I can't believe how innocent people have to be treated this way!!

@bouncyshak

10 жыл бұрын

I think the prosecutor is not objecting in order to allow the defense to harm their own case. Roux is making himself look bad with his nitpicking and aggression.

Doesn't the word Objection! exist in South-African court? The defense lawyer keeps on battering the witnesses, making assumptions and voicing his opinions and no objection is ever made??

I think the Johnson's are two of three only honest people in this case...this is my second x listening to the case now..hard to believe that these people have been ignored..these are good people.

when she screamed out "help help help" that bastard only screamed out help because he was making fun of her by repeating her crys for help ,,,,and he knew it would probably cover his arse if it made him look like a victim too

@bouncyshak

10 жыл бұрын

Veronica Roos Sociopaths do not function like normal people, so attempting to form logical reasons for their actions is fruitless. Perhaps he genuinely screamed in horror after he 'snapped' or perhaps he planned the "home intruder" defense when she started screaming, or perhaps he was mocking her . Why do you find any of these options strange when the actual facts of the case are insane anyway? The entire situation is not normal because Pistorius is not a normal person. He killed his girlfriend by shooting her four times. Once you wake up to that fact, you will realise he is capable of anything, including lying to save his own ass. You think he's the first murderer to plead "not guilty" or to taunt his victim if that's what he did? They think they're invincible.

@ZEITGEISTism

10 жыл бұрын

Well said ! you are absolutely correct on all points .Personally I think it makes more sense that he was in fact taunting and mocking her cries for help He was heard calling for help AFTER her cries for help Only when she was dead did the reality that he had murdered her come crashing down on him ... only then did he snap out of his sociopathic rage He has no remorse for murdering that girl only for himself and the situation he now finds himself in

Make a movie out of this and let Anthony Hopkins play the role of Roux, he will nail it because quite clearly Roux sounds similar to Hopkins

@esterveldman4983

10 жыл бұрын

mxm

Very simple , they argued, he threatened he with the gun she ran in the bathroom lock herself inside, he told her to open the door or else I will shoot.. she scream and he shot out of rage. This didn’t happened on a different floor but in a bedroom with an adjacent bathroom. Guilty the maximum

1. How does Roux know Reeva was not outside the toilet cube when she screamed? She could have rushed in last second realisng what Pistorius was thinking and about to do. Her screams would have been very audible Mr Roux. 2. Why does Roux think it odd Pistorius would scream? He has no legs and there may have been a struggle between he and Reeva he felt he was going to lose and being allegedly trigger happy himself assumed he may get shot, that would be a reason for him screaming. Is that something you have considered Mr Roux? No? Why? Could it be because you are being paid by Mr Pistorius? Reeva didn't shoot him so he took advantage and shot her? Roux talks like his view is fact but the real fact is he's put foward a defence case based on his own irrelevant opnion. The witnesses were actually there, he was not.

@Iazzaboyce

10 жыл бұрын

How can we know the toilet window was closed when RS was screaming for help? If she had locked herself in the toilet to escape OS and needed help it would make sense to scream for help through the window. This could have angered OS further causing him to mock her cries for help and then shoot through the door. The police found the toilet window closed, but if RS screaming through the window was the reason he shot her, then OS could have closed the window before the police arrived.

@nanycat9

10 жыл бұрын

Iazzaboyce I think you are very correct in your view in how it could have happened if OP did kill her intentionally - and to be honest everything whatt we know until now imo points toward this. The mocking of the help cries makes sense to me, otherwise it would be indeed odd if he cried for help too while attacking her.

"That cannot be" - it could only be that Johnson heard the door being banged down. No inference that the time call made by Pistorius so close to Johnsons could mean that Pistorius is lying about events. Patronising, wow. I know he is doing his job but it is totaly obvious that he is desperately working to establish that the witness is unreliable when his client might be lying his butt off.

This Defense Attorney chewed up this man today. But regardless people can tell the difference between a gunshot to a bat hitting a door... Especially South Africans! This isn't a jury trial it will be interesting to see if the judge believes the witnesses, or buys the defense argument. This lawyer is gonna play audio to see if witnesses can tell the difference. But sound travels differently inside vs outside. These Prosecutors better step up and wake up!

@STARTINGSOMESHIT

10 жыл бұрын

Carrie Aldighieri True.

@suzannel8926

10 жыл бұрын

I thought South Africa had a jury system like other Common Law countries?

@STARTINGSOMESHIT

10 жыл бұрын

Suzanne Lawson South Africa abolished jury trials in 1969.

@esterveldman4983

10 жыл бұрын

Oh hallelujah Amen thanx for this comment...at long last i found a factual comment...something a person can actually read and say oh !!!!

@kobusvanstaden3747

10 ай бұрын

​@@suzannel8926do you know the difference between Common Law and Commonwealth?

fact remains oscar is not running away from this as a free man

I do not think its fair to Charl Johnson and his wife not to be expected to discuss how she was handling the cross examination. Its his wife it is perfectly normal and not unnatural for them to confide in each other and to help each other recall what one might of missed mention or understand. To suggest descriptive words of such two people who not only are married but live together to keep from each other what they had to go through and what one should prepare to expect or correct and align to what they may both believe they heard is not unreasonable and is not a fabrication of the events which unfolded as Mr Barry Roux is seemingly attempting to prove,hence putting the testimonies of the married couple to be unreliable.

Are the witnesses on trial ? They are not deaf or daft. Get Oscar in the witness and have him grilled by Perry Mason with support from Columbo.

When money talks, guilty men walk. Oscar will get a slap on the wrist and life will go on...

It's almost amusing Adv. Roux talks about "6 remarkable coincidences" between the Burger/Johnson statements and testimony, because if it weren't for a number of remarkable coincidences (or chance happenings) his client - apparently - wouldn't have killed his girlfriend as she used the toilet in the middle of the night. If, by chance, he had seen or heard her getting out of bed. If, by chance, he had seen her walking down the passage. If, by chance, he hadn't heard her open the bathroom window. If, by chance, he had talked to her while he was in the bedroom to see if she heard what he heard and realised she wasn't there. If, by chance, she had responded to him as he screamed out for her to call 911. If, by chance, he had waited to hear the toilet flush. If, by chance, he had waited to see the door open. If, by chance, he hadn't been "pointing" (not aiming) his gun at the toilet door, and instead at the window he thought the ladder was beneath. Then, by chance, she would still be alive. It would be very amusing, if a young woman hadn't lost her life "because of these remarkable coincidences".

I just want to what if the wording they have used is the same. these guys are husband and wife they are likely to give the same statement because they were in the same at the same time. its also like they heard the thing.

@caffrey1967

10 жыл бұрын

if he stood down out of the dock now walked across the floor opened the door and walked out then the judge asked everyone to write down what they had just witnessed i'm sure everyone of them would be identical ? roux is clutching at straws ......

I would never allow that thing to talk to me like that

@demonpunisher9337

5 ай бұрын

Then you don't stand as a witness.

Kjayas2007 i agree its impossible to hear that far away unless they have mikes on their ears

How could she have screamed after she was shot in the head? Roux is one slimey bugger. Let's assume Oscar's version is true fo a moment. All this does not diminish that the first shot hit Reeva in the thigh, she would have screamed in pain - at which point Oscar would have heard it was Reeva in the toilet. Why did he then fire 3 more shots? Why did he fire in the first place? He was in no immediate danger. There was a door between him and "The Burglar", so to harm him the burglar would have had to open the door first or fire blindly through the door if he had a firearm. Either way, Oscar broke the law by firing through the door.

@egw6659

10 жыл бұрын

I read somewhere that the defence will plead that Pistorius acting in self defence. SD is available if you can prove accused acted how any 'reasonable' person would to an immediate threaet. Unbelievably, they're going to try to argue that Pistorius, by virtue of being on his 'stumps' was not a reasonable person, i.e. because of his huge vulnerabilities compared to an able person, he wasn't able to act rationally to his false perception that there was a burglar in the house.

@JurieBotha

10 жыл бұрын

So Solo Still does not explain why he didn't cease fire after the fist shot. I find it hard to believe that Reeva would not have screamed in pain after the first shot. Two of the witnesses testified that they heard a pause between the first and the following shots.

@egw6659

10 жыл бұрын

No, I wasn't saying that as an explanation. Roux can't argue away the screams before the shots - no matter how hard he tries (by saying for example it was Pistorius who might have screamed, or that it was the cricket bat and not shots). I also think it was damning that there was screaming at all before the shots because at the bail hearing Pistorius said he thought she was in bed asleep. If she was screaming in fear he would've certainly known she wasn't in bed asleep.

@caffrey1967

10 жыл бұрын

So Solo theres only two questions to ask him "as soon as you heard the noise in the house why didn't you turn round and see if your girlfriend was lying next to you and before you grabbed your gun just have a quick look to see if she was in the bed , no one in the world would not check this first before firing through a locked door at someone who was making no noise in the bathroom ?

@egw6659

10 жыл бұрын

bernie sharp Yep, that's true and logical. What I'm trying to say is his legal team will argue his reason was impaired - i.e. he was not the 'reasonable' man of the legal standard people are held up to because of his physical vulnerability/perceived vulnerability. I'm not saying I agree with it and that it's fair but that's what I think will happen based on my legal knowledge.

The only hassle is that the witnesses think that they have to defend their statements...speak the truth and let it defend itself

@marcnlindarivera4565

10 жыл бұрын

exactly... when u speak the truth u stand by ur word regardless of the pressure

OMG, Charl Jonhnson and Michelle Burger are a joke to the case

@egw6659

10 жыл бұрын

They're not a joke. Shows how little you know about court proceedings. They're good, credible and reliable witnesses.

@egw6659

10 жыл бұрын

Roux's manipulation is completely transparent. He's doing his best but he definitely didn't discredit the husband.

@egw6659

10 жыл бұрын

ThePauligirl48 Who is the smart one again? The so-called hotshot lawyer with many years of professional experience who made himself look stupid and aggressive raising pathetic lines of questioning, or the lecturer who calmly stood her ground in a very tense/stressful environment. One of Roux's tactics was to try the ploy that Oscar was in fact, screaming like a woman so it couldn't have been Reeva she heard!?? How embarrassing, He has no integrity. You're clueless ThePaulgirl48

@bouncyshak

10 жыл бұрын

ThePauligirl48 Lol yeah, very intelligent defense lawyer reading out a witness's telephone number for the entire world.

@bouncyshak

10 жыл бұрын

The only joke in this trial so far is Pistrorius' pathetic cover story.

I used to be Oscar's fan as a sportman. But justice must be served to everyone. He shot several times, after the first shot the first shot. He heard her scream or cry. Why did he continue shooting. The evidence is clear, why should this run for a year. Is it because he is rich. If it was a normal citizen, he could have been jailled a lot time ago. He is guilty the court is adjourned. Case closed

Wow it just started...

Mr.Goodkat, they say "My Lady" the way American courts say "Your Honor". Means the same thing, it's a respect thing in court.

Im still curious how they heard all of those details

Hours and hours of nonsense that just tries to cloud the truth. Once Oscar Pistorius told his version, this trial was over. It was just too hard to believe. Impossible...

+ThePauligirl48 there is only a judge and 2 assessors. There is no jury system in South Africa.

Ok lets continue

Which is why I despise Attorneys/Laywers - especially Roux, no regard for the truth. Anything to get his innocent verdict - even if that means destroying people simply trying to do the right thing and testify to what they heard. Instead of seeing the fact that they live toghether, and that their testimony being similar shows that their testimony is factual.

What's the job of the person that is sitting in front of the judge with the red dress/cloak?

Haven't watched the full session but is Roux trying to establish or discredit the witnesses timeline of events? in yesterdays' cross examination of Burger he tried to insinuate or put it to her that the sound of shots could've been the the sound of a cricket bat hitting a door? The facts that shots were fired or that Oscar shot Reeva are not in dispute.

@HisEternalDaughter

10 жыл бұрын

That's what a good defense attorney does. Tries to discredit - shoot holes through - what the witnesses that would be harmful for his client says. That's part of his job!

The bashing of the door is strange, I am beginning to wonder where the door actually comes into play with the murder, no one really hears him bashing the door...the cricket bat really hasn't been known for real or not, maybe it was damaged before the evening in an earlier event?

I do not know what South Africans know or not. However, respectfully speaking with first hand experience. I was unfortunate to be in a house while officials were breaking entrance into. They used a wooden rod or plak to break the door down. While they were hitting the door (which was an expensive wood) I thought it was gun shots. I was upstairs and thought the people downstairs were all shot dead. So yes, a cricket bat (which is heavy - hitting a wooden door can cause a gun shot sound. I was surprised to find out that no one was shot and it was the breaking of the door that made the gunshot sounds. Yes, I have had heard gun shots prior to to that day.Each gun sounds differently. Oscar has a very strong upper body due to his disability so it would not be difficult for him swing the bat quickly. One must weight all possibilities instead of being narrow minded. My opinion, this defense attorney is incredible and is earning his paycheck brilliantly.

kjayas2007 The joke here is the Defense attorney doing his damnest to twist the witnesses word, to put words in the witnesses mouth and the get the wintess to agree with his version of the witnesses statement. I gtet it is his job, but he is assisting a murderer to get away with murder.

@Beirut27

10 жыл бұрын

The point is, Bad Runner may be guilty as hell -even though innocent until proved - otherwise- and an arrogant hypocrite to boot, every defendant is entitled to get a defense lawyer, it's one of the bases of justice in a democracy. As a matter of fact, by badgering witnesses and repeating the same questions over and over again or by being grossly offensive, Roux is disserving his case as it makes him appear desperate. Not sure he deserves the fees he's charging the guy who laid the golden medals... Good for the prosecution !

The bathroom door was locked what gf locks a bathroom door after waking up early hours when her bf is asleep next to her why lock the door no one else in the house she clearly was try to protect herself !!

I like the Blonde sitting behind Roux...

It's not the same there's attorneys and there's advocates

jury also,,he cant be alone

I mean no disrespect - I really don't - but I've heard many, of not most languages of the word and, in my opinion, Afrikaans is the weirdest sounding language I've ever heard! It doesn't sound real. It sounds like something from Month Python!!! :) Sorry, but it does...

@suzannel8926

10 жыл бұрын

I thought it's similar to Dutch?

@Sopran04

10 жыл бұрын

Suzanne Lawson To me it sounds like a mixture between dutch, swiss-german with a couple of german words. Kind of cute to hear. HisEternalDaughter : Try to listen to the language of greenland :) In my ears it sounds like people speaking backwards. ;)

@esterveldman4983

10 жыл бұрын

cmlinnenberg lol...i grew up in Afrikaans...the first time i was exposed to english...i could not belief people actually can think in this language...english....my opinion....another language sound weird cause you are not used to it

"let's look at other possiblities" What? He shot her - that is not in question! He is trying to confuse johnson!

It is possible that long before giving statements or evidence that when she said FOUR shots and he said no it was FIVE or SIX; she then proceeding to try and prove her husband wrong saying that she has better counting and rhythm to him because of her music and yoga... so maybe they did not communicate.... its possible

I understand that the bathroom door in Oscar's apartment was closed since he had to use a baseball bat. Just somebody THREATENED AND SCARED TO DEATH would have done so ...

In England you have solicitors and barristers different things don't mistaken the two

As this trial goes on....I keep imagining that both Anthony Hopkins and the Defense lawyer are related in some way. Maybe long lost brothers....or perhaps cousins.

@HisEternalDaughter

10 жыл бұрын

You must have a bad ear for sound. Anthony Hopkins has a British accent. Barry Roux has a South African accent.

@theexplosionist2019

10 жыл бұрын

HisEternalDaughter He's referring to the movie Fracture where Anthony Hopkins character get's away with murder.

@ZEITGEISTism

10 жыл бұрын

WTF ? GET REAL LOL If you really believe Anthony Hopkins sounds like Roux..??.then its time to get back on your medication...and fast !!

@Ettibridget

4 жыл бұрын

@@HisEternalDaughter Mr. Roux does have a South African accent, but it's not as strong as Mr. Nel's, is it? (I am not a native english speaker). And as far as I can say, aside their accents, their English is 100% correct, right?

i say bring on the forensics that the smoking gun thats it

Question- Can anyone tell me, based upon Roux's accent, whether English is his second language? He seems to have a very poor command of the language.

@elxenos1

10 жыл бұрын

Possibly but Afrikaans and English are both official languages and used interchangably . I am sure he speaks both with ease just lacks a rich vocabulary. The accent is that of all South Africans from that region.

@granthann8048

10 жыл бұрын

Barry Roux is Afrikaans yes, so in fact is Gerrie Nel

@stephenbrooke5860

10 жыл бұрын

Thank you for letting me know.. I have to say, I am relieved to hear that. Otherwise, I would really question the quality of Mr. Pistorius' counsel.

@dumisanid8733

10 жыл бұрын

Does having a different accent mean you have a poor command of a language?? Let me guess you are from USA.., your accent is not that good either then, because only the English people from England have the indigenious English accent.

@stephenbrooke5860

10 жыл бұрын

No, but it means it may be your second language and because of that, language skills may not be as strong in that second language. I would easily make the trade-off to be bilingual, but it is what it is. Roux does not use a terribly sophisticated level of English. He drops prepositions, mixes up verb tenses, etc.

Well lets look at it this way, even if he comes free of this, he will still have to face our Heavenly Father though we wont ever know the truth. He's a obsessed, jealous murderer.

Roux is 'n SO sarkasties! Hy gryp na grashalmpies!

@MrGoodkat they are not attorneys they are advocates

@HisEternalDaughter

10 жыл бұрын

You call them advocates in South Africa. In most countries in Europe and America they're called attorneys. They're the same thing.

My take on this is that O went after R with the bat and the pistol. he used the bat to terrify ( 3 bats 3 screams} and then shot the door bang to frighten then bang bang bang to murder.

I would really appreciate if the state could consider the fact of putting our witnesses under the witness protection programme since they feel uncomfortable being part of the community at the moment but still murder is murder regardles how much the law could take long to justify this matter it wont change the true fact that Oscar has killed Reeva so for their freedom and security the witnesses should be protected and even if he pleaded not guilty at the end he did pull the trigger and the life is gone and he is always going to remain a killer on the eyes many in South Africa

@HisEternalDaughter

10 жыл бұрын

Killing and murder is NOT the same thing!!

@bouncyshak

10 жыл бұрын

HisEternalDaughter In this case it is definitely murder. Whether you buy his flimsy story or not, the fact remains, he shot with fatal force into an enclosed space after collecting a gun and actively going toward his victim. Premeditation.

hei bra go sit down coz clearly u changed ur statement. I like Roux he knows his business. VIVA Roux. What was she doing in the Toilet @ 3 With a phone? Cheater!

I really like Roux. I think he might have killed Reeva... and nobody would possibly nail him...ever. Compared to him Pistorious is a jerk.

Defence case : bat sounds like a gun, Pistorius sounds like a woman. LOL If you believe that you'll believe anything. A Taurus 9mm has greater decibels than a bat against a door. The video showing a comparison is so fake. The volume on the bat has been turned up - as you can hear the background noise dramatically increase. Looking forward to cricket players wearing ear protectors and Pistorius singing I'm Every Woman.

Oscar you killed river

E venerdì si a finito le case e ben sistemate il magniacio assassino

Alle dieci farspegnere diceva al ispettore o a Antonella a Lula e die

Barry Roux R100,000 per day

Anche rosa si pagherà gli studi e fancello

A te piace polianna

south africans should not say the words "fact is" in there heavy accent ha ha blasphemer !!!!

@thandokuhle5239

10 жыл бұрын

...and u asume we all sound the same when we speak. #ignorant

@caffrey1967

10 жыл бұрын

wow .. are you on your periods ? all it is when the lawyer says fact is it sounds like fack dis , i'm not taking a peronal swipe at you my little paranoid friend ,

@thandokuhle5239

10 жыл бұрын

lol so. not.worth. it. bye!