I’ve been expecting a lecture from you on Kernberg! Thx so much!

@doncarveth

4 жыл бұрын

Most welcome.

Dr. Carveth, I can associate Kernberg's propositions almost like pictorial representation in front of my eyes. It has enriched & addictive elements of Object Relations. Thanks a bunch Sir🙏🙏🌈

Your videos are really valuable to me. I am trying to get some overview before going into training and your channel provides far more.

@doncarveth

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks and good luck with your training.

I have truly, truly enjoyed listening to your lectures today. It’s like going back to college, so good and stimulating for the brain.

@doncarveth

6 ай бұрын

Thank you. After 46 years of college teaching, I had to go to KZread to pursue my addiction to teaching.

Now we're locked down and youtube is more more important than ever, it seems a good time to thank you for the videos on your channel. Thankyou!

@doncarveth

4 жыл бұрын

Most welcome, glad to be of use at this difficult time.

Wonderful theme!! Thank you so much!!

@doncarveth

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks

I really like listening your lessons. It is nice being connected by interesting subjects in these days. Thank you very much. Greetings from Germany.

@doncarveth

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you, glad you find them helpful.

that was Great! I have never been taught Kernberg that much well. thank you. ps would you please give us some videos about working with borderline?

I vote for the infant being driven from affect. This leads to the drives of aggression and sex, via the ID. This is complicated and difficult to sort out. The story of the man who was strapped down as an infant allowed me to gain insight into how we relive, repeatedly our earliest unconscious memories. These events shape our lives until discovered through psychoanalysis. Everyone has their extremely deep realities to unravel; some individuals will have complex realities to explore, others will have easier realities to deconstruct. However, all that is unconscious will seem impossible to achieve. I'm here to say that the impossible can be achieved. The key is to luck onto a talented, experienced psychoanalyst. Don Carveth is exceptional in many, many realms.

@doncarveth

4 ай бұрын

Thank you.

Excellent overview of Kernberg's work.

@doncarveth

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@ProfFell

4 жыл бұрын

You mention a Kernberg article in the course of the lecture that the students are referencing--could you provide the citation?

@doncarveth

4 жыл бұрын

(1988). Psychoanalytic Quarterly, 57:481-504 Object Relations Theory in Clinical Practice

@ProfFell

4 жыл бұрын

@@doncarveth Excellent! Many thanks. There seems to be some tension in practice between identifying the affect and/or identifying the object relations dyad and how to effectively communicate these to the patient.

Kernberg is a great writer, and the best modern psychoanalyst

That controversial late paper by Kernberg appeared in the International Journal of Psycho-Analysis, 1996, 77, 5: 1031-1040 and was called "Thirty methods to destroy the creativity of psychoanalytic candidates". Great presentation and discussion on Kernberg, thank you - this was much easier to assimilate than Kernberg's own writing!

@doncarveth

6 ай бұрын

Thank you

(1988). Psychoanalytic Quarterly, 57:481-504 Object Relations Theory in Clinical Practice

I think I see what you're getting at with the definition of countertransference (56:20), but if you consider countertransference as "more coming from the patient" we kind of lose the very specificity of countertransference. But still, the essence I think stays the same, objective countertransference is what most people (with good capacities for empathy and self reflection) would feel when communicating with the given patient.

In regards to what Nick was offering regarding Yeomans and the “Frank and Patient” video: I don’t think that Yeomans was referring to purposely setting up situations that will activate the client’s reaction. I think he was discussing technical neutrality as the mechanism that will invoke the intense object relations. Technical neutrality is a central technique in TFP, so it is doubtful that he or Kernberg would advocate for the purposeful creation of upsetting or activating events. It is the technical neutrality that elicits this. At least this is my understanding.

@doncarveth

7 ай бұрын

Yes, right.

@ThreetwoOne-wu7ye

3 ай бұрын

I didn't find Yeomans neutral. He imposed on his patient to quit cocaine, talks to him like a 3 year old while asking him to be reasonable like an adult. // I agree with you. That would be manipulative and they don't do that.

Thank you for inspiring me to find out more about Otto Kernberg! You mentioned an article of his about what's wrong with Psychoanalysis Training. I'd love to read that. Would you have a reference for it at all? And thank you so much for this lecture.

@doncarveth

4 жыл бұрын

www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Thirty-methods-to-destroy-the-creativity-of-Kernberg/dde8dd246d5f3052c23948f5023ef509bd0a29d0

@JM-xk3xs

4 жыл бұрын

@@doncarveth thank you. Looking forward to reading it.

Thank you. Please can you reference an example of the infant research that challenged primary narcissism? Do you know of any papers / books / chapters that charts Kernberg’s abandonment of primary narcissism in light of this research?

@doncarveth

Жыл бұрын

Daniel Stern, the interpersonal world of the infant. It’s there in Koerner burgers ratings overtime. No one wants to pull it all together and make it explicit.

Erratum: Dr. Kerberg was born in Austria and later raised in So. America (Chile)

@doncarveth

9 ай бұрын

Thank you

By the way the book you mentioned you forgot the title was: " Transference focused psychotherapy for borderline personality disorder: a clinical guide.2015"

@doncarveth

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much for this.

I wonder how you feel about Kernberg making the affects more primary than the drives. Maybe you mentioned it in the video and did I miss it, but it seems quite a departure from the pleasure principle and reality principle. It seems to me Kernberg throws away the baby with the bathwater by making drives secondary to affects, because now affects all seem to originate in object relations, not also from the id anymore. Do I understand correctly? And if so, what are your thoughts on that?

@doncarveth

4 жыл бұрын

You have it right but I appreciate Granberg as I do Melanie Klein: both make “drive“ an object relation, from the beginning as there is no primary narcissism. The id now develops, it is not there at the beginning. It is composed of primitive, split off object relations. I do not struggle with impersonal forces grounded ultimately in biology; I struggle with passionate feelings regarding others.

@ingurzimmermann2024

4 жыл бұрын

Don Carveth Thank you! It seems so illogical to me to have a drive develop after the formation of object relations. It seems like saying the motivation comes after the action. In my mind, something must have driven a child to form object relations in the first place. One does not merely perceive the social surroundings after which object relations are formed, out of which comes a drive. One is dríven to form object relations. That is not to say that our drives are purely biological, as Freud did, but it is more like the drive was there from the start but its contents and colouring came after forming object relations. Perhaps a bit like the SEEKING system of Panksepp, which is supposedly merely seeking, while whát it is seeking for, is determined by other biological systems and their learned subjective contents. But I probably don't understand the theory enough to have a well-informed opinion.

@doncarveth

4 жыл бұрын

Ingur Zimmermann I have no problem with John Bowlby‘s idea that we are born with an innate instinct of attachment.

Kernberg changed his views regarding the earliest stages of infancy because of infant researchers like Gordon Bowers and Daniel Stern demonstrating the perceptual sophistication of infants with regard to caretakers. However Mahler and others who subscribed to the idea of lack of self other boundaries of early infancy were looking at it in terms of lack of conceptual awareness rather than lack of perceptual awareness. I suspect that Kenberg may have been more correct in his earlier version.

@ThreetwoOne-wu7ye

3 ай бұрын

I am one. Could you tell me where I can find these stages? They are all missing the mark. Awareness is not appropriate. It would suggest we have a false self and a true self to discover. But the true self has not grown. It is an embryo. Defiance.

これは心理学だね、とてもレベルが高いような気がするので、学びたいと思った、グーグルで探してみる。

"His rejection of Klein and then introduction of Klein" That sounds like unstable object-relation in borderline relationship.

@doncarveth

15 күн бұрын

You have a point.

Is primary narcissism supposed to be a state of bliss or one of chaos? It doesn't sound that far-fetched simply from having done enough drugs to lose my own sense of boundaries...not even referring to psychdelics..a few days awake on meth and I can't tell if my eyes are in the front of my head or in the back, if I'm standing or sitting, if my arm ends at my fingers or where the couch ends, etc..its about the same time the voices start up so maybe its connected to the psychotic state. I can clearly remember being an infant and 'popping' into conscious existence.. i woke up my awareness when i laughed.. why was i laughing? I was repeating the sounds of the toilet unconsciously..grngngnrngrngsthh...with my mouth.. and i actually got it right...it may me giggle.. then i heard that and realized it was me!! I must have been a few months old maxium but it came back during therapy for ptsd clear as day at 48!!! I discovered that we remember every moment of our lives..its all stored in there...accessing it take a lot of INTENT when going to sleep. There are some excellent Kerberg lecutre on youtube by the way.. on narcissim.

@doncarveth

4 жыл бұрын

Infant research suggests there is no fusion or oneness at the beginning and that later on fusion all states are a result of projective identification: in fantasy putting so much of me and to you, and taking so much of you into me, that I am confused about what you and what’s me.

@christophermajor3308

3 жыл бұрын

Hi, Over Imagination, It is clear you wish to share your thoughts and memories, and they are important to many in our community. If you are a Vet, check out www.maketheconnection.net. If you are high, and think you might get out of control, call 911. If you are spoofing, no one refers to it as "the psychotic state."

@bellakrinkle9381

4 ай бұрын

Re infant research, can you specify the number of weeks that are the "beginning?" And what is the time frame that fusion occurs, or is possible. Also, what if fantasy is not phantasy; yet the confusion is very much experienced. My analyst often stated that I wanted to fuse into being one with my mother. (He never got the transference correct.) I will say that his techniques were lacking, yet he was spot on with identifying all my complexes. At least I had a foundation for my self analysis decades later.@@doncarveth We had an odd relationship. I was never fond of him, but I always heard what he believed and tried to make sense of his statements. I believe that I was too delusional to have a successful analysis, and he, as an analyst in training, was unable to interact with me in any helpful manner.

@bellakrinkle9381

4 ай бұрын

Next time, try edible CBD with high levels of the good stuff. Consume, not smoke. To over imagination!

45:25 - I believe this is the video referred to at this timestamp: kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y2iauY-PhcypgaQ.html

@doncarveth

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, that’s right. Thanks.