Unboxing of the same excavator - kzread.info/dash/bejne/Z4F9wbKogq2zlco.html

Thanks for sharing your experience and hidden costs. Looking forward to seeing video of your machine.

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

Good news! The follow-up video is here :) kzread.info/dash/bejne/Z4F9wbKogq2zlco.html

I own a 32 piece heavy equipment company, machines that range from 2T to 45T excavators, dozers and backhoes. Been at it for two decades. Four years ago, my company was engaged by two Chinese companies to use and review their mini (2.5T) and mid size (10T) excavators, I put three into use for six months. All of this in exchange for real world reviews. I found that each were what I’d consider medium duty. Unlike major brands, I use Caterpillar almost exclusively, the power and pivot points of the Chinese machines were insufficient. Although the price of these units was a fourth of what the majors get, they were not able to do the same task. Wear and tear was an issue, the Chinese units required at least twice the upkeep. So, you get what you pay for, as always. I alway recommend to the inexperienced to rent first. You’ll quickly and painlessly learn exactly the size and configuration of the machine you need. Then, you can do a cost breakdown. A majority of the time a person will quickly summarize that renting is the best option. My conclusion on the Chinese units. They are over rated in digging force, stability and endurance. The engines and hydraulics are adequate but under heavy loads they don’t support the ratings. For light digging, they are fine. Hard soils, heavy boulders or stumps, not so. A comparable major brand will vastly out perform. I’d suspect we will see several of the Chinese units flood the market in the years to come, and they will eventually be sold used. That is where the cautious buyer will get the steep bargains without the shipping costs, delays and hassles.

@lazerusmfh

Жыл бұрын

Under rated comment

@antonsjoberg

Жыл бұрын

There is the name brands in China which would be equivalent to Caterpillar think Sany etc, these Alibaba brands are mostly just trading companies and their machines are not up to the task and you will be over-paying. A Chinese operator knowing the real price of these though he would never buy them would laugh.

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

I hope it will hold up to digging my ditches for Geothermal loops, French drains, and moving logs. So far, so good.

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Very detailed and insightful.

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

So far so good, but I am only 25 hours of operation in.

Thanks for the full run down on costs. Good to know about all the other pieces/parts!

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

You bet!

Wow! What a process. I hope it is all worth it in the end. Thank you.

@einarmikkelsenPNW

10 ай бұрын

It was!

I have looked a long time for this kind of useful information on KZread. Thank you very much.

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Ай бұрын

You are welcome. I am kist now releasing my 150 hour follow up. Make sure to watch it before you order.

The machine looks great, congrats on getting the right machine🎉

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Here is the unboxing video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/Z4F9wbKogq2zlco.html

It actually arrived, incredible you are lucky!

@einarmikkelsenPNW

9 ай бұрын

I purchased from a company that had been in business for a long time.

This is an interesting perspective. Here in Florida, I could hit a few local auctions and get a banging deal on an excavator like that or larger. (or even shop the local used market). It is not unheard of in this area to score a piece of equipment with similar specs, or better than the chinese unit, for around $10,000. All those taxes, unexpected fees, and paperwork would've been a test of my willpower lol.

@natebenefield738

Жыл бұрын

where are you seeing these deals? I've looked and looked and I can't find anything under 30k that isn't beaten to heck

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

$10k would be amazing 🤩 I can't find anything close to that here in the Seattle area.

@themetalfusionologist

Жыл бұрын

I see a lot of guys arguing the “you can find one local for less”, I’m in SC, and while this area has tons of construction happening, that also opens good deals on equipment. Definitely won’t find one half the cost, but could possibly find one used, but a tad bigger, enclosed cab, etc for around the same price after all the “fine print” fees. Those import brokers on our end are literally screwing people bc they know they can & there’s nothing anyone can do bc they’re a necessity to get your goods in. Anyway, I like the idea of a new machine for the price, but damn that’s a lot of headache

@freddyf530

Жыл бұрын

@@themetalfusionologist I hadn't yet verified my account at the time i made that comment, so i think my replies were removed for that reason, but i found a machine local to NE FL for $10k with near identical specs to the one in this video, and it was a 2023 model. It's definitely regional, and its definitely rare. But it is entirely possible.

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

@@themetalfusionologist Thanks for your support. It was a long process, but I did enjoy learning something new.

I'm a licensed customs broker (LCB). Your forwarder was merciful. I usually charged $1,200 for a single entry bond, and his entry fee of only $140 was reasonable. That said, a third of his charges are what we called 'fillers', and explains why his entry fee was so bad. If I had a half million I'd probably get my port license somewhere and start bringing these little guys in. With my own truck and a couple guys I could retail those excavators for about $20k.

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for that insight. That would be a good business. I plan on buying a planet/moulder for all the wood that I am having milled these days. What would be the most efficient way of importing this while missing the fillers? The fuel surcharge was the worst.

@LordFalconsword

Жыл бұрын

@@einarmikkelsenPNW Sadly the fuel surcharge is beyond your ability to avoid. The best way to mitigate is if you had an FCL (full container load). Your excavator came LCL (less than container load) and that's why they dogpiled on you. The forwarder and their overseas agent contract with a steamship line for a full container and then fill it with lots of small loads. They likely have dozens or hundreds of containers like this every week. They get a discounted rate on that margin and make more profit by charging large fuel surcharges to each consolidator down the road. If you want to do this going forward (not a one-off) your best bet is to find a freight forwarder, explain you're building a business, and start negotiating space on a regular basis. If you stay with one-off, you have limited options. Sorry.

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

@@LordFalconsword thank you so much for the detailed explanation.

@alb2571

7 ай бұрын

@LordFalconsword thank you for all 5hat insight man, you'll get an imports partner soon

Thanks for putting this video up. Makes my decision easier!

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Ай бұрын

You are welcome. If you haven't ordered yet, watch my last video about 150 hours of operations update. It includes things I wish I had asked for.

Looks great. Thanks for sharing. That’s a great size and much better than the smaller cheaper ones. That’s a good price overall

@einarmikkelsenPNW

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching! I appreciate it

I have been thinking of doing the same as for for a while but I was scared to order from china. Thank you for making such an informative video. This is very well put together. Gives me some more data points to order local or from china.

@user-me4dl3qe2i

Жыл бұрын

Are you interested in mini excavators? I am the supplier of the excavator in the video

@user-ew2gg3so9z

Жыл бұрын

Hello friend, have a good day, this is Denny the sales manager of Rippa, a professoional excavator manufacturer since 2014, we can supply many models excavator. Tell us what we can assist you.

@mad151maxx4

Жыл бұрын

​@郭晓东 I'm thinking of purchasing one, I have order several things from ALIBABA, with really no issues when did my connect was awsome both times. BUT IM WORRIED about extra fees. Everything I order I get CIF CASH,INSURANCE, FRIEIGHT SO I just pay to my door. But never got something this heavy. Would love to talk. I want to purchase by end of year. Thx if can help

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

Glad I could help!

@portlandlocalchurch8168

11 ай бұрын

​@@einarmikkelsenPNWso this was a diesel powered unit? What size engine? 3cyl? 23hp?

great video. thank you

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Ай бұрын

Thank you

Thanks for making us aware of all the hidden costs. I was interested in getting one of these but the extra cost makes it out of budget.

@einarmikkelsenPNW

4 ай бұрын

Glad I could help!

The real issue is the depreciation of it which will be drastic. I would be curious to know the hours used at the end of the build and wonder if they would have been better off just renting as needed. Obviously renting has the issues of not having the exact time you need it but you don’t have to worry about breaking, storing it (long term) and maintenance.

@einarmikkelsenPNW

10 ай бұрын

I use it every week so rental is not an option for me b

@smurface549

9 ай бұрын

Renting is great if you have a short, single project where you have a pretty good understanding of what's to be done and how long it takes. On the other hand, if you own the machine, you're gonna find many uses for it where you would never consider renting due to cost and effort. Of course it depends a little on the machine type, but e.g. I own a backhoe loader. I'd never rent any large equipment for removing snow from my property for an hour every two weeks. But still it saves my back a couple times every winter and makes things possible. Or at this time of the year (northern Europe) there's not a lot of daylight to make use of, and it's getting worse. So removing tree stumps is pretty much one or two a day. I certainly won't rent a machine for two weeks just to have it sitting on my yard 23 hours a day and get charged like I'd use it around the clock. With owning there's obviously a large upfront payment before you get to even use the machine, the ongoing maintenance fees, and all the headache you get when a hydraulic hose blows or a mechanical part breaks. It's not a solution for everyone and every project. But if you have longer lasting work and the occasional project coming in, there's pretty much no alternative. As always, pick wisely and don't do a gut decision.

Yeah with all the fees and stuff I think it would be better just to buy locally. I'm sure you get a lightly used Kubota with similar specifications for that amount of money or maybe even less.

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

It is hard to know all the costs right off the bat.

@DoRC

Жыл бұрын

@@einarmikkelsenPNW Yeah for sure. I wouldn't have guessed that it would cost that much more on the back end

If you can unload yourself...ddp is usually cheaper..with ddp you know before your finish the order what your total cost will be. The only other fee you will need to pay with ddp, is generally the rental of a fork lift to unload your shipment..the con of ddp is that you need to pay in full before or when the product ships. It sounds like you did CIF. CiF is good because you have time to pay the duties and agents fees so that could give you another.30 days or more until you need to pay the 25% duty ..however as you learned you never know what the port is going to charge- they come up with new fees while you are waiting

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

I will keep this in mind when I buy a wood planing and molding machine in about a year.

Very informative, will likely make decisions accordingly

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Ай бұрын

You are welcome. If you haven't ordered yet, watch my last video about 150 hours of operations update. It includes things I wish I had asked for.

Hi, bro, thank you so much for your video. It is really interesting.

@einarmikkelsenPNW

4 ай бұрын

Glad you liked it

Thanks for this. I always wondered. Now I know it’s an awful experience and stupid costs involved to even get it to your door.

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't say all that. I enjoyed it. You just have to know what to expect and what to bring.

"the process was pretty straightforward" good god. you could probably start a business importing these things and handling all that. I wouldn't go near something like this. I have a hard enough time buying local things and having a successful outcome. Time is precious as well. My mind keeps wandering back to buying straight from china but in the end I always just go looking through the used machinery listings

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

It really wasn't that bad. The import paperwork was the worst.

@benchoflemons398

Жыл бұрын

Some people do have a business importing them and re-branding them

@mauricetanquary2431

10 ай бұрын

@@einarmikkelsenPNW Would you be interested in being a middle man for people looking to buy these equipment? Do all the import stuff, tack on a percentage for yourself, and let the buyer pick up the item at your yard?

It always comes as a shock to first time buyers on Alibaba about just how many hidden charges and taxes are involved in getting the product to them. You'd think shipping would be as easy as using a courier but there's about 20 different companies involved in one shipment and it's near impossible to coordinate unless you are a forwarding agent. It still all works out cheaper than buying domestic over all.

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Ай бұрын

I wanted everyone to see the hidden fees.

Thanks for posting this Einar, it's great to have all the (inflated) fees exposed that are associated with importing products. Did you find any opportunity for negotiating the fees? Are there any that could be worked around or avoided using different tactics?

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

There were no opportunities to negotiate. However, the smallest fees for oversize shipment would have been avoided by not having the enclosed cab. Because it was too tall for one crate, it had to be removed and shipped separately.

@oersson

7 ай бұрын

I have heard that shipping to your door can work well. AND maybe avoid rip-off port fees. I'll be importing a 1T all electric lithium 15kwh mini soon. With 10 attachments runs about $9K in Shandong China. Wondering how much shipping customs and fees will run. Based on this fantastic video (thanks Einer!) I can realistically estimate 50% additional coming to $13.5k. Unfortunately haven't seen any electrics in USA yet. Seems pretty cutting edge still. But let's face it: fossil fuel engines with all their fluids and fumes can be a nightmare. I'll be contacting the port of Portland about door to door service.

@tracy419

3 ай бұрын

​@@oerssonhow far along are you in getting the electric version? Any details to offer? I'd love an electric one.

Curious if after this process and cash-out cost, if you did this again, would you buy a kubota zero down, zero interest and use it until you were done and re sell it?

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

That could be a very good option. I will sell mine once I am done building the house and the garage. I'll let you know once I see the resell value :)

Congrats ,I want to thank you for posting this video as a lot of people have learned from it .I am in the market also for a miniex but I see at auctions all over US for example a agrotk nt30 or nt45 which are a bit bigger than yours and go for even 11000$plus auction fees ,and are brand new 0 hrs.Were you not aware of it at the time ?Also I am also european but live in Texas and want to import a full container in houston with construction materials,the question is :the 25% is only for china imports?or from EU also?Thank you again

@einarmikkelsenPNW

11 ай бұрын

Thank you for the kind words. I believe it is a tax on China only. I haven't looked into what it is from Europe.

Thanks for the informative video, Einar! I feel like talking to a historian. I might have missed it, but were you ever asked about EPA certification on the engine emission from customs?

@einarmikkelsenPNW

7 ай бұрын

Yes, the certificate was required for the import documents.

Haha you said the process is straight forward. Straight forward for smart people with money. I’m not a smart people, nor do I have a lot of money.

@einarmikkelsenPNW

8 ай бұрын

Hahaha 🤣 It was cheaper than buying a new one here. Yes, the paperwork ended up being a lot, but I got there in the end.

5 year old used minis go for about $5k in Seattle, name brand with support and available parts

@einarmikkelsenPNW

8 ай бұрын

Where? Send me to the place where I can buy those.

@oersson

7 ай бұрын

Ditto have not seen anything like that. But maybe I'm just ignorant. Please share your links!

in Europe, I paid 27k for new kubota 1.9t, 3 hours on it.

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

Congrats! I hope you love it.

I thought the 25% import duty was aimed at chinese products. Since Yanmar is Japanese, were you able to exclude the cost of the engine from duty?

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

The 25% is for the Chinese market, but they can't take the price of the Japanese engine out of the total. That would have been nice.

Thanks for this, 9k in junk fees on a 17500 purchase, or roughly 51% of the cost of the unit! That's pretty steep.

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

I agree!

I see lots of brand new mini excavators on auctions here in California. People think they are getting a good deal while they still overpay.

@einarmikkelsenPNW

10 ай бұрын

How much do they go for?

Good luck finding parts

@einarmikkelsenPNW

2 күн бұрын

I have had to replace a few parts. Amazon for o-rings and a local supplier for other items. Everything is off the shelf. No parts that are John Deere only.

Thank you for answering the question. What does it really cost? Too much.

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

...or at least a lot more than the price listed.

Watching this is just like watching Donut Media’s Chang Li import video, but with extra zeroes added to the end. Those taxes and fees are a killer, geez. Also, you should pin a comment with a link to the follow-up so more people see it

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

Good idea. I am new to KZread, so I appreciate the help.

Ya i bought a forestry mulcher and i didnt know about getting a broker and paying extra fees and the doc fees and all that its crazy be nice if it can all be done threw one person or a better way and telling the person befor buying but they dont care

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Ай бұрын

Yes. I agree.

Agrotic Industiries is now in USA Chicago $6000 warranty and part But unfortunately they dont make bigger mini ex

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Ай бұрын

Got it

Neat video. 3 months, twice as much as the "sticker" price. Good to know!

@einarmikkelsenPNW

20 күн бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Very easy to unintentionally flip these over😬! New ones sell for around 3500us - 4500us plus buyer fees at auctions in my area. I would buy one for occasional work around the property.

@einarmikkelsenPNW

9 ай бұрын

Where do you live? I would buy more for that price!

@_Keto_Diet

9 ай бұрын

@@einarmikkelsenPNW Sorry. I don't share that but Google search would be a way to find such auctions. There's auction result websites that will list many auctions with results.

@ThirteenTwentyRepair

7 ай бұрын

@@einarmikkelsenPNWI agree that price is cheap !! I’m in an expensive part of CA and see these locally new for between $6900-15,000. Of course I would save a lot not having to import it. I appreciate your honesty in the hidden prices, it makes me feel better about paying out 10K cash and not paying any taxes.

@einarmikkelsenPNW

7 ай бұрын

@@ThirteenTwentyRepair We don't have any of these for those prices up here, or I would have jumped on it.

@brockdelorenzo7505

4 ай бұрын

This is a 2.5. Larger than the typical cheap ones

how do you get parts for a machine like that ?

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

Most of them can be purchased locally. There are no custom parts that can't be obtained at the local farm supply store or auto supply store.

If there are these areas in the US where you can find a great deal on a excivator used or at local auctions it might be worth it to drive one back from say south carolina or Florida. Find the excavator on line and go pick it up. I doubt that the excavator police are going to check your machine out in the field to see if it is good to be used in your state as far as epa standards. You Dig!!!

@einarmikkelsenPNW

9 ай бұрын

You are not allowed to import one if it doesn't have an EPA certified engine. Mine is a Yanmar. Here in the Pacific northwest, there are no cheap excavators available. A drive diagonally across the country might be cheaper and faster than ordering from China, but it wasn't for me. I wanted that new excavator smell.

Einar, this is a great video. I am close to purchasing one myself,though only a 1.2t. I have been budgeting $1k for the misc. fees, but that fuel surcharge fee you had took my breadth away. What part of the process was that $1,184 attributed to? Thanks!

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

I have no idea what the fuel surcharge was all about. It was charged by Carotrans, which dealt with the handling here in Seattle.

@jaylast1958

9 ай бұрын

On things like this you might want to figure about 50% over their price for shipping and duty/customs.

i picked up a old 215 cat for 27 grand , half a hour away . 500 dollar to bring home it has gravel and landscaping bucket..

@einarmikkelsenPNW

6 ай бұрын

That is a good deal!

Einar Mikkelsen sounds like a swedish name or northern european name, great video btw. Good choice with the yanmar engine.

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

Thanks. I was born and raised in Norway.

Thanks for the honesty,, that will take you far in life.

@einarmikkelsenPNW

7 ай бұрын

You bet

Good ol uncle Sam taxing us to death on other people's items

@BrewingViking

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it is to protect the domestic producers. Too complicated and deep for me :)

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

I have since looked for Japanese companies to get around the import tax that was placed on China a few years back. What I found was that the majority of the large Japanese companies had their manufacturing in China, just like US companies are producing their phones, trucks, and much more outside the US.

@tracy419

3 ай бұрын

​@@BrewingVikingprotecting American producers by gouging American consumers 🙄😄

@einarmikkelsenPNW

3 ай бұрын

Well, yes :) @@tracy419

I think a similar size kubota is also about 26 grand.... I guess attachments are extra tho

@einarmikkelsenPNW

6 ай бұрын

Yeah

Perfect ❤

@einarmikkelsenPNW

11 ай бұрын

Thanks

All in all, what’s your total? Also would you have to pay the import tax for each unit or just the container?

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

There is a spreadsheet towards the end of the video and shows the costs. The tax was based on the purchase price.

@stoneyislandranch9783

11 ай бұрын

Same question I was wondering..

Next time request DDP sea freight shipping... Your life would have been so much easier

@einarmikkelsenPNW

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for the tip.

@oersson

7 ай бұрын

Sorry what's ddp?

@2006mrderrickh

4 ай бұрын

Ddp??

With the hidden costs, it seems to make more sense to pay a bit more and get something locally, which can also be serviced locally. Thoughts?

@einarmikkelsenPNW

4 ай бұрын

That could very well be.

Yeah, I needed one for a big project, I just rented it. They delivered it to site and they picked it up when I was done. Had it the day I needed it.

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

I need one for an extended period. I have so many projects that require an excavator. I looked into renting vs owning and would have spent about 10k renting. Plus, I have mad man points now!

Was your shipping CIF or FOB? ... Thanks

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Ай бұрын

Cif

wow $150 shipping turned into $10k real fast.

@einarmikkelsenPNW

8 ай бұрын

Yeah! How does that happen?!

Holy crow. All those extra charges. That's pushing it into the Kubota range.

@einarmikkelsenPNW

6 ай бұрын

I know, right? I do have a Yanmar engine, so that makes me feel more secure in my purchase

Divide all Chinese costs by 9 this is the exchange rate or $1.00 is equal to 9.00 for theirs.

@einarmikkelsenPNW

8 ай бұрын

Thanks

how did you get into contact with them, the communication etc ....?

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Ай бұрын

Alibaba

26k you can get a nice used bobcat for that wow

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

...or 26 weeks of rental. So many ways to go.

Turned out to be quite expensive. Could have bought a name brand for that price, not brand new, but almost new. At least here in Norway.

@einarmikkelsenPNW

5 ай бұрын

Det viste jeg ikke. Alt er jo så dyrt i Norge.

Hey boss! how you doing? i want to import to USA from China. Custom broker made the papers or you need to fill with chinese people?

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Ай бұрын

I filled in most of them after sending emails with request for information from China

the main issue with these units is the instability of the movement of the machine especially If you are working on slopes, they are easy to topple over because the belt and wheel span is too short. It is manageable for flat surface work but this is a serious design flaw, and if you even pay close attention to this video you will see the unit rock which the operator clearly picks up on and then drops the lower push shovel to stabilize the unit. Just consider hat if the demonstration is on a flat and solid surface and rocks back and fourth to that degree then how much worse will it be on any incline?? Caution is all I can say when considering to buy this but they do work well in terms of durability especially if you get a kobota engine. All in all the movement issue was a deal breaker for me

@einarmikkelsenPNW

9 ай бұрын

Topple over like this? kzread.info/dash/bejne/g59smLhxg9Tcg7Q.htmlsi=AgFoHVYMQ2I51emF Mine came with an EPA certified Yanmar engine.

@oersson

7 ай бұрын

Hence some buyers are getting the units that have hydraulic track width extenders. I've seen those on quite a few models.

@einarmikkelsenPNW

7 ай бұрын

I am primarily using it on flat ground. You are right, they are too heavy and a full cab didn't help.

@einarmikkelsenPNW

7 ай бұрын

You are correct

Does it need to be EPA certified?

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

Yes, if you want it to be imported into the US, with an internal combustion engine

OUCH you could have got a good used on in the states for that price

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

True. Nice to have a brand new one, but the import tax of 25% was a killer.

@DW-op7ly

Жыл бұрын

Yes where you get hit is trying to get your stuff through US customs

@chrs1212

Жыл бұрын

​@@einarmikkelsenPNWThank you for posting this great informative video! I am considering one from RIPPA. The total is about $13,500. Is the 25% import tax applied to all imports from China to the US?

@user-me4dl3qe2i

Жыл бұрын

@@chrs1212 YES

@gumelini1

Жыл бұрын

When did buying a used machine for the price of brand new start making sense?

that thing tiny it cost almost $20,000?

@einarmikkelsenPNW

9 ай бұрын

Over

I think that a lot of the import charges are USA specific..the USA does put heavy tariffs on some Chinese imports to protect their domestic market…but a lot of the smaller charges shown by the import agent were simply scamming. If you were a commercial groundwork’s contractor, where your machines are use all day, every day, by operators who don’t own the equipment..and don’t give a stuff..then buy a proprietary brand. If however you are a private buyer who wants a machine for your own use on your own property, going Chinese makes a lot of sense.. in Europe, a proprietary brand 2 ton excavator will cost a minimum of €30k….A Chinese 2 ton machine will cost less than half that ..imported. Also, the accessories, additional buckets, augers etc are a fraction of the price..So for non commercial, private use..the are fine..

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Ай бұрын

Thank you for your insight. Yes. Lots of us nonsense fees and taxes.

Blimey! In the UK you could buy a real brand excavator brand new for that or less!

@einarmikkelsenPNW

7 ай бұрын

Nice!

The guy doing the demo probably took a year of life off the tracks???

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

Yes that was some abuse!

What was the total cost from start to end?

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

It is spelled out, in an excel spreadsheet at the end of the ordering video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/nJqV2qialrKepcY.html

You could have got a really good used Kubota for that much money here in America just drove and picked it up😂😂😂

@einarmikkelsenPNW

9 ай бұрын

Solid point 😁

What is the cost of a US based equivalent to this unit? He paid $26k what does one cost sourced locally?

@einarmikkelsenPNW

9 ай бұрын

About an additional $15k before taxes.

@spineguy1553

9 ай бұрын

@@einarmikkelsenPNW $15k for a US based unit seems to me an obvious choice to go with a new one state side. Idk.

@einarmikkelsenPNW

9 ай бұрын

I would probably have done that if I ran a business with it. I am just messing around on my property.@@spineguy1553

Could have literally got a nice used one for that price here in the US, and it would have been more reliable and better availability for parts

@einarmikkelsenPNW

9 ай бұрын

I was unable to locate a new one for that price.

@bored2death4404

9 ай бұрын

@@einarmikkelsenPNW I said *Used

@einarmikkelsenPNW

9 ай бұрын

@@bored2death4404 Got it. That is not what I wanted.

can you recommend a seller that wont scam me.. or advice on how to not get scammed

@einarmikkelsenPNW

10 ай бұрын

I looked for someone who had been in business for a while.

26k for little chines digger bit over price after all, but good education video, now is about how long this thing will last :D

@einarmikkelsenPNW

7 ай бұрын

It looked good at $17k. Let's see how long it lasts.

👍👍👍👍

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

Thanks

Hitachi, Cat, John Deere or Komatsu. All others are substandard in the equipment world.

@frontagulus

Жыл бұрын

In the smaller sizes, I'd always buy a Yanmar before any of those you listed. Highest quality, highest spec of any 8 tons and under, and for the middle two, you're buying the name as well which doesn't earn any $

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

Ok

@ChuckBeefOG

Жыл бұрын

@@frontagulus yeah what would I know I only own 10 pieces of equipment from 12 ton exs to 824 loaders.

Am I reading the invoice correctly? Over $25,000 for a machine listed at $13,000😮! With all that hassle, I need to rethink the electric motorcycles. Thank you for the very informative description of the process.

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

That is correct. It started low, but I added a lot above the basic unit. As I live in the US, I needed an EPA certified engine. This is not true for everyone. I also added an auger motor and auger, a thumb, an enclosed cab and side swing. But, yes, those fees sucked!

Thanks for posting your experience. I'm in Bothell, can I call you, or meet you I have some questions.

@einarmikkelsenPNW

9 ай бұрын

Sounds good.

You could have bought a used excavator at Valley Equipment in Algona for less and they deliver!!

@einarmikkelsenPNW

7 ай бұрын

I love the new excavator smell

No way! I'll buy a used kunota for same price and have parts and dealer support

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

Ok. Thanks.

Think you overpayed for it id love to get me one some day

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Ай бұрын

If you haven't ordered yet, watch my last video about 150 hours of operations update. It includes things I wish I had asked for.

My experience was I placed a order paid for items that never arrived and didn't receive Alibaba isn't so easy to deal with when it comes to refunding or getting ahold of someone they will honestly dismiss you as the have with me and others I know

@einarmikkelsenPNW

7 ай бұрын

What a bummer! I have had nothing but good luck so far.

Wait .. the shipping is only 150$!!

@einarmikkelsenPNW

11 күн бұрын

Oh no. The shipping to China was $150. Check out the spreadsheet for the charges beyond that, charged here in the US.

So basiclly you paid more for a low quality machine when with some research you could have bought a niver machine even if you had to travell some.

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

That could be accurate. Not sure exactly. This one seems very good so far, and brand new. The Yanmar engine is a huge +

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

Also, here is a follow up video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/Z4F9wbKogq2zlco.html

@chrs1212

Жыл бұрын

It has a Yanmar engine, and that's the critical component. The Chinese are also using high quality hydraulic components and pumps.

@lewiemcneely9143

Жыл бұрын

@@einarmikkelsenPNW I remember seeing Japanese tags on hydraulics on Cat hoes YEARS ago and a pal has a 490 Deere built by Hitachi years ago with the tag on the cab stating so so it's nothing new. And Yanmar is a FINE engine.

$17k but $26k in total for a Chinese mini digger? Are you out of your mind? You could’ve bought a Japanese slightly used mini digger where parts are readily available

@einarmikkelsenPNW

8 ай бұрын

Send me a link. I don't have anything like it available here.

@jrm163

Ай бұрын

But the parts are super expensive! Time to change the market!

25% tax? You went through more “work” purchasing the thing then the machine will ever see

@einarmikkelsenPNW

6 ай бұрын

😄

Wow...i guess i will never make that mistake 😢

@einarmikkelsenPNW

7 ай бұрын

These are all minor issues. Love the machine

26 grand for a mini excavator from China, or, pay like 10-12 grand for a decent condition, used piece of full sized equipment and put another 3-5 grand in it to make it run great. Would be nearly 10k less than the total cost to get this thing and it’s a full sized piece of equipment instead of this pebble picker lol

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

Lots of options out there. I wanted to show everyone the actual, final cost vs the listed. Wouldn't you also consider a brand new one for $14k?

@charlesbrown4483

Жыл бұрын

@@einarmikkelsenPNW There's nothing I won't consider. But it just doesn't make sense to me, why spend more on a much smaller machine just because it's new? To each their own, but I wouldn't do it.

@frontagulus

Жыл бұрын

@@charlesbrown4483 The machine size depends on the work it needs to do and also the customer's resources for moving it. Remember that a 5 ton or less machine can be legally moved on a 14k trailer behind an SRW 1 ton pickup. A ten ton cannot, so even if it cost less, if the customer needs to move it regularly, it has to be sized within his resources. So, I can understand why it wouldn't make sense to you if you haven't taken those sorts of factors into account. By the same token, there absolutely can be a logic to buying a used machine vs. new, a larger vs. smaller, this brand vs. that brand, etc.

@charlesbrown4483

Жыл бұрын

@@frontagulus Well yeah. But this guy isn’t a professional operator so I’m going off the basis that he’s not going to be moving it often. And even if he does occasionally want to use it to do some work for other people, if they’re needing work done that badly they can use their own truck or pay for the transportation themselves. Not always like that but often times it is. And I didn’t say there wasn’t logic behind buying used vs new. In reference to this situation I said it’s more logical to buy something that’s bigger but used.

I recognised the name very fast Norwegian? If so so am I 😊👍

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

That is correct. Born and raised in Svelvik, Norway

@youvashekel6509

Жыл бұрын

@@einarmikkelsenPNW good for you I am Norwegian to currently on vacation in Marocco, that’s when I watched your channel wish you all the best and so on! 😊👍

People seem to not understand bank wires. Seems like charges and holdups were caused by using card. Wires are easy and fast so best to learn about them.

@einarmikkelsenPNW

7 ай бұрын

Card charges were less than 0.1%

After hearing all the crap you went through to get this thing and then you say the process was pretty straight forward, I pissed myself laughing lol.

@einarmikkelsenPNW

7 ай бұрын

You are not the first. It is all about expectations

Hello, Congratulations 🎊 👏 for your new purchase. Well, despite the increased of custom tax of 25% of the whole prices, due to Mr Thump coldness 🥶 with China, or to discourage us citizen to import from China,. Would say to you if you allow to me it's a good investment with a 11 pieces of attachments. Thank for your straightforward with displaying your invoices. Well nice video and you will be using this machine for many years to come. Next time if ever you would purchase with China again, Contact the company directly. Thanks 😊

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

That is good advice. I just wanted the guarantee and payment protection that comes with Alibaba, since I had never done business with them before. If I was to order again, I would go direct.

Once you made a contact with manufacturer, did you still need to deal with Alibaba ? yeah, you always need to pay to a customs broker, there no way you can do it yourself.

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Ай бұрын

I went through Alibaba for the financing security.

@littlebrit

Ай бұрын

@@einarmikkelsenPNW I see. Does it work overseas ? Do they have office in your country to deal with claims?

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Ай бұрын

@@littlebrit It is in the top 500 most trafficked websites worldwide and is allabout international business. I don't know if they have business offices in other countries.

@littlebrit

Ай бұрын

@@einarmikkelsenPNW Thank you for explaining!

Ah, America.... the land of free market capitalism! Unless you want to import something, of course. Thanks for the video Einar. It is very informative and helps those of us in the market for one of these mini hoes to accurately compare pricing. I hope it works out great for you. It's just very disappointing how badly everyone involved in the shipping and registering treated you. Wow. Good luck with your project and I hope you enjoy the machine!

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! I appreciate it. Yeah, a lot of fees. It has been great so far. I have about 15 hours on it by now, lifting heavy logs. I do have a small leak on top of the hydraulic tank, but I think it is as easy as unscrewing 8 bolts and replacing/fixing the gasket. No big deal.

$26,500? Wow. You could have just bought a Kubota or John Deere

@einarmikkelsenPNW

9 ай бұрын

With all the upgrades, yes. Import taxes suck!

sounds lil pricy!!!!!!!!!!!! K&R equipment in Oklahoma sells KYMRON brand with diesel engines gor under 20 k ! very good quality exes !!!

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

That sounds excellent, but I can't find anything like that here in Washington state.

$26k could have got you a larger, local, name brand used machine

@einarmikkelsenPNW

5 ай бұрын

I just wanted a new one 😀

Dude? You should have told her 6500 shipping included.

@einarmikkelsenPNW

9 ай бұрын

It was primarily US import taxes at 25%

How not to buy anything.

@einarmikkelsenPNW

9 ай бұрын

I love it

That price seems way too high for such a small excavator!

@einarmikkelsenPNW

Жыл бұрын

I just can't find one as cheap with all these options locally in the Pacific northwest.