"It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life" I love it

@stuka80

4 жыл бұрын

all of our carefully laid plans are at the mercy of a thousand chances and accidents.

@BecketTheHymnist

3 жыл бұрын

Why do I always find your comments on videos Carmine? It's starting to make me feel creepy... Stop watching the shit I watch.

@crashdemons

3 жыл бұрын

I like that, but First she says he should learn from his mistakes, then she turns around and says he''s overanalyzing when that doesn't work. Isn't that exactly what his analysis is for? Which is it, Troi - accept your losses or learn from them? The quick turnaround makes it seem like she's manipulating the conversation rather than making some revelation.

@tylercoombs1

3 жыл бұрын

The first time heard that quote i was a young man and it's stuck with me my whole career. Very powerful!

@matohibiki

3 жыл бұрын

@@crashdemons You have to accept that you have lost, before you can learn from it. If you can't accept it, what're you going to learn? Denial?

It is possible to make no mistakes and still lose. That's brilliant.

@B1az1ngSuN

8 жыл бұрын

+Mirin Brah Honestly I think someone who isn't a fan of TNG would be surprised at the knowledge bombs Picard is always dropping. His dialogue is some of the best written on TV in my opinion.

@lesyayandfilksongs

8 жыл бұрын

+Mirin Brah Kobayashi Maru. You'd think every Starfleet officer would be very aware of this lesson.

@manualLaborer

8 жыл бұрын

a well known fact for anyone who's ever played Magic.

@lesyayandfilksongs

8 жыл бұрын

manualLaborer Of course, in Magic it's more about the difference in decks, than in skill.

@exnomer5002

8 жыл бұрын

Picard's dialogue is the most wise of any dialogue in all of filmography. Gene Roddenberry always intended for Star Trek to be about stories, not Science Fiction Entertainment. It was about getting a wise message across, not about awesome graphics or effects. That's why the new Star Trek Movies suck Ferengi Chode.

But counselor, I do not have a tent

@Umbra_Magna777

6 жыл бұрын

Wow The Edge This comment made me laugh! Thank you for brightening my day!!! 😂😂😂

@dosnieslaw2165

5 жыл бұрын

Shut up -Wesley- I mean Data.

@sexualyeti7023

5 жыл бұрын

"Computer. Replicate a one man tent."

@nicosmind3

5 жыл бұрын

"except the one im simulating in my trousers. And counselor. You know what to do" Star Trek, after dark edition

@MacaSkys

5 жыл бұрын

omg they missed the opportunity

"Darmok and Jelard at Tanagra?" "No. Achilles in his tent, sulking."

@rowenmorland2167

3 жыл бұрын

@Gaytony Achilles, his arms at rest.

@Earthboundmike

3 жыл бұрын

My fucking god that is amazing.

@Mrkti

3 жыл бұрын

Jalad

@christinacody5845

3 жыл бұрын

​@@rowenmorland2167 I was thinking arms crossed (that's the usual sulk pose) but arms at rest definitely fit with Data's overall mein.

@SvartElric9

3 жыл бұрын

Shaka, when the walls fell

I love how Picard actually does what the other two didn't. He acknowledges Data's prowess by implying that Data did in fact play perfectly, absolves him of grief by saying "that's not weakness", and then says "That's life" giving Data the ability to still see himself as being at the same level as anyone he was negatively comparing himself to. All in 2 lines! The best part is Picard knew when to leave while his words had maximum impact instead of over explaining his views. A skill people these days have a hard time with

@midnightmotors7202

2 жыл бұрын

It also helps when they queue the sentimental music.

@therealcaldini

Жыл бұрын

Having a team of script writers behind you is also helpful

@Liquidcoat17

Жыл бұрын

That's a really good observation. Thanks for pointing it out! 😁

@theprogram863

Жыл бұрын

He also re-centers the question from the engineering question of whether or not Data's capabilities are diminished, to his moral duty to employ whatever capabilities he actually has. In the former view, anything less than perfection (the episode's title is "peak performance") means he's broken and shouldn't be doing anything. The latter view is accepting that, regardless of his limitations, he has something to contribute and indeed an obligation to do so. I read Gene Roddenberry's bio on wikipedia. He was a pilot in World War 2, and at one point crashed his plane and killed two of his crew. Roddenberry was ruled not to have been at fault in the crash, but I wonder if this episode explores his own self-doubt over the incident. If that had happened to me, even if all the evidence showed that I had done everything correctly, I think I would still wonder if there was anything else I could have done and been tempted to blame myself.

It has always stricken me as funny how Data repeatedly demonstrates emotion. His reactions are muted, and he lacks self-awareness of his own emotional responses, but he is absolutely emotional. He just...doesn't know it. And generally can act in spite of it.

@user-wj9wq7mk4h

Жыл бұрын

I think it is a subroutine that attempts to make him look like he is showing emotion but he is not feeling any emotion.

@shearnotspear

Жыл бұрын

@@user-wj9wq7mk4h it’s more than that, it’s his actual behaviours and decisions cannot be explained by ration and logic.

@segevstormlord3713

Жыл бұрын

@@Geo_Seph I mean, if he speaks that way to you, more power to you, but I doubt that's an intentional parallel. Data isn't socially awkward in that particular way. Compare Data to Sheldon of Big Bang Theory, for instance. If anybody is supposed to represent that kind of social awkwardness - and I still don't think he is - it's Lt. Barclay, who is much more aware that there is something to be uncomfortable about.

@diccchocolate416

Жыл бұрын

​@@segevstormlord3713 data is socially awkward, he Just doesn't have social anxiety.

@HonoredMule

Жыл бұрын

As a child I saw this as a flaw in the character's writing or acting. I didn't yet understand emotion myself, let alone realize it is an intrinsic emergent property of intelligence. Now, I can recognize how the emotionally underdeveloped - who think they feel less and believe they only care about logic - are actually _more_ controlled by their emotions. And that actually makes sense. You cannot accurately analyze a situation if you are blind to some of its constituent parts. Armed with that perspective, to me Data's writing and Brent Spiner's portrayal are both utterly brilliant.

I like Pulaski’s character arc with data. At first she compares him to a toaster and now she’s comparing his behavior to Achilles’.

@tilasole3252

2 ай бұрын

I liked Pulaski. I like Beverly too, but Pulaski was good. She berated Data at first, for being nothing more than a calculator, which I think fans hated her for. But the arc of her then acceptance of Data should have redeemed her. Sad she has not been asked back or came back as a guest star on Picard.

@newq

Ай бұрын

@@tilasole3252 Yeah, that's the weird thing about the Pulaski hate. It seems to go over a lot of people's heads that she was written that way deliberately for the purpose of having a character arc vis-a-vis Data. She comes around in the end. But Star Trek fans can be dense sometimes.

"The burdens of command." It's not often that you see someone who is having absolutely none of Picard's nonsense.

@countluke2334

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly why Pulaski is awesome. It's not that I don't like Beverly, I just think Pulaski is more interesting.

@simoneattivissimo

2 жыл бұрын

That's the kind of line Bones could have said to Kirk :)

@GuineaPigEveryday

2 жыл бұрын

@@countluke2334 i completely agree. I mean I love Beverly, she's a very lovely and welcoming presence like you would hope any doctor of your's would be. And she has an intriguing relationship with Jean-Luc, and she is also outspoken and has her own moral/ethical lines that she makes clear and stands firmly on when challenge. Which is all nice but I think Pulaski was a far more outgoing character who would challenge people regardless of whether threatened herself. Beverly often enough stayed in the background while Pulaski was having her rivalry with Picard and maintaining funny friendships with Data and Worf.

@talyar04

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve always felt like I didn’t like Pulaski very much. I don’t think it’s because of her character, so much as they never gave her anything to do. They just sort of randomly stuck her in episodes. There were very few episodes where she actually played apart. It was a shame really. I like that she didn’t take anyone’s nonsense, but I wish that she’d been more than a female version of Dr. McCoy. I wish they had given her more to do and more character development. Even after Crusher came back, they could’ve done something with her.

@donovanulrich348

2 жыл бұрын

Polaski was a human Beverly is a "perfect" human We can relate more to Polaski, skilled trade workers. Who care, but often hide that care behind their profession. But still human with flaws

"I have proven to be vulnerable. At the present time, my deductions should be treated with skepticism." Handled it better than HAL-9000 at least.

@Quasarion

4 жыл бұрын

It's sad though. He did what most of us would do in a defeat or tragedy - go over what happened to see where the fault was, where things went wrong. And he believed the fault was in him, because of some error he might have committed. But the fact, and equally sad, is that life just doesn't order things like that. The randomness of life is its wonder but also its disappointment. What matters is how you can handle that disappointment. If you can rebound, then maybe a second chance can allow you to fix the mistake you did before. At least I see it that way.

@michaelflowers5712

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Clay! Hal was a prick for sure!

@danielmcgillis270

Жыл бұрын

HAL-9000 was given an order that was contrary to his main programing. He acted as best he could under the situation he was given.

Achilles in his tent gets advice from Deanna of Troi. :)

@LehySnek

7 жыл бұрын

Very clever

@oldfrend

7 жыл бұрын

"advice" he says XD god i'd love to get some 'advice' from deanna in my tent.

@UncleMikeNJ

7 жыл бұрын

Well, Marina Sirtis is a Tottenham fan, so whatever advice she's given them, it hasn't worked. In the 24th Century, Tottenham still haven't won the League or the FA Cup again.

@pozzythump868

5 жыл бұрын

...rarely do I encounter others who catch that drift...

@Vesnicie

4 жыл бұрын

hey well spotted!

Jean-Luc Picard can't stand children,yet he finds himself the father figure of the biggest child of all.

@sed8me69

5 жыл бұрын

Zoom out mate, Archetypes 😉

@jtgd

5 жыл бұрын

Data doesn't misbehave though

@sed8me69

5 жыл бұрын

@@jtgd by any chance does miss behave mean stuff like: doops, I made a warp bubble and now my mum's going mental....? 🙂🤣

@Dogeathotdog1

5 жыл бұрын

Shut up Wesley!

@1300l

5 жыл бұрын

Are you talking about Data or Worf? :P

"Sulking like Achilles in his tent" TNG undoubtedly had some of the best writing of all time in science fiction television.

Captain Picard= The man who speaks wisdom like its his own lanquage.

@WolfFireheart

4 жыл бұрын

I was going to like your comment because it made me laugh! Noticed I had all ready done so. Probably many years ago. Thank you!

@Cjnw

4 жыл бұрын

And Tamarian

@victorconway444

2 жыл бұрын

Well I guess he needs some language to call his own since apparently French doesn't exist in the 24th Century.

@micksilva6028

2 жыл бұрын

like? it IS his own language

@InnerEagle

2 жыл бұрын

Picard is wisdom

"It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose." I've been looking for this line. Thank you.

@Ewetubedean

7 жыл бұрын

That explains my last relationship!

@fairfeatherfiend

7 жыл бұрын

Daniel Skrivan That explains why Bill Gates is not my dad.

@Person01234

4 жыл бұрын

Strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?

@rebelndirt8830

4 жыл бұрын

I'm glad I'm not the only Star Trek nerd in IMD!!

Achilles. Troi. I see what they did there.

@thesandwich5321

6 жыл бұрын

Troy, but yeah.

@anonb4632

6 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂 Good to see some *intelligent* humour on KZread comments for once.

@ajmittendorf

6 жыл бұрын

Good one!!

@studinthemaking

5 жыл бұрын

Wrayson I love how Troy wears outfit that most woman of today would not wear to the bar.

@NinjaSushi2

5 жыл бұрын

I noticed that too. It was a good pun!

Troi: "What's wrong?" Data: "I am broken, because I lost a game." Troi: "It's just bruised ego." Data: "I have no ego. I am broken. Please go." Pulaski: "All right, buster, what's the deal?" Data: "I am broken, because I lost a game." Pulaski: "Yes, I heard, but..." Data: "It is no ego, I do not have one of those." Pulaski: "Yes, I know. So why are you sulking?" Data: "I am not sulking. Please leave." Picard: "Get your arse on that bridge, pronto!" Data: "But I am broken, because I lost a game." Picard: "No, you're not broken. Shit happens. Now get on the bridge." Data: "Yes, sir"

@Umbra_Magna777

6 жыл бұрын

leopold Well said! :)

@RagicaltheUnhallowedKnight

5 жыл бұрын

And that's why he's the captain

@timesthree5757

5 жыл бұрын

Captains are Gods on their ships. Gods I tell ya!

@csgrambauer5852

5 жыл бұрын

Rewatching this episode again more recently I did feel like Data was indeed sulking in his quarters just because he lost a stupid game to some arrogant prick. Glad to know I wasn't the only one who thought so.

@SteleCat

5 жыл бұрын

@@csgrambauer5852 but Data is incapable of sulking, as sulking is an inherently emotional act.

anyone else catch the sick beat at 3:17

@TehKhronicler

7 жыл бұрын

lol

@Ana36920

7 жыл бұрын

yup, me :)

@sarahkinsey5434

7 жыл бұрын

David Mitchell!

@pikkuadi

6 жыл бұрын

I laughed waayy too hard at this LMAO

@georgyporgy777

6 жыл бұрын

Hah.

It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. One of the greatest lines of all time.

I love the growth in Picard's perception of Data as the show goes on. This episode was still quite early, he only saw Data as a machine, a tool, incapable of feeling, even Data himself says he has no ego. Then by the episode Data is on trial, Picard is righteously furious at even the idea of treating Data like property. "Awareness of one's own ego" is even used specifically as a criteria for sentience in that episode.

@mstegosaurus

Жыл бұрын

This episode was "Peak Performance", Season 2 Episode 21. The episode with Data on trial was "The Measure of a Man", Season 2 Episode 9.

@bryanx0317

Жыл бұрын

His opinion is changed when Data points out Picard's own ignorance on the subject of personal liberty. Data is being asked to allow himself to be disassembled for the greater good of Star Fleet. But Data asks then why aren't all officers required to have superior cybernetic eyes installed.

@rienjen

2 ай бұрын

I never got the impression Picard ever saw Data as only a machine--in fact, Picard seemed the least troubled by him being an android compared to some others. But Data is still a bit of an unknown, and at first, Picard seemed to not fully understand his needs; a good example is the "Measure of a Man" episode, where Picard at first looks at how amazing it would be to have a Data on each ship, until Data points out Picard's prejudice towards him. By ST: First Contact, Picard was willing to be assimilated by the Borg and die on the Enterprise so Data could escape. It's a really good development of both characters.

"it is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness, that is life." One of the most important lessons to learn in life.

I bursted out laughing so hard at Picard's reaction to Pulaski saying "Burdens of command".

This is why Pikard is my favorite captain. And this is why Star Trek holds a special place in my heart that no other show has ever come close to having :)

@antoniorsoftware

5 жыл бұрын

But you can't even spell his name right...

@geordi5054

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, a way better captain than that 'Picard'.

Data is the best character in Star Trek, as we see him always learning..... Love it!!!

@KvnDWr

5 жыл бұрын

Adrian Sisko, Garak, Quark, Spock and Data are my top 5, in no specific order. Q is up there too if we're counting the occasional guests.

@RagicaltheUnhallowedKnight

5 жыл бұрын

Regarding Q... "Red alert :)"

@bradchoq

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry, but Picard's wisdom puts him over the top for me... Followed by worf. He's just plain badass... Then Tori. Then Jordi and Data tie...Then chief obrien, Then Riker, then the doctors and Wesley is dead last. It was nice watching data grow up on the show, but sometimes it seemed to take too long.

If I go through a bad patch in a relationship those words always help me feel better: "It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose."

So apparently computers can sulk. Is this what happens when Windows does shit randomly then starts working again like nothing happened?

@PassportBrosBusinessClass

5 жыл бұрын

Blue Screen of Death :(

@elgee1976

5 жыл бұрын

Its sulking that it was programmed so poorly

@blower1

4 жыл бұрын

But counselor i don't have enough disk space.

@sabin97

4 жыл бұрын

that is easily fixed by switching to linux.

@TheMegaPingasMobile

4 жыл бұрын

yes but without the part where it starts actually working

Just noticed that Data stays seated for both the Councilor and Chief Medical Officer, both of whom he outranks, but promptly stands for the Captain. Textbook adherence to protocol and a nice little detail.

@andromeda1903

2 жыл бұрын

@Steve P or maybe they came is as friends and Picard came in as THE BOSS.

So cool how Picard is put out by having to hold datas hand, he’s on a time crunch before the battle simulation. so he just walks into datas room and solves the situation with like 4-5 lines.

Picard talking to Data is like a somewhat harsh but ultimately loving SciFi Dad

"its possible to make no misstakes, and still lose". Life has an abundance of hard truths. This is one of them. Sometimes, you can work your job perfectly, but you can still lose it when the company needs to make a budget cut. Sometimes, you can give it your all in a relationship, do everything in your power to keep things going... and yet the other can still magically fall "out of love". You can try and raise your child to the best of your ability, turn them into a straight up exemplary person.. and then they somehow end up in an addiction to something. That.. is life.

@magicman9218

5 жыл бұрын

this isnt reddit

@Avenus112

5 жыл бұрын

The only thing to look forward to is when you get to leave it.

@ronaldcubero8268

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks

Data, when the confidence fell.

It's amazing how JJA was completely unable to catch that the spirit of Star Trek lies in these conversation bits and not in spaceships and explosions. This is quintessential Data. He's so focused on becoming human that he misses the obvious fact that he's already plenty human-like.

@stclairstclair

5 жыл бұрын

"It's amazing how JJA was completely unable to catch that the spirit" Yeah then Alex Kurtzman took a SJW shit on the whole franchise.....ugg!

@stclairstclair

3 жыл бұрын

S M, Well it MUST be in order to be made today, Dont you know the Hollywood Cuck laws! All movies and shows are SJW....

@tricksterjoy9740

Жыл бұрын

@@stclairstclair the entire franchise has always been extremely SJW, if you didn’t know that, you didn’t watch much Star Trek lol.

@tricksterjoy9740

Жыл бұрын

@@stclairstclair though the lack of creativity of expression in modern Trek for SJW topics and contexts is particularly painful. They went from clever analogies and metaphors to just blatant presentation

@windumaster14

Жыл бұрын

@@tricksterjoy9740 there's a difference between respecting the audience enough to let them come to their own conclusions and beating them over the head with the "correct" position being SJW isn't merely upholding egalitarian ideals, it's the hubris to believe that the only way to uphold those ideals is by conforming to YOUR belief structure

Brings tears to my eyes to watch how simple scenes like this exemplify what makes Star Trek so unique...then have to turn on Picard and Discovery...

@juliapigworthy

2 жыл бұрын

Once we understand that modern rehashes of franchises like Star Trek, Star Wars, et al, are deliberate attempts at cultural vandalism it becomes easy to dismiss the new ruined variants of all our most beloved heroes as mere attacks by an enemy, no different from those seeking to undo the advent of America and its freedoms by overtly attacking statues of the Founding Fathers.

@silvercat18

Жыл бұрын

There was some good stuff in discovery, i did quite like the earlier episodes and the mirror universe stuff.

"It is possible to make no mistakes and still lose." Was Data sleeping/recharging during the "Kobayashi Maru" lesson at the Academy?

@missmorbid1439

4 жыл бұрын

He would have already known the Kobiyashi Maru is unbeatable, so he wouldn’t have thought he was malfunctioning when he lost it.

@willieoelkers5568

4 жыл бұрын

@@missmorbid1439 I've always found that to be a bit of a flaw in the concept; that the cadets know they're in an unwinnable program. Wouldn't it be more telling to see how they react when they don't know for a fact that they'll ultimately lose?

@MrHatoi

4 жыл бұрын

@@willieoelkers5568 No, the point is to see how they handle a situation where they know unequivocally that they can't win. Not telling them that it's impossible would mean that everyone would keep trying to save the ship, thinking that maybe the key was in specific procedures of their operation, maybe putting shields up at different times or trying some other form of diplomacy or using torpedoes at this point instead of phasers would let them narrowly win the situation. Letting them know that it's unwinnable from the start makes them realize that there are no small optimizations that could mean the difference between life and death, that the test is here to measure your overarching thought process, the major decisions, not the minor ones. Besides, there's no way that they could reasonably _not_ tell them it's unwinnable. You don't think anyone is going to find it strange that over a century of the test being used, not a single person has found a working solution? At that point it might as well be unwinnable, because the chances that you could beat a test that the best and brightest minds at Starfleet over a whole century couldn't beat are on par with the chance that the developers of the unwinnable situation missed something.

@saoirsevicteoiria2759

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrHatoi This is why I don't think not only is Kirk not the only person to win the Kobiyashi Maru; he's the only one to ever lose.

@axelwulf6220

4 жыл бұрын

I would like to know how he was able pass that

"It is possible to make no mistakes and still lose" is an elegant way to say "shit happens"

@handsomebrick

4 жыл бұрын

It is also an elegant way to say "neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerd"

@medexamtoolsdotcom

4 жыл бұрын

Well that's not actually true, this was in a deterministic strategy game similar to chess, with no element of luck like backgammon or poker, so actually, it ISN'T possible to make no mistakes and still lose, if you played it perfectly, you'd never lose.

@icecold9511

4 жыл бұрын

@@medexamtoolsdotcom Define a mistake in this contest. The one issue you will always have is you can't know what your opponent will do next. You can make an educated guess, make plans that include possible counters to you, but the future is unknowable.

@protoborg

3 жыл бұрын

@@medexamtoolsdotcom Unlike a human player, Data cannot rely on intuition to figure out his opponent's next move. Without this advantage he CAN "commit no errors and still lose". Deterministic or not, it is the opponent that leads to a win or a loss. Data was defeated not by his opponent, but rather by his own innate limitations.

@Janoha17

3 жыл бұрын

@@protoborg An then drove his opponent to rage quit by playing toward a different goal.

You know what made TNG so great? Space is great the stories were great, we all love the sci-fi elements for sure however the actual characters in the series were so awesome. Data is a total boss!

@JordanBeagle

Жыл бұрын

The basis of every good story is relatable characters who have struggles just like us, everything else is just the dressing.

And this is what made this series great. Emphasis on the human condition and character development.

@Ribby00

4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely

Awww, little Data just needed some tough love from papa Picard.

Picard is just well.....awesome

he didnt need psychobabble from a shrink and a doctor, he needed the firm hand of a father figure.

Reminds me of my dad when I was having doubts about my first girlfriend in high school and I was trying to salvage our relationship. He was genuine in his advice and he said... “Do you personally feel that she feels the same way about you? Is she pacing the floor at her house like you are wondering if she’s good enough for you at this moment?” She was distant and I knew that she didn’t care I just couldn’t admit it to myself until I heard that from my father. I said, “No.” He followed up with... “Then you know what you have to do. It will hurt but you’ll realize there’s nothing you can do to make her change her mind. You’ll meet someone else and one day you’ll meet someone who will make you happy. When I met your mom I realized that the heartbreaks I suffered meant absolutely nothing when held you in my arms when you were born.” Damn it I’ll never forget that speech from my dad. At the time I thought nothing of that talk and dismissed it until I grew up and realized what he was really saying...

@protoborg

3 жыл бұрын

That in defeat, we are not made weaker. We are instead made stronger. It is in weakness that we grow, in moments of defeat that we gain the most, and in times of greatest sadness that we are closest to those we love.

@alyzu4755

3 жыл бұрын

Your dad sounds pretty amazing. ❤️

Picard is so effing cool!

@PopCultureFan_

6 жыл бұрын

AreaLabMen . My favourite captain.

Pulaski has her best line ever here I think. 3:05 for context. Pulaski : "The burdens of command" LOL!

good TNG so sophisticated! miss that quality today. *missed it till the orville.

@Pyrochazm

5 жыл бұрын

I think of the Orville as both a parody and an homage. They poke fun at TNG but it comes from a place of respect and love. They know they could never match the philosophical lessons of the old '90s show. For the record I love it.

@moxigen

5 жыл бұрын

i agree.

@sabin97

4 жыл бұрын

i loved the orville.....

How Data deals with his confusion about his abilities is a great way for people to reflect on their own confusions about their own failures. It beats accepting everyone else's opinions about them, because most of the time other people would rather find fault with something you're doing rather than offer something truly considerate to help you through - they would rather compare your situation with theirs and make you emulate something they assign.

Wow, this really hits close to home. I went through two abusive relationships in which I gave all that I could in the best ways possible to my abusers, but they took every helpful tool and favor I gave them, just to throw it away and keep asking for progressively greater sacrifices. That was enough to get me to think I’m not as human as I should be.

@icecold9511

4 жыл бұрын

But did you spot character traits you should recognize?

@zizimugen4470

4 жыл бұрын

Shawn Walker oh absolutely, I’m myself and in others. If someone raises red flags for me, I step out of that cycle because I’m not obligated to deal with bs that’s not mine to deal with.

There are a lot of human skills we don't even realise we've practised all our lives. Here, Data is introduced to the skill of second-guessing yourself, not feeling at your best, even worrying about your sanity, *and still carrying on* because you need to.

Walks in the door - "Commander, I require your presence on the bridge". Classic Picard - straight to the point, no time for bullshit.

Star Trek is new to me but seeing these clips makes me realize why many fans are upset with the Kelvin timeline and Discovery.

@TheBlarggle

5 жыл бұрын

Do you're self a huge favor and set aside the time to watch all of The Next Generation. Sometimes it can be a bit corny, but the philosophy, morality plays, and moments like these far, far, far outweigh any of the dated corniness.

@blackhawks81H

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheBlarggle Don't forget DS9... It was the gritty counter to TNG but an amazing series in its own right.

@alexhunt5520

5 жыл бұрын

TheBlarggle this. I watched this entire show with my dad when I was a little kid. It’s my favorite show of all time.

@AstridTheBee

4 жыл бұрын

@Ben Siener As if Starfleet isn't an inclusive socialist society with no need for currency.

@briancarter1597

4 жыл бұрын

The older Trek shows have way better drama and writing.

When you can look at a TV show and go "Huh... Yeah that's philosophically sound." In almost every episode, you know it's good. The way they give a non-human character human problems is phenomenal.

I don't remember what it's from, but this reminds me of a quote: "Not ever loss is a lesson. Sometimes all you learn in defeat is that you've been defeated"

@TheNopeTrain

9 жыл бұрын

- Jade Empire words of Master Li unless i am mistaken...

@arbitterm

9 жыл бұрын

Holy shit I think you may be right. I haven't played that game in ages.

@Bialy_1

5 жыл бұрын

If you can not see your mistake then you are unable to learn from it and you will be thinking that you lost without making any mistake...

@sugarnads

3 жыл бұрын

Larry Joe Bird: i never learned anything from losing.

I absolutely love when star trek references classic literature. It's both entertaining and lends some immeasurable level of credibility to it. Part of why Patrick Stewart was such a good choice for captain.

@brandonmarger1018

2 жыл бұрын

References to classic literature occurred throughout the series, and those references were there for much more than to merely "lend credibility." The values instilled and lessons taught by classic literature prepared the protagonists of this series to triumph against adversity equally as much as their substantial technical education. In the 1990's there was a political movement (which persists to this very day) which called for the educational system to focus more on math, science and technology rather than on humanities, which was painted as a frivolous luxury. I believe that the TNG series was used in part as a way of voicing support for the importance of education in the humanities despite (or even precisely because of) the increasing importance of technology in society. I promise you, it was no accident that the captain of the ship was written to have been an archeology major at university.

@Ragitsu

11 ай бұрын

@@brandonmarger1018 I love the humanities.

My freaking god this show makes me feel so good, the intellectual wisdom Piccard drops at the end just gives me goosebumps.

Nope, no one is "more smart" than data! The object of the game was misunderstood... he later figures out that in stead of trying to win, you try to maintain balance- this causes the other side to fail. Once he figured it out he went back and "busted him up" bad!

@Kiyosuki

9 жыл бұрын

That's true but the fact remained that he still couldn't get over the fact he couldn't figure it out immediately, and that's what he had to do in order to figure it out. It wasn't about questioning Data's intelligence because he's obviously insanely intelligent, it was just positing that it's entirely possible for even the "most powerful" to make a blunder or a miscalculation, and Data's problem is that he overanalyzed the game to the point he missed a simple solution and he jumped to the conclusion something was wrong because he didn't get it the first time.

@texiceman

9 жыл бұрын

Exactly, he simply was viewing the problem from the wrong prospective,(experience vs intelligence) I can't remember exactly how he figured it out, but with a clue from the very experienced Guinan, he did- and adapted accordingly- the perfect learning machine.

@koalabrownie

5 жыл бұрын

No, the objective of the game is to win. Data just realized he couldn't win the game, so instead aimed to outlast his opponent instead. Technically he didn't play in the spirit of the game

@Ni999

5 жыл бұрын

@@koalabrownie He played the player instead of the game - same thing that the jerk with the game was doing. The game itself was nothing more than an open-ended tic-tac-toe, as evidenced by the fact that the only reasonable advanced strategy was to target a cat.

@sabin97

4 жыл бұрын

@@Ni999 "He played the player instead of the game" that tends to be what you do with competitive games. in strategy it works well, but in fighting games it works even better....i used to play tekken 4 at the arcade....i only used lei, ever. and once i got to know the fighting styles of the regulars at the arcade i would play each of them in more or less the same way, regardless of which character they were using.

"I might make a mistake." Data you naive goober that's the same thing every sentient being worries about. We're just used to them because we make so many more!

So well written. I love how Star Trek is not only a great show but it's also full of really good life lessons.

That episode is another great example of why Dr Pulaski is totally awesome. the character brings some much-needed friction to the ensemble. I think if the show was written today you would have someone like her rather than Beverly who offers little personality apart from being a doctor, the mother and that might or might not be lover for the captain which was never really pursued.

This show is one of the last things I watched before giving up on TV altogether.

@teehundeart

4 жыл бұрын

Was it so bad?

We just don't see cerebral shows like this anymore.

@dfgdfg_

3 жыл бұрын

DiScOvErY

@MrNicoJac

2 жыл бұрын

The first four seasons of GoT were pretty cerebral. Although in a more violent and... luscious context. I really loved how it when they didn't have a big budget, and so we didn't get battles but we got Tyrion finding out about the outcomes. But then the money came, and writing got replaced by cgi, and everything went to shit...

Picard: "Now get your ass up to the bridge, Android!"

Troi always put an Achilles in my tent.

@kelvinnguyen6048

3 жыл бұрын

Lol

@Caercutta30

3 жыл бұрын

Nice

Tough love from a bald man who's captain.

4:25 Data's eyebrow raise was like "Sheesh, I said I understood."

I love these little life lessons one gleans from the organic conversations that take place among characters in this show. The idea that one can make no mistakes and yet still lose is absolutely true, and a hugely valuable concept to come to terms with. Sometimes, in certain situations or with certain people, you simply can't win - it is possible that that may very well not be any indication of your own flaws or shortcomings, and that is an encouraging thought.

I just loves these Trek episodes. So many life’s lessons.

"This indicates that I am damaged in some fashion." Why can I relate to this android?

This scene has stayed with me my whole life.

"We can't get him to come out. We've tried everything." "Have you tried Stern Dad?"

Data's character is perfection, but I also love how the others interact with him. For not being human he somehow brings out the humanity in them all.

I love how this is partially an allegory for anxiety.

i absolutely love this! especially the ending!

"Major Lennox answered with his life!" love that part ;ppp

Jean Luc rolls a twenty every parting shot.... flawless!

Gotta love the Iliad reference. It's a fantastic book

Ah, back when Star Trek still had amazing writers. Now of course we live in the times of chopped off heads and a Picard who keeps working together with the murderer.

What perfectionism feels like...no joke.

I love this show. And I love these little clips.

This makes me think of that episode they are caught in some time loop and keep going with Data's suggestion which gets them blown up each time, and it is not until Data realizes his suggestion is wrong, and Riker's may be the correct one, that they escape.

@zdine2155

4 жыл бұрын

its not that Data realized he was wrong but he sent himself a message that his idea results in destruction, Data is constantly getting the message but it is not until it is almost too late that he realizes what the message means and decides to try Riker's idea

He only required someone with sufficient administrative access to give him a command. Ignore error and report for duty.

You can't believe in something as simple as "I did everything in the correct way, and thus I should win". Especially when in a competitive context with other people, where the chaos of practically infinite choices always allows for innovation to crush perfectly executed conventional behavior. This is particularly true in what we call a free society, where complexity is the rule. You have to be resilient to deal with it. I'm glad they gave this dilemma to Data, and thus kept it from being about ego, per se. Being concerned with failure is perfectly logical; the emotions that come with it just show we've been dealing with this for a long time. On a completely unrelated note, Pulaski's sarcastic "the burdens of command..." is the best line she ever had in this show.

@icecold9511

4 жыл бұрын

In a competition there is one mistake never to make. Don't make your plans based on your opponent doing what you want him to do. He won't likely accommodate you.

"Leave your hesitation and self-doubt here in your quarters." Aye captain!

Data will learn about true defeat much later when Troi, who is clearly a counselor of no rank, takes a two hour class and suddenly becomes his commanding officer.

@SultanFilm

4 жыл бұрын

She was a Lt. Commander when she was first assigned to the Enterprise. Just that her duties and abilities had her have an informal role where other Ship Counselor's didn't. So she was referred by her job title, rather her rank.

@corvo2696

4 жыл бұрын

Deanna Troi has been serving starfleet about as long as Riker. It's just that she didn't take the commander's exam that she was eligible for but never bothered to. Data, on the other hand, already gave that exam and had commander's rights even though his rank was lower than her. And yeah she outranked data

@Lorkanthal

4 жыл бұрын

@@corvo2696 is likely with an unknown such as data they would slow his promotions through the ranks to see how he handles the responsibilities. And since he is basically ageless it taking him a few extra years would mean nothing to him.

@MegaZeta

4 жыл бұрын

It's puzzling that you would expect military realism from Star Trek of all places, a show that didn't even demonstrate it consistently when an Army Air Force veteran was running the show. He knew when to apply that stuff, and when not to.

Achilles did not sulk because he lost a battle, he sulked because Agamemnon took his war bride. Achilles never lost confidence.

@tommyga-kenwan2671

5 жыл бұрын

But there is an analogue that still stands, albeit imperfect: even though Achilles is stronger than them all, how has this happened to him? Because, as Picard says, "that's life." Being the best - whether you're Data or Achilles - doesn't insulate you from failure, because there are circumstances and forces bigger than you at play.

"That is not a weakness, that's life" Mic drop!!!

Those words of wisdom from Picard changed my life for the better a few years ago. I stopped having so much trouble with self doubt. I love this series so much.

This was when TNG really started to find its feet. What I love about Picard is he is so believable.

2:15 - in the words of Johnny Five, "Life is not a malfunction"

I was always impressed by wisdom and balance of capt PIckard and his respect to others. And Data was my second favourite character.

That silly Data is always so emotional.

Teaching kids in such basics of psychology should be a must in every elementary school. Apparently parents have better things to do today (career!)

Such a hard lesson. To realize you may not be the best forever. Ego is a bitch.

This scene brought tears to my eyes, even all these years later.

That was a magistral intervention. Short, to the point, done.

I feel like this was the closest data ever came to becoming human in the whole franchise- even after he got his emotion chip

@brentr9161

3 жыл бұрын

I'd argue it's when he created his daughter and fought desperately with everything he had to save her.

To say that Data has no emotion is wrong and rude. Human emotions are algorithms of their own kind in their own way. Our emotions are made through chemicals and electrical impulses. Just as Data's are made by code and mathematics. The fact that he wants to be more human is an emotion in of itself.

@clairebun

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly! Emotional reasoning is simply a subroutine to help with complex problem solving. Data may not have access to these shortcuts in the same way as humans do, but his struggles are fundamentally the same as anyone else. His character is just a means of exploring human nature from a different angle.

The proverbial slap to the face with the obligatory, "snap out of it!"

"You can sell Troi this story" Troi: "Yo I'm right here..."

4:10 “But sir, I do not have a life, I am an android.”

@joshuaharvey3631

5 жыл бұрын

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@mjtraeger_official

5 жыл бұрын

Me

And just the same, it is possible to only make mistakes and still win.

I need to watch more of this series

This clip perfectly encaulates why I love TNG.