of merchantability in my state to replace full battery. It has been a 4 month long nightmare, to say the least. I would rather have the battery replaced, but I fear the other components will also need attention with 100k and 8 years old. So, I bought a new Model 3, but regret it because supercharging is a lot more expensive than I anticipated and is equal to the new car payment.

When I used to long distance travel to and from work I put 120,000 miles on a vehicle in one year at times.

Out of Spec Reviews got the same puzzling result, and he charges only to 50-70% at home. Like others have suggested, it’s more likely the 7% is your battery degradation. Your current range estimates are consistent with 7% degradation.

@Afynion

2 ай бұрын

L

Out of spec did the same test and got a similar result the first time. He found out there’s more to the test to make it accurate.

@davidbeppler3032

Жыл бұрын

Yep. Professionals have the tools and know how. That is why you pay them. :)

@officialyasir

11 ай бұрын

​@@davidbeppler3032there are no special tools needed to run the battery health test. When out of spec got a similar result as Andy, Kyle contacted Tesla service who confirmed there's a bug in the system that was causing incorrect battery health test results.

Great video 🎉

Definitely keep going. I have a 2022 model y long range. I will run it until the battery dies and replace the battery, then rinse and repeat

@kv1930

3 ай бұрын

I'm guessing if you save 2k a year for battery replacement after 10 years the funds will be there for a new Battery!

I have almost 90k miles on my 2020 MYLR, and the battery degradation is about 8%. I plan to keep it for as long as possible.

@bigballer3249

10 ай бұрын

That's bad

@DracoGuitars

10 ай бұрын

@@bigballer3249 It's not bad at all. Typically Teslas lose about 10% of battery life over the first year then almost nothing more after that.

@climatenomad

2 ай бұрын

@@DracoGuitars nobody I know got as high as 10% loss in the first year. It's higher at first in general but nearly 10%

Great info, early cars like my Nissan leaf 2012 had no thermal management aka cooling so they degraded a lot quicker only have 30mi range on my leaf it's over 10 years old I'm considering dismantling the pack identifying bad modules and changing them out

@rogerpearson9081

7 күн бұрын

Thats the problem with the Leaf. Much as I am not a Tesla fanboi, the battery management is very good when it comes to thermal management. As for rebuilding the battery pack, I would suggest it is a fraught exercise because you will be chasing your tail with other cells dying weeks or days after you rebuilt it. Not to mention the hazards of dealing with a high voltage battery pack and trying to match the new cells with old cells so they are compatible with the charging system. A good way to burn your car if the new cells don't like being charged as much or they keep the charging going longer on the old cells. A lot of DIY home battery and DIY scooter builds show a bad history.

Hey Andy, fantastic video as always! Really enjoyed hearing your insights. I'm also a proud owner of a Tesla Model 3 long range 2018, boasting 60,797 miles under my belt, and I've been the sole owner since day one. Just recently, I decided to run a battery health test for the first time, and to my surprise, it displayed an 84% capacity. Your experience with a 7% discrepancy raises some interesting questions; could it possibly be attributed to a software glitch? I'm curious to know if Tesla provided any insights or resolutions regarding this matter. Keep up the great content!

What we should be concerned is BMS imbalance… not degradation, degradation has been proven not to be a significant issue with electric cars. The most common cause of battery failure is cell imbalance. That’s the concerning part of owning an Ev outside warranty and the main thing keeping me from buying an EV outside US, Asia and Europe. I want to buy an EV and send it to the Caribbean but battery cell imbalance has me worried

Mileage is not the concern. Calendar time is the big issue. I've had various battery chemistries in various plug-in hybrid models. The company I worked for had a fleet of hybrids. Pretty consistently, at around year 10, regardless of mileage or battery chemistry, batteries start failing.

@tiloalo

7 ай бұрын

Exactly why tesla offered unlimited mileage for 8 years with the first model s.

All these maths don't mean anything until you actually go through the ownership cycle. Most people won't experience any of it as they change cars on average 3-5 years. It really applied to those that keeps their vehicles 10 years or more, which is me. I am not against EVs in general but not for it either. I think there's better alternative, and still waiting for more options. But it's definitely makes for a good dinner table discussion.

@jpizel1070

28 күн бұрын

Exactly. I have never kept a car for longer than 4 years so it all depends on your needs and if you are planning to keep it long term.

I’m a scuba diver and I’m always looking over my shoulder. 😂😂❤

I would keep driving it. I have a 2018 dual motor it’s been a great car.

Hello Andy, I've been following your KZread page since 2018, and all of your post are always on point. Thanks for giving us the best reviews when it comes to products specifically Tesla model 3. I'm reaching out to see whether you received the software update with the Zoom feature for your 2018 model 3 and is it working? Currently, I have a 2018 and 2019 model 3 and I'm told by Tesla service that unless I install the FSD 3.0 computer I can't get the cabin camera to work. Please advise thanks much! RC

I have done approx 20k miles on a 2022 Model Y LR in 8 months. I plan on keeping it until I can no longer drive. (I am on my lay 50s now). Will replay the battery as needed. So I would say keep it….

@kv1930

3 ай бұрын

I hope you are right sir! By the time you reach 85yrs there will be full self driving!

Yippee Ki Yay Slye Andy! Riverboat Gambler mentality! Being from Cincy I LOVE IT! Since your Tesla is well maintained I think HAPPY TRAILS are ahead of you my good man.

One of the best Tesla reviewer.

Renault has addressed this issue by offering to lease the battery instead of owning it. It is like a permanent warranty, or an insurance, at a monthly cost. Right now it’s about $74 per month. Less than one gas fill up (~$8+ per gallon in Europe).

@NextGHaHaHa

4 ай бұрын

hm this insurance has the potential to go very wrong imagine your tesla battery dies on its last year of warranty you will get a new one for free meaning you would have payed 7200$ of insurance with the renault for nothing

@wshyangify

8 күн бұрын

​@@NextGHaHaHaHave you ever had an iPhone that lasted 8 years?

@NextGHaHaHa

8 күн бұрын

@@wshyangify has an iphone more than one battery cell or active thermal management?

Great video Andy. Thank you. I hopefully keep my Tesla for about 10 years too. I had it for 4 years now n 34k miles, with FSD . Still loving it.

@JetFire9

5 ай бұрын

You are going to learn something painful. By 10 years, your car will be worth exactly $0.00. Why? Because by the time you sell your car, the world will be very aware that 10 years is the real expected life of the battery. Battery replacements and repairs will not get cheaper. You will be asked how old is your battery, and at 10 years old, it's considered a scrap car. Mark my words, you will lose whatever savings you think you were going to get owning a Tesla. It will be a complete money pit for you by the time you reach 10 years.

@bn880

5 ай бұрын

at 10 years most batteries are basically shitting themselves, even at lower mileage

@JetFire9

5 ай бұрын

@@bn880 Even Franz said 10 years on Leno's Garage. He's literally Mr Tesla. Why wouldn't any fanboys listen to Mr Tesla when he tells them they and the environment are screwed with expensive and environmentally bad battery replacements? You can google so many battery experts telling you the same thing. Expect 10 years. You might get 15, but do you feel that lucky? If so, bet all your money on #16 in Roulette, because your odds are about the same.

@ithinkicanmakethat6294

23 күн бұрын

@@JetFire9you have got to go touch grass.

The value of a 100k miles 2020 model 3 here in the uk is around 14k. if the battery goes you aint replacing it. Your just going to part the car out and be done with it. These are not cars that should be repaired. They should be recycled or scrapped once they battery life goes bad.

Thanks Andy. I just purchased my first Tesla. It’s on order. A blue long range model T. I think your channel can be very helpful for me and my Tesla in the future.

Great video. I have a Model X from 2016 with 77K miles on it, will try your secret trick to find the battery life, thank you!

As stated below, your 7% doesn't sound bad at all. My 2018 Model 3 RWD LR is about at the same state. Also bear in mind that based on my Michigan experience battery SOC is extremally temperature dependent. I drive a 100 mile route almost weekly in temperature ranges from -7 to 100 F at a nearly constant speed of 60 MPH. At 75F the range estimate is nearly perfect, at times during a morning drive gong from a crisp to warm morning, I have even experienced range increase! As you state, it is mostly about battery chemistry. and most 3s and Ys have the 21700 battery. That being said, your original 310 miles of range is the benchmark of a brand new battery pack and you can expect a 3-4% drop as the battery "settles in" over the first year or two. Then expect a 1-2% drop over the next several years. Depending on your charging habits, that drop off should somewhat flatten if you only use supercharging sparingly and generally keep your charging cycle to 20 to 80% (roughly 60 to 250 miles range) at level 2 charging. Then I would expect the battery to be serviceable for another 10 to 20 years. Some "tricks" to long battery life; charge as soon as you can if below 40% and try not to leave the car sitting with a low battery, that is the worst. Only charge to 100% occasionally when you know you will want the the extra miles right away. Long term sitting (I define as over 2 weeks), best if you can leave it plugged in at level 1 or 2 and set the charge to 50 to 60% If you need to let it sit without being plugged in long term, I would try to leave it around 70% and leave things like security monitoring off and resist the temptation to keep checking the phone app. This allows it to go into "deep sleep" and will minimize "phantom drain". Anyone with and comments, suggestions or experience please do so.

@alexnutcasio936

Жыл бұрын

What you said is most impressive, but its also total speculation. Objectively, we don't know how much and to what level to charge to as Tesla has often changed their guidance over the years (just ask Like Tesla Kim). Even Toyota can not agree on that level to charge their Prime vehicles, but they do know what they charge their hybrids to and its typically between 20-80%. Given that, we're speculating that 20-80 is the perfect range for a Tesla battery buy no one knows ( since at least 2018 models) how long a Model 3 or Y battery (2020) will go before needing replacement. In fact, we're just getting the Model S and X indicators now and the S clearly shows that after a few years (define a few) that the S battery from the S 75 or the S60 now need replacement, so they are essentially paperweights at this point since replacement exceeds fair market value of vehicle. Basically, its all anecdotal and supposition at this point. Tesla insists that supercharging is not bad for a battery, but many claim or believe otherwise. So, we don't know what we don't know.

@gust9464

Жыл бұрын

I agree with pretty much everything you said. The only thing I do (bc of commute daily) is charge to 90%. Off days, 20% to 70% or 80%. 2170 cells are like magic rocks. The chemistry with these batteries are awesome. Let’s hope the 4680’s do well in project highland. 🤷🏽

@alexnutcasio936

Жыл бұрын

@@gust9464 we don’t know if Project Highland is getting 4680s. 2170s seem to be just as good.

@lawrencecoleman6998

Жыл бұрын

@@alexnutcasio936 depends so much on the type of battery. Our ModY uses LFP (HV)and Li-ion for the low voltage. So charging regularly to 100% is the preferred method. Since the individual battery’s voltage range is much narrower than Li-ion so less mechanical and chemical change/wear. LFP batteries should hold their SOH and range much longer than Li-ion.

@davidbeppler3032

Жыл бұрын

@@alexnutcasio936 How can you compare the batteries from Model S from 2014 laptops to the EV batteries in 2020 Model 3/Y? They are different chemistry, form factor, quality control, battery management, cooling, and charging. I expect my TM3LR to last more than 20 years and a million miles. Just based on battery degradation statistics. We have the math.

Weighing the cost of battery replacement against the cost of a new car might lead one to just go with a new battery and save 30K on a new car purchase. However, I personally would be concerned about the drive assembly and the rest of the car's systems after more than a decade on the road. All these concerns have lead me to be skeptical about buying a used EV but you have at least shown that the battery question is less of a concern than I imagined, at least for a used Tesla.

@BrenttheGreat

9 ай бұрын

I bought a used 2012 model s and after 1000 miles had to replace the $7500 powertrain. Not fun.

@lenacheney

9 ай бұрын

​@BrenttheGreat wow that really blows.

@BrenttheGreat

9 ай бұрын

@@lenacheney Yeah! Darn it.

@tiloalo

7 ай бұрын

It is not, plenty of batteries just stop working altogether and you need to replace them. Degradation is clearly not the problem.

@lenacheney

7 ай бұрын

@tiloalo your right all of the people complaining about their ev batteries aren't about degradation but of sudden failure not under warranty. People like to overlook this and argue they can go for 300,000 miles. Also another issue with Ev batteries are they can spontaneously catch fire and take hours to put out as they keep catching on fire over and over and over

I don’t think you have much to worry about, we live near Vancouver Canada which is a magnet for thousands of TESLA’s (there are five on our street alone) of various models primarily 3’s and Y’s even saw a PLAID the other day. Considering the S has been around for over ten years I have never heard of a battery or electric motor failure in a S or any other TESLA for that matter.

Apparently the cost here in the UK to replace the battery is around £5-6k, which seems very reasonable to say you'll get another several 100k miles out of your car again.

I own a 2021 Model 3 SR+, with 31,000 miles on it thus far. Here’s my take on this non-issue: IF my car needs a new battery pack (and that’s a gigantic IF) and it’s out of warranty, I’ll get a new pack. Far cheaper than getting a new car (average new car price is $45,000 now). The Tesla is reliable, and it gets OTA updates which keeps it current and fresh. A new battery pack would let me keep driving my fun, cheap, and easy to live with Tesla? That’s an easy choice for me!

@alexnutcasio936

Жыл бұрын

So, if I am reading you correctly, you're willing to spend (lets say $14,000) for a new SR battery in 6 years when your car has a value of $15,000? Sure , makes sense to me , LOL.

@gbw28

Жыл бұрын

@@alexnutcasio936 Battery costs keep falling and technology keeps improving, In 6 years time they probably won’t cost 14K,and there will likely be even more service shops out there who will fix rather than replace the battery. 6 years is a long time so highly doubtful things will be the same/cost the same as today. That’s the metric I’ve used when ordering our Model 3. 8 year 192000 km warranty, we drive 15000 km per year so I’m happy with that. We plan on keeping ours for 10 years.

@alexnutcasio936

Жыл бұрын

@@gbw28 "We plan on keeping ours for 10 years. " Good luck with that. Ask any old Model S owner about their OLD battery and your mind will change.

@gbw28

Жыл бұрын

@@alexnutcasio936 like I said, batteries will be alot cheaper by then so who cares? 10 years is a very long way away. Plenty of ICE cars needing expensive engine and or transmission repairs at that age and even younger. How many of them have 8 year 192000 km warranties? The stories of ICE car owners having very expensive repair bills just out of warranty are plentiful. There are model 3 owners whose vehicles have done 100k miles and even some 200k miles, no battery replacement necessary.

@alexnutcasio936

Жыл бұрын

@@gbw28 haven’t seen a single Model 3 anywhere with 200k miles. It’s not unusual for a modern ICE engine to go 200k miles without any major issues and if it’s a diesel, 400-500k miles is not unheard of . P,Ys, a new JCE engine is more like $3-5$k, not $25k for a battery. The cost advantage is still with the ice long term.

Glad to hear, presume the 7% is not bad. I dont drive much per year, and worry i would be wasting the car by letting it sit so much. The opposite of this, but still a concern: constant maintenance charging..what could go wrong? And Michael jorden is a dated example my man, though I did get the analogy!

@RoschetzkyPhotography

11 ай бұрын

Probably make it last longer , the less you drive the longer between your charging cycles , your battery could last forever if your charger cycles are far and few between Jay Leno owns a 1905 Baker electric , still runs today and only had batteries replaced once or twice in 100 years

Your battery is good. My 2018 M3LR has already lost 13% range with only 89k miles. I have only supercharged 4 times in nearly 5 years and nearly always kept battery charged between 20-80%.

@Meandaddy

Жыл бұрын

you mostly charge the 3 with your wall charger at home, right? Do this: Write down your current max range and for the next 3 weeks, charge your 3 with the 110 volt slow charger and after 3 weeks of 110v slow charger, see if there is any increase in range.

@bigballer3249

10 ай бұрын

Terrible and yall bought at a luxury price point

Toyota, Škoda diesels one 13 years old the other 15 years old with over 300,000 miles each on the clock, and both cars still running fine, using no oil between changes, and the fuel consumption being pretty much the same as when they were new. Should your Tesla manage to achieve a similar age and mileage, I wonder what state the battery would be in. The other thing that I would find interesting would be, how a Tesla with say 200,000 miles or so on the clock sell on? Used car dealers here in the UK seem reluctant to take in part exchange high mileage EVs........

I think the sweet spot for charging is 90 percent everyone says 80 but when I bought my 23 model y long range it was draining the battery fast after I started charging at 90 percent it fixed all the problems and the car responds 100 percent better

@scorchedearth1451

2 ай бұрын

So 90% is the new 100%.I have this on my phone. You can set it to charge up to 80%, but it displays 100%. I guess EV's are not that smart yet.

After 26 months of operation, my MYLR has 72K km (roughly 44K miles). There have been 5 long road trips (Toronto to Orlando) and more are planned. I’m interested to do the test on my own car, but I’m a bit fearful of just what I might find…

@vikingdriver

Жыл бұрын

why would you be fearful? arent you still under warranty?

2018 Tesla Model 3 - Long Range - Single Motor - 5 years - 101,000 miles Have been charging for 5 years at the Super Chargers (Free). 2018 - 310 miles / 2023 - 295 miles - Still at 95%. Keeping my fingers crossed. Thanks for the Video

hey what was the battery health of the S or the Y if you still have them...thx

I would recalibrate my BMS first. You can do this by depleting your battery to a percentage lower than 10%, leave it there for at least an hour, and then charge it up to 100% until the charger stops adding energy to the battery. Then go for a drive to bring it back down to your normal 80-90%. You may need to do this a couple of times. I'm getting pretty close to that 120k milestone too. I do have a Cybertruck reserved, so I need to make a decision to either keep both vehicles or sell the Model 3 that's out of warranty by then. Tough call...I really love my Model 3!

@jamessepulveda5202

Жыл бұрын

The battery test does this

@davidbeppler3032

Жыл бұрын

@@jamessepulveda5202 It does not deplete and recharge multiple times.

@RoschetzkyPhotography

11 ай бұрын

I have a cy ertruck reservation too , but would rather trade in my wife's sgitty gad Chevy instead of the telsa model 3 with FSD

@irap1269

5 ай бұрын

This has never added any range for me.

By any chance did you ask Tesla Service Department what the 7% degradation means?? Really enjoy your videos.

@brendandonegan2150

Жыл бұрын

Was the term Degradation used? I heard and red "Battery Health".

Most EV owners don’t realize that when a lithium battery reaches somewhere between 85% - 80% of its original capacity, it is considered to be at its End of Life. 100% of original capacity = Beginning of Life (BoL) and 85% of original capacity = End of Life (EoL). Things start to go south from here. Dendrites can cause internal shorts in cells, etc. So when you hear an EV owner say “My battery has only degraded 7% or 10%”, they may not realize that they have consumed half of the batteries packs life. This is common knowledge amongst the lithium community and you can find tons of research papers on this. Same rule applies to your iPhone battery or the 18650’s in your flashlight. There is nothing spectacularly special or different about Tesla made lithium ion cells. Another common error is the phrase “extending my battery cycles “. By definition a lithium battery cycle is a discharge from 100% to 0%. If you discharge from 80% to 20% that is 0.6 of a cycle. You cannot get more cycles out of a battery. You are simply delaying End of Life by doing 0.6 of a cycle rather than a complete cycle. The battery will eventually reach end of life and cycle count will be in the hundreds, not thousands.

interested in getting my 2013 tesla model s high voltage battery repaired , any tips or where I can find a battery

I would tend to believe what others have said that 7% (100-93) is the degradation. That would match the figure that Recurrent comes up with.

@user-fx5sw4jy7hYz9Hzi

Жыл бұрын

That doesn't make sense at all. iPhones also have battery healthy which counts down from 100%. 7% does really mean it is reaching end of it's life but how do you define end of life? That's defined by Tesla. The battery may well perform 70% capacity after 200K miles.

@ProXcaliber

Жыл бұрын

@@user-fx5sw4jy7hYz9Hzi In my mind, it makes sense. It seems to me that their intention is giving a percentage to the range you can expect at a full charge. If the range when brand new is 310 miles at 100%, and then you subtract this 7% figure, you end up at 288.3 miles of range when charged to 100%. So in essence, you've lost 7% of range when at 100% full charge. Which aligns with both what the screen on the Tesla says and what the Recurrent website shows.

@mrh3085

Жыл бұрын

@@ProXcaliberI did the rudimentary math after charging my 2019 M3P to 100%. It showed 285 miles. Based on a starting point of 310 miles that’s 8% degradation. Not as entailed as the service mode option performed here but seems to correlate.

@ProXcaliber

Жыл бұрын

@@mrh3085 Then you would be correct! The only other way to get a more concrete answer is to take it to Tesla directly and have them do a full service of the battery.

I only have 78k miles on mine and I’m just amazed at the quality of the drivetrain. My previous Subaru forester XT at 50k miles, the engine was already making ticking noises so I made the decision to trade it in while it was still worth something. 😂

@dillonh321

11 ай бұрын

Subarus make ticking noises when new because of direct injection system. It’s normal and not a sign of an issue. Not saying Subarus are the best cars out there. Just letting you know that it was fine.

@LordLoMR2

6 ай бұрын

@@dillonh321 mine did not make a ticking noise until 45k. It got louder and louder - hence traded it in while it was still running. 😂

@climatenomad

2 ай бұрын

@@LordLoMR2sounds like a lifter/valve adjustment issue. Probably wouldn't have cost much to fix but congrats on the superior Tesla

looking forward to understanding what this means.

I have a 2013 model SP 85+ new range was 259 /10 years later 114 thousand miles I get about a 234 mile range. Not too bad car still runs good.

If youre concerned about battery degradation, just buy the LR model. Even with the off chance that down the line it has 30%-40% degradation, it should still have plenty of range for the everyday drive.

@bearcubdaycare

8 ай бұрын

Actually, if daily driving is the concern, it's as good or better to buy the standard range, which is recommended to be charged to 100%, which gives as much range as a long range charged to 80%, and twice the expected cycle life, due to its lithium iron phosphate battery.

@TheSerenation

8 ай бұрын

@@bearcubdaycare That's the first time I've heard this. Why such a drastically different battery between the two?

@jpizel1070

28 күн бұрын

​@@bearcubdaycare That has not been proven. Most of the highest mileage Model 3 recorded are actually LR not LFP batteries per reports shown in the Electric Viking channel.

The issue is not degradation, it is cell failures or electronics failure inside the battery pack. But packs can be repaired!

@LuckyAeon

Жыл бұрын

And where can he go to repair the battery pack? Is Tesla doing it? Yes there’s a difference but that doesn’t help the current situation

@HansKruse

Жыл бұрын

@@LuckyAeon It depends on where you are. Gruber Motors in the US. In europe a number of 3rd party service partners by EVhub in Norway. Much cheaper than Tesla.

@alexnutcasio936

Жыл бұрын

At what cost are they repaired or replaced??

@HansKruse

Жыл бұрын

@@alexnutcasio936 It depends on where and what it is. I have no idea where you from....

@tazeat

9 ай бұрын

And for lower volume cars with proprietary packs that are not Tesla? Gonna be some unhappy owners at some point when warranties start ending on a lot of the BEVs sold in the last couple years in the US.

Mine in S suddenly went to 11% @ 260.000mls. But it was not reality. It took $4000 to replace a few faulty cells and regenerate it. It is back to 96%, now @ 285.000mls. I think that the major problem is that a vast majority do not see outside of Tesla service network. There's a network of independent Tesla servicers now, and they know about them. There is a lot of inside knowledge, and a lot can be rebuilt, it's electronics.

Brakes are also a big ticket item on ice cars, and the electric regen. Solves that problem. The model 3 battery is rated at over half a million miles or 1500 full charge cycles at least. Could last longer.

you said how much you saved by not buying gas and oil etc. You never mentioned how much it costs to keep that vehicle charged for that period. electricity is not free.....just like lunch.

@zemen46

26 күн бұрын

Assuming charging half at home and half supercharging about $10,000 average.

Supercharging is the weakness of these batteries, increased cell death and reduced cycle life. They should add something like a warranty limitation for Supercharging then add more warranty for age and mileage. LFP batteries appears to be more robust and would like to finally see it in the Model Y

@harmenjanwillems2018

Жыл бұрын

Uhm model Y already here with LFP. Many driving around here in Netherlands.

@ryandgarland

Жыл бұрын

My ownership of a 2014 p85d with free supercharging has not shown this to be the case. I am surprised by the resilience.

@climatenomad

2 ай бұрын

not true. Actual statistical analysis of real cars shows no statistical difference between cars mostly supercharged vs. cars that seldom supercharged. Why? Probably because the BMS ensures that heat is kept within reasonable levels in either case. The rate of charge when heat is kept within reasonable range is also theoretically not relevant in actual research at Stanford so we have two clear pieces of evidence that Supercharging is not degrading packs

@zodiacfml

2 ай бұрын

​@@climatenomad It's because Tesla replaces these packs under warranty, citing it as manufacturing defect. Many packs that are used for ride hailing consistently failed or lose modules or drop to half the range under frequent Supercharging. Whereas the expected effect is gradual loss of maximum range. I've heard many high mileage Teslas that did not have any issue with their battery packs that seldom SUpercharge

We've been trying to reach you concerning your vehicle's extended warranty !😂😂😂

Isthe Medel 3 battery covered only for the original owner of the Tesla Model 3 or is it covered for a subsequent for subsequent owners of a Model 3 Tesla?

Is it possible that the 7% actually indicates how much the battery has degraded? It certainly correlates with the 93 range score.

@alexnutcasio936

Жыл бұрын

NO, because he's degraded more than 7% by his own statistics. You'll lose 3-5 % in the first year alone and after that its all a guessing game.

@timower5850

Жыл бұрын

@@alexnutcasio936 Did you even watch the video? The Recurrent app gave him a range score of 93, and his admittedly not too accurate "charge up and drive down" calculations came in at "around 90%". Certainly, all these would be in acceptable margins of error if, indeed. the "7" in question meant the amount of degradation that had taken place.

@user-jt4fy4od9r

3 ай бұрын

@@alexnutcasio936 thats an average and not an absolute.

My brother in law had a transmission go out on his 2014 minivan with 80,000 miles. The replacement cost is 8200 not counting the issues that had preceded it cost wise.

I just rented a Model 3 this past weekend. It was a nice car with outstanding power, but I burned thru 40% of battery life (77% to 37%) by driving only 75 miles. With a full charge, that would only equate to less than 190 miles.

I see a previous comment with the theory that the 7% represents the amount of battery degradation loss, and not the remaining battery capacity. That seems so logical to me. Have you explored this further by calling Tesla or doing some other research? I'm definitely going to google search this. GREAT VIDEO!!!

The big battery on my 2019 model X died a few months ago, thankfully it was under warranty. My initial warranty is up in September and I’m trying to decide if I should buy the extended warranty? Does anyone have thoughts on it?

@bwolf8099

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, the extended warranty is separate from the battery and does not extend the battery warranty beyond the original mileage. As a result, I don’t think purchasing the extended warranty would give you the additional coverage you were implying you wanted. Personally, I was confused why Tesla even created an extended warranty that did not include the battery.

@BigBearHostel

Жыл бұрын

Just enjoy your new battery and assume you will get at least as much use out of it. 2 batteries for the price of one.

@ere_nd5467

Жыл бұрын

@@bwolf8099 I prefer the big screen on my X so I’m leaning towards keeping it. I’m contemplating the warranty to cover the other features like falcon wing doors. I don’t like that there is the $200 deductible.

OMG what timing, TY! This is EXACTLY what I've been researching over the past 2 days. This has been my biggest fear and the reason I haven't bought a model Y yet.

@alexnutcasio936

Жыл бұрын

Its a valid concern and a REAL fear. WHY? Because no one KNOWS insofar as the 3 and Y are concerned. We do know that batteries can and WILL degrade over time and use. We just don't know the hard numbers. The forums are replete with references to the original S batteries from 2012 and on and its not looking good long term. Many have been replaced or the car sold or traded due to degradation and loss of range.

@GUS4BEATLES

11 ай бұрын

@@JMC-ul1sw so you recommend? Thinking of getting a model Y long range, but the videos I watch are 50/50 been asking around in the comments, I’m so indecisive

Thanks Andy you answered my biggest question. The 7% was a surprise. I would keep driving. Seems like you habits are keeping your battery in good shape.

hi Andy, the 7% health as displayed on your battery, is that the percentage of what was left on your battery? or is it the total lost % from your 100% battery life after 5yrs?

I’m super curious to see how Tesla’s as a whole withstand the rigorous test of time. Wishing you and the Red Ranger another 5 years of good memories!

@thesimplegig

Жыл бұрын

I've done 70k miles in 10 months in the freezing cold winter park city utah

@Teddy_M85

Жыл бұрын

I'm more curious about the competition. The Model S has held up pretty well. GM and Ford can't seem to figure out how to make EVs, period. 2 GM Hummer sold in a quarter, and only 20k Bolts for a car that should sell like hot cakes at that price range. It's definitely not because of demand. I think they just can't make them reliably and/or at a profit.

@jamessepulveda5202

Жыл бұрын

​@Teddy M the only true competition to tesla is Hyundai, Kia and Nissan. Nissan being in the evening game longer

@Teddy_M85

Жыл бұрын

@James Sepulveda I see Hyundai/Kia, but I'm not sure about Nissan. They all need to build factories in the US for EVs, which will take some time. I don't think any of their cars qualify for the EV credit. The Ioniq looks good on paper, but the supercharger network and the software for those cars are horrible even with Carplay, IMO.

@jamessepulveda5202

Жыл бұрын

@@Teddy_M85 all said company above has better customer service and warranties than tesla.Tesla is questionable when it comes to warranty and customer service. Tesla is also dodging issues with quality build . The real turn off with tesla is they're practice in marketing that has gotten them some bad reputation. Many things tesla hides from public. They recently gave option to dual motor non performance model 3 to have a $2000 performance upgrade minus the brakes and have the same performance like that of their expensive brethren who paid a solid 18,000 more for the performance. Sure no performance brakes and useless 20 inch rims but they royally screwed their customers that is why the performance model 3's are doing poor in sales. Tesla is losing its luster.

Hi Andy, maybe 7% health actually means 7% degradation? Weird way to describe it, but it more or less matches your range estimate.

@peterball7789

Жыл бұрын

Yes I was thinking exactly this!

Hi Andy! I truelly hope you will get 10 years out of your ride! For my personality type the technology is still new and improving by leaps and bounds! I am waiting another 10 years to see how the tech will hold up! I applaud your courage in having a front seat to the future. I can't decide if im cheap or chicken sh$t?? Lol

At 10 years I had 105,000 miles on my model S. Battery failed, 16,000 dollars later, and I have less range than the first battery, I can’t recommend buying the replacement battery , it’s junk

I would be curious to see you run the test after the next software patch. Also it would be interesting to know how much it would cost to take the car to a Tesla Service center and have them do a diagnostic on your battery pack.

@joecoolioness6399

5 ай бұрын

I do not trust the fox to watch the chicken coup. These numbers need to be verified by an impartial third party. Tesla has already been caught cheating by having the range numbers exaggerated. My Nissan Ariya drops about 30% range when it is cold out but at least it tells me that before I plan a trip.

Awesome video to kick off Derby week- great job! the next gneration of lithium iron phosphate batteries will do even better than this. Imagine 2800 charge cycles at 250 miles per cycle = 700,000 miles?! With proper care and feeding, that means you only need to purchase 2 vehicles in your LIFETIME. In all honesty, EV are much cheaper for the full life cycle- the biggest enemy is winter road salt and corrosion. The battery is not the issue.

@jarno60061

Жыл бұрын

Who wants to only drive two vehicles in their lifetime? I want one every 4 or 5 years at most.

I have a 2013 Tesla model 3 Performance with 115,000 miles on it. Range dropped from 310 miles when it was new to 275 miles now. I still love this car

I think he question is not only if something happens to the battery after warranty. The question is also what the „no warranty“ risk is doing to the used market price of the vehicle. At one point you say „should I buy the vehicle?“ - even if you sold the vehicle the state of the battery would be considered in the price you get.

At work we just put a $6,000 transmission in a 2022 f150 with 7,500 miles on it because Ford would not repair it under warranty. I’ll take my chances with my 2019 model 3 currently at 86,000 miles.

In the world of Prius cars, if a traction battery fault happens, some owners opt for bad cell replacement (a few hundred), rebuilt traction battery pack (about $1,500 installed w/3-year warranty) or all new non-oem cells (about $2,000) or Toyota dealer oem replacement (about $4,000). Alternatives not available in Tesla land?

It's almost been a year since this video came out, would you happen to have an update on battery health?

I have a 2013 Model S with 201,000 miles. Still have 87% battery capacity. I recommend keeping your Model 3.