This last theme is probably the most "epic positive vibe" Fromsoft has ever composed. It feels so hopeful, that's not common at all

@ThiagoCRocha-fh6lg

Ай бұрын

the Main Title is already completly different from any other games and that final song is just another step farther into hapiness. It's actually unsetling

@rauqui5318

Ай бұрын

extremely sus, are we getting a positive ending or is it a bait and switch

@jonissues1914

Ай бұрын

I mean, the Elden Ring theme its like a victorious and hopeful version of Demon's souls's theme, so maybe they are doing something there.

@Slow1337ex

Ай бұрын

it's not exactly purely positive or happy. It's hopeful, heroic, but there's still a hint of a conflict in it's tone. It's a song that feels like it's going to play in a final confrontation, and/or represent a character's ideals and fight. Which means... Miquella boss fight?

@dev4159

Ай бұрын

yet the DLC is the closest to Berserk shit 😭

I feel that the three pieces used in the trailer, represent Marika, Messmer, and finally Miquella

@larcrimosalindarattana7113

Ай бұрын

And We tarnish

@nicolaslabra2225

Ай бұрын

@@larcrimosalindarattana7113 i feel like the main theme for elden ring is OUR song as the tarnished MC

@BenterKoux

Ай бұрын

Marika - Golden Order (She created it in the start of the trailer) Messmer - The Impaler (His flame is different from the flame of ambition the golden grace gives, which is more chaotic like Izalith Witches from dark souls 1) Miquella - The unalloyed (Miquella was a golden order fundamentalist, he had to see his sister rot, his half brother swallowed by incomplete death and now Miquella abandoned it all, because he couldn't help anyone close to him. He even gave away part of himself and blood to create another Haligtree to help all the races and people that were persecuted during the golden order. He embedded himself in the haligtree)

@rexalexius7556

Ай бұрын

@@BenterKoux I wonder if there is connection between Melina and Messmer, as they both use flame but in different direction. As they were polar opossities. And it would be connection to Dark Souls 3, each of them representing different ending of that game? My first thought when i heard the beggining was about Dark Souls 3 and i don't know why.

@BenterKoux

Ай бұрын

@@rexalexius7556 In the first trailer Messmer talks about his mother. It gotta be Marika. Messmer might be possibly her first born. Marika seems to have betrayed the godskins and Messmer looks like he could be a godskin in terms of his looks.

The three impaled corpses are most likely the three (probably Omen) who were "controlling" the lion chinese-dragon-costume creature seen in the previous scene

@krakenattacken8230

Ай бұрын

What a cool monster design (i know I'm going to hate fighting it)

@donteddy1858

Ай бұрын

@@krakenattacken8230 prepare your deathblight talisman ;-)

@fdhappy6930

Ай бұрын

@@krakenattacken8230 That comes from an actual chinese tradition, just not as grotesque-looking.

@nathanplumb3782

Ай бұрын

Yeah, that’s my guess

@namirakira7138

Ай бұрын

They are the lion dancers. The two people controlling each of the three lions are individually impaled.

Saying Miquellas piece is like a lullaby is very fitting. Since his alter ego is St. Trina who is tied to sleep and dreams

The Score that comes in after you see St. Trina falling into an abyss (miquella’s alter ego) and a tarnished/follower of miquella touching the grace gives me chills and genuinely brought me to tears when i heard it

@ceenewe

Ай бұрын

Just the thought of that theme being Miquella/St. Trina’s Final Boss theme gives me goosebumps.

@beepboop8446

Ай бұрын

I thought i was the only one. It was beautiful and i cant wait to listen to that 24/7 when the full version drops.

One fact a lot of people don't know: A KZreadr by the name of Antonius Tertius went through the trouble of getting into contact with various music producers and singers who worked on Elden Ring- to discover more about the faux-Latin used in the game. When researching 'The Final Battle', the producer of the Elden Beast's theme actually confirmed that when he was producing the track, it was produced under the title "Marika". Perhaps you could consider it as another signifier to the identity of the first person in the trailer.

@bandiriatraveler8343

Ай бұрын

Interesting! Also, sounds like a different recording dosen't it? Maybe we'll hear a different version relating to Marika or something Primal from that time like the Beast.

@fahimtajwaar2521

Ай бұрын

@@bandiriatraveler8343 Oh yeah, I find it VERY intriguing that they have a whole new recording for the Elden Beast Theme. If it really is an OST we’ll hear in the DLC, it begs a lot of questions what the context of the OST will be, especially if it does relate to Marika. On a side note, the first Elden Ring story trailer comprised entirely of soundtracks that we hear in the base game. I’m hoping that’ll be true for the DLC too.

@bandiriatraveler8343

Ай бұрын

@@fahimtajwaar2521 These are too produced not to be in the game, I hope!!🤣 The two new tracks are definitely boss themes. It really does feel like Messemer and Miquella's boss themes to me. Really hoping Miquella, if he's a boss, has a three phase theme like Gael. I could imagine the marching drums as a second phase on Torrent or something. Maybe we'll fight a young Marika/Elden Beast duo fight aswell? Like an an apparition or part of a Dream/Memory. Maybe St. Trina makes the shadow lands into a shifting dreamscape with memories and experiences of people.

To me, Marika's scene with the background of the Elden Beast OST stresses just how horrifying the rise of the Golden Order was. The second scene with Messmer shows the truth of how Marika's order was established. By genocide, and something so horrifying that it "could never be put to song". Those are the two sides of the coin - the connection with the cosmos and the beastly nature of power. For all of the talk we hear about the Golden Order being natural, the truth of the matter is that it was a construct created and enforced by violence. Messmer probably did something so messed up that Marika distanced herself from his actions and banished him. The scene with Miquella feels almost like a kid trying to unfu*k the wrongs of his parents. Hopeful. Moving forward. Uplifting.

@gunnarschlichting9886

Ай бұрын

My personal theory is that Messmer was a willing scapegoat. He looks like the Golden Order version of the anti-christ (flames, snakes, dragon communion) and it's almost guaranteed that the Erdtree has already been burnt down once before (currently an illusion, ash in the Capitol before we burn the tree). I believe it was likely Marika's plan (unsure of the details yet, hopefully the dlc will provide), and that Messmer willingly went along with it, so to those who know the truth he is a martyr.

@thecommentguy9380

Ай бұрын

Or the destruction of the old world was so important for the Golden Order that even he was left behind as he was the one who carried out the terrible deed

Fun fact: Miyazaki himself stated in interviews that Messmer carries a “heroism” to his character. One would assume, since he’s enacting mass genocide, that this means Messmer sees himself as a hero - for a yet to be revealed reason - in his own story. This would back up your point about the sopranos

@MarcoMeatball

Ай бұрын

all villains view themselves as heroes.

@PierceArner

Ай бұрын

One of the core themes explored with the Golden Order is that they are an eternally tyrannical establishment to all whom they don't protect (and why Rykard and the Recusants were a monstrous reflection of that where it would eventually spread to consume the world). So long as your side can portray the thing that they're fighting against as "evil" it's easy to portray your own side as heroic and righteous. This is also why the intro also explicitly mentions that when Gold arose Shadow was born from the same affair, as they're merely two sides of the exact same thing - hence Miquella's abandonment of his gold, strength, & fate in an attempt to eschew the entirety of that power structure that represents that inescapable duality of light & darkness between Gold & Shadow which are the two colors in all of the Runes.

@matiasluukkanen7718

Ай бұрын

I mean, Vlad Tepesh whom Impaler is based on is even now seen as national hero of Romania..

@KoNekoNoUta

Ай бұрын

@@matiasluukkanen7718 and he should, he defend Romania against invasion from Ottoman Empire.

@pixytorres7117

Ай бұрын

​@@matiasluukkanen7718 Tell me you don't know history without telling me you don't know history.

The impaled figures in the center screen are the lion dancers. One pike for the person controlling the upper body and the other pike for the person controlling the lower half of the lion

@krashdevaughn5360

Ай бұрын

there were 3

I apologize in advance for my English. Regarding the angelic soprano in the Messmer scene, there's actually a theory that Messmer genuinely thinks what he's doing is good. So your point about juxtaposition is a very good one.

@NemesisUmbral

Ай бұрын

That’s my take away from Marco’s analysis. Messmer definitely seems to be a character who is confident in his campaign in plunging grace and honor to nothingness. Perhaps there is something greater behind the scenes that only Messmer is aware of and we will learn such a twist once we defeat him. Will he be redeemed and be considered good if this was the case? Not likely.

@khangle6872

Ай бұрын

​@@NemesisUmbralNo one is good in a fromsoft game

@MMyers-rj8fl

Ай бұрын

@@khangle6872 Chapel Dweller would argue with this statement )

@9xDaysxTillxNothing

Ай бұрын

Just wanna say your English is fine, I didn't see any issues with it, it reads well.

@NemesisUmbral

Ай бұрын

@@khangle6872 I would argue that many characters are morally gray, but the “good” characters would be Alexander and V.IV Rusty. These are two examples of characters who are by definition the good guys yet are dealt tragic ends. Hell, another great example is the famous, knight Artorias.

In the trailer, in the part with Miquella ( 1:55 - 2:05 ), I think you can hear in the music the actual Latin words, "AVE MARIKA AETERNA" ( Ave Marika Eternal )

I love Miquella's second half in the trailer; with the music, I can feel a combination of hope and heroism, a feeling that is quite rare in music for Fromsoft titles. That's why I fear that Miquella could be, in reality, a Griffith-style figure. Someone who is inspiring and great, someone one would love and want to follow, but no one really knows what he is capable of until it's the Eclipse.

The lullaby bit hits different if you know about Saint Trina and her relation to Miquella. Marco hitting the nail on the head as usual.

Thats exactly what i was waiting for!! Thanks Marco!

@MarcoMeatball

Ай бұрын

ofc :)

@Nero_9000

22 күн бұрын

​@@MarcoMeatballI love watching your analysis, I'm now kinda understanding how music defines a character, like how frequency or point of no return fits Vergil. You haven't done a reaction to Isshin sword saint ost, please do that

I reckon the music playing around 1:28 will definitely be Messmer's phase two music. Especially considering that Malenia's second phase music was in the original ER story trailer. I feel it should also be noted that the music at the start - the Elden Beast / Greater Will theme - is also the motif that plays when Melina burns herself to burn the Erdtree. The two interpretations I have of this are that: - it might be possible that whoever we're seeing (likely Miquella) could be doing something of great consequence, like Melina - DLC takes place post-Final Battle

@maran947

Ай бұрын

This is clearly marika i would say

@undercover_matin

Ай бұрын

That's definitely Marika, not Miquella at the beginning of the trailer

@kolbra4170

Ай бұрын

It reminds me of Gherman’s theme

@minerman60101

Ай бұрын

You just need to kill Mohg and Radahn to enter the DLC--not the final boss

@KingOfMalevolence

Ай бұрын

The DLC will have no connection to the base game

Keep in mind...Miyazaki could be straight lying to us or misleading us with what characters or a narrators tell us about the lore. Miyazaki and his creative team are the only ones who truly know. And we will never know. And that's the beauty.

@nickwalker3681

Ай бұрын

Good ol Micheal Zaki

love love love the last song of the trailer, the percussion is MMMMMPH feel like a company of heroes getting ready to act

I wanted to thank you for doing things like this. I've learned quite a bit from watching you analyze themes, motifs, instrument selection, vocals, etc. in music and how they relate/imply different kinds of storytelling.

@MarcoMeatball

Ай бұрын

i really appreciate that.

@bakutie

Ай бұрын

preach

@ladyazalea6131

Ай бұрын

​@MarcoMeatball those three figures impaled are the three running the "Chinese dragon puppet" beast mesmer is fighting in the previous few seconds

this is one of their best trailers they have ever released, and the music is part of the reason. It sent chills down my spine, specially the last ost. The moment in the title drop is absolutely blissful. It looks like the dlc ost is going to take a even further step into quality than the main game, and it's interesting to note how different in style and tone the last ost sounds compared to normal From osts.

8:32 That's what I had heard too, but the captions said "we are not deterred", which aligns quite nicely with your analysis.

I wonder how much of this OST Kitamura composed, since she left fromsoft recently This definitely has her 'sound' to it, love the trailer, that final segment is INTENSE

The first track is very similar to the Elden Beast theme. That scene describes 'the birth of gold' I think this is the Summoning of thr Elden Beast. When the 'Golden Star' came to the Lands Between.

Those that got impaled by Messmer are likely the lion dancers with omen horns on their back. It sorta looks like that Messmer is purging every life form that is born without the grace of the erdtree. From both trailers, Messmer seems to have a strong grudge against those that is without the light or grace of the Erdtree. The weird thing is that Messmer himself is everything that is considered blasphemous to the Erdtree. Can't wait until June 21 to dive deep into the lore.

The beginning is the Elden Beasts' OST, which is interesting, considering it escalates into that invasion theme of Messmer and his forces. I think the impalement scene is actually not just focused on the three large corpses, but the overall successful purge by Messmer, as seen by all the impaled bodies across the lower half of the screen. Very excited for the DLC, as things are not always what they seem.

The galloping bit at the start of Miquella's part reminds me of the similar progression at the start of the gameplay trailer

I loved the last piece so much! it radiates so much hope and optimism that it does convince me to walk with them.

I was trying to remember why Miquela's theme on the trailer was so familiar. Then I realized that Malenia's theme has very similar notes on the beginning.

@kiiturii

26 күн бұрын

the churchbells part at 8:15 sounds suuuper familiar to me but I have no idea from where

at the start when we see marika at the flesh gate thingy, the theme in the backround is the Elden beast's.

I don't know about clues but all I know is that the second theme was straight fire. Group at the end looks like a movie directed by Guy Richie about a rag tag crew that is going to save Miquella's behind.

7:10 music reminds me to Spanish 'procesion' music if you ever wanna check on it, its very symbolic here on ESP.

@captain4930

Ай бұрын

also the impaled guys are 'Omens', like the ones imprisoned under the erdtree being considered a curse of nature, as the 2 sons of Marika, Mogh and Margit

The trailer was so peak that the camera started crying as soon as it started

been waiting for this. i think the 2nd new track is gonna be one of my all time faves

"We are not deterred", not "decayed"

@drancordraws1154

Ай бұрын

could that mean a cure to being tarnished ?

@burnedoutregretfulsoul4324

Ай бұрын

If you're asking about the true quote("we are not deterred"?) It means they won't be stopped, as they won't stop

@drancordraws1154

Ай бұрын

@@burnedoutregretfulsoul4324 more the we are not decayed part

@burnedoutregretfulsoul4324

Ай бұрын

@@drancordraws1154 hypothetically I guess

I'm so excited when I see a reaction video of you Marco, you make it very special talking about lots of details. Man I feel this is truly special. ❤

The second I watched the trailer I knew this Music would be something worth digesting, couldn’t wait for your video and here we are!

In before messmer starts singing hell fire from hunchback of the notre dame

Your Question a 7:00 where you ask who those are, I think those are people that were in the Lion Dancer outfit that had just attacked Mesmer in the previous shot. It could also be other corpses impaled of the civilization that they are killing off. I think this story trailer shows "beginning, middle, and the present": I think the beginning part is Marika(or Radagon) rise to godhood the sudden cut to Mesmer's music I think implies that that accession either cost those lives of that city OR led to the culling of that city, and it's a act done in secrecy as to not have a blemish on the perfect golden order OR to prevent someone from rising to take vengeance or to steal back whatever power Marika may have stolen and the Final piece is definitely Miquella coded, with hope.

Cam at the start is also feeling it

The last music piece is so ethereal, if it’s that good throughout the whole song it will be the best song from software has ever made

6:55 The corpses that are hanging are seen to have "Horns" on them and if you know in Elden ring "Horns" are seen unfavorably by mostly everyone especially the Golden Order, an example is Mohg and Morgott being cast out from the family just because of their "Horns". Given the massive purge that Messmer is doing for which we are waiting to find out more: "Snakes" are as well frowned upon and if you look Messmer is accompanied by them which makes his character all the more interesting.

I cant wait for the OST to release and to hear all the music in-game too of course!

As a music lover, the music has been my main focus especially that beautiful piece that plays during miqulas bit, outstanding.

I believe the shot at 7:10 is multiple of the lion dancers that have been defeated and impaled by Messmer

We waited for this video❤

I feel like the music after the war scenes starts of reflecting something moving, holy, innocent, awe inspiring, while talking about Miquella’s sacrifices. Then the music seemingly turns to reflect his/hers Godly, fearsome and terrifying powers showing a scene of St:Trina (allegedly), falling, perhaps having been separated from Miquella. It ends with what sounds like a mix between determination and celebration, with the bells giving the vibe of a holy crusade, which makes me think these followers of Miquella are close to religious fanatics. Miquella is supposedly wielding love to shrive clean the hearts of men after all, he has learned to compel such an affliction. I guess it gives a pretty nuanced picture of Miquella, which is very cool! I can’t wait to play the DLC!

The music piece from this scene 1:24 is insanely beautiful but tragic at the same time, it almost felt like a genocide and helplessness as for miquella I really like the idea fromsoft really drill in the Christ like figure in him, it's the first time fromsoft did this.

Disclaimer : English is not my native language ! If I had to see the sopranos in this trailer, they all seem to convey (for me) a cry for help in each part. First the cry to godly deing (to the Greater Will since the OST is from the Elden Beast) and you made me noticed the tremolo in the voice and it may go with this feeling of "O greatest of gods, thou had seen our sufferings thou had seen our bloodshed. Let us shine in your golden rays, let us not deprave into chaos again.". It goes also with the "sense of grief" you had mentioned in your Elden Beast OST video. For Mesmer's part, it would be a cry from Messmer's victims in my point of view. The interesting line would be "One [war] that could never be put to song" and since we here someone singing. And I feel like it is again a cry, maybe not for mercy, but again a plead for help. Since the organ is the first instrument to appear with the soprano, I would see it as a sort of counterpoint to the sopranos (maybe representing Messmer ? It goes well with your idea of organ representing the sacrilegious ). We also have seen that Fromsoft has well used the organ to represent the unholy and twist on the 'pure faith' (looking at Laurence's theme from Bloodborne). Also I don't think organ is used elsewhere in Elden Ring, even the Godskin apostles, which shows how "unholy" Messmer might be. The idea of the cry goes well with the crescendo (at least for me) from 1:20 with the chords (not sure if it is cello or violins) but you add the undulating percussions that you pointed out and I can see it representing slashes/warfare (especially with the imagery, and they did that with Ludwig). This time the cry sounds more like : "O witness our suffering, o you who witness history, beware of Messmer's flame and peer into our suffering." The crescendo at 2:07 in the vocals would be some kind of cry for the death of St Trina's (? not confirmed) and Miquella's Fate. But transforming into a cry of determination or help towards Miquella (multiplication of voices as in gathering troops). This time, contrary to Messmer's theme, the soprano isn't alone but with a whole orchestra. The church bell might either some sort of tocsin (bell sound to inform the town that war is coming) and peace incoming. The only voice remaining also reminded me of the religiousity especially of a "Kyrie Eleison" which would praise Miquella. I was really waiting for your analysis of the almost musical triptych with the guiding soprano and, as usual, love how you did analyse everything !

I may be reading into things too much, but I've always held the theory that Miquella will be Elden Ring's Griffith (from Berserk, for those not in the know) This beacon of positivity, acceptance, and healing in the lore who vanished from The Lands Between. Now, we have a group of people following in his footsteps, but toward what? I don't think we're gonna find "Kindly Miquella" in the Shadow of the Erdtree...

That final Miquella theme will be playing in my car at near full blast on repeat for weeks once it comes out.

7:42 Ave Marika Aeterna. The song might be referring to Marika and not Miquella

Ave Marika can be heard at 1:53 not sure this is random but seems intentional

This is perfect!!!!!

The bodies on stakes (at least the larger ones in the foreground) look like the puppeteers of the lion costumes, at least to me. I can make out the lion masks and individual pairs of arms and legs on each stake, or at least enough so to be fairly certain that's what I'm looking at. The horns and flowing cloth from the costume make it hard to tell for sure though.

Im getting a sense of desperation frome the middle section with a hint of finality

@MarcoMeatball, the narrator actually says "but we are not deterred"

The hopefulness of the last theme makes me think that maybe Messmer isnt the last boss of the DLC after all and we get some sort of an angelic miquella fight

Risk of Rain 2 just released two songs, with one by Chris Christodoulou and one by a guest composer Stavros Markonis. You should check them out!

Considering miquellas connection to St. Trina, saying his theme is akin to a lullaby is really fitting.

Its so good

I wonder if Messemer will sing his theme song too

I was seeing a lot about the vocals in the second section when it transitions out of the mesmer section into that sort of forward hopeful part. Supposedly its latin and the singer is saying “ Ave marika aeternum” so something like hail marika the eternal and then they say something else that I was wondering if anyone knew what the singer is saying

I am super excited for this dlc. Can't wait to play it ❤ Btw, I love your reaction to elden ring soundtracks marco. Can't wait to see your reaction on the dlc soundtracks 😎

The first music is just the part 2 of the theme of the final boss ^^

u need to invite Kostis Protopapas again and show him more live perfomances like Astalgia of Phantasm oder Dovakhin Concert version, the real good stuff ;P

i was listening to the beginning of the trailer. the part where it sounds like elden beast's ost. is it me or do the strings sound distorted? i've listened to it on pc and on my phone and tablet with multiple different headphones and it stills sounds like its distorted.

Ahe actually says "we are not deterred", according to the subtitles

i think its interesting that the church bells started when st. trina was shown. maybe im digging too deep though haha

This trailer was utterly fascinating to me. Pardon my rambling, but I believe the three pieces here represent the motifs of Marika, Messmer, and Miquella, and what role they will play in the DLC. The distorted nature of Elden Beast's theme here, as well as the almost-scornful/mocking way the narrator says "an affair from which gold arose", as well as the visual setting of the scene suggests a blasphemous truth Marika determined to keep hidden. Messmer's piece is much more straightforward, with all the usual Fromsoft bells and whistles for an evil character. Organ, benevolent choirs, etc. Miquella's piece is the most intriguing. The children choir reflects Miquella's eternal youth, and the forward propulsion rhythm shows his determination to find the truth. The big thing here is the lullaby/hypnotic quality. Miquella is shown in lore to be well versed in using hypnosis. It is heavily implied that Saint Trina (deity of sleep and dreams) and Miquella are the same person. The musical texture reminds me of This Is What You Are from Warframe

Opera singer here, the last part of the music has really strong Puccini vibes. Sounds like the Te Deum from Tosca. What do you think ?

7:05 Mesmer living up to his title here. Just like Vlad the impaler

I think the four piles of meat impaled in front of Messmer was the beast that tried to bite him just before

Based on his red hair, and mention of "mother" in the previous trailer, it seems he is an offspring of Marika and Radagon. His war is "without grace or honor" because of his relation to and affinity for fire, snakes, and possibly even dragon communion. All symbols of blasphemy towards the erdtree. He is most likely laying siege to the land of shadow to regain the favor of the erdtree and the golden lineage. The soprano represents this intent, and the organ represents his malicious nature.

@ongabonga4378

Ай бұрын

I've also heard speculation that the "mother" he speaks of is the blasphemous serpent Eigley. This holds some weight, but I feel that the 3 butterflies are good evidence against this theory. Malenia is the rot, Miquella is the nascent, and Messmer is the smouldering butterfly.

Hey marco i was wondering what is your voice type ? Baritone or bass ?

@MarcoMeatball

Ай бұрын

lyric tenor actually!

The line "we choose to follow" is so interesting because we know Miquella has a power over the hearts of people and can compel them to love him. So is it really a choice? I don't think so.

@greedygremlin7471

Ай бұрын

Also the music for Messmer in this trailer reminds me of the Mohg phase 2 music. It sounds regal and powerful, like a Lord marching across Hell filled with purpose.

In the last song the signer is talking about marika, isn't it? it says "Marika eternam". I'm guessing that we follow miquella's footsteps but Miquella came to the land of shadow because that's where she became a god, so maybe it's more of a religious theme?

Prepare for the messmer's ost , i think its gonna be a new masterpiece !!!

Messmer is undoubtedly the villain, but I predict the reason will be because he is obsessed with gaining Marika's love. Some will argue that Messmer isn't entirely at fault because he committed the killings for his mother, who ultimately used and betrayed him. They might also suggest that Miquella, who received their mother's love instead of Messmer and is attempting to break free from her control over his fate (keeping him in a childlike body), is actually the ungrateful one.

I've begun to call "The Elden Beast OST" "Marika's Lament" which Fromsoft could NEVER call it that due to how much of the story it would give away. Marika's Lament is played during times of ultimate tragedy in parts of Marika's life like at the end of her life and the fight with The Elden Beast, the end of Her story like the end of Elden Ring (Which IMO the story is about Marika), and now we see her latest tragedy, Marika's Lament plays during Marika's God hood. Her God hood is a tragedy. Maybe She was forced to do this? It was her fate? Maybe this is her Ego taking over her life to the upmost degree, narcissism so bloated only She believes deserves to be God.

Could it be that Mesmer is the son of Marika and Placidusax? We know of a god and placidusax, being elden lord at some time, were together and formed the first elden ring. The god left placidusax never returning to him and placidusax stayed by himself forever waiting for that being to come back to him. What if it was Marika? She would then start a new elden ring while pregnant with Mesmer, hence his draconic look. She would start the age of the Crucible with her still experimenting with her power. Finally knowing what she really wanted life to look she would send Mesmer to purge the crucible to start a new elden ring, reforged from the ashes of the old one. Maybe at one point Mesmer and Marika's relationship would grow sour during the Purge and banished him into this veiled realm and deemed everything about him heretical, fire, serpents, and dragon communion. We know that in Sekiro the white serpent is some sort of descendant of the Divine Dragon and in some cultures, serpents were considered dragons, even the chinese dragons resemble a serpent in their movements and looks. Maybe Marika was really trying to erase him. Or he could find out about his father and goes into a frenzy. Killing everything his mother created and trying to bring Farum Azula into this new world and at the end of the purge, Marika would defeat him and banish him into this veiled realm he destroyed. Eh might be reaching, sounds cool though.

Something i fond facinating is the pull up from the brurning city you can almost hear the cleric beast theme

I believe the very beginning was Marika plucking the strands of the Elden Ring out of it's previous host - the Gloam Eyed Queen. Thus ascending to Godhood herself. To ascend to Godhood, Marika had her Generals (Godfrey and apparently Messmer) wage a ruthless war with the forces of the Crucible (the Primordial version of the Erdtree) being the Omen, the Crucible Knights and the Gloam Eyed Queen - who leads the Godskin Apostles (those bodies were all flayed - skinless) Messmer seems to be the one that does all the Dirty work for Marika, impaling and burning all those who're considered as blasphemous to the Golden Order. I believe that Messmer is simply truthfully following Marika's orders, but is forced to stay in the Realm of Shadow by his very own Mother. Those corpses are most likely the Lion Dancers, who we believe to be Omen (and thus Crucible aligned) due to the omen horns you can see throughout it's body. I believe that Miquella is following in Marika's footsteps to ascend to Godhood. All so that he can find a true Cure for his twin(Malenia)'s curse of Scarlet Rot. To do this, he takes a page out of Ranni's book and divests himself of his Empyrean flesh (he dies during Mohg's corruption). The NPCs and us the player are following Miquella as well, possibly as champions to help him ascend to Godhood, much like how Messmer or Godfrey fought for Marika to ascend. This would also probably give us a new ending for the main game as well.

Organ being tied to bad things in videogames..does that origin with sephiroth perhaps?

We used to think that the Gloam Eyed Queen was a rival Empyrean that Marika needed fo defeat before she was chosen as the god to rule the next age. But this story showed us the truth: The Golden Order was created by usurping and purging the old world that was ruled by the Gloam Eyed Queen. Time and again we are shown that behind the beautiful flawless ray of gold of the Order is a long path of blood and suffering. We thought the primordial Crucible of Life was just the way of the old world, we never knew that there was an entire civilization built on it. And not only was it razed into the ground, it was erased from history The only thing that makes this reveal even worse, is the implication that this is not the first civilization the Greater Will has supplanted and may not be the last, as we saw in the Elden Beast arena. Not only are there more than one Erdtree, they are seen as far as the eyes can see

Hey wanted to just ask what are the subtitles and why are they there?

@firekeeperiswaifu3092

Ай бұрын

I think it’s the trailer’s caption which he forgot to change.

@MarcoMeatball

Ай бұрын

no clue they were just there.

@user-xz2cv8ji4s

Ай бұрын

@@MarcoMeatball Ah i see well thank you anyway. On a more unrelated note ill also take this chance to reccomend you to listen to more from keygen church as seeing by how much you liked Tenebre rosso sangue i believe you will really enjoy it

Marco when you said the singer at the start sounded like she was dying... didnt it feel like the singer was about to cry instead?

I wonder what marika's plan exactly is. does she want to show of the horrors in the hope we go the same path or does she wont to show the mistakes she made.

I feel that the soprano in Messmer's section symbolize the "holy" pretense behind the horrific slaughter of this war. Messmer, as we know it now, is most likely a son of Marika, carrying out a systemic genocide of the Land of Shadows' old population, probably as a cover up for the initial "seduction and betrayal" that allowed Marika to become the Goddess. The music then is a devilish and infernal tune, trying to mask itself with holyness and righteousness Most of the times the OSTs from these trailers are taken from in game Bossfights, so it's probable that Messmer's section is his own bossfight OST and the final section is Miquella's

It's confirmed there are 30 songs in the dlc

@mrsgamer9218

Ай бұрын

Say what

@locust031

Ай бұрын

There are 67 currently in the base game too. Almost half the amount in a dlc alone. Crazy!

@user-fi8gg4wd9i

Ай бұрын

Source?

Also is it just me or Mesmers theme draws a lot of parallels to the Godskin apostles theme, just me maybe.

Zombie: "Send more police officers..." Miyazaki: "Send more funy theories..."

No one hear resemblance in tune when title is shown and Godskin Apostle theme?

would love to see your reaction to the boneworks soundtrack

Letsgooo

Miquella's ability is to compel love from anyone. Likely these followers are brainwashed and trying to get us to walk with them, and we'll end up having to walk through them. My speculation. I doubt Fromsoft would emphasize this power and then never show it.

Why are there Arabic subtitles here? Genuinely thought YT has turned on captions for me but it turns out that's just the vide you're watching 😂 It's my first language so I am baffled by it.

the Arabic sub lookin good ngl

The arabic subtitles 😭😭😭

PLEASE LISTEN TO NIER: AUTOMATA SOUNDTRACKS! PLEASEEEE!

напишу на русском, потому что на английском будет куча грамматических ошибок. Если вкратце, то в начале была Марика, которая скорее всего в тот момент становилась богиней, и исходя из контекста предательства, то скорее всего все эти трупы, которые до этого ей доверяли, она принесла в жертву(напомню что для того чтобы стать сильнее надо откуда-то брать руны), потом она послала месмера(офицально ее сын) чтобы окончательно добить ту цивилизацию(в которой она по видимому раньше и состояла) и судя по контексту невидимой войны она уже успела скрыть эти земли от остального междуземья(напоминаю что по сюжету локация длс была отделена от междуземья). На копьях висели люди, что составляли того льва и по видимому занимали видное место в том обществе. Дальше там говорится что Микела отказался от своего тела и статуса неземного и отправился в эти земли и что у него тут есть фанатичные последователи (очень кстати жирная отсылка на спуск Иисуса в ад). А вся ситуация с Марикой явно отсылает на падение западной римской империи

@BuchouKuruta

Ай бұрын

Miquella was committed to giving a chance to the omens who where rejected by Marika, seems like those lion type omens were living in a kind of Haligtree created by Miquella to protect them and Messmer was sent by Marika to exterminate them.

@user-iv2ol2tz2k

Ай бұрын

почему мне кажется, что все игнорируют интервью Миядзаки, в котором четко сказано, что земли длс раньше были частью междуземья. До сих пор находятся люди которые строят догадки кто такой Месмер, хотя Мтядзаки сам подтвердил что он сын Марики. Эти львы состояли в обществе под названием династия Уль, которая возникла еще в эру драконов, и в котором скорее всего раньше жила Марика. Марика уничтожала их не из-за Микелы, она уничтожала бывшую верховную власть человечества, чтобы самой занять это место. Просто в эру драконов и последующую эру горнила правили драконы, поэтому не было нетерпимости к зверям и знамениям(знамения это вообще продукт горнила). Не думаю что Микела вырастил очередное дерево, но не буду это отвергать, и не до конца ясно какие у него мотивы, о чем упоминалось в геймплейном трейлере.

i know its gonna be brutal this ending im telling you i do not trust miquella