Big thanks to Coptic Orthodox Answers for inviting me to participate in this dialogue. I’m grateful for the friendship we all share and the work that our Lord has called each of us to do. I pray that the dialogue on here would remain charitable, as we all seek to work out our salvation with fear and trembling.

@franthonymourad5870

3 күн бұрын

@frmichaelsorial Thank you for joining us for such an important discussion. I am looking forward to future collaborations!

@KonstantinosPhillippikos

2 күн бұрын

Love you and support you Fr Michael Χριστὸς Aνέστη ☦

Greatings from Malankara ( Indian) Orthodox Syrian Church to our brothers Coptic Orthodox Church and all other oriental Orthodox Churches as well as Eastern (Byzantine) Orthodox Churches May Holy Spirit help us to be in communion with each other.

I’ve never found in a church such great humility as I have in the Coptic Orthodox Church. So thankful.

Thank you, dear Fathers, for making a defense of our Faith. May the Light be shown to all who seek it in honesty and truth, through our holy saints Saweris, Dioscoros, Gregory of Tatev, Elijah of Antioch, Barsauma, Theodora, and those who fought for the True Orthodox Faith.

@SmilingCamperVan-fn4em

3 күн бұрын

I'm interested in orthodoxy i don't know where to start..

@MinaDKSBMSB

3 күн бұрын

​@@SmilingCamperVan-fn4em consider visiting a church near you or reach out to a priest. Dont hesitate. Is there something in particular you are looking for?

@Aprilfool1982

3 күн бұрын

@@SmilingCamperVan-fn4em where are you based? Start by reaching out to the closest parish

@sakogekchyan7366

3 күн бұрын

I'm glad you mentioned Gregory. I often feel like we are minions don't get as much attention as our Coptic and Ethiopian brethren when it comes to these discussions.

@franthonymourad5870

3 күн бұрын

@dioscorus Thank you for your support. Rest assured there is a lot more to cover on this important subject. For those who don't know, Dioscorus and others have covered this subject at length on @TheLionsDen. Excellent work is being don't there

I am a member of the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church, which is a part of the Oriental Orthodox communion. This podcast is one of my favorites, and I really enjoy listening to it. I feel empathy for the concerns expressed by the father from the Eastern Orthodox tradition. Despite our theological differences, both Eastern and Oriental Orthodox traditions have a rich history of producing saints and guiding us on how to lead godly lives in this world. It's important to focus on our commonalities in order to protect our followers from the influences of the world. I am eager to hear more from this team, and I suggest that they consider featuring theologians from other Oriental Orthodox traditions, such as Ethiopian, Syrian, Indian, Armenian, and Eritrean, depending on the topic being discussed.

We are standing on the shoulders of pillars The batton of our faith was passed from Christ, taught by the apostles, and held by our ancestors. These pillars carried the gem of the faith. The diamond of our salvation. St. Mark was dragged through the streets for us. Thousands of our ancestors killed by Decius and Diocletian. The saying was that the blood of our ancestors was up to knees of the horses. Numerous patriarchs living a very poor life of continuous exile rather than renounce the faith. Coptic Pope St. Athanasius the Apostolic who was exiled 5 times and continuously persecuted by the Arians. Coptic Popes St Cyril and St Dioscorus choosing a life of being constantly slandered and not caring about anything except preserving the only faith that reunites us with God. Surrender to Satan was not an option. Pope St Theodosius I who Justinian tried tempting to renounce the nonchalcedonian faith. The emperor was going to make him governor over all of Egypt and Africa. St. Theodosius responded that Satan tried something similar with the Lord. Not gonna happen. St. Pope Theodosius was exiled. The emperor sent a fake patriarch who was also a general who killed 200,000 copts. We stand on their shoulders. Centuries of persecution under Islam where our ancestors chose to die or pay the jizya rather than denounce their creator. Not to mention all the shoulders we stand on of our parents and grandparents who established the churches we are now in. Let us not even dare to make their sacrifices cheap. In the liturgy we say “As it was and shall be….” Shame on us if we cause our descendants to squander this gem (our eternal life) that was handed to us on a silver platter. The gem in our hands is the Lord our God, covered in the blood and sweat of our ancestors. Coptic, Syrian, Armenian, Ethiopian, Eritrean, Malankaran, human.

@franthonymourad5870

3 күн бұрын

Beautifully said, dear brother. The best way to honor our ancestors is to remain faithful and to uncover the beauty and the wealth of our Oriental Orthodox faith! God bless you

It's out! full 2-hour response to a video stating that the Oriental Orthodox are neither Orthodox, nor are they part of the Church...and that we need to repent! Enjoy the discussion between the 4 panelists and see for yourselves whether or not such accusations are true.

@sfappetrupavelandrei

11 сағат бұрын

I think that your interpretation regarding what fr. John Mahfouz said in that video, is not the best. There are 2 views about the Church: one is the one mentioned by fr. John which it states that there is only one Church or the so called theory of branches. The same way fr. John says that the (Eastern) Orthodox Church is the only Church, a catholic may say that the Catholic Church is the only Church. The idea behind it, it is that there is only one truth and the Holy Spirit takes care of the Church in preserving that truth. So as long as we don't share the same dogmatic view, we either accept that there are more than one truth or that the Holy Spirit doesn't really care about the Church having the correct dogmatic view. And there are differences. Even if you claim that you have the same view regarding the natures of Christ, from what I understand from Copts writing in comments on that video with Fr. John, there are differences regarding Christ having one or 2 wills. So there is still dogmatic differences. Am I mistaken? From my understanding you believe that Christ had one will while we (EO) believe that Christ preserved both His divine will and His human will as it happened with His natures. Now the fact that a lot of these denominations claim to have miracles and saints through which the Holy Spirit works, it is something which we, humans, don't have a solution for it. We will probably understand everything at the end of times. I can have a lot of respect and appreciation for a Catholic or Oriental Orthodox without accepting their dogmas. I don't know what happens in other denominations but what I know is that here (in the Eastern Orthodox Church) it is Christ and this is the only path for me to follow Christ.

I am from ETHIOPIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH please continue such podcasts

When I converted to Orthodoxy, I was baptized in an OCA church in WA. I went back to Honolulu where I was raised and attended a Greek Orthodox Church. I discovered a Coptic Orthodox Church and was Chrismated. I was the only person who could take Communion at all the Orthodox churches. To prevent an Orthodox Christian in good standing and who believes in and declares the same Creed is unconscionable! A seminary divided in Communion is no seminary at all!

Amazing work Abounas!!, May the Holy Church of God continue bearing good fruits!!

God Bless ! Starting to Listen. When Fr. John Mahfouz says the Coptic Church is not the Church, He includes each of us the Non- Chalcedonian commune from the Malankara (Indian) Orthodox , Armenian , Ethiopian, Eritrean ,Syrian and the Coptic. Beyond dialogue is life and living our faith. This was the faith and ask of each of us when our fathers met in 1965 Addis Ababa Conference. .It is going to 40 Years this coming January 15 - 21, 1965. The question we need to ask if if we are living it. For one of the greatest proponent for bringing a understanding on this dialogue, Our Father V.C Samuel of Blessed Memory in his life was requesting us his children from the Indian Orthodox Church. In fact, the effort should be focused first within us who are in communion.

@franthonymourad5870

3 күн бұрын

Fr VC Damuel is a legend. And yes, I agree, I know relationships among us are very positive and loving, but more and more dialogue will surely help.

@georgevarghese4189

21 сағат бұрын

@@franthonymourad5870 ,With you blessing Father

I’m Ethiopian Orthodox, and how the Coptic fathers are always at the forefront defending our faith with humility and Christ-like love and respect is just so amazing! Copts>>>>>

Thank you COA for this work! I pray this response reaches those who struggle to see us as who we really are.

Us not being in communion makes me sad. It's time we came together again.

Thank you fathers for a highly informative, loving, and charitable discussion. May God guide our mothers back to unity so that we may display the true desire of the Father. Through the intercessions of St. Athanasius, St. Cyril, St. Dioscorus, St. Severus, and all the Holy fathers who have defended the true Orthodox faith.

Thank you for organizing this so essential forum of discussion. The world needs clarity on profoundly fundamental aspects of humanity, which is Christianity.

Thank you our beloved fathers for your great discussion and may the Lord Jesus help us to be united with EO.

I love Egyptian Christians only cause they suffered the same islamic invation we Greek suffered too the arabs tried to destroy Coptics the same way Turks tried to destroy Greeks but they both failed cause our only lord JesusChrist never leave us alone ☦

@CyrilMatthai-jr8lw

Күн бұрын

The Turks tried to destroy the Copts, the Ethiopians, and Armenians too.

@juarbemike77

17 сағат бұрын

In 711, the Muslim Umayyad Caliphate invaded the Iberian Peninsula, initiating centuries of Muslim rule in Spain. During this period, Muslims sought to establish their dominance and spread Islam, leading to conflicts with the Christian kingdoms in northern Spain. The reconquista, a gradual process of Christian reconquest, began in the 8th century and continued for over seven centuries. In 1492, the Catholic Monarchs, Queen Isabella I of Castile and King Ferdinand II of Aragon, completed the reconquista with the conquest of the Nasrid Kingdom of Granada, marking the end of Muslim rule in Spain. The reconquista had a profound impact on Spanish history, shaping its religious, cultural, and political landscape.

Dear Fathers, thank you very much for this talk! I'm a Serbian Orthodox, I visited Egypt recently, and I was completely amazed with the life of your Church, and with your theology. I read your theological explanations (F. Theodore Malaty and others) and I realized: you are not heretics at all! This is also obvoius from the fact that you haven't fallen in any additional (later, new) heresy, unlike Roman Catholics who keep falling deeper and deeper. I felt our spiritual unity very much. I'm in favor of leaving ridiculous (and heretical) ecumenical dialogue with completely confused western Christians who have less and less traces of original genuine Christianity: we should achieve unity among the Eastern Orthodox Churches and abandon futile talks and heretical prayers with the people that now don't know which sex they are, let alone any true theological issue. However, there are some current very serious problems: Patriarchate of Constantinople is directed by USA (and some other western states) to destroy the unity of the Orthodox, while procuring a complete unity of Greek Churches with the heresy of Roman Catholicism. The other grave issue is the ecclesiological and theological position of the Armenian Church: recently they entered a full eucharistic union with the Catholics, and several modern Armenian theologians openly advocate the heresy of aphtharodocetism (Julian of Halicarnassus & co.). However, I hope these obstacles are not insurmountable, if there is genuine will! All the best to all of you!

Dialogue between the two branches is much needed! Not by individuals like that lady in the video, or that other gentleman. That is not a criteria. We need church councils and monastics, to start talking to each other! That one will count. We need the clear up all the (naturally) piled up animosities and differences over the centuries / millennia! That's what happens when people STOP talking to each other. There probably WILL be details that will look like roadblocks along the way, but I am positive that the Lord can unite us through our good will and honest dialogues. Some kind of unity is so much needed here, instead of anathemas.

@sfappetrupavelandrei

11 сағат бұрын

Most of the Eastern Orthodox monastics reject the idea of a Church with multiple branches. It rejects the idea that the Holy Spirit preserves the purity of the dogmas in the Church. There was a couple of years ago a point where from the theologians' point of view, an unity between EO and OO was very close. But then monks from Holy Mount Athos, monastics from various monasteries and lay people were strongly against it so the dialogue kind of froze.

This is a great podcast. I think it also presents an opportunity for more videos to discuss some of these topics in-depth. Happy to help make this happen in any way I can.

Fathers,your discussion was wonderful and constructive. After saying this,I also fill the pain when Fr John compare orthodox church to Mormons.I wish he personally and Eastern Orthodox as a church study our christology in detail as some scholars do and stop accusing us Monophysite. We are Miaphysit.A brother from Ethiopian orthodox Tewahdo church.

@hayatkatrib4378

17 сағат бұрын

Thank you fathers for this friendly conversation. We need more of this and we need all of us to pray together to the guidance of the Holy Spirit with love and humbleness. For our leaders who are afraid of being crucified with Christ, if you really believe in the judgment of the second coming of Christ , what will be your defense at that moment. Part of my daily prayer I pray for the unity of all Christians , Orthodox, Catholics, and all versions of Protestants , I felt deeply injured by the apparent division of Orthodoxy although I knew about it from before, but didn’t realize that it is hurting to this extent. Please fathers continue your discussions with hearts full of the love of Christ and with the humbleness that He directed us to be and show.

As an Eastern Orthodox, I pray for unity.

I wish he could speak Amharic and come to Ethiopia. I would've taken him to monasteries where there are monks who learned the Bible and other books by heart and have been teaching christology like for 30 and 40 years. Imagine he speak to them like you guys don't know who Christ is and you have to come to the true church. I am pretty sure that they will obliterate him with overwhelming theological answers and he would be speechless in less than an hour. He asks them one question, they will give him ten correct answers.😂

@jonathanmeena6662

2 күн бұрын

Are you speaking of John Mahfouz?

@yenenehw

Күн бұрын

@@jonathanmeena6662 Yeah he is speaking of the EO priest who disrespected us. To add to his point, these Coptic priest panelists seem begging for acceptance and they reflect poorly on our faith. Their lack of faith and feeble behavior only serves to strengthen the EO's misconceptions, leading them to openly and consistently hammer and label the entire OO family as heretics. The OO and EO Churches are fundamentally distinct, Leo of Chalcedon remains a heretic and given the significant Christological differences, achieving unity between the OO and EO is impossible. The Coptic OO's approach to seeking ecumenism with the EO and Roman Catholic Church is concerning.

@sfappetrupavelandrei

11 сағат бұрын

If you talk about obliterating someone who believes that the truth is owned by his Church, I feel that you may not have the right spirit. Even the Apostles warned to keep the teachings we received. Now someone is bad because he does that. I have no desire to obliterate a Catholic who says that the only Church is the Catholic Church. I will strongly disagree with him but I will have a deep respect for his love towards his Church.

@biniam_hailu

10 сағат бұрын

@@sfappetrupavelandrei Please don't twist what I said. it's obvious that I wasn't talking about physical altercation or something like that. What I said was if he knew Amharic language and willing to come to Ethiopia to debate about christology, I am glad to take him to renowned monks who teach theology. And that's it. We are the children of St. Athanasius and St. Cyril, we don't need a naughty priest to tell us that he right and we are wrong. Because they are apostolic, I have big respect for Eastern Orthodox churches as well as the Catholic church. We have a lot in common.

I love how the EO priest mr “they’re in darkness” was happy to slander the OO but when he gets offered to come on the show & discuss it he declines..

@georgegorgi1152

Күн бұрын

Sad

I appreciate the humbleness put into some of the reactions. However, my strict belief is that regarding the fundamental dogmatic matters, Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox churches are different, and the latter is really orthodox in the sense that we follow the original Christian teaching being fundamentalist. As a member of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, I am not allowed to participate in communion service of the Easter orthodox church.

@franthonymourad5870

3 күн бұрын

Thank you for sharing your thoughts and I appreciate your response, my friend. Rest assured, there is so much more to unpack on this subject: a proper historical narrative of all that happened and was taught at Epehesus and all that led up to Chaceldon. Not to mention the turmoil introduced by the chelcedionian formula which led to unrest accoress the empire for almost 100 years.... you are not wrong - we were not saying the same thing, and that needs to be properly explained. Yes, language and terminology played a role, so did politics and power struggles, but so did theology! And all this will hopefully be unpacked in future videos. God bless you!

@user-dx9nr1jm9c

2 күн бұрын

@@franthonymourad5870 Fr Anthony are you here saying that Oriental Orthodoxy is “better” than Eastern Orthodoxy? If so, is that not just the flip side of what Fr John M. was, in essence, saying?

@franthonymourad5870

2 күн бұрын

​@user-dx9nr1jm9c The process of any good dialogue is twofold: to defend and give proper perspective on one's position and to also allow the same from the person sitting accross from you (while sincerely listening to their said claim). I believe my intention in my reply was to demonstrate that the Non-chalcedonian Oriental Churches have very good historical and theological reasons to hold the miaphysite position, and we intend to show that perspective to give the audience a chance to hear our side of the story. Now, as for "better", that's not the point at all. As we've said in the video, non of this is an a attempt to say "our mom is better", but rather "she is beautiful ". Therefore we are declaring here is the truth we've held on to. In so doing, we pray that we would never again be accused of a heresy "monophysitism" - which we are unjustly often accused of. To us this is a matter of truth and a defense of it. Ultimately, we hope that in sharing that, it may increase an openness to dialogue and ultimately increase the chances of union.

A lovely and charitable discussion. I always find the dialogue by the clergy on this channel charitable toward all Christians, focusing on what is good, godly, and positive instead of pointing out what is (supposedly) faulty. Due to a recommendation by Fr. Anthony several months ago in his Q&A, I read Fr. V. C. Samuel, "The Council of Chalcedon Re-Examined," and wrote extensively about this book. I have waiting on my shelf a second book on the same topic, by Archbishop Karekin Sarkissian (later, Catholicos of all Armenians): "The Council of Chalcedon and the Armenian Church." I will write on this book as well. My heart aches hearing of the OO students unable to take communion at the EO seminary. What a sad statement, brothers sharing everything except that which is most fruitful and nourishing. I agree that Christology is important, but beyond recognizing that Jesus is both God and man, it is difficult for me to imagine that St. Peter will be standing at the gate testing us on giving the perfect definition of Christology as a condition of entry. To think that comprehending the incomprehensible is a cause of division is beyond my understanding.

@MinaDKSBMSB

2 күн бұрын

Indeed Judges 13:18 "Why do you ask my name?" "It is too wonderful for you to understand." 1 Tim 3:16 "Great is the mystery of Godliness: God was manifest in the flesh"

May God keep “Otsiks”for us all!

I love you all from Ethiopian Orthodox Church.

I’m Catholic and the I really really like the how Miaphysitism approaches the unity of Christ’s Divine and Human Natures and it seems to be a better way of articulating things

Evangelizing to non believers is the key to solve many issues

LONG LIVE ORTHODOXY, i'm from ethiopia living under ethiopian orthodox tewahido church. tewahido means miaphysitism in geez language of ethiopia. i think the problem here is most of us are afraid of uniting and condemn each other with strong words. they condemn us of the same thing that we condemn them of, it's clear there was a historical misunderstanding of brothers and we should be one again, their is only one orthodox church.

Fathers, could you, please, give a list of literature regarding Chalcedon from the Coptic point of view. Thank you!

@Lawrence-Gabriel

11 сағат бұрын

Forgive me fathers for answering but I know abouna Anthony recommends this book The Council of Chalcedon Re-Examined Book by V. C. Samuel

@MinaDKSBMSB

7 сағат бұрын

Fr. Shenouda Maher’s Christology and the Council of Chalcedon, Roman Catholic priest Richard Price’s minutes of Chalcedon with commentary (I give this as a Coptic viewpoint because Price is actually honest and many times shows the contradictions and incongruence of Ephesus I and Chalcedon.). After that, read St. Cyril’s letters after the formula of reunion and go backwards chronologically through his many Christological writings (Letters to Succensus I and II, letter to Acacius, letter to Eulogius, letter to Valerian, “That Christ is One” also Chalcedonianly titled “On the Unity of Christ”). Then go through his writings surrounding Ephesus I (Letters to Nestorius, 12 anathemas, Responses to Theodoret’s refutations of the 12 anathemas). Then when you have a basic grasp of Christology, and you want to meet God face to face, read St. Severus in his entirety.

@VladimirKartayev

7 сағат бұрын

@MinaDKSBMSB thank you very much

Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria Syrian Orthodox Church of Antioch Armenian Orthodox Church Tawhedo Orthodox Church Long live miaphysitism

@mdreagazit6794

3 күн бұрын

U forgot the other sister church, malankara, Eritrea Tewahdo , Ethiopian Tewahdo

@noblemottythomas7664

2 күн бұрын

@@mdreagazit6794 malankara church is a fraction of universal Syrian Orthodox Church of Antioch and I have already mentioned Tawhedo Orthodox Church

@CyrilMatthai-jr8lw

Күн бұрын

And the Indian Orthodox Church, the church of arguably the greatest Oriental theologians of the previous century - Fr. VC Samuel, HG Paulose Mar Gregorios, and HG Gregorios Mar Osthathios.

Ethiopia/Eritrea Tewahedo Orthodox Church the word Tewahedo translated into the divinity and humanity United as one ☝️! Eastern Orthodox and Catholic Christian were with us until the fourth ecumenical council just because we decided not to attend the fourth ecumenical councils to avoid Arianism and Nestorian Hersey all of the sudden Oreintal Churches seen as hectic by Caledonian Churches ⛪️! The funny part is that the fifth ecumenical councils held to fix the fourth ecumenical council’s problems! Still what bothered me is that both Eastern and Catholic Churches accepted the first three ecumenical councils that define the chritolgy of Christ but Caledonian churches call us Monophysite and Diphysite. We’re stubborn like mule and we keep all teaching and traditions we’ve received from Christ and his Apostles as it is and pass it to the next generation until the end of the day!

Thank you our fathers for defending the Faith of our ancestors who died and shed their blood for it. Thank you our fathers for defending the youth who is being messed with into thinking they are not part of the Body of Christ, through your prayers, may they be protected. This is a good and proper video responding to the many attacks our Church faces today. One thing I will humbly say, my ears were a little bit uncomfortable hearing the term, “two mothers.” If Christ is one, and has one Body, then there can only be one mother, as the Father of Ecclesiology’, St. Cyprian teaches. Although this is my only point for the video. Also, I spoke to some of the fathers and bishops who were around during the time of the dialogue and they said it was not accepted by many of the churches when taken back to the Synod’s, and they expressed this was because there is a true and real difference and God was protecting His Church. I just wish to humbly share these thoughts, I pray they may be of value and edification. Thank you again fathers. May God reward you in this life and the next.

At 4059 Dr. Bouteneff says that it is heresy to believe Christ has one will. Why did none of our priests contest this when asked to comment?

@franthonymourad5870

2 күн бұрын

On the matter of One or Two Wills in Christ, we decided not to address it in this video but to have a separate video on this subject as it deserves more time and attention. Im sure you will agree that there is a lot to unpack on this subject. Hence why Fr Michael said at the end of our video that we could have said and discussed many more things, but we chose to limit our conversations to those in this podcast. Indeed, we, too, noticed that Dr. Bouteneff states that Monothelitism is a 6th C. heresy and he also mentions in the video that in dialoguing with Oriental Theologians, they have confessed that Christ has two wills. We can not speak for Dr. Bouteneff nor those he dialogued with, although we would have liked to know what was meant by those who made the statement... And to be clear, if what is meant here is one simple will - implying that Christ does not have real and perfect human will - then we too condemn this. Nevertheless, we know that as Oriental Orthodox, our Miaphysite Christology informs our understanding of the one Theandric activity in Christ Jesus our Lord. In Him is united a perfectly divine and human will, ineffably. As St Severus teaches us: "...the Logos of God has united to himself not only to the flesh but also to the soul, which is endowed with will and understanding, in order to allow our souls, which are inclined towards evil, to lean towards choosing good and turning away from evil." This union in no way erases or diminishes the very real and perfect human will that Christ assumed in order to heal (as St Gregory teaches). All this and more will be discussed in future videos.

@drkhalil8466

2 күн бұрын

Thanks Abouna. Looking forward to it. Some requests: 1) Can you please explain in the video how Agatho misinterpreted the church fathers? He had several quotes from them though I didn't see how they supported his position. 2) Define 'will' and where it comes from. If a faculty originating from the soul (per St. Severus) then doesn't two wills mean two souls? 3) St. Severus was anathematized by the non-Chal in the 3rd council at Constantinople. Yet he is the first father we commemorate in liturgy. Was his belief in one will of Christ the only reason for his excom, and where can one find his writings in English? 4) in future Abouna, please call out the erroneous ideas lest your children get confused. "We don't agree with this but will explain in another video". Consistently painting someone in good light, incl immediately after an erroneous statement gives the impression that we should agree with he said. Salam

I've discovered that most clergy who cause so much harm to the Orthodox Church are from the Eastern Orthodox, with all love and respect I say that. It's very sad. 😢

@CarolineJoyAmico

Күн бұрын

I noticed that too. I'm Coptic now, but I was EO before. I see what you mean, although they are all my brothers.

@kikikaakau-delizo8152

Күн бұрын

@@CarolineJoyAmico yes, and they all need our prayers. God bless you!

@CarolineJoyAmico

Күн бұрын

@@kikikaakau-delizo8152 God Bless you too! 🙏

Would love to see Fr. Abraham Wassef from NJ part of these discussions. I believe he would add much richness and insight to these discussions in a digestible and fitting way for the audience.

Thanks I love this KZread channel! Can you do a video on Christ’s trinity?

And yes, we do say "They are not THE Church!" on one hand, but on the other we've worn out those Father El-Anthony videos of yours. He has many secret fans in our numbers. 🤐 Let us figure this problem out!

Anyone has access to the 10 anathema’s of St. Gregory?

I am asking an Honest question here please, because i dont understand and need clarification. As regarding the producing of Saints through the Grace that is in the Church, are we saying that there are no saints in the Roman Catholic church, because it seems to me that we finds saints there too, and people of deep devotion and humility. I am only asking to understand if that understanding that only the Church produces saints could be extended to roman Catholic and probably other Heterodox circles too. Thank you

People people people you have to be very careful not to be like the protestants accepting everybody they have divided Jesus Christ in two . They say he has two natures if they are lying about Jesus Christ that is done there is no debate. The Coptic side is saying oh we are the same the other side is saying no you're wrong That's how you should be talking to people who are missing up you have to tell them you are wrong we are not the same and you should correct your errors.

Fathers, can we get a detailed discussion on the teachings of Severus of Antioch, because some Chalcedonians claim that his theology leads to nominalism and tritheism. Thank you

In the Eastern Orthodox view they can never go back on a previous council and accept Chalcedon because in their understanding of ecclesiology and the Church, the Holy Synod is infallible and cannot make mistakes. Therefore to go back on something said previously, would prove this aspect to be false.

@DMCRPF

2 күн бұрын

like 3rd council of Constantinople in which Severus and the Oriental Orthodox as a whole were further anathematized for believing Christ has one will. At 40:59 the scholar that is being puffed up in this video called us heretics and was not called out. I hope Abouna will respond.

We have to see diverse Orthodoxy

Abouna I have a question. I am a Syriac Orthodox. The closest church in reasonable distance is Antioch Orthodox. Can I take communion because I remember reading about an agreement but I would just like to know. Thanks Abouna

@CarolineJoyAmico

Күн бұрын

I am now Coptic. I was EO. My Godfather is EO, Antiochian. And he communed copts. But then I moved to an OCA church with a priest who wouldn't do it. It seems to be up to each priest. I love being Coptic. So much love!

I think you all open the door and these podcasts should continue weekly or by weekly. It should also include scholars from all oriental( 8:37 Armenia 🇦🇲 , Syria 🇸🇾, India 🇮🇳, Ethiopia 🇪🇹 Eritrea 🇪🇷 England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 and others )churches. We stand still and never change for over 2000 years. Wow I think the spirit of God is speaking through you all! I think as Ethiopian orthodox Christian I totally agree it’s okay to have diversity! Diversity is not division! Evan though we have almost no difference with Catholic and Easter Orthodox but 1500 years separation is not easy to reconcile in a day or year or decade we should not rush or force union with them.

51:10 thank you, Father for correctly titling Leo I as Archbishop of Rome, which is what he was called then. I hope all of us can refer to our fathers Pope St. Athanasius, Pope St. Cyril, and Pope St. Dioscorus with their correct titles when having these discussions - the archbishops of Alexandria were called Pope from the second century, long before the archbishops of Rome were. In fact, even in the edict of Thessaloniki, the latter was referred to as Pontifex (priest, per the old Roman usage).

That priest's inflammatory language is not uncommon among other Chalcedonian clergy; at least, not uncommon among those online. Many even insist that we are saying two very different things, and they may very well be right. For where in the Scriptures is Dualism taught? that Christ has two independently acting wills, as Leo taught. Does this doctrine of a dualistic Christ have any place in Christianity?

@MinaDKSBMSB

3 күн бұрын

James 1:8 "he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways"

@franthonymourad5870

3 күн бұрын

@Troy-Moses Thank you for that comment. The question of "are we saying the same thing" will indeed be investigated further in future videos. Today, we may very well have the same chriatilogical goals, but we go about expressing them differently. But was the case in the 5th and 6th century?...We're we just saying the same thing?... more to come on that. Stay tuned.

@kmj2000

3 күн бұрын

@@franthonymourad5870 The full context (James 1: 5-8) is "5 If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him. 6 But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind. 7 For let not that man suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord; 8 he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways." It has nothing to do with Christology, but with faith and doubt.

Why are you showing other drs or professors . Are they Oriental Orthodox if not i dont want to learn from them about what My religion is about

That's the position of the councils regardless of scholars. Must correct confession

@MinaDKSBMSB

3 күн бұрын

Agreed. Constantinople II tried to correct the false confession made at Chalcedon but failed.

@Dlee-eo5vv

3 күн бұрын

@@MinaDKSBMSB that's called revision.

@MinaDKSBMSB

3 күн бұрын

@@Dlee-eo5vv the Holy Spirit doesn't need revision of previous lies. He only speaks truth in His church.

Some people, including so-called church leaders, actually WANT the division of Christ's Body to continue. This is what the devil wants and IT MUST STOP! It's ego and pride that fuels this and unbelievers see it and it's a stumbling block.

Bookmark 45:00

Is it truly humble to assert that modern scholars know better than the unanimous voices of Saints and Councils for over a thousand years?

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9:15 who are you to say we are one with Eastern Orthodox. saint dioscorus didn't say we are one. You need to ask the holy Spirit.

@MinaDKSBMSB

3 күн бұрын

Abouna is correct in his statement. What we have to be careful with is how the Holy Spirit is working in the Byzantines, Latin, or any other tradition outside of the Church. For example, in Acts 10:19 the Holy Spirit tells St. Peter that there are 3 men looking for him. The Holy Spirit was with these men and working in them to bring them to the Church before they received the mysteries. It is appropriate to say that the Holy Spirit works in their traditions at this level to point them to the truth. The church is here when they are ready to conform and, indeed, modify their erroneous declarations of faith (faith they had to fix or revise because of errors they made previously as in the example of the three chapters) to comply with that of the first three ecumenical councils and Holy Spirit breathed Scripture.

@franthonymourad5870

3 күн бұрын

​@MinaDKSBMSB well said Mina!

@idontknowname-rl8yb

3 күн бұрын

​The guy is saying that the spirit is the same it can't be the same if they are saying Jesus Christ has two natures . . There's only one truth. He is trying to sound loving and caring. How did he judge that their spirit is the same. If you divide Christ in two you are wrong it's simple as that. ​@@MinaDKSBMSB

@MinaDKSBMSB

3 күн бұрын

@@idontknowname-rl8yb that's not what his reverence stated. He stated that the Holy Spirit is One and the same who works. He is the same Spirit who even works in atheists and pagans to point them to the truth as shown in that passage in Acts 10. Another example is when St. Paul baptized the Ephesian church. Do we equate the Ephesian church to atheists or pagans before St. Paul gave them the mysteries? No, there was a certain level of work the Holy Spirit graced them with even before St. Paul gave them the fullness of the grace. The same thing is what we see in those three people brought to St. Peter. Also, I ask that you maintain respect for the great amount of grace Abouna is giving the Byzantines in his indeed generous, but nonetheless true, statement. None of these fathers deny that we have the fullness of the Spirit of truth in our tradition. It is beyond clear.

@idontknowname-rl8yb

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​@@MinaDKSBMSB1:17:19 is there anything impossible for the holy Spirit or God ? . Both side . Is he the middle guy . There is wrong and there is right. This is about the nature of Jesus Christ. God died for us . He can't be dividing him into two.

You said near the end that the thing Fr John M said that you found so deeply hurtful, offensive, and harmful to the Body of Christ…is also said by Oriental Orthodox about the Eastern Orthodox, namely that they are incorrect, in darkness in some sense and not fully the Church. So there are people in both “church families” believe that the others are in the wrong. Would you make a video to correct an Oriental Orthodox priest who teaches that the Eastern Orthodox are wrong? If so, than I think you would be fair- minded. But if you don’t, not so much. So what do you four actually believe? A) the Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox are both fully Orthodox and fully the Body of Christ (as the Eastern Orthodox professors in your video seem to believe) Or B) the Oriental Orthodox is more correct than the Eastern Orthodox ? I suspect Fr Anthony you believe the latter, based on a comment you made here. If so, than how are you different from Fr John M, except that he said it plainly and honestly (and with no malice)? Please clarify your beliefs in future videos. May the dialogue continue, and deeper friendships among us form by God’s grace and to His glory

@franthonymourad5870

2 күн бұрын

Thank you for your question, dear brother. I can not speak for my fathers on the panel, but I will share my position, which I believe is a middle ground between the options you offered. To be clear, I will always choose the Oriental Orthodox perspective and expression of the faith. I assume this comes as no surprise to anyone because, after all, I chose to devote my life to the service of this, my beloved Coptic Orthodox Church. This, however, does not translate in any way to any animosity or condescending view towards my brothers and sisters in the Chalcedonian churches. From my very limited knowledge, I believe in my heart of hearts that in today's modern dialogue, both families of Churches "WANT" many of the same things. For instance, we want to defend and clearly teach the following: 1. We want to ensure that no one confesses two persons in Christ. There are not two sons, rather One Incarnate Word and Eternal Son of God. 2. We want to ensure that it is clear that this One Son is perfectly divine and perfectly human - the God-Man, Jesus Christ - inseparable, without change, and this is an ineffable mystery. 3. His humanity - including a real human will - was not swallowed up by his divinity. In Him was no confusion, mingling, or alteration. 4. This One Lord Jesus Christ whom we confess in our Creed, is consubstantial with us and consubstantial with the Father. 5. We both want to faithfully denounce Apollinarianism, Adoptionism, Nestorianism, Monophysitism, etc. And many other important points that I am sure could be enumerated and discussed at length... All this being said, I believe our common desire - what we WANT - is the common ground we must recognize in each other for the sake of dialoguing towards union. Now, in regards to how we express ourselves and explain "what we want," this is where conflict can and often arises. We do not agree on how best to express these truths that we both deeply desire to defend. What makes this even more complicated is that there is a long and painful history that we do not interpret in the same way that has major implications on how we express the faith we both have. So, to be clear yet again, I do not deny that there are indeed important differences that must be discussed among our Theologians. I also don't sweep these differences under the rug as if it's only a matter of semantics because, as I have said, history and theology are interpreted through language. To diminish the importance of our expressions is to potentially do harm to our faith - which should never be considered as the truth above all else matters to the Church. Semantics does indeed play a role in the conflict, but it is far more complicated than "mere words"... At a personal level, I believe the Holy Spirit is at work in both families. I believe that divine grace is accessible in both families. I believe both families are producing faithful disciples and saints for the kingdom of God. I believe all this… while simultaneously believing that the "fullness of the truth" is perfectly expressed and preserved in the Oriental Orthodox Church. I pray this offends no one, but nevertheless, this is my conviction. As you said, may the Lord continue to guide and guard all his children and lead us to union with Him and with each other.

Sorry but fr John didn't say anything incorrect. Being one of the first major splits in the early church is difficult to reconcile unless you denounce the errors which made you excommed in the first place. Upholding the true faith and apostolic succession is essential because christ hasn't changed and never will, he is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. Not believing in the ecumenical council , who had the infallibility of the holy spirit isn't something that can be taken lightly. We pray for your reconcile.

@themoseschannel5951

3 күн бұрын

Yes, rejecting a holy council is a big deal. Yet, the Byzantine Orthodox Church rejects Ephesus II (449 AD). The whole first session of Chalcedon is all about rejecting this holy council.

@franthonymourad5870

3 күн бұрын

@Fac35437 Indeed recognition of the Holy Councils is of immense importance. We agree with that so much, that this is precisely why we, the Oriental Orthodox, could not reconcile what was being exclaimed at Chalcedon. To us, the formula demanded at Chalcedon could not be reconciled to the very clear Miaphysite teachings of the Holy Fathers at Ephesus. And when being confronted with that reality, we could not accept the Chalcedonian expression of Christology. Now if you feel that this doesn't make sense to you, can I suggest that you futher investigate these claims by reading the acts of Ephesus 431? You will see that the teachings of St Cyril andSt Theodtus and others all point to the churches belief was always miaphysitism. Please consider reading these acts so you can have a more accurate picture of our interpretation of Church history.

@kmj2000

3 күн бұрын

He did. He said a lot of incorrect things, even I could point them out as a Catholic.

@hermonymusofsparta

3 күн бұрын

The early ecumenical councils were political tools used by Roman Emperors who were more interested in unity than doctrine. Constantinus betrayed the bishops for arguing over unscriptural terms (substance). The outcomes of the councils were preset by the Emperor by picking the Bishops he wanted and setting the ratio. They were rigged essentially, and don't have apostolic succession or the Holy Spirit.

@MinaDKSBMSB

3 күн бұрын

Chalcedon isn’t a church council. Why did the next gathering condemn actions they did in Chalcedon that were already done by the Holy Spirit and the church in Ephesus II? You are accepting a big contradiction. That tradition is clearly broken and violates everything you think you are upholding in your comment.

The bigger bald priest, while referring to the EO Church as our family and asserting that the guiding Spirit for both churches (OO & EO) is the same, fails to acknowledge that all of EO consider the OO as heretics due to differences in Christology. Additionally, the slim bald priest, in discussing diversity, uses the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahido Church (EOTC) as an example, seemingly implying that the EOTC differs from the Coptic OO Church in a manner similar to the EO. Both priests' statements are embarrassing and reflect poorly on our faith. Furthermore, when questioned about the distinctions b/n the OO and EO traditions, all members of the panel displayed a lack of conviction and resorted to evasive responses. *_Such a lack of faith and feeble behavior only serves to strengthen the EO's misconceptions, leading them to openly and consistently hammer the entire OO family as heretics -- the EO have little to no respect for our tradition._* However, I'll confess the truth --- At the Council of Chalcedon, the EO fathers deviated from the teachings of the pre-451 Church Fathers, such as St. Cyril the great, the two St. Gregories, St. Ephrem, St. Hilary,...etc., who advocated for the "One Nature of God the Word Incarnate" and instead, they adopted Leo's formula of Two natures following the union. *_In accepting the heretic Leo's Tome which says, "Christ is two: God and man, the One astonished us with miracles and the other received disgrace and suffering," thereby emphasizing a divine nature performing its functions and a human nature fulfilling its role in Two natures, the EO persisted to this day in the heresy of Dyophysitism Christology._* In defense of the OO's church, I'll quote a few pre-451 Church Fathers:- ✝St. Cyril of Alexandria: - After The union has occurred, however, *_we do not divide the Natures from one another, nor do we sever the One and Indivisible into two Sons, but we say that there is One Son, and as the holy Fathers have stated, "One Incarnate Nature of The Word"_* [First letter to Succensus] ✝St. Cyril of Alexandria: - So just as everything is spoken of the One person, *_for One Nature is recognized as existing after the union namely that of the Word Incarnate._* [Second Tome against Nestorius] ✝St. Cyril of Alexandria: - So, if we talk of a union, we confess it to be between flesh endowed with a rational soul and the Word; and those who speak of “two natures” understand it in this way. However, *_once we have confessed the union, the things that have been united are no longer separated from one another but are thereafter One Son; and One is His Nature since the Word has been made flesh._* [Letter to Eulogius] ✝St. Cyril of Alexandria: - Surely, it is beyond dispute that the Only-Begotten, being by Nature God became man by a genuine union, in a manner beyond explanation or understanding. *_For as soon as this union has taken place, there is A single nature presented to our minds, the Incarnate Nature of The Word Himself._* [Against Nestorius 2.(Preface)] ✝St. Ephrem the Syrian: - *_Though your nature is One, its interpretations are many._* There are narratives exalted, intermediate, and lowly. [Hymns on Faith 10:3] ✝St. Ephrem the Syrian: - *_Glorious is the Wise One Who allied and joined Divinity with humanity, one from the height and the other from the depth. He mingled (united) the Natures like pigments and an image (One Nature) came into being: the God-Man._* [Hymns on Incarnation 8:2] ✝St. Gregory of Nazianzus: - To sum up the matter: there are two separate elements of which the Savior is composed (the invisible is not identical with the visible or the timeless with the temporal), but there are not two separate beings; emphatically not. *_Both elements (Natures) are blended (united) into One, the Divinity taking on Humanity, the Humanity receiving Divinity._* [Letter 101.5-6, to Cledonius.] ✝St. Gregory of Nazianzus: - ... *_He is not two Persons, God forbid! For both Natures are One by the combination (unity), the Deity being made Man, and the Manhood deified or however one should express it._* [To Cledonius the Priest Against Apollinarius. (Ep. CI.)] ✝St. Gregory of Nyssa: - So how could the unity be separated into a duality, since *_no numerical distinction can be made?_* [Letter to St. Theophilus of Alexandria] ✝St. Hilary of Poitiers: - We have Christ working in Himself the very things which God works in Him, for *_it was Christ who died, stripping from Himself His flesh…it was none other who raised Christ from the dead but Christ Himself._* [Book IX On the Trinity]. Leo of Chalcedon (EO) on the other hand presents a division within Christ depicting one aspect of Christ performing awe-inspiring miracles such as raising the dead while another aspect endures suffering and humiliation. ✝St. Hilary of Poitiers states: -Thus, *_God was born to take us into Himself, suffered to justify us, and died to avenge us…, God had assumed our weakness... God chose to die of His own will…. since God died through the flesh._* [Book IX On the Trinity]. Leo of Chalcedon (EO) expressed the notion that Christ the man was born, suffered, and died. Although the acts of being born, suffering, and dying are intrinsic to flesh, St. Hilary attributed them to God, recognizing that the flesh of Jesus Christ is none other than the flesh of God the Son in One Incarnate Nature. *_The OO and EO Churches are fundamentally distinct, and given the significant Christological differences, achieving unity between the two is impossible. Unfortunately, almost every Coptic OO monk and priest have developed a habit of downplaying the differences b/n the EO and OO, which greatly serves to confuse the OO laity. The Coptic OO's approach to seeking ecumenism with the EO and Roman Catholic Church is concerning, as it ultimately lead to a denial of our Church Fathers' teachings and a compromise of our established dogma, potentially resulting in a fracturing of our faith._* FYI - I'm a proud Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahido faithful and since my childhood, our revered saintly monks have instilled in me the belief that Leo of Rome is a heretic - it is disheartening to observe that none of the OO priests in this panel had the courage to address this issue, while rightfully criticizing Eutychus as a heretic on multiple occasions.

@MinaDKSBMSB

5 сағат бұрын

Brother, when St. Cyril began addressing the Nestorian controversy, he wrote to his monks confirming them in the use of the title Theotokos without calling Nestorius a heretic. Nestorius at this point had accepted the condemnation of the “theotokos” title and had made erroneous declarations about the nature of Christ. When St. Cyril writes to Nestorius, he calls him brother and he gives him his titles befitting the bishopric. Even at the council of Ephesus I they speak of Nestorius with his honorific titles up until the point he is anathematized. Your tone and addressing of these holy fathers is unacceptable and requires revision. While your message is indeed orthodox, this tone and insulting address of the fathers is unbefitting of the Holy Spirit that is in you.

@yenenehw

42 минут бұрын

@@MinaDKSBMSB Are you upset about my addressing of Leo and Nestorius, or the Coptic OO priests on the panel? If you’re an EO and feel uneasy regarding my remarks about Leo and Nestorius, I regret to inform you that I’ll not retract my perspective. However, if your concern relates to my critical assessment of the Coptic OO priests - I get it brother. Yeah, I may have been somewhat extreme in my approach, but I had specific reasons for doing so. Allow me to explain - over the past few years, I’ve noticed a growing discontent within Ethiopian community here in the USA, with some doubting the OO tradition. Others even compare and question the devotion of our saintly hermits in the caves and monasteries of Ethiopia in comparison to the inhabitants of EO monks in Mount Athos - the sad part is that none even attempted to visit the caves and desert dwellers of the Ethiopian hermits. I don’t intend to show disrespect to anyone at Mount Athos, but the Ethiopian hermits are exceptional. For instance, my spiritual father has dedicated himself to praying outdoors, from dusk till dawn, completely naked except for his undergarments, with his legs (knee down) submerged in water, for an impressive 25 years. I have also had the privilege of encountering a monk who has kept a stone in his mouth for 30 years, speaking not a single word, removing it only to consume food and partake in communion, following the example of St. Abba Agathon of Scetis. So knowing these facts you may understand my sentiments when my OO tradition and the virtues of my saintly fathers are questioned by fellow OO brothers and sisters who are inclined to the EO tradition. I was never much of a social media enthusiast, but I learned that my brothers and sisters have been heavily influenced by KZread, Twitter and TikTok content that disparages the OO tradition, disseminated by EO priests and monks. Furthermore, I learned that the feeble and timid response of the Coptic OO priests in addressing these issues has resulted in a loss of faith among my brothers and sisters. Consequently, I became actively involved and began to hammer the EO hard while mildly reprimanding the weak and shy-girl approach of the Coptic OO priests. You see, the EO perceive the feebleness of the Coptic OO priests as a Christological vulnerability and emboldened by it, they continue to address us as heretics without shame in every KZread content they dish out. Consequently, OO brothers and sisters who are not firmly grounded in their Christology observe the weak response of the Coptic OO priests and begin to entertain doubts about our tradition, allowing uncertainty to seep into their hearts. Have you noticed? Instead of finishing strong, the priest towards the end this content nearly shed tears while addressing the EO priest who labeled us as heretics, essentially begging for acceptance. Regardless of one's perspective, this demonstrates a lack of confidence and faith. When will these Coptic priests accept the truth? It is clear that we can never achieve unity unless one of us renounces our Christology - it is important to acknowledge that the EO will never accept the "One Nature" formula. Furthermore they’ll never abandon anathematizing the esteemed St. Severus, St. Dioscorus, and St. Philoxenus and during each mass. So what is the point of bending backward for acceptance at the expense of losing our faithful? Observe how the EO priests and monks exude confidence and assurance in their Christology. It is crucial that we remain resolute in our Christology and work towards the preservation of our brothers and sisters. If anyone want to observe the fullness of faith in the OO church then one should visit the caves and remote monasteries of Ethiopia to witness the extreme ascetic practices, unwavering pursuit of spiritual perfection encompassing complete detachment from worldly desires, engagement in solitude, rigorous fasting, prayer, and self-discipline-characteristics reminiscent of the asceticism of the early desert Fathers of Egypt.

would love to see a debate with @therealMedWhite

@granthillman4998

3 күн бұрын

David Erhan has already been debated by Subdeacon Daniel Kakish (check out his KZread channel, the Lion's Den) and every single claim he and his EO clan have trotted out against us OOs over the past several years has been thoroughly debunked at this point. Definitely check out the recent series Sam Shamoun did with Lion's Den on his channel regarding the differences between Ephesus (431) and Chalcedon (451), and also other videos exposing the Nestorianism of Pope Leo.

@wedi-set577

3 күн бұрын

No debate, discussion!

@majesticrainmaker1460

3 күн бұрын

Daniel Kakish already made that, watch it, Check Lion's Den

@franthonymourad5870

3 күн бұрын

​@@majesticrainmaker1460Daniel and the crew are wonderful. God bless their work

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