I sir, enjoy the mature sound of quality jazz. Thank you for going through the trouble of demonstrating this for us.

My 250 LVB lasted two years before having to be replaced. I switched to the original 2M Black, and the difference is very evident in the SQ.

I have to say, that the LVB would be my favorite. Thank you for your effort! Grettings from Germany.

All are awesome cartridges that make you wonder how the cult of the moving coil cartridge ever got started. The 2m Black LVB is a bit smoother than the 2m Bronze, which I own, but I find the Bronze to be more musically engaging. This may be because the Black is not fully broken in. The 45 year-old Shure V15 holds its own against these more "modern" cartridges.

@ejcheck

Жыл бұрын

The Shure is amazing considering its age Thanks for watching

@vinylcabasse

11 ай бұрын

to me the 'cult of the moving coil' comes from the same place as people who justify spending 10s of thousands on a mechanical watch. it's a miniaturized, mechanical, hand-made thing of beauty (and it's inherently fragile) but the lightest generator masses are moving iron, not moving coil.

@jeffl915

6 ай бұрын

I am on my 2nd Bronze, and find no reason to move to Black. I use a Sutherland KC Vibe Pre-Amp, and it just sounds Great. I cannot find a reason to spend more money.

@armanddimeo6575

6 ай бұрын

@@jeffl915 Agreed. The Bronze is the sweet spot of the 2m line.

I finally found the best way to listen to this program is making Keef with my 'home-grown.' That way I can take a break after the show and dream of all the things I want!

Very nice set-up Elliot!

@ejcheck

11 ай бұрын

Thank you. My goal was to put together my dream set up in retirement

thanks for that very helpful comparison. the black lvb 250 sounded clearly better than the bronze.

I just got a shure v15 type 3 and it’s amazing. I run a v15 type 4 and 3 and m95ed and they all sound good

@ejcheck

28 күн бұрын

They were great cartridges. The V15III was considered to have been the peak of the line

Very nice system you have Sir . I would be very pleased with the Thorens it's s great sounding turntable

@ejcheck

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. We are retired and are setting up a retirement home. I grabbed a section of basement for my ManCave. I was going to use some old vintage equipment I had but said screw it and decided to go 1st class. And I have to say the results are awesome!

Thanks for sharing.

Congrats Elliot both are amazing turntables. The VPI has more Soundstage and thorens is warmer both sound great.

@ejcheck

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, they are both great TTs but I think as far as the sound stage goes that is a reflection of the cartridge more so than the table.

@jerryandlisa27

2 жыл бұрын

@@ejcheck Where did you buy your ultrasonic record cleaner I'm using a cheap record spin. Thank you for your demonstration on the 2m black . I will definitely buy for my technics 1200g. Great channel.

@ejcheck

2 жыл бұрын

I bought it on Amazon on sale, which again appears to be the case. The sale and Amazon points made it very attractive. I've been very happy with it www.amazon.com/iSonic-P4875II-MVR10-Ultrasonic-10-Records/dp/B07PT6HRNQ/ref=sr_1_3?crid=3FAVYQX5W4QO9&keywords=isonic+record+cleaner&qid=1647133445&sprefix=isonic+record+cleaner%2Caps%2C86&sr=8-3

@ejcheck

2 жыл бұрын

You probably spotted it already but here's my video on the iSonic kzread.info/dash/bejne/p4OCr49wZ9LMeMo.html

You shouldn't use a weight on the Thorens will damage the bearing and shim, check the bottom of the shim it shouldn't have an indentation, and the bottom of the spindle should be perfect without any line around it. the bearing can be improved I've done it on mine by changing the shim and and the plastic shim underneath and two types of lubrication.

I can't wait for my LVB to arrive with my X2

@inko123

2 жыл бұрын

I have a 2M Black with my Technics 1500C; I'm excited to hear the difference with this cartridge upgrade too!

@pseudoty

2 жыл бұрын

How do you like this combo? I was looking at the same setup

@kerrye83

2 жыл бұрын

@@pseudoty it's almost as if you knew it was arriving today. It litterally arrived 17 mins ago, and they are setting up as I text. Circle back in a week and I'll give you an update. I have a 60yr speyside waitng to be opened and can't think of a better time than my first vinyl on my new setup.

omg.... This is just what i have been looking for!! I have a EAT Major c Sharp w Bronze With a mcintosh MA9000 Looking to buy black needle... Focal 1028 speakers

You have very nice equipment. Do you have a preference for MM over MC? That is the case for me. I am breaking in my black lvb 250 right now. Its been 40+ hours and it is starting to open up. Thanks

@ejcheck

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. We recently moved into a new retirement and I decided to go for the brass ring with the audio. I'm 71 and my hearing is starting to show my age. I am perfectly happy with the MM carts I'm using. I have been concerned about the fragility of the exposed stylii on the MCs as well. I think that any sound improvement would be marginal and not worth the expense (for me).

The shure v15 was my favourite

@ejcheck

5 ай бұрын

mine too

Do you find the Tube Box S2 sound to be better than the McIntosh onboard phono pre?

@ejcheck

2 жыл бұрын

I'm happy with the McIntosh on-board preamp. The MA352 has a better phono section than the MA252 and allows you adjust for capacitance matching. The VPI is running through the Mc phono. The TubeBox S2 is quite good and I picked it up when I was using the phono on my Yamaha Receiver. This was a major improvement over the Yamaha. I am using it with the Thorens TD160 on an aux input of the Mc. Both are good and I think pretty similar in performance

The LVB 250 was too bright and detailed, for my liking. The Bronze sounds warmer than the LVB 250, producing a more natural vinyl listening experience. The Shure lacks punch, unlike the Bronze, which sounds more full. However, I prefer the sound of the Shure over the LVB 250. Overall, the Bronze sounds the best. In my opinion, the LVB 250 isn’t worth the $500 upgrade from the Bronze.

??? Can i use my bronze cartridge with the LVB250 NEEDLE?

@ejcheck

2 жыл бұрын

The cartridge body is the same! All I did was buy the LVB stylus and plug it in. It saves $200 over the cartridge. The same can be done to upgrade the Red 2M to a Blue 2M

The not-calibrated mic is just picking up room resonances - there's no stereo picture to speak of and your camera movement is also causing phase problems (the mic shouldn't move). The real way to demo a cart on video is a direct feed to the computer, bypassing both speakers and room (with all those reflections). This would be a enlightening side-by-side comparison if you have the amp direct feeding a line level output to the computer next time.

if you had to only live with one set would you chose the JBL's or Klipsch?

@ejcheck

7 ай бұрын

Both are fantastic speakers and I'd be happy with either. But, I'd have to say the Klipsch if I could only have 1. I've loved them for 30yrs

@allenwilliams8962

7 ай бұрын

@@ejcheck awesome cause I have forte IV’s

@ejcheck

7 ай бұрын

An awesome speaker, it will outlive you

Your a great looking silver fox .... WOOF WOOF !!!

@ejcheck

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@ejcheck

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks

The first two carts had too much treble the last one was more realistic that’s only my taste some people like that false tis ‘‘tis it’s treble sound

The Black LVB 250 is clearly the winner here for clarity and micro dynamics. The Bronze is no slouch, but it just got beat by the Black LVB.

@roikhockenberger2790

2 жыл бұрын

@@ROBERTODILANDRO Gee, you seem rather agitated and hostile. My experience with both of the Ortofons in the post with my own direct listening. If you need to find fault with the OP, please direct your venom to that person.

@ROBERTODILANDRO

2 жыл бұрын

@@roikhockenberger2790 Sorry, I didn't mean to be flippant, just that your message has been so direct and the sound of the video so bad that it's impossible to determine the quality of the needles through it. I have a Bronze and a Black and was curious to know the differences with an LVB.

It's super distracting when trying to listen to this at volume and you keep moving the darn camera creating a lot of noise. Why would you move the camera mid-recording?

@ejcheck

Жыл бұрын

Sorry about that. I don't recall what happened at the time to prompt me to reset the camera. I agree it should not have been done

run in not broke in

linn axis beat that vpi

@ejcheck

2 жыл бұрын

That's why they make so many different TTs. Enjoy your Linn

@terjeaudio4308

Жыл бұрын

how can you compare in this format

Naah. In my home country would have fixed the focus issue before publishing the review, So it´s not something you can call "quality"

Ja nie widzę różnicy.

@ejcheck

Ай бұрын

As I said in the video, the differences to me were not great, and as we get older (I'm 73) they will be less noticeable. All 3 cartridges sounded great. I still use the V15III on theThorens and the Black LVB 250 on the VPI. I keep the Bronze stylus as a spare

@agencjaad6980

Ай бұрын

@@ejcheck I am 66 years old, I use 2M Blue. As for the remaining equipment: Audiovector R3 Signature, Unison Research Unico Due, Pro-Ject Classic, but I have the Gigawatt PC3 SE conditioner and Tara Labs cables. Listening to music is poetry! Mainly vinyl. I have a Monrio CD with a Philis Pro2 drive. Regards.

@ejcheck

Ай бұрын

@@agencjaad6980 I only listen to and buy LPs. Heavy into Jazz and good Old R&R (60's & 70's)

@ejcheck

Ай бұрын

@@agencjaad6980 The 2M Blue is a lovely cartridge. The nude stylus is a major difference over the Red. I have one on a U-Turn Orbit I picked up for it's low [profile for the living room to keep the wife happy with her dceorating\

@agencjaad6980

Ай бұрын

​@@ejcheck Pozdrawiam. Moja żona (20 lat młodsza) też słucha muzyki. Zaraziłem ją tym poniekąd drogim, ale nad wyraz fascynującym zajęciem. Pozdrawiam i długich lat słuchania. Regards. My wife (20 years younger) also listens to music. I introduced her to this somewhat expensive but extremely fascinating activity. Best regards and long years of listening

All three sound like shitty jazz to me ;-) thanks for the comparison

Plz talk a little bit slower!!

How are we supposed to judge lol. The audio quality is abysmal rendering the whole idea of this comparison the very definition of stupid

@ejcheck

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching.

@tomwebb7091

2 жыл бұрын

@@ejcheck dont thank me, thank the autoplay feature!