This ballistic expert must be making the SAPS proud - well done sir

This is the only true important testimony! LOVE FORENSICS!

Well done Captain Mangena. Didn't let the defense bully you

The Captain sounds professional and credible. He did his homework.

I wonder WHY Judge Masipa ignored this policeman's testimony? What an excellent witness! Thank you for your service Mr Mangena.

@MK-vj5eh

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe the judge was sleeping.

This expert witness is the most damaging to OP the shot that hit her hip and shattered it the screams that poor Reeva must of let out in pain cannot be excused away by OP or Roux...of course Roux is going to use his usual tactics of trying to discredit but how can he when it's clear this expert was thorough and he's been so precise with his answers and findings!

@erikajohnson7905

5 ай бұрын

I love the Captain's contribution to the case ....respect respect respect

Mangena Vs Roux LOL,, Great Job Mr Mangena

This ballistic man knows his stuff, he's clear and precise and extremely well prepared. No doubt that OP was on his stumps, shot her 3 times before killing her dead. Plenty of time for her to scream (as indictated by neighbours). Banged to rights, he sits covering his head with his hands cos he knows the truth is out there now

Based on this evidence he is guilty beyond reasonable doubt . First shot in hip , screams , 3rd shot in arm, screams, 4th shot kills. He would have known it was a woman's screams.

@stephenbrooke5860

10 жыл бұрын

The question is whether there is enough ear witness testimony on these points to overcome the substantial legal burden of reasonable doubt.

@mpaiser6245

10 жыл бұрын

Stephen Brooke reasonable doubt is a U.S. burden for conviction, is it a requirement in South African courts also?

@theexplosionist2019

10 жыл бұрын

Michael Paiser A large discrete payment is probably the requirement in South African courts.

@maggie19ful

10 жыл бұрын

Michael Paiser I think in every case especially if circumstantial evidences like OP case,both sides have to prove beyond reasonable doubt

@pps1fan

10 жыл бұрын

This witness has finally given the prosecution case validity...OP cannot deny not hearing her screams my god the pain this poor woman would of experienced from the first shots would have been horrific or to use a past witness's description "blood curdling". There is no defence in my opinion now!

captain mangena - best witness so far!

excellent job captain mangena!!

@esterveldman4983

10 жыл бұрын

yep...agree did not do half the test that he was supposed to do,he did a excellent job in trying to draw the attention of him tampering with the gun

@sandinathan2732

10 жыл бұрын

and his English is not so bad

Roux's tone is so ingratiating when he addresses "my lady", but it is so rude when he addresses witnesses. He certainly knows when to brown nose.

Roux is really stretching his questioning.Reminds me of the OJ trial. This ballistics expert is very good.

This am really gonna enjoy watching him answering questions when they pull up the tests that was supposed to be done by him,

@Sparrowdean

10 жыл бұрын

The Prosecution has completed their questioning of the witness, so what do you mean?

@esterveldman4983

10 жыл бұрын

Sparrow Dean if you listen through out the trail....barry keeps on saying...we will proof that at a later stage,his forensic team has not come up with their proof yet,the example the extra bat mark on the door that the state forensics missed,also the decibel proof they have done on oscar's voice,this guy are gonna jump around like a cockroach on a hot plate if he has to be called back to the stand,,,dono if they gonna do it,,,,but i can tell you now...his statement are going to the rubbish bin,because i take it that all those times barry asked him if he did the tests and he said no.....I suspect barry's did it,andthat will completely discredit Mangenas statement,,,,because his words are every time No,but i know...based on what does he KNOW

@danielking9830

10 жыл бұрын

Ester Veldman Defense version probably won't make much sense to be honest. It might vary in a couple of details, but they still have to somehow fit a hip and a head wound in a split second - and allow enough time for the hand to come up in front of the head in self-defense. How does a body move enough in that time to get bullets in such different places? They have to stick to oscar's testimony that it was so fast he had no time to think or hear anyone crying out. Only disagreement was over the marks that might be ricochet. It doesn't change the most important part regarding you could not have all 4 shots so fast.

How stupid does OP think we are?

Poor poor lady, what she went through before she died was terrifying and her family must be really going through it. I wish I could give them all a huge hug.

I am posting my own Expert Opinion (because I don't qualify as an expert witness in South Africa or any place outside the United States) below from my experience in conducting autopsies (or post-mortem exam) as a former part-time Medical Examiner in Ohio, and also as an owner of guns of all types and several large calibers. 1]. There are other things that I have posted my comments on earlier hearings that suggest that OP is a compulsive liar with regard to other incidents and events and therefore, is most certainly lying about the night of Reeva's death. Most significantly, the Tasha restaurant incident where the Glock pistol was fired. OP, despite being a firearms enthusiast, didn't do his homework before making stupid statements. A GLOCK is unique in that it can NEVER discharge without pulling the trigger and that also with a 4 lbs pull on the trigger, not a mere touch and that is it's only safety; it has no external safety lever. But OP maintains he never pulled the trigger but it still went off. I can state with confidence that he IS LYING because I own guns of all types and calibers. This establishes a pattern of lying->cover ups->blame game on OP's part. 2]. The other thing about which I have commented with a degree authority is the non-expert state witness testimonies about the victim's screams continuing for a brief 2 seconds or so after the fatal shot. The defense Mr. Roux said that the witness' deposition is unreliable; the victim should have fallen completely silent with the undeniably fatal head shot. I have some experience with performing and also assisting in a number of Forensic autopsies myself. I have explained in detail in my earlier post where the witness Michelle Burger has deposed (if you played the recording of the court proceedings on those days and scrolled down to read comments). In the incident relating to the night of Reeva's death, he would have even waited for her response like a whisper after he shouted to her to "call the police". Instead of yelling at the "intruder" get out of my house, leave my property, rob me not, hurt/rape my girlfriend not. Again, why was he so terrified, petrified, panicky about a supposed "intruder" and that too when he was armed with a gun. What did he think? That the intruder would like a ghost, emerge through the closed door and rape Oscar?? Every time you suspect or imagine an intruder you're gonna empty a gun in that direction?? Maybe that's why he shot his friend's Glock pistol in the restaurant magically without touching the trigger, because he imagined an intruder in the restaurant. Although a GLOCK pistol will NEVER FIRE without a full 4 lbs pull on the trigger. Actually even I was surprised why nobody, including expert witnesses, made any objective observations/statements about the specific gun in question, a .40S&W caliber Glock27, that OP claims discharged "accidentally" at the restaurant. I personally own two Glock pistols in 10mm (same caliber as .40S&W but longer and much more powerful) and .357SIG (a power-packed newer round that only Glock pistols shoot) and therefore I know Glocks inside out. Regardless of model or caliber, all Glocks share the same mechanism and even the website says Glock-Safe Action pistols. Such an accidental discharge however, is remotely possible with the immensely popular 1911 .45ACP pistols when the external safety lever is not engaged but next to IMPOSSIBLE with a Glock pistol. I own handguns: Pistols-single & double action, slide spring and gas operated (Desert Eagle .50AE- the most powerful pistol ever made), Revolvers- single & double action, AK-47 (M92 PAP, Serbian) in "handgun" configuration besides several high power Rifles from .30-06 Springfield to the .375 Holland & Holland Magnum "African Dangerous Game". I don't claim to be an firearms expert by formal qualification but enough to detect a rookie's lie. 3]. The 9x19mm Parabellum, a relatively small caliber round that was used in Reeva's death used a very deadly bullet (a cartridge or round= case[casing,gunpowder,primer]+bullet) component called Black Talon hollow point which is banned even for the purpose of self defense against a fellow human being even if the imaginary intruder or attacker is a burly 6'5" male. It will kill even at some distance like 100+ yards, but a close distance head shot like in this case would do to the victim's skull and brain along a 4 cms tract of the bullet, what a mixer-grinder would do to a fruit or pieces of fruit being churned at full speed, literally. Turn fruit to fruit juice! That's the fatal head shot on Reeva. Before that, even the hip shot would have turned the contents of her hip and pelvic cavity into fine pulp and killed her in a very painful manner within minutes from shock and massive blood loss. I know I'm being a bunch too graphic for lay people to comprehend but that is the unfortunate truth. However, as a practicing M.D.physician and former part-time Medical examiner having performed Forensic autopsies (or post-mortems) as well as examination of live rape and assault victims, I technically am an expert in that field. I know the human body dead cadaver to a living human from over 32 years of training and experience. But I am from the United States and can only post comments on crime scene investigations in S.Africa and other nations. 4]. As a woman (or man) is screaming loudly and frantically in a continuous scream, she is using her FEV-1 part of her FORCED EXPIRATORY VOLUME first and then FEV-2..., which is more forceful than her VITAL CAPACITY which is basically inspiratory and therefore slower and less forceful BUT requiring more active pressure or force (roughly ATPADP+energy release [in the mitochondria, duh!] for Actin/Myosin(again, without mentioning the role of ionic Calcium and some other muscle/sarcolemnal proteins) coupling and uncoupling in the striated muscle-in this case, the intercostals & diaphragmatic- which although partially involuntary, are striated too). When the LAST HEAD SHOT hit the victim, her heart will still beat for seconds to maybe minutes ( bradycardia first, then mixed hypoxic/neuronal/autonomic(parasympathetic or cholinergic part)->> brady/tachy/fibrillatory till complete ASYSTOLE) depending on the impact and extent of the bullet wound (ignoring the Cushing Triad sequence since this is not a closed Head Injury), she will have NO cognitive functions left and NO inspiration (given that the Medulla Oblongata in the Brainstem [one of the components of the Rhombencephalon] is where the Respiratory Centers are located with some higher neuronal connections and conscious/intelligent control in the Prosecephalon). BUT, her screaming, which is a part of her active expiratory effort or FEV-1 may continue for a second, maybe 2, maybe 1.5 depending on it's intensity or the end of her EXPIRATORY VOLUME (and not FEV). It could have been drowned in the gunshot sound because the gunshot was louder and higher pitched (esp. a 9 mm which is a small bore round but does travel through a narrower bore pistol than a .45ACP, .357 mag or a .38 special but is less loud because less gunpowder in the case and lesser grained bullet) but ALL SOUND travels at the exact same velocity if it is through the same medium (as air in this case and the air here was the same in terms of temperature, humidity and all other physical properties, I presume). Although only a hypothesis, I do agree with the expert witness, ballistics expert police Captain Mangena's possible scenario of chain of events because it makes a lot of sense in technical terms. The DEFLECTION after going through the door as he very rightly stated would be insignificant at 3 degrees but it creates a "Tumbling Effect" on the bullet itself which makes it's impact on the human body even deadlier than at the point of exit from the muzzle of the firearm. In other words, it's high velocity motion is actually 3 dimentional- a).The forward motion of the bullet from gun to the victims body, let's call it the x-axis here b).The rotational motion of the bullet from the firearm barrel's rifling made worse by the Black Talon's opening into a jagged edged flower shape- or y-axis here; and c).The tumbling motion of the bullet after going through the wooden door- or the z-axis. So in this case, the bullet was like a very high velocity drill cutting through bone and other human tissue in all possible directions and axes. In layman's terms, penetrating, cutting, drilling and grinding through the unfortunate victim's body just like a meteor would do after it hitting the earth's surface. The Captain has indeed been very objective and precise in his testimony with no unnecessary speculation and dramatization, even by American standards. On the other hand, the defense' "expert" witness Mr. Roger Dixon was completely out of his league and only damaged OP's case. Mr. Nel was playing with him the way a lioness does with a baby gazelle before killing it slowly and cruelly. How on earth did they agree to him testifying???? What were they thinking?? Looking for iron ore or diamonds or coal deposits on Oscar's property?? Dang it!! That much, I can help the prosecution very scientifically and to the point with my knowledge and field of expertise, if they happen to read my post. Leave the rest to the....rest...and the learned Judge. If anybody has questions about my explanation with 1) the victim's scream or 2) gunshots, firearms or ballistics plz post and I can explain why-the mechanism; and how I suggested the answer. Legal stuff, I have no clue!! Leave it to the lawyers to fight it out. But all that said, everybody including Oscar Pistorius has the right to a fair trial and a good defense. He is innocent unless proven guilty even though I personally feel he is guilty way beyond reasonable doubt, 100%. My sympathies to his sister Aimee, the rest of his family and more than anybody else, Reeva Steenkamp's parents! Jackson, MISSISSIPPI.

What a bomber! High 55555 to Cap. Mangena.

It is good to see blacks in a position of power. Like my lady

@bintuae1

10 жыл бұрын

u know its south africa, dont you?

I just wanted to cry when he explained how Reva was huddled in the corner of a toilet already wounded to the hip and trying to protect her head he must have already nearly hit her head for her to take that position, her life must have flashed before her so fast, If he was my monster of a brother I would have helped put him behind bars for this, Monster is what comes to mind

Condescending Roux, met his match here.

A black woman has been called my lady. The world has made progress on the racial front

@Mozzers84

10 жыл бұрын

Meanwhile, Larry is shocked by this.One step forward, two steps back...

whenever they bring up Reva Oscar always puts down his head with his hands on it. He's either playing up to my lady. Or it tears him apart. He will have guilt for the rest of his life.which he should. But it truly is sad all the way around.on both sides of the families

@maggie19ful

10 жыл бұрын

killers don't feel guilt they never care or respect life they go on with their life as if they think they only shot a bird.they are cold blooded people.

@esterveldman4983

10 жыл бұрын

maggs mum very true...they show a bit of emotion...but you press a certain button,they get angry,not burst out in tears,or block their ears

@tomanol8

10 жыл бұрын

i think he is really sorry and he would take it back if he can.

@nickylup9566

10 жыл бұрын

I agree with you

@esterveldman4983

10 жыл бұрын

tomanol8 definately

Capt Mangena you are incredible!!!!!!

Cold blooded people dont feel guilt

That's one MASSIVE guilt trip he will have to live with for the rest of his sad life...

Sounds like he was determined to Shoot her. He had to have heard her screaming between shots!

@maggie19ful

10 жыл бұрын

Regardless if it was Reeva or not I think it is still a premeditated murder.Firing 4 shots meant to kill whoever was inside the toilet

@rjmadcat

10 жыл бұрын

maggs mum I agree 100% actually. Hearing a noise and going into "code red" as stated means you are now ready to shoot to defend yourself. Then you slowly make your way to the source of the noise and see it is coming from behind a closed door. Immediately you have 3 choices because your life is not in the balance. Either shoot a warning shot, shoot at the door or do not shoot at all. The fact that you made a choice to pull that trigger and hurt whoever is behind the closed door no matter who it is, is pre meditated. If you walked to the bathroom and suddenly someone jumps around the corner and you fire and hit the person that I can consider an accident. Honestly shooting a person behind a door knowing there is no way to avoid the bullets is clear indication of murder. He might have thought it was an intruder, but you still l have no right to take his life without you knowing your life is in danger! I cannot decide and still feel 50/50 if he killed her on purpose, or if he thought he shot an intruder, but both scenarios indicates him wanting to do harm to whoever was behind that door

@susannemuller2094

10 жыл бұрын

Lisa Davis thanks! you gave the best answer (for me) and sure he would kill the Person behînd the door, but he would kill an intruder and sure not Reeva.

@susannemuller2094

10 жыл бұрын

Ruan van Harmelen yes - i agree but he takes "the right" to manage it, that the Person behind the door was killed because he had a lot of fear...

of burglars he should have had dogs that bark. Central airconditioning so as to keep doors and windows shut at night. Security screens on doors and windows. Ring estate maintainence to remove ladders outside windows and grounds. On entering bathroom was so scared that he wanted to leave but there was no where out as the bedroom door was closed. When he realizes he shot Reeva he gets bat knocks door in goes puts legs on goes through bedroom onto balcony calls for help.

@esterveldman4983

10 жыл бұрын

Carrie Aldighieri your point...cause dogs gets poisoned in south africa during a burglary

@kigu6349

10 жыл бұрын

Ester Veldman Yep, and they get past burglar proofing too.

@AuthorLLaurence

10 жыл бұрын

Carrie Aldighieri Your observation is right on, dogs have a keener sense of hearing than do humans. As a psychotherapist involved in criminal cases, I believe once Oscar fired the first shot to possibly get her to come out of the bathroom, he found himself at the point of no return, as the relationship was over at that point and she could certainly bring charges against him if she wanted to so he quickly decided to then shoot to kill her, but he had little time to concoct a credible intruder story. This case will not be won or lost by the spin he provides when Roux questions him, but how logical the questioning is by the prosecutor.

@esterveldman4983

10 жыл бұрын

Carrie Aldighieri but.....the point is ....we all know....burglars or intruders are watching our houses....we all knows,after they rape killed and murdered you,the police will found the dogs some where poisoned....when a intruder is a possible thing,the last thing i am gonna do is to look if the dogs are poisoned or not,you see the only people will ever think if keeping a gun law is maybe dead hero's,we know intruders does not obey gun laws,so 99 % of a random shooting,results in a intruder dead and the rest run away,my friend shot 2 dead 2 years ago,other friends of mine just saw traces of blood,when they randomly shot in the dark,they where a few,and his friends helped him....a lot of times,intruders are black,you cant see them in the dark,so you shoot and hope for the best

does this man think the world is buying this ?

Did anyone else think they saw the guy behind the witness move forward and back when Roux was mentioning about the hip position changing if you move forward or back lol

Superb explanation by the ballistic expert's testimony. OP is screwed!

@perikaveera4438

10 жыл бұрын

Agree.

Thank goodness capt. mangena was on the prosecution side, he looks like an absolute genius compared to dixon, wollie, and the rest. Roux is not helping OP by going into graphic detail about the head wounds....guilty.

He goes down stairs to open door for the arrival of ambulance.goes back up to bring her down to the garage, as someone had told him to drive straight to hospital. Did Oscar ring someone for advice after speaking to Ambos.? Did Oscar ring his sister or family for advice. Did his sister erase the phone calls.

@vivavoice7211

3 жыл бұрын

Don't forget that Oscar got plastic bags after talking to some ally of his. That was not raised - maybe Judge Masipa refused to allow it. Why plastic bags Oscar?

He proposes 3 positions when shooting the firearm: 1. Without prosthesis, 2. With prosthesis while shooting from hip height, and 3. Lying down position. What about the kneeling position?? That I imagine would give a very similar height to being on his stumps. Same with the cricket bat...why is the kneeling position never proposed? Is he not able to kneel with his prosthesis on?

@Seedsow4

10 жыл бұрын

The dude has been kneeling most of his life!

This testimony the past couple of days has had to be extremely unnerving on Reeva's side of the court.

session 2 please

He's back at the Meyiwa trial. This man knows his story.

I am believing that OP is guilty especially after hearing this testimony

this Ballistic expert gave Roux some hard time oooh ooh, he is well experienced

The captains evidence fits the witness accounts of screaming, a shot fired, break&more screaming, bang. . .bang. . . Bang. . With her scream fading out on the last shot.

Jesus, Roux asks the most ridiculous questions.

No matter what the defense and the prosecution may argue, Bad Runner had put in his gun bullets meant to destroy...

@bladesmilitariauk5013

10 жыл бұрын

Hollow points are basically recommended self defence rounds by experts. They are designed to incapacitate as quickly as possible, It's got absolutely nothing to do with intending to destroy anything or them being evil or anything like that. In a self-defence scenario you shoot to end the threat, not to kill nor to cause minor injury but to stop them advancing towards you. Regular FMJ bullets are not good at this as they cause deep low diameter wounds which can take seconds or even minutes to take incapacitation effect in certain areas whereas the results of a shallow high diameter wound from a hollow point is far much more likely to take effect & incapacitate more quickly or even instantly. Incapacitation can be caused from trauma & shock, which are not necessarily life threatening, it depends on a variety of factors. Designers had these in mind to be used against an attacker that is coming at you which you need to stop coming forward in the event that they have a deadly weapon like a knife or blunt heavy instrument intending to possibly end your life. Or even if the defender is small & weak for example but the attacker coming forward is large & strong & you have good reason to believe they will do you serious harm. Another reason professionals don't recommend people use regular FMJ bullets in a self defence gun in the home is because they have the ability as mentioned to go through a person then through the brick wall behind them & keep going depending on the calibre, which can injure loved ones you may be trying to defend or even neighbours in the house next door. Hollow points are designed to cause minimum penetration meaning that in most cases they don't exit the person you have just shot in self defence as they usually stop inside them or at least only just exit meaning if used responsibly noone unintended will likely get injured. Having said all this even if he believed Reeva was a burglar he was irresponsible with his firearm & should never be allowed to own a gun again! One of the main rules of firearm self defence is to be sure that the target is a threat to your life or others before you pull the trigger. In order to justify him shooting through the door he would have had to warn the intruder behind the door he has a gun & ask them to identify themselves. He should have only shot if it was an intruder & they made a threat towards him like for example, I'm going to rob you, kill you etc or heard a gunshot from the intruder but he didn't. It was either just noise in the bathroom without actualy any speech from Reeva or her screaming, begging him not to hurt her. If he didn't think he was shooting poor Reeva then he should still get 8-10 years imprisonment for irresponsibility & manslaughter, if he meant to kill her then he should get 40-50 years imprisonment IMO! Thanks for your comment :-)

@esterveldman4983

10 жыл бұрын

blades&militariaUK but....in south africa,you kill intruders ,because,they normally comes in a few amounts like 3-4 sometimes 6,you dont just wound,because,the more you can eliminate as fast as possible,the better your changes is to survive ,they normally do not obey any gun etiquette or rules,and they normally are armed,the police is useless,we cannot even think to rely on them....

*Oscar's Story just DOES (NOT) make SENSE!* written 3/23/14 (1:32 pm) Oscar's story just does (NOT) make SENSE! Let's use YOU for example. You are LAYING in the bed with your significant other who you LOVE so VERY much. Then, you get up out of the bed and walk out of the balcony's door which is about 5 feet from the bed to get some blow fans. On your way back into the house, You all of a sudden, hear a NOISE and *REFUSE* to think that it's your significant other but a GUARANTEED BURGLAR. So, you (PURPOSELY) AVOID walking 5 feet to the bed to check to see IF your significant other is STILL in bed or is the RESULT of the NOISE that you heard. Instead, you walk BACK to the VERY BED where your significant other SHOULD be laying but do NOT at ANY point, check to see IF your significant other is in bed. You just use the bed for leverage as you kneel down on your knees to GET YOUR GUN from UNDER the bed. Then, you GET UP and RUSH TO THE RESTROOM and START BLASTING AWAY without 1st KNOCKING on the door or calling your significant other's NAME to see whether or (not) THEY are in the RESTROOM! Then, AFTER BLASTING AWAY at the UNIDENTIFIED TARGET, Then, and (ONLY) THEN, (after) you shot 4 TIMES, do you ALLEGEDLY get a little LOVE in your heart which MAKES you call out your significant other's name and when you do, you NOTICE that your significant other does (NOT) ANSWER BACK because they are TRAPPED (DEAD) in the restroom. So, you RUN and go get a CRICKET BAT to beat the door in so you can get to them to SAVE THEM! Yet, when you get to them, you DON'T administer CPR but instead you REMOVE your significant other from the CRIME SCENE and tote your significant other DOWN the STAIRS and when SECURITY calls, You tell SECURITY that EVERYTHING is FINE as you SIT THERE knowing that your SIGNIFICANT OTHER who you LOVE so VERY MUCH, is sitting in FRONT of You DYING! Then, and ONLY THEN, after your significant other completely DIES, you call security back and PRETEND to be ALL......SHAKEN....UP! OSCAR IS A (COLD) BLOODY and UNMERCIFUL KILLER! Like I said, Oscar's story just DOES (NOT) make sense! Well, we know that having BRAINS is NOT one of Oscar's STRONGEST points because IF it was, he would have came up with a BETTER story, INSTEAD OF thinking that His DISABILITY, FAME and FORTUNE would SAVE him.

this is damming testimony Don't know how Roux is going to over come this!

Another great witness. Excellent.

The bloke sitting on the right hand side of Smuggy Roux is not only smuggy but smirky.

@rjmadcat

10 жыл бұрын

He has been like that with every witness. It frustrates me.

Your my lady! Dangelo

I am not buying Blade Gunner's act. He is screwed.

Nice work Roux bam bam bam bam at THAT speed with first shot to hip and second shot 0.5secs after to UPPER arm ROTATED LOL IMPOSSIBLE!

You just have to love Roux!! Patronizing brilliance and entertainment in one man. Every time I think I'm over this trial, I see Roux at work and I'm hooked once more!

Mr Roux is splitting hairs. A very solid witness for the prosecution!

@esterveldman4983

10 жыл бұрын

Solid naeh.heah eh...he tampered with the gun

@Jono98806

10 жыл бұрын

Jack VanderHyde He handled the gun without gloves on. Sure, it doesn't really affect the prosecution case that much because Oscar already admitted to shooting her. However, hypothetically speaking, how would they of identified the culprit if he had claimed that it wasn't him? They wouldn't of been able use fingerprints for identification because the gun would of had Mangena's fingerprints on it now rather than Oscar's. Very unprofessional, they're just very lucky that OP admitted to the shooting, so they don't have to prove the identity of the shooter.

@esterveldman4983

10 жыл бұрын

Jack VanderHyde It definitely put a question mark on his competency as a police officer especially the times when he says.....he did not do the tests but he knows.......he did not even know not to touch the gun without gloves,also remember there is clear that there was a lot of tampering at the scene,eg...the position of cricket bat,the duck tape on the door,who says our captain is not in on the objects stolen on the scenes....it put a HUGE question mark on him,agree with Jono 98806..i just want add...barry hammered on the double click,not sure....but i guess,it also put a question mark on his theory about the double click,dont know,,,,,,but .....i dont think this stone are gonna be left un turned by the defense

In CNN Pistorius affidavit. If Oscar was so paranoid of burgers he should have

Pisto should Man up and admit the truth. he would show himself at least to be half a man. How he can live with his own lies is the second fake terror after his murder

so which bullet shot her head? A,B,C or D?

What the hell are you wasting tax money for no court on Thursday this is a laugh a minute.

That poor woman had to go through all that before she died

Roux is clutching at straws and splinters

I need help here, so her hand was over her head, the bullet went between two fingers, was the door open? or the bullet came through the door? she was in seated position on toilet, am I following this right?

@rjmadcat

10 жыл бұрын

not exactly, so let me try explain and anyone can correct me if i am mistaken or wrong. 1. She was standing in front of the door (closed door) facing towards the door. 1.1 a shot was fired through the door into her hip causing her to drop backwards and down landing with her bum on the magazine rack. 2. There was a small pause according to a witness and to the ballistics guy; 2.1 Then 3 bullets where fired. 3. Bullet 2 either penetrated her arm or completely missed her causing bruising on her back. 3.1 Bullet 3 again either penetrated her arm or completely missed her causing bruising on her back. 4. Bullet 4 was the bullet that went through her fingers grazing them and entering her skull which caused her to collapse further with her head on the toilet seat and her body towards the magazine rack (either sliding slightly off or still sort of on top)

@Cosmickitten2012

10 жыл бұрын

Great, thank you for clearing that up for me I had trouble following. So she ran into the bathroom and he ran after her and began firing on her. thanks again ;-)

It doesn't even make sense, how does Oscar Pistorius wake up thinking there was a intruder in he's house and does not even give a second thought about the woman he loves sleeping right next to him before he fires shots at the bathroom door. If you woke up and thought there was a intruder in the house, the logical thing to do is to first check on the ones you love to warn them and to make sure the...y are fine. In he's case the one he loves was right next to him on the bed. Could he not at least touch her side of the bed to see if she's still on the bed next to him if it was too dark to see before recklessly firing 4 shots into the bathroom door. He did not even fire one shot, it was four!. Is the bathroom really were a intruder would try to break in? has this guy completely lost he's senses to even consider that maybe just maybe it was he's girlfriend that woke up to use the bathroom.See More

He should be put in Jail. Period. 1) Firing recklessly at bathroom without knowing exactly who is in there just does not make sense. For whatever reason, he is a dangerous man and should be locked up 2) For his action, intentional or not, someone is dead. Just for this, he should be jailed. Someone is dead that day Firing at the door without saying anything is just plain crazy. It could be his mom or dad or family member. No one in the right mind does that. He must be threatening his girlfriend who later locked herself up in the bathroom after he pointed gun at her. Being furious, he fired at the door with or without intention to kill. Then, he came out with a really lame reason. Intentional or not, he should be in jail. He is a dangerous man either way. No complain. He killed someone

sometimes i feeel so bad for oscar. cnt help t...i just do. but may the truth (watever t s) win and God have mercy.

CPT you know your story. Impressive.

Even if I he had not checked the bed to see if the victim was there, any normal person would have yelled out and ask who was in the bathroom before firing his gun.So,if this idiot is not found guilty of premeditated murder, he is at least guilty of negligent homicide.

*Ba-Ha-Ha-Ha! *Roux hurt his OWN case......* Also, Oscar shot Reeva with BLACK TALON bullets.... Black Talon bullets were DISCONTINUED in the year 2000 written 3/19/14 (9:27 pm) (Start taking reference from this post at 21:02) *Oscar used the MOST DANGEROUS bullets in the WORLD to KILL Reeva.* Oscar used Black Talon bullets to KILL Reeva. Black Talon bullets adds an additional wounding mechanism: cutting. When a Black Talon bullet expands, its copper jacket peels back to form six sharp claws. These claws protrude outward just slightly beyond the smooth outer edges of the mushroom-shaped lead core shoulder. As testified in lay terms by the captain, a person gets MAXIMUM WOUNDING from black talon bullets. Also, when black talon bullets impact HUMAN flesh, they OPEN UP and create 6 claws that are very sharp, to which begin TURNING/SPINNING while inside the human flesh and CUTTING as it SPINS while inside human flesh. 23:19 WOW, based on how hard it is to get the gun to fire, Oscar had PLENTY of time to yell into the restroom to see if Reeva was there before FIRING additional shots but of course we KNOW that Oscar could have checked 1ST to see if Reeva was in the restroom BEFORE shooting ANY shots through the LOCKED door. (Reference to HOW to fire gun 30:51) Also, ROUX got SPANKED by the Captain. Roux tried to use a witness statement to DISCREDIT the expertise of the Captain but the Captain, as you can SEE was DEFINITELY *(NOT)* having it. The Captain knows EXACTLY what he is talking about and explains things VERY WELL. Also, as the Captain stated, the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th shots can be fired VERY quickly. However, there was some TIME in between the 1st and 2nd shots because of the position of the wounds. At some point, Oscar ceased firing and in doing so, Reeva took another position and then Oscar CONTINUED firing at Reeva and that's what the wounds explain. Roux looks WORRIED after the Captain put the FACTS to him. Roux begins to argue to the point to where he is hurting Oscar's case because If REEVA was CLOSER to the door, it would make it EASIER for Oscar to HEAR her SCREAM when she SCREAMED (BEFORE/AFTER and BETWEEN) the shots, all of the TIMES when she DID! Also, after hearing the testimony of the Captain, Roux begins to STALL by asking for TESTS that will definitely NOT help his case. Roux does so by asking the captain to take impossible tests on the deceased. After the captain states that he cannot conduct a splinter test that Roux is needing to FURTHER incriminate Oscar :) , the DEFENSE teams ACTS as though they are CONFIDENT. They know that Reeva is buried and that CANNOT be done but using photos it MAY be possible but whether or NOT Reeva was in a DEFENSE position or NOT, does NOT mean that Oscar did NOT hear Reeva screaming, ESPECIALLY in between shots and *AGAIN*, IF Reeva was standing closer to the door, as Roux is indicating, then Oscar DEFINITELY would have heard Reeva screaming EVEN LOUDER. *Roux is TERRIBLY out of HOPE but is creating FALSE hope to use up Oscar's money.* Also, WHO does ROUX think he's kidding. Roux knows that the MEASUREMENTS of the SPREAD of the splinters are NOT necessary, especially AFTER the Captain has given his explanation of WHY the position that Roux indicated does NOT make sense. The Judge looks VERY MUCH like she BELIEVES the Captain because the Captain's testimony and EXPLANATION of what happened, REALLY makes sense. Also, If Reeva was in the position that Roux indicated then there would be MORE splinters on Reeva's lower arm. Inasmuch, Roux is trying to allege that Reeva was NOT in a defensive position and that she could have been shot in the head and arm while standing in front of the door, with rapid shots but the wounds PROVE that at some point, Reeva changed positions BEFORE the 2nd, 3rd and 4th shots took place. Roux is just STALLING for time so that he can use up Oscar's money and share more FLUFF with the court. Also when Roux drilled the Captain, the Captain agreed that some of Roux's explanation was consistent but the correct term that the Captain should have used is PROBABLE because the Captain stated that there were MORE ways to arrive at Roux's explanations of things. I'm SURE that the Judge will see this fact as well as the prosecutor. I am around 48:22 of the video. I look forward to posting MORE comments soon....

Oscar.... your doing down boy.. .

Near the end of this session the defense claims there was a spent projectile in the toilet, this could mean Osca may have kicked it in when he opened toilet door. This could mean that that particular projectile was very close to the outside of the toilet door. He may have been much closer when ha shot one of the bullets.

@pps1fan

10 жыл бұрын

I thought the same when Roux brought this up...this evidence has put a big dent in defence case and the prosecution has shown why they feel OP is guilty and have chosen to go for murder conviction.

@rjmadcat

10 жыл бұрын

Lisa Davis Oscar also Carried Reeva, which can EASILY account for moving of cartridges.

@rjmadcat

10 жыл бұрын

stok3d99 I think the reason for the Shot ( pause) shot shot shot, was because the 1st he was standing against the wall as indicated, that is also why the cartridge was found in the hallway, but then he changed his position slightly closer and fired 3 more shots. This is only speculation and I have no evidence to support my theory, only opinion.

@esterveldman4983

10 жыл бұрын

Remember this comes from a man that tampered with serious evidence like the gun,even so that the photographer had to chase him from the scene,

@Jono98806

10 жыл бұрын

No, the defence believes that this bullet landed in the toilet after it ricocheted off the wall. I know that because they mentioned it at his bail hearing last year.

roux wrote his statement later from memory of hearsay.

If you've measured the distance from Jo'burg to Cape Town you don't have to go back and measure the distance between all the towns along the motorway and then add them up to confirm your answer. Roux is beginning to make a fool of himself by asking the Captain stupid questions just to smear him.

Standing in front of the door facing the door having an argument with pisto, she locked herself in the toilet to get away from him. Further why would she lock the door?? only pisto was in the house... he shot her in Anger

THATS CORRECT MY LADY

- Oscar Pistorius? WHO the FUCK is Oscar Pistorius???

The prosecution is doing a great Job to deliver the truth

Lol, keep trying Roux, this guy is NOT bending, he is a professional who knows exactly what he is saying. Keep putting it to him but knows exactly what he saying.

This will be a lot like the mid-90's O.J. Simpson trial where he'll be acquitted of the premeditated murder charge, but his life will never be the same again...and it shouldn't. At least, he'll face the culpable homicide charge if the defense is successful, but the penalty for that is little more than a slap on the wrist.

I have lived alone and I have lived with people.If I am living with someone and I hear noise coming from the bathroom, the very first move I would make is to reach over for the person I am in bed with to check out if she was still in the bed. No sane person would just get up and start firing through a closed bathroom door knowing that someone else is also living in the house. When this idiot lost his legs, he also lost his mind.

Who is this guy..what did he do...?

@susanashworth66

10 жыл бұрын

Oscar pistorius famous Olympic athlete - competed as an able body person in normal olympics even through he has no legs - amputated I think above the knees. Shot and killed girlfriend in toilet Valentines day 2013. He said it was an accident - state says it is murder - he shot her through a closed door thinking she was a burglar .... Welcome to the trial

Oscar should just be sentenced now, its crystal clear now that he killed Reeva and intentionally because if it was not intentional after shooting once he would have heard that his girlfriend is crying

*The Reason WHY the Witness heard a SHOT and then a PAUSE and then 3 more SHOTS!* written 3/23/14 (1:18 pm) I think the Reason WHY witnesses heard a SHOT and then a PAUSE and then 3 more consecutive shots is because Oscar 1st shot ONCE and then PEEPED THROUGH THE BULLET HOLE of the door and seen where Reeva was, which was on top of the magazine rack, and THEN (after) NOTING Reeva's position, Oscar QUICKLY shot 3 more times PURPOSING to shoot Reeva's in the HEAD so that he would KILL HER instantly!

Captain is very good......

The PROSECUTOR is TOUGH.... *Thank the Lord!* written 3/19/14 (10:37 pm) After Roux got up with his FLUFF towards the end, the PROSECUTOR got up around 1:12 and RECAPPED Roux's version of the events and PROVED how Roux's version did NOT make sense according to the BULLET HOLES in the DOOR and according to the wounds that were afflicted on Reeva. I was watching the DEFENSE as the PROSECUTOR showed them how STUPID their interpretation of the events were and they were LAUGHING because they were BUSTED in their tracks and (DON'T) have a good DEFENSE. YET, they thought they were going to GET AWAY with that NON-SENSE that they dished out. At any rate, it's *DEFINITELY* a Great Victory for the PROSECUTOR today and for Reeva's family and friends as well as for US who KNOW that Oscar Killed Reeva WITHOUT a TRUE probable cause! Also, the PROSECUTOR had them to ZOOM in on the area near the toilet and THERE were seen SPLINTERS that came from the DOOR as a result of the bullets going through the door. So, that PROVES that Reeva WAS sitting in the position WHERE and HOW the Captain said she was because if Reeva would have been CLOSE to the DOOR as Roux suggested when she was shot, then there would NOT be splinters DOWN LOW and way over there near the toilet, and at the ANGLE that they are near the toilet. The splinters ON the toilet next to the flush, are consistent with the Captain's testimony about Reeva sitting on the magazine rack when she got struck with the bullets. Roux states at the end that the spin projectiles were found in the toilet and in the magazine rack. That could have happened when Reeva was shot NEAR the toilet and /or also when Reeva's head feel over onto the toilet seat. Roux's information HELPED the PROSECUTORS. Also, the spin projectiles in the magazine rack could be the result of the shots fired in Reeva via the position that the Captain indicated, or the result of Oscar picking them up and throwing them in the magazine rack himself. Why would we NOT think that Oscar would tamper with evidence? Oscar tampered with the MOST important EVIDENCE which is REEVA. Oscar carried Reeva down the stairs, THUS removing Reeva FROM the CRIME scene. IF Oscar would have left Reeva upstairs, the reenacting of the crime scene would have been easier but *Oscar carries Reeva DOWN the stairs but does NOT even TRY to administer CPR on her when he does* and *THEN* when security contacts Oscar, Oscar LIES and tells security that EVERYTHING is ALRIGHT but Oscar KNEW that everything was NOT alright because he was sitting there with Reeva's DYING BODY. As it turns out, Oscar WAITED for Reeva to die and PRETENDED like he wanted her to be SAVED so badly while in the presence of the doctor. This is WHAT we know, IF Oscar wanted Reeva to REALLY be SAVED, he would have IMMEDIATELY told security what happened and URGED security to call for help but INSTEAD, Oscar STALLS HELP for Reeva by telling security that EVERY thing is okay and then Oscar WAITS until HE can determine that Reeva was TRULY DEAD and THEN, he calls security back and pretends to be SO TRAUMATIZED to the point of NOT being able to talk.

I dread thinking that the last shot,the one in the head is that OP bashed the door with the cricket bat to be able to open it , went in and fired the last shot on her head so he was that close to her!?

@NoirFilleChante

10 жыл бұрын

Then dont...the evidence early shoes that 3 of the 4 fired shots THROUGH THE DOOR hit Reeva.

@allanjoshua5799

10 жыл бұрын

not possible... there were 4 shots and there are 4 bullet holes on the door.

@maggie19ful

10 жыл бұрын

the blood spatter expert did not mention on his testimony about the blood on the duvet and even blood on the headboard of the bed.Or did I miss that.I was looking on here the session 2 trial Wednesday because that is the full episode of the 19th trial where it should include the blood spatter expert's testimony

@maggie19ful

10 жыл бұрын

he only explained that the blood trails are from reeva's head wound including the blood around the cricket bat ,when OP carried her body from the toilet and downstairs

@Seedsow4

10 жыл бұрын

Carrie Aldighieri OMG ROTFLMAO!!!! "put it" to the judge.

As in the O.J trial, muddy waters can get a obviously guilty defendant off. If he does get off he will never have a sane girlfriend again.

Hopefully this trial will put other guys off murdering their girlfriends if only to avoid having to go through the hassle of a long trial like this.

@kathyfricker5030

Жыл бұрын

Idiot

Is the prosecuting solicitor not allowed to object to any of Roux rude and embarrassing questions ma lady? anyone can see he's flogging a dead horse Ma lady. Pistol P should never be allowed to wear is prosthetic legs again ma lady

This is freak en SCARY...if this man was in shoes with with the job that i am doing......lol.....its like someone is coming into the emergency unit and say i am having a hart attack,the doctor treats him as if he have a hart attack,give him medication to treat a hart attack and the intensest that takes the patient over,ask him if he did blood tests and x rays to proof the man has a hart attack ,he will say no,i know a hart attack when i see one,,,,,i have had many patients that had hart attacks....if the blood test shows he have a pulmonary embolism....the doctor will strongly disagree with him...because he knows what a hart attack looks like....jee how did he did the rest of his cases.....JEEEEEE!!!!!we are living in a scary place!!!!!!

@tomanol8

10 жыл бұрын

except that he did ballistic tests which resulted to some conclusion. if you are reffering to witness..

@esterveldman4983

10 жыл бұрын

tomanol8 You see van der nest crushed this statement,Mangena did ballistic tests but he also missed a few VERY important ones ,that causes doubt ,and if it causes enough reasonable doubt the statement gets discredited

@esterveldman4983

10 жыл бұрын

tomanol8 The problem is the witness,do not make a conclusion on facts,facts is if you use your experience to guide you to do the right kind of test,you do not use only your experience,to make a conclusion,then you go to to the things you missed,and you test in hard facts if you came to the right conclusion....the best this guy could say was i did not do the tests....but i know....sorry not good enough

I personally did not see what such a stunning woman saw in this freek, he clearly has short man syndrome and just months before he shot her, he was throwing a hissy fit because someone had better prosthesis then him. I hope that when he goes to Jail that they take away his prosthesis as that would be unfair to all the other prisoners as his prosthesis could be classified as weapons in Jail, he must walk around on his stumps, and it is such a shame his poor mother must be turning in her grave to know that her son is a monster.

Pistroius has for ever damaged the imaged of disabled athletes He has thrown it all away much Like Lance armstrongdid

@NoirFilleChante

10 жыл бұрын

No he hasn't? The only image he damaged was his own. That's like saying OJ Simpson has forever damaged the image of football players.

@michaeltaylor8835

10 жыл бұрын

Pistorious was the poster boy of disabled athletes. Lance armstrong has damaged the image of professional cyclists by doping

@xolaninkosikhona4873

10 жыл бұрын

Michael Taylor It depends on which image you are referring to. in this case it is only character deformation of his own and not of other disabled athletes, because they are not victims of such conduct.

@michaeltaylor8835

10 жыл бұрын

but he has done nothing to show that disabled athletes are different from others. He has shown no gratitude for the help he has received and people may think that the next disabled athlete will behave the same. Society tends to tar people with the same brush. The next person trying to make it to the top will have a harder time because of the conduct of pistorious IMHO

At 20;23 witness seem hesitant about what he is saying, I wonder why? he shuffles papers, moves objects in front of him while talking, little odd

tnx god op he's out

Oscar (Pistolius) =Guilty as Charged....

He should go to prison anyway. Someone could have been killed instead of his girlfriend. He has no right to take someone else's life. Only God knows the truth. If he escapes man judgement surly he will not escape God's judgment and wrath period.

why are we going through all this . Oscar shot her . we have the gun the shooter . who cares who was sitting and whose hip was there and here. so why are we not just arguing about who he thought he was shooting and not alap this other stuff

What a terrible way to die.....Stop closing your ears...Listen what you did to her you coward.

Some of you are so narrow minded

@susannemuller2094

10 жыл бұрын

yes - but what do you mean by that?

Oscar's head is hanging down again.

@maggie19ful

10 жыл бұрын

he is ashamed of what he has done

For me, Oscar putting his head in his hands (as if hiding from the details) when talking about how he must of carried Reva out of the bathroom. thats when I would of expected to see real emotion, open tears, apologising in regret when re living the moment, the magnitude of such a mistake to a woman he loved. Yet he showed no emotion, nothing! I too was surprised when I heard he already had another girlfriend already! On watching the evidence so far, I believe him guilty of murder.

Bottom line is that whenever visiting OP, male or female, and they need to use the facilities during the night, they must first awaken OP and announce their intention prior to doing so.

Surely Reeva would have screamed when first shot . Why didn't he hear her .?

@maggie19ful

10 жыл бұрын

marie mckay he wanted to finish her because then if she survived the ordeal then she is a witness herself to attempted murder that would definitely lock him in jail

op is lyin about the doble taps

@12thando34

10 жыл бұрын

for me this expert is the only witness so far who has given me enough to conclude that oscar knew what he was doing.

Thumbs up for Milady!