Picard always had the nicest way of announcing "This is the hill I'm willing to die on. And I'll take you with me without a second thought."

@azidal3755

2 жыл бұрын

And woe to those who thought it was a bluff.

@donovanulrich348

2 жыл бұрын

See Picard dosent do well in Poker, he dosent bluff,. . . . XD

@KorAsek453

2 жыл бұрын

@@donovanulrich348 I had this thought exactly. When Picard says he's going to do something, he damn well does it.

@domezasrekh3775

2 жыл бұрын

I love how you can see the exact second, a change in look, when he decides that this is that hill. He doesn't raise his voice, doesn't give a grand declaration in outrage. He states that this will not be, and there is no god or man that can move him from that.

@williamr1088

2 жыл бұрын

And technically in a manner of speaking Captain Picard is a parent of 1000 people aboard his ship.

Picard smiles like "yeah go ahead, kick me out, I will be a captain on a klingon vessel by the end of the month, and its already the 27th

@donovanulrich348

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah 27th of February XD

@AgentXRifle

2 жыл бұрын

The thought of Picard being kicked from Star Fleet and joining the Klingons is kinda hilarious and terrifying.

@Dowlphin

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine Lal after Starfleet had forcibly 'educated' her: _I have decided to join the Maquis._

@piotrd.4850

Жыл бұрын

Well, actually, 1. nobody would believe in Picard offering his services on free market 2. those who would believe ANYWAY would be literally kiling and sold their souls to Ferengi Alliance to hire him

@hagamapama

6 ай бұрын

You know the Klingons would let him in though. They know that Picard has Klingon honor.@@AgentXRifle Also this was happening as the Maquis were forming. _Imagine Picard as a Maquis_

The way Picard smiles when the Admiral tries to threaten him with his career. Those little touches that make Patrick Stewart's performance so iconic.

@Norrie_Rugger

2 жыл бұрын

Total IDGAF moment

@lostpupper2632

2 жыл бұрын

this one agrees, also it thinks that Picard was thinking "you may be an admiral but I have favors owed in higher places than you."

@HisVirusness

2 жыл бұрын

@@lostpupper2632 ...D'Vorah?

@Wertsir

2 жыл бұрын

As if anyone could.

@xandercorp6175

2 жыл бұрын

I think it's less that Picard is sure he can prevent the admiral from delivering on his threats, and more him acknowledging that he is, indeed, risking his career, and that it is obviously worth it. Not "I'm going to fight you because I'll win," but "I might indeed lose everything fighting you - but this is evil and must be fought."

"There are times when men of good conscience _cannot blindly_ follow orders....Order a man to hand his child over to the state? Not while _I'm_ his captain." And THIS is why Picard may not be the best _warrior,_ but *damn sure* is the Captain amongst Captians of Star Fleet.

@TheGary108

2 жыл бұрын

I wish we got this Picard in the Picard show. I still think the Picard show is actually a Kelvin-verse variant, not the OG Picard.

@jayvardy

2 жыл бұрын

Janeway and Kirk both have their moments too. All three are phenomenal. It's all perspective on what you think is the most important characteristics of a good captain. Picard is the wisest. He is a natural leader. Intimidating, yet someone you can trust. His philosophy on human rights is admirable, as is his dedication to the mission. He is a competent warrior and his scientific knowledge of the galaxy combined with his experience makes him one of the best of all time. Janeway is the most personable. I think of the three, she struggles the most internally with her decisions, but she NEVER shows that to her crew. She keeps it together and inspires the confidence needed to carry out her sometimes questionable decisions. Because of circumstance and who she is as a person outside her role as captain, she becomes a mother figure to her crew. If I have a personal problem, she is the captain I want to go to. She has bonded and developed trust with her crew on a level that neither Picard or Kirk could achieve in their decades of service. And no matter how grim things get... She never gives up. And that inspires her team to never give up.... To me she is just as great as the other two. Maybe she is third on that list... But she is great herself. Kirk is a legend. The most inspiring and most fun captain in the history of Starfleet. Kirk can inspire those around him to die for the cause. Risk is our business... That's why we're aboard her... He can make an ensign fresh out of the academy give up their life for the cause... And then cheat death so everyone lives. He isn't just a great warrior though. He is an expert tactician. The corbomite maneuver comes to mind. And he is an accomplished explorer of scientific discovery. The genesis planet came to existence largely due to Kirk's actions. And while he is primarily a soldier and an explorer, he is one of the most accomplished diplomats in all of the federation, leading them to peace with the Klingons before flying off to the nearest star on the right. All are great. It's all about perspective.

@christosvoskresye

2 жыл бұрын

He's not consistent from episode to episode.

@kentleytaggart5816

2 жыл бұрын

You are correct 100%.

@KorAsek453

2 жыл бұрын

@@jayvardy Respectfully, I think you're totally wrong about Janeway being the most personable, that title definitely goes to Sisko. With very few exceptions, Janeway generally keeps everyone (including Chakotay and Tuvok) at arms length, maintaining that professional separation between Captain and crew, whereas Sisko treats his crew like family. Not only does he regularly have meals with them, something Janeway rarely did, but he even cooks for them himself. He also took each and every one of them to the holosuite to watch/play baseball on multiple occasions, whereas Janeway's holodeck time was almost exclusively spent alone. Sisko also had a much more casual rapport with his crew, often cracking jokes and generally displaying a very relaxed and lighthearted attitude whenever they weren't in the middle a serious incident or situation. While Janeway did show a more relaxed, lighthearted side occasionally, it was certainly not her baseline and she still maintained the strict professionalism I mentioned before when doing so. I also have to wonder why you left out both Sisko and Archer, as if they didn't exist and the other three were the only Captains in the franchise. They were ALL great characters, each in their own way, and all played by very talented actors (yes, even Shatner).

"I AM Starfleet." "If you truly think that, then you are unfit to command."

@raggarbergman

2 жыл бұрын

Well despite Star Wars taking place a long time ago and Star Trek in the future, we now see where Mr I am the Senate got hsi ideas from.

@ireallyreallyhategoogle

2 жыл бұрын

@@raggarbergman Except Palpatine meant it, which is why Windu said "Not Yet".

@ireallyreallyhategoogle

2 жыл бұрын

@Graustreif Elvanien Not quite at that moment, but he knew it would soon be true.

@adriansmith3532

2 жыл бұрын

This is SPARTA!!!!

@ireallyreallyhategoogle

2 жыл бұрын

@@adriansmith3532 Nope Star Trek, better luck next time.

When someone says "I am..." Starfleet, the law, the government etc. that person does NOT deserve that position.

@killer13324

2 жыл бұрын

*palpatine has entered the chat*

@DD2225

2 жыл бұрын

Fauci comes to mind.

@JWMcLay

2 жыл бұрын

Here here! That arrogance speaks volumes

@chrisb.1718

2 жыл бұрын

@@DD2225 lmao, how's the koolaid taste

@vardellsfolly5200

2 жыл бұрын

Judge Dredd quotes that all the time. And he IS right. And quite resourceful!

"You acknowledge their sentience but you ignore their personal liberties and freedom." - And that's extremely damning because, if the admiral failed to acknowledge their sentience, thinking of Data and Lal as nothing but sophisticated machinery, then at least the case could be made that he is acting out of ignorance. But it's worse. He acknowledges their sentience but he deliberately does not care about it, does not care what rules and rights under the Federation come with the status of being sentient. That's not being negligence, that is being evil.

@Orionmatrix2015

2 жыл бұрын

More like selfish, all he wants is to do what Madox could not, because Lal was not a member of starfleet, therefore he didnt think that Picard had any way of protecting her. The admiral was being an opportunist in the worst ways possible. I dont think he was being 'evil' per se, he wanted to study Lal for the advancements of cybernetics that could be learned from her, dissregarding that Data, as her parent, could refuse. He also didnt have a clue what Captain he was messing with.

@TheKrstff

2 жыл бұрын

Ironic given that a few years later Picard is in favor of the mass production and enslavement of Data like androids.

@DraculaCronqvist

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheKrstff That's not ironic, that's just idiocy on the writer's part. They don't even know the characters they bought.

@antunkatona5674

2 жыл бұрын

That's exactly right! That's the brilliance of this episode. The questions of personal rights and freedom have been falling on deaf ears even today. In fact, I think we've distanced ourselves from the ideals of equality in the recent years. Apathy seems to be the norm today and fighting that means fighting a noble cause.

@hilkmeister1382

2 жыл бұрын

The countless times that situation has played across history, still going on even in countries founded on personal freedoms. Biggest thing is we have gotten very good at saying it is for the greater good rather than evil

"Belay that order, Mister Data." "Hold your ground, Mister Data." The sheer testicular audacity with which those statements were rendered. Gangster.

@victorpradha9946

2 жыл бұрын

THIS is why Picard garners such incredible loyalty. He will go to the mat for his people!

@ralgith

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, look at what he does for fun on the holodeck :D

@dhinton1

2 жыл бұрын

JLP literally was willing to risk his career (if necessary) for his senior staff ....... he loved and implicitly trusted them so. when he said BELAY THAT ORDER, MR. DATA ..... I got chills. Again. lol

@beverlyanne5699

2 жыл бұрын

There is alway's opportunity to challenge those abusing authority.

@sammycoats524

2 жыл бұрын

This is my favorite comment on KZread

"It would violate every lesson I have learned about human parenting." This is underrated and overlooked. The writers did a great job of showing Data's growth. His desire to be human led him to 'procreate' an offspring. He did what any human would do. Then, he defended his child as any parent would. Also, doing what any human would do. He's literally defending humanity to a human

@TheFiddleFaddle

7 ай бұрын

Based on what, do you consider it underrated and overlooked? You're watching a clip of this scene for a reason.

@tonoornottono

6 ай бұрын

@@TheFiddleFaddlewould you mind not being a big pedantic bitch?

@TammoKorsai

6 ай бұрын

@@TheFiddleFaddle The word 'underrated' has been distorted to just mean anything that is good, regardless of its actual popularity. It greatly irritates me.

@Corellian

5 ай бұрын

@@TheFiddleFaddle He has a point, even if I generally agree that the word "overrated" is frequently misused. The clip and many of the more popular comments put emphasis on Picard's response and defiance, not Data's. He isn't wrong in pointing out that the quote is overlooked.

@Corellian

5 ай бұрын

@@TammoKorsai The part that irritates me is when something that clearly was celebrated and valued in it's time is dug up again by social media algorithms, sometimes several decades later, and the conclusion "I hadn't heard of this, therefore it must be underrated" is drawn.

What a great admission by Picard in calling Lal, "the Child." He hesitated at the thought but came to the sense that in Lal's development, she was a child.

@glenndallas7171

2 жыл бұрын

Really great moment. Picard slowly accepting Data's view of Lal as his child was one of the episode's many highlights.

@ffreed

5 ай бұрын

@@glenndallas7171Yeah, it was a great moment when Picard admitted he didn’t get why Data would even create offspring, and Troi flat-out pointed out, “because you were never a parent.” That comment got through to him; it got him to see how his own discomfort with children was influencing his view of the situation. From then on, he supported Data’s efforts with Lal.

"The child..." Picard catches himself, then repeats it with conviction. He went from scoffing at the idea to actively defending it.

@nunya3163

3 ай бұрын

To truly believing it.

This is what true leadership and courage looks like.

@OrionThomas30

2 жыл бұрын

Yes sir

@yurikalashnikov5815

2 жыл бұрын

Got me good

@rockhaze

7 ай бұрын

You can only get away with shit like this when you're a captain, though, because it's your ship and you're in charge. A second lieutenant would have gotten thrown out of the window into space by the admiral. Good, skilled captains are hard to come by, so not as dispensable as other ranks. Being captain of the Enterprise meant Picard was cream of the crop of all Starfleet captains, and is well respected, so he has some pull.

@radscorpion8

4 ай бұрын

@@rockhaze I think its a little silly to suggest that they would shy away from punishment merely because of his title. If Starfleet sent the admiral to remove lal, then the Captain's protest is futile first of all, he will simply be overruled at whatever hearing he is going to. Second the value of lal to starfleet - as an artificial lifeform with the power to save millions of lives by having future generations serve aboard thousands of starfleet vessels with the insane abilities that data has (continually improving), far outweighs the value of a single captain, who could have been replaced by Riker or any seasoned Starfleet graduate anyway (not perfectly but sufficiently well). I mean really, the idea that there are no replacement captains in an international alliance, to the point where they don't punish outright insubordination, just seems like a big reach. It is the military. Those are the rules This is just a blind decision which nevertheless appeals to people's stupid short-sighted parenting instincts. Lets focus on the short term emotions, and the "aww lets protect daddy and his baby" instead of saving millions of lives and ensuring the survival of an entire race of beings in the long run. Good lord. Everyone commenting on this board is so disappointing. Not one smart person

@tomb7942

2 ай бұрын

But when Wesley violated HIS order when forcing the humans to abandon the planet because of the treaty with Cardassia, that was simply not something that could be tolerated. Picard is full of self righteousness until someone uses the same logic on him, then he just can't have it. Selective morality.

When Picard says “Belay that order.”, you know someone is in for it.

Data fights for Lal like a father fights for his child. And Picard fights for Data's rights as a father, as if he were his father. Morals and ethics have always been the strengths of Starfleet's best captain

@The_Lucent_Archangel

7 ай бұрын

Picard had these strengths without having a child. Sisko possessed them also, partly by virtue of having a son and then further on due to basically occupying the position a Fleet Captain or Commodore in wartime. The argument could be made that Janeway had some measure of matriarchal strength considering how she became more or less a foil against the Borg Queen with Seven as the focal point of their conflict. Kirk didn't really hold any of this until after he learned he had a son and then lost him, and refused to lose his crew. I wouldn't really associate any of this with Archer, because he was always too focused on his father's legacy and that initial push for exploration and coalition. All the same, these Captains had actual depth and development to them, and it's sorely missed.

@danielhaire6677

5 ай бұрын

@@The_Lucent_Archangel By this point, I think that the Bridge crew served as his family, which made Lal his granddaughter. He was fighting for his family.

"Captain, you are jeopardizing your Command and Career" -- Picard, just nods and smiles, cool as a cucumber. When you are "In the right", and you have the courage of your convictions, it goes a long way towards giving you the courage to act in the right way.

"One lucky shot by a romulan" And where was this concern until now? When Data was the Only one? They didnt seem to mind him serving aboard the ship. But suddenly having two is a freak out "omg what if" moment?

@ireallyreallyhategoogle

2 жыл бұрын

It's called an excuse. They want her, and they are willing to do and say whatever they have to do or say to get her.

@jimbojimbo8

2 жыл бұрын

Why not take Data's brothe Lore instead

@b.c.102

2 жыл бұрын

I think Maddox brought it up when they were discussing Data's existence in "The Measure of a Man" when he wanted to take Data apart to learn how to build more of him.

@paulbottomley42

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimbojimbo8 well, because he's a robotic Hannibal Lecter, but also maybe they didn't know about him at this point in the series?

@Exodianecross1978

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimbojimbo8 He was beamed into space, to the giant snowflake that destroyed whole planets.

It's like Lal said earlier when the Admiral claimed that he had great respect for Data and she replied "You do not speak with respect." The Admiral had no regard for their rights or liberties as sentient beings. He knew he could not order any other member of the crew to hand over their child, nor would he have considered it. But it was clear that in his eyes Data and Lal were not truly beings, but property. Just like Commander Maddox at Data's trial, the Admiral was drooling over the thought of taking Lal apart and making more of her, to further his own career.

@edboonsucks3218

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. This Admiral would violate Data's rights and Lal's as well. Data won the trial, Maddox vs. Data. This case is closed. The Admiral can't do this. All he can do is remove Data from star fleet, but not his child, he doesn't work for CPS.

@seruresto1386

2 жыл бұрын

Eh, I think the end shows that not to be true. The Admiral barely holding back tears, full of sorrow, and speaking of Data's efforts to save her with such admiration.

@irishinnj72

2 жыл бұрын

@@seruresto1386 The end allowed the Admiral to see Data frantically trying to save Lal. He then had a completely different perspective on both of them because of that. He did not see them the same way earlier.

@deadlypandaghost

Ай бұрын

To be fair to Commander Maddox, I don't think it was personal glory driving him. He was an honorable man who wanted to serve humanity. He just didn't acknowledge Data's sentience which is a reasonable stance, at the very least from a non audience POV.

This scene had SUCH a HUGE impact on me. When I became a supervisor in the school district, I never forgot this scene and stood up to upper management more than once when one of my people would get abused, and I became a hero in their eyes. And all because of one scene in a nerdy science fiction TV show. Another scene that also changed my life was Q telling Picard after he got shot in his pace maker(maybe not a pace maker, but it was something artificial in his heart) that he was just a lowly ensign because he never seized the moment, like the time his captain died on the Stargazer, and he "was never noticed by anyone, because he learned to play it safe". That scene of Q chastising Picard in the after life gave me the courage to test for every promotion available in the school district, and it paid off. Thank you Star Trek!

@darthimperious1594

2 жыл бұрын

There's a reason that a lot of us look to Picard as our "Space Dad". I learned many lessons about life from this show and the character of Picard. I intend to watch this show with my children someday. It teaches the value of freedom, the value of life, regardless of what form it may take, and so much more. It's truly one of the best shows of our time.

@Yroko

2 жыл бұрын

@@darthimperious1594 TOS showed us the acceptance of others, and to learn from them. Never to fear the unknown but to be excited for it. A great scene was with kirk and a little person. He asked him if his world had more like him. In reality it was his stature of his diminutive size, but the lack of his psychic powers.

@Martin_Hermann

2 жыл бұрын

@@darthimperious1594 And then he makes a total mockery out of it, taking a giant dumb on all his legacy as if it meant nothing! All this time he must have harbored some secret disdain for Trek. I can never look at Picard the same as I did as a kid.

@darthimperious1594

2 жыл бұрын

@@Martin_Hermann I refuse to watch the new show. Disney already ruined Star Wars. This, I refuse to acknowledge.

@ThePeacemaker848

2 жыл бұрын

@@Martin_Hermann it just shows how effective the hollywood brainwashign really is that it can make people like patrick stewart stray so far. ...it also highlights how dumb actors really are.

"I am starfleet, captain " Yes but you're not the Senate

@AzguardMike

2 жыл бұрын

*Emperor Palpatine has entered the chat* Hehehehehe thats cute, young Admiral. Now you will experience the full powah of the Dark Side!

@guillermoelnino

2 жыл бұрын

palpatine: gotcha bitch!

@jeancabaille

2 жыл бұрын

*Q has entered the chat* The dark side, what a joke *Q snap his finger*

@rcslyman8929

2 жыл бұрын

"Any man that must say, 'I am Starfleet' is not true Starfleet."

@winejew9594

2 жыл бұрын

No, not true. No single individual encompasses an entire organization.

I love captain Picard's statement: There comes a time, when a man of good conscience cannot blindly follow orders.

When Picard says "hold your ground," you HOLD!

Patrick Stewart’s performance was one of the best. The hesitation after he said “child” referencing the earlier discussion was perfect. Realizing that he now viewed Lal as Data’s child.

"I AM starfleet" Picard: It's abduction, then...

@averongodoffire8098

2 жыл бұрын

They draw light sabres because screw it we’re running with this shit man!

@masere

2 жыл бұрын

Ah but this franchise protects children, not slaughters them in a temple.

@CountryMetal01

2 жыл бұрын

It's what Communism does

@hobomike6935

2 жыл бұрын

*picard ignites lightsaber* Data: "that does not appear to be a rational course of action, sir." Picard: "then I'll be irrational!"

@shadizersilverhand2113

2 жыл бұрын

@@CountryMetal01 no, that's not what communism does in the slightest, go and actually learn what communism is. That's what we get from authoritarianism, dicatorships, theocracies and similar government designs.

That is the sign of a true Leader . Willing to sacrifice his career , reputation, to support someone that has served him so loyally over the years. It's that kind of move that causes support from all ranks when word gets around. This is why foundations are built and people lay down their lives in support of each other.

I like how Picard got irritated initially, but took a deep breath and calmed down and chose his words very carefully towards his commanding officer. We do get treated to a master class in acting by Patrick Stewart on this show.

When someone tells me "You're not a parent." or "You'll understand when you have kids." It makes me want to slap the shit out of that person for their condescending and self righteous tone.

@hydroknight01

5 ай бұрын

"You're not a parent." And you, Admiral, have just demonstrated that you're fundamentally unfit to be trusted with other people's children, especially when there's something in it for you.

@BlackDiamond2718

Ай бұрын

And you are not her father…

@johnweatherman5685

6 күн бұрын

The problem is, this is a fundamentally true statement. Until you have been totally responsible for another life that has no ability to take any responsibility for itself, a life that is quite literally your own future, you really don't know how that effects your judgment. The admiral was acting as a tactician, not a parent though and that's the rub. He wasn't attempting to emotionally manipulate Data, which was a fools errand as Data has no emotions to manipulate, rather he was really trying to emotionally manipulate Picard...which was almost MORE foolish as Picard immediately recognized it for what it was and it just made him dig his heels in. Even an Admiral should be damn careful about p1$$ing off a CO on a ship light years from anything with a crew that has consistently demonstrated they were more greater loyalty to their CO than to the organization at large. This is how the golden age of piracy got started.

1:16 Lovely bit of acting and writing there. The way he says, "The Child" and then pauses. You can see he's questioning whether using the word 'child' for an android is correct, and then that nod to acknowledge that synthetic or organic, child is the correct term for a sentient new-born. Nice.

It's interesting that Admiral Haftel was a lot different than Commander Maddox, in that he held some measure of respect for Data as a sentient being, and his status as a parent. Which makes it more regrettable that in spite of that, he still attempts to exert his authority to force Data to give up Lal. Like at least for Maddox, he was blind to the personhood of the android standing in front of him. But for Haftel to acknowledge it, and still try and treat him like a second-class citizen, is almost worse.

@danielhaire6677

5 ай бұрын

But when the chips were down, Haftel at least stepped up to help Data try to save Lal.

@whiskeyfur

5 ай бұрын

@@danielhaire6677 I still don't doubt even if it's not canon that Haftel still ended up in trouble with starfleet because some could say due to his demands, Lal broke down and wasn't able to handle it. Basically.. he, however unintentionally, murdered a child. That's the end of a career there.

It's like everyone just completely forgot what happened the last time they said Data had no legal grounds to choose.

@johngaynor7819

2 жыл бұрын

It. Just goes to show how badly they want to tip the scales of the power struggle between them and the romulans, if they had a data aboard every star ship that would be an immense advantage at the same time im sure if every ship had one the romulans would eventually steal one and replicate them for themselves

@bragnir

2 жыл бұрын

@@johngaynor7819 According to ST: Picard no, they wouldn't. Romulans are extremelly perjudiced against artificial intelligence of any kind. They will gladly make machines that make everything easier and faster- but the decision (and thus, the power) must ultimately lie in the hands of a Romulan.

@johngaynor7819

2 жыл бұрын

@@bragnir sure decision making but I’m sure they would use them for slave labor there is a lot of ways any civilization could utilize data for personal gain doesn’t have to be decision making like the federation utilizes data. Make no mistake the romulans would love to have data.

@bragnir

2 жыл бұрын

@@johngaynor7819 As for the TNG era, yes. Not so, for the ST: Picard one. To those, he's an unholy abomination that must be immediatelly eliminated.

@johngaynor7819

2 жыл бұрын

@@bragnir that new season of Star Trek is dog shlt. Only thing that can save that show is some worf cameos. Should of just brought the whole gang back together or not at all the writing on that show is nothing compared to tng as far as I’m concerned that doesn’t even exist

Belay that order Mr. Data The most powerful words ever spoken in TNG

@domezasrekh3775

2 жыл бұрын

I never heard him use that voice before or ever again. In this moment, he was everything Star Fleet claimed to be.

Men of good conscious, can not blindly follow orders. A statement for all genders and peoples. Right is right.

@GeoStreber

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah and then 4 seasons later, Picard gets mad at Wesley Crusher for not obeying orders trying to resettle some people out of Cardassian space.

@guillermoelnino

2 жыл бұрын

if only more men like that existed in this day and age.

@vsync

2 жыл бұрын

@@GeoStreber but he trained Wesley to do what is right so in a way he succeeded even when he failed

@strangelee4400

2 жыл бұрын

Hmmm...That sounds quite absolute. 'Right is right'. Who decides what is 'right'?

@calhoun24

2 жыл бұрын

@@vsync All to the point of Wesley resigning his appointment to the Academy in order to stand by his convictions. Even Picard initially didn’t want to follow those orders, because it would mean uprooting and forcefully relocating people that did not want to leave a place that held incredible and deep spiritual connection.

And they completely forgot about Lore. "Hey, want to study one of these things? We've got a spare."

@joshhendrickson

2 жыл бұрын

Not really. At this point, the last time Lore had been seen, he was beamed into space towards the Crystalline entity. They thought him destroyed until he made his next appearance in the season after this one. That's when Soong called Data (and Lore accidentally) to install the emotion chip. They didn't have Lore as a "spare" for a few more seasons.

@hobomike6935

2 жыл бұрын

Lore is extremely dangerous and attempting to keep him inside starfleet R&D for dissection and examination is very risky. he's already proven he can copy voices, survive extremely powerful attacks/disabling methods, and can work extremely quickly. he could do tremendous damage to the federation without careful planning and surveillance.

@shadizersilverhand2113

2 жыл бұрын

@@hobomike6935 and without question some idiot would completely reassemble Lore, turn him on and think 'yeah we can totally control this thing it's just an android after all.'

3:02 the way he calmly says "hold your ground, Mr. Data" is just perfect and shows his confidence. He knows the Admiral is crossing a line and he would've fought for Lals and Datas rights until the very end. It almost sounds like he's telling Data not to give up so easily.

@domezasrekh3775

2 жыл бұрын

He meant "I'm with you on this. You Can refuse." A true leader

Any man that must say “I am Starfleet” is no true Starfleet

@laramyelliott2903

2 жыл бұрын

I see what you did there

@theilluminatedone9214

2 жыл бұрын

You just sent the most powerful man in Star Trek to bed without his supper

@BlackDiamond2718

Ай бұрын

Sisko: ill make sure he understands that when ive won his war for him.

I also liked that, while the Admiral was unequivocally in the wrong here, he wasn't completely malevolent or idiotically stubborn like a lot of Starfleet brass get portrayed as over the years. He genuinely does try to help with Lal in the next scene, and marvels at the extent of Data's efforts. Again, not to defend his position, merely to highlight the good writing of characters that feel three dimensionally human.

@kingcreedo6010

6 ай бұрын

"I AM Starfleet" Is the end all to this. Even if you try to paint him good. That was the call of pure corruption

@ffreed

5 ай бұрын

@@kingcreedo6010Yeah, “I am Starfleet” was the desperation tactic of someone who knew he didn’t have a moral or even legal leg to stand on, but he was digging in his heels because he wasn’t getting his way.

when the admiral says he is starfleet.... boy does that remind you of something.

@BlastoiseBaller

2 жыл бұрын

Any man who must say I am Starfleet is no true Starfleet

@cosmeticscameo8277

2 жыл бұрын

@@BlastoiseBaller lol good one.

@DolchiO07

2 жыл бұрын

"I AM STARFLEET!" "Not yet" "It's treason then..."

@williamnone

2 жыл бұрын

Space fascism?

@Yroko

2 жыл бұрын

@@williamnone yes, to a degree. It one of the reasons the maquis exists. Anyone who was starfleet that just went AWOL is very frowned upon. DS9 touches on it a fair bit. Its 1 of the reasons i cant truly put full faith in starfleet. The federation has its cons too, but its a good thing the 2 arnt directly tied together

Does Starfleet remove someone's brain when they are made an admiral? I think Admiral Paris was the only one to get that rank without showing outright incompetence.

@rgderen88

2 жыл бұрын

Upper management is always full of morons, no matter what century it is

@donovanulrich348

2 жыл бұрын

^^^^^^^^^ See the workers can, so they do Management cant, so they dont

@Dowlphin

2 жыл бұрын

Wow, did you really forget Admiral Kirk? 😜

@HariSeldon913

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dowlphin Nope. He was demoted for acting competently.

@Dowlphin

2 жыл бұрын

@@HariSeldon913 That doesn't contradict what I said.

Now THIS is the Picard I remember.

Picard really is the best Captain man. His speech in the courtroom when deciding if Data was sentient or not was also a career high

@The_Lucent_Archangel

7 ай бұрын

The way he dismantled Admiral Sati and baited her into flipping out in front of an entire courtroom due to her prejudice and paranoia was quite masterful, also. He used her own father's words in such a civil and measured way, knowing it would make her go mental and end the inquiry.

Social services: "It would be better for your child if she/he knew you were voluntarily handing them over." Dad: "It would be better for my child if he/she did not grow up knowing the state submitted their dad to moral blackmail."

@mechanomics2649

9 ай бұрын

The fuck are you talking about?

@potsdam28

5 ай бұрын

No this would probably be the military not social services

@tablesalt2628

4 ай бұрын

Child services exists to protect children from bad parents. No not an apt comparison. This guy just wanted to use Data's child for Starfleet.

@Puckosar

4 ай бұрын

And there it is. The obvious fucked up way the message of this scene could be interpreted. Ordering a man to hand his child over to the state, like with CPS, is sometimes ABSOLUTELY the right thing to do.

@NunyaBitness-xq9ed

3 ай бұрын

@tablesalt2628 Child services steals children from good parents. They are a horribly run government agency.

One of my earliest memories, at age 3, is watching Star Trek with my father, and I distinctly remember him calling one of the characters within the episode 'Admiral Pinhead'. That was a long time ago and I don't remember which episode it is, but I can only imagine that it was this one, as Admiral Haftel in this episode is the single most despicable Starfleet flag officer in the entire series, in my opinion. Nechayev catches a lot of flak, and rightfully so, but not even she displays such a flagrant disregard for the personal rights of another Starfleet officer to this extent.

@willvella3043

Жыл бұрын

NERD! ( jk...me too 😋)

I really wish Data held his ground without Picard telling him too. The show does a great job of showing Picard's morality. But it woulda been nice if Data was like "I can't give you my child, even if it's an order." It can still play out the same with Picard being a certified badass and saying he won't allow Data to give up his child to the state and what not. But it woulda shown Data's evolution to stand pat on the decision to not give up his child.

@hackman669

2 жыл бұрын

Good point, Data finds a logical and polite way to turn down the admiral with Picard's support. Would have enjoyed seeing this played out in court just like in a "Measure of a Man." Data than granted citizenship and rights in the Federation then claims guardian status of LAl.

@rareosts5752

2 жыл бұрын

That would've completely ruined Data's entire character of trying to understand being human, but still being an android. Thank goodness you weren't writing for them, that's cheap and dumb.

@CPate-rt8lk

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not convinced Data got up to go carry out the order. I could see him going to find Lal, walking with her to the bridge, and then comandeering the Enterprise as he did when Soong sent him the message to come to his lab. Good luck stopping him, especially since this time Picard and the rest of the crew would be on his side!

@DlcEnergy

2 жыл бұрын

@@CPate-rt8lk Yeah that plot twist would've been good to see. Should've exposed his fake ass, we all know his true intentions. Or another plot twist, Data faked her death. lol (which technically he did since he stored her mind in himself)

@alexyoon-sungcucina7895

2 жыл бұрын

My theory is Data was about to pull an escape like we saw in 'Brothers', hijack a shuttle and flee with Lal.

Any individual that says "I am [overarching virtue]," has failed to learn the lesson we learned in Babylon when we first separated the virtue of authority from the man holding that authority.

"Captain, I *am* Starfleet..." Uhh, maybe. But to quote Qui-Gon Jinn... "There's always a bigger fish..."

@myrixica4222

2 жыл бұрын

I haven't thought about D&D in years. I should reread it

@wrongway1100

2 жыл бұрын

Sometimes it's necessary to go over the bosses head. Admiral Rickover knew that.

@davidknowles2491

2 жыл бұрын

I guess he forgot about the Federation President......

@Tahkaullus01

2 жыл бұрын

@@myrixica4222 Ah, a fellow Cheddar Monk.

I know this is Data's story, but this is Picard's scene! A boss moment.

"you are not a parent" picard "apparently i am a better parent than you"

@victorpradha9946

2 жыл бұрын

And you are NOT a Starfleet admiral to pass such imperious judgments!

@jacksonheathen2092

2 жыл бұрын

@@victorpradha9946 But isn't this all an irrelevant agrument ? There was already legal precedent establishing that Soong type androids were free & sentient beings. So Admiral Haftel really had no legal authority to take Lal anywhere. Picard had the legal high ground.

@StrangeDuck

2 жыл бұрын

@@jacksonheathen2092 TBH i cant remember if that was before or after this episode.

@jacksonheathen2092

2 жыл бұрын

@@StrangeDuck Well, the episode where Data was declared to be free & self aware was in season 2 episode 9 "The Measure of a Man", and this episode about Lal "The Offspring" was season 3 episode 16. So Admiral Haftel really had no legal authority to take Lal anywhere. At least that's my opinion.

@JanetStarChild

2 жыл бұрын

Jean-Luc Picard is kind of a surrogate father to his crew, especially to Data and Wesley.

Always admired actors who come into a show to play one small part in a one off episode and totally hits it out of the park. One of my favorite episodes 😊

"I am Starfleet, Captain!" "Not for long. Data, rip his arms off."

This episode bring up some parallels in actual history like indigenous children taken away from their homes to be sent to residential schools....

@victorpradha9946

2 жыл бұрын

And the forcible removal of children of slaves from their mothers and prohibiting marriage between slaves.

@fritzwilhelm8258

2 жыл бұрын

As my friends in the Marine Corps (of which I was never a member) used to say, not proud.

@michaelgreenwood3413

2 жыл бұрын

@@victorpradha9946 And the forcible internment of immigrant kids from their families by the last president.

@tenchraven

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelgreenwood3413 Or the one before him. It started with Obama, resumed under Biden. I would advise you to educated yourself. It was disgusting, no matter which president it was, and we haven't had a good one in decades.

@RyanHDR

2 жыл бұрын

@@tenchraven Wrong. Perhaps you're the one that should seek education before lecturing others. Obama's policies only separated children for up to 30 days to determine if the child was being trafficked, and even those situations were rare. Trump's administration made it a matter of policy to separate *every* child from their parents as a deterrent, regardless of the case. Intentional cruelty. If you're going to spout the "both sides" bullshit, make sure you've got your facts right first. www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/jun/19/matt-schlapp/no-donald-trumps-separation-immigrant-families-was/

0:50 this guy totally sent all his kids to boarding school

This Admiral screaming "I am Starfleet" always bugged me. He's a three star Admiral, which puts him as the assistant to a full Flag officer, a Four Star Admiral. He's not in command of anything in particular. Stating "I am Starfleet" without holding either the full Flag, or Chief of Starfleet...disrespects those above him. In Short, he's a Vice-Admiral not a full Admiral.

@Frankie2012channel

Жыл бұрын

I think what he was saying that He was the highest ranking representative of Star Fleet, probably within an entire sector, thus for all intents and purposes, no one for many lightyears radius could outrank him. Thus he was 'the big boss' in that sector. But... as we all know, even a fleet Admiral cannot take command of a ship from its captain unless that captain has been found incapable, criminal or insane. At sea (or in space) the Captain is the ultimate boss of the ship.

@theadoredones

Жыл бұрын

@@Frankie2012channel well reasoned good sir, but I have to disagree, mostly from the emotional side of the delivery. The way he presents it, is as if he is saying that in this instance, he IS Starfleet. Which is the cornerstone mistake of the majority of TNG Admirals, the only admiral from TNG I liked was Nechayev, who really had the presence of an admiral.

@mechanomics2649

9 ай бұрын

@@Frankie2012channel I think it was a lot more simple than that. He saw himself acting on behalf of Starfleet and for the good of Starfleet.

« Hold your ground, Mr. Data »

Not while I'm his captain! Brilliant! That's one of the greatest moments in TV history right there!

@domezasrekh3775

2 жыл бұрын

"Stand your ground Data" too. He basically takes on all the fallout from this defiance. As Data's captain, he is responsible if Data follows his command. He shields him without hesitation!

I genuinely cried when I watched this episode for the first time

@domezasrekh3775

2 жыл бұрын

I have cried every time i watched it.

Picard!! And Data!! Is like Father and Son!! ❤

Star Trek TNG. Classic and Iconic.

I scroll down looking for amazing, witty, insightful commentary on this scene only to find that the comment section is empty and I am but an early bean.

@devonoffutt3384

2 жыл бұрын

bean

@TheRealTerranMarine

2 жыл бұрын

You mean to say bean there, done that?

@janpiet4740

2 жыл бұрын

To bean or not to bean that's the question

@GozUnlimited

2 жыл бұрын

The admiral regretted his decision in heinz sight

@laker4life36

2 жыл бұрын

Waste Wesley no, Data no, POTENT RIKER no, Picard no. Deanna’s anyday though. That’s the tune that plays in my head when that TNG into tune plays!!

Nicolas Coster - who played Admiral Haftel - also played General Renning in "By Dawn's Early Light"

@jonathankleinow2073

2 жыл бұрын

Also the attorney named "Markham" in All The President's Men." kzread.info/dash/bejne/k5-qpdh_lq2sZ6g.html

"I am Starfleet." "Not yet."

"You may test that assumption at your convenience" is my favorite but this one's up there.

"Thank you for my life" 😭

@brianmessemer2973

2 жыл бұрын

I'm about to watch that clip next...I'm getting misty eyed just thinking about it.

The worst part is, the once mad Admiral had a change of heart and attempted to help Mr. Data save the dying Lal, he praised Data for his attempts and actually felt sadge, it was... damn

@hagamapama

6 ай бұрын

I'm sure he realized he had played a role in Lal's death and it hurt him inside that his hubris had caused him to take a life.

@shrews12001

5 ай бұрын

The way he trembles when he describes how fast Data's hands were moving is so intense.

"BuT StAr tReK iS lefT wInG!!!" lololol

One of my personal favorite bits of dialogue from Data. It REALLY shows off how far Data has come. He doesn't sound like an android here. He sounds like a man.

Data could have resigned his commission making anything the admiral wanted moot. Then to rub it in, Picard could ASK Data to serve as a "Consultant" on the Enterprise with his daughter in tow.

@donovanulrich348

2 жыл бұрын

Technically But no The fact Androids dont have rights in a corrupt government, Data could have resigned and the Admiral strips his military record. . . Including his military trial that gave *him* exclusive rights

@MrMann123446

2 жыл бұрын

@@donovanulrich348 You have to remember, he was given his "freedom" and was declared sentient. They would not ever rescind it so your logic is flawed.

I call BS If he was a real parent he wouldn’t even be there to make that argument

What I always liked about Star Trek was how logical the responses are, the dialouge and acting ! Makes my real life ' reality ' very wanting...

“You are jeopardizing your command and your career.” Admiral, you’re out of your league.

Extraordinary scene & dialogue. Brent Spiner is utterly phenomenal. Stupendous performance.

Only two Soong type androids in existence? Did they think Lore was dead at this time?

@tjwparso

2 жыл бұрын

I think so, they just left him in space?

@teleportedbreadfor3days

2 жыл бұрын

Actually yes they did. So did Data himself and Soong, who was still self-exiled on a planet working in a lab. This was before the Brothers episode.

@TheCsel

2 жыл бұрын

Also Data's android mother was still alive I believe, but Starfleet did not know this I think?

@NateSean

2 жыл бұрын

Is he sure there has never been a Soong type android B4 now?

@Orionmatrix2015

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheCsel No one knew she was an android though, she was designed to fool any kind of scan, transporter, her husband, there was no way of knowing until her arm was detatched.

My goodness, this gives me chills the same way it did when I watched it the first time over 30 years ago.

This is why I adore Picard as a captain, he has the will and conviction to stand up for what is right, and woe betide anyone who stands against him. Allow me to Paraphrase. "I am Starfleet." "I am his Captain, your opinion is nullified."

I've always hated people who say, "You're not a parent like me, therefore, I know more than you". I've observed there are a lot of stupid parents out there.

@mechanomics2649

9 ай бұрын

You don't need to be a pilot to spot a plane crash.

@gregh7400

9 ай бұрын

@@mechanomics2649 True enough.

That's my captain.

I've always loved Data's subtle (and sometimes not so subtle) hints of his own brand of emotionality.

Picard was the finest example of a Starfleet officer, he will be sadly missed by all those who knew him and served with him.

"Troi to Picard. Have you looked at the time, Captain? This is your reminder call that we're syndicated and have to wrap up this episode's fascinating premise by the time the credits roll." I love _TNG_ to death, but sometimes it was just too episodic. I get why, it just robbed the series of having even more narrative power.

The thing I like about this episode is that ultimately, the Admiral isn't evil. Just like Bruce Maddox, in "The Measure of a Man," he's simply ignorant of the bigger picture and that his intentions are honest. He thinks he's doing good and by the episode's end, he is doing nothing but trying to save a life. The Admiral isn't a bad man. He's an incorrect man, but he is not a bad man. I love that sort of depth that Star Trek brought to its antagonists.

@annehaight9963

6 ай бұрын

Evil people don't think they are evil. And that's part of the problem. Whether he had good intentions or not doesn't matter. The fact remains, what this Admiral was doing was evil.

@hydroknight01

5 ай бұрын

Yes, he tried desperately to save Lal's life. So he could continue to assert his right to exploit her for his own gain. He wasn't trying to save a life; he was trying to preserve an opportunity, and then he was sad when the opportunity was lost, despite his best efforts. That's all Lal ever was to him; an opportunity, just as Data was an opportunity in the eyes of Maddox. It's sad to think that, even in the 24th century, there are still human beings who can't help themselves but seek to exploit others for their own ends.

@Helbore

5 ай бұрын

@@hydroknight01 I think there was more to it than that. He seemed genuinely upset by Lal's impending death and also emotionally moved by Data's determination to save her. He may have come in with cynical intentions, but much like Maddox, his interactions with Data altered his perspective.

@tonk3878

Күн бұрын

@@annehaight9963Are you evil?

What I like about admiral, is that he initially attempts to be formal and curteous. He gives his reasons which are not exactly all wrong. Aso "contributing member of the society" - .... those were the days.

The amazing writing on morality in startrek next gen has always been what brought me back, it has so much more organic feelings than the other seasons in my opinion

Scenes like this are why I think the synth ban in the Picard show wasn’t really out of character for the Federation. This guy had the approval of Starfleet command, so did Bruce Maddox in Measure of a Man. The Federation has repeatedly demonstrated a prejudice against artificial life forms, and that sort of thing doesn’t just go away because a few specific individuals win victories against it. It’s a start, but what Starfleet really needed in the wake of this incident was organization-wide reforms to keep what almost happened here from happening again.

@sirius940

2 жыл бұрын

But the federation did a bad thing, they can't do a bad thing! Good people never do bad things! I like my stories in black and white, and will use this as my reason for Picard not being "real trek" despite having no clue what that means.

@piotrd.4850

Жыл бұрын

@@sirius940 There was also "Author, Author" in VOY and people actually liked NOT B&W Trek - which, mind you is NOT (blue shirt) "Picard" a.k.a Mass Effect rip-off that had wasted best plotlines and characters of TNG, by pretending they have ambitions to be W40k :P and in effect, turned into cheesy, grimderp fan service.

Personally I'm surprised that a Starfleet Admiral has the authority to order an Officer to hand over his or her child.

@clarky23

2 жыл бұрын

the problem is the Admiral doesn't see her as Data's child, he sees her as a piece of property. It's no different than someone saying they believe in free choice and free will, then insisting they go through a medical procedure they do not agree with. So So SO many scenes in STTNG are coming to light in today's world. We would all do good to take a breath, step back and really examine how far we have fallen.

@matasa7463

2 жыл бұрын

@@clarky23 I hope one day, when we do have Data and Lal walking around, we'll treat them with some kindness.

@ernestgalvan9037

2 жыл бұрын

@@clarky23 … Mr Spock - “The Needs of the Many Outweigh the Needs of the Few, or One” Capt Kirk - “But there are Times When the Needs of the One, Outweigh the Needs of the Many” “Demanding Your Rights, while Refusing Your Responsibilities, is not Patriotic… It s Childish Jealousy’

@donovanulrich348

2 жыл бұрын

LT hand me that phaser LT, i am confiscating your phaser LT, hand me your synthetic child Same thing, different inflection if you see the Androids as people

@stevencramsie9172

5 ай бұрын

In fairness, this was uncharted waters - same with 'Measure of a Man'. Neither "bad guy" inherently thought they were doing anything unjust. They just had to be shown they were wrong.

"Dammit Counselor, I was in the middle of a particularly good speech!"

The slight twitch in Data's left eye as he's processing the Admiral's instruction to turn over Lal is great. For Data, that's like a scream of rage.

this episode hits hard with the age that we live in now.

And this is why ST is such a pearl : it shows human dilemma's as no other series does. Look at what the world is turning to. We, as parents, must fight for our children. To protect them from the government. 🤝🇳🇱

@rareosts5752

2 жыл бұрын

Never trust a government.

@mechanomics2649

9 ай бұрын

Sure buddy.

"That is a fine argument." I love the sarcasm.

@timewarpdrive77

Ай бұрын

I don't think that's sarcasm. He's wrong overall, but that is fine point by itself

when starfleet admirals really jumped into the groomer role without hesitation....

Hadn't they already decided Data had rights by this point? He could've just resigned & kicked rocks

"You're not a parent." That is absolute nonsense. If he was, then he'd know that a child needs to be nurtured by their parents. There is a time, yes, when offspring need to leave the nest, but that is when they've learned to be on their own.

@muhammadfahmi7159

4 ай бұрын

My own parents have taught me that when come to certain things, u don't have to be a parent to know these things. When someone say, u are not parent, they will say that to cover their own stupidity or incompentents.

This was real Star Trek. Honor and duty 💪🏼

I remember in another episode that Data, while captaining a ship against the Romulans, defied orders to catch them trying to sneak by. He has shown capacity to fully ignore orders to pursue a better outcome. Guess the writers hadn't decided he could do that by this point.

Man, I wanna bust this guy up so bad. For all the sentimental rubbish he spews out about being a father and knowing what’s best for children, he has no qualms about taking another man’s child away from him. Bet the admiral wouldn’t have handed over his own children while they were still little kids or teenagers just because Starfleet came up to him and said, “We don’t think you can raise your kids as well as we can. (Also we’d like to experiment on your child.)”

@troyjollimore4100

2 жыл бұрын

“Admiral, that is a fine argument.” Even Picard concedes there are very good reasons for the Admiral to want the Android to study. But, all they needed to do was transfer Data to the facility as well. But… Narrative Imperative. They had to have a story.

@Zoloft77

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe he did? To a Section 31.

@troyjollimore4100

2 жыл бұрын

@Reak Swuft It was a fake argument. You’ll meet certain people that will have an agenda, or want something. They will latch onto and leverage any argument or reason that will possibly further attaining that goal. No matter how inane, silly or hypocritical it makes them out to be. The Admiral never cared about ‘both Soong-type androids being on the same ship’.

@compmanio36

2 жыл бұрын

For all their claims about being advanced and beyond the moral flaws of man in the 20th century in which this show aired, Star Trek repeatedly shows that bigotry of what they can consider a "non person" still very much exists. This would be the second time Data was treated as a thing with no rights. Even today's modern military would not just blindly say "Hand us over your child, or else." At least I'd like to think so....

@Zoloft77

2 жыл бұрын

@@compmanio36 And also that advanced humans from a United Earth can devolve into a chaotic mess. Looking at Turkana IV.

How would Admiral Haftel like it if Starfleet ordered him to hand his children over to them? I don't think he would like that at all.

@Orionmatrix2015

2 жыл бұрын

Thats true, but the Admiral was doing what Madox did years before, not seeing Data or Lal as sentient beings with the right to choose. Picard summed it up perfectly: You acknowledge their sentience, but curtail their personal liberties and freedom. Basicaly, Haftel accepted that they were alive, but did not consider them to be free, he is probably part of a large number of starfleet officers who considered Data and Lal to be not much more than Hardware, to be requisitioned to different locations at the whim of someone far to comfortable with never hearing the phrase "You can't do that." And Picard Shut him down like a boss.

@samsticka

2 жыл бұрын

@@Orionmatrix2015 Well said.

@trevorm9178

2 жыл бұрын

He's the sort of scumbag who tell his son "if you don't go, then I have no son" like so many did during Vietnam.

In “new” Star Trek , everyone would sit around and have a good cry

When you have a child like this that knows nothing of the world and is in such desperate need of guidance and development, the only chaperone of appropriate type was Data. Any suggestion to separate them for any reason was not only both scientifically flawed but cruel.

If starfleet came to take your child away Admiral, you’d shove them through an airlock. If you try to take this man’s child from him, as his captain, I will shove YOU through an airlock. Is that quite clear, Admiral?

@notsm

2 жыл бұрын

As much as I agree with the sentiment, Picard very rarely uses threats of violence. It is just not the character he is and he usually doesn't need to because he is usually right. And this is very much the case in this instance.

@donovanulrich348

2 жыл бұрын

Admiral, there are over 5,000 people on board Only 250 know your still on board, and only 5 could interfere if i wanted you dead, you may want to consider Mr. Data's assistance, because hes one of the 5 that might stick up for you

@hobomike6935

2 жыл бұрын

this is TNG, where we try to resolve conflicts with words and communication and Picard is patient with people making poor decisions, even when it annoys him. if you want people getting sucked out of airlocks or thrown across a room for being an idiot, go watch DS9. sisko didn't give a flip and would hang you out to dry in an instant.

People can note all they want about how the admiral eventually realized his mistake. But that one line “I am star fleet” speaks volumes to his character and it’s disgraceful.

@donovanulrich348

2 жыл бұрын

Picard should have noted it Cuz i agree, you are defined by your lowest point and your highest So your a Admiral, with no moral compass Fuck you

Picard's smirk at 3:09... He's thinking "Chill bruh, I'm about to speech ya"

Picard's very British way of saying F around and find out