Just a note. Each one of those non-Tesla’s with charge port on the front driver’s side do not always have to take up two spots. If there are 2 or more using the chargers, if they park next to each other, then only one spot extra is blocked. So if you have 3 non-Tesla’s charging but spaced out from each other, then yes each uses 2 spots. But if they park next to each other, only one spot is blocked between the 3 of them. So instead of 3 non-teslas blocking 3 spots, if they park next to each other, then only one spot is blocked overall.

@thedukeofmanville

6 ай бұрын

Thanks! You are correct. I noticed that when I watched the video. Fortunately, all of the non-tesla vehicles had the port on the front driver side, so if we all parked next to each other it wouldn't be so bad. Only time will tell if this will cause issues as more people buy electric cars. Thanks for commenting!

@gbearfan1670

6 ай бұрын

Nice job Sir Duke. As a Tesla owner, it was good to see that you were able to use the V3 supercharger. Correction for you, the V2 superchargers load share (1A with 1B, 2A with 2B, ect.). The V3s and new V4s do not. Also, the new V4s have a longer charging cable and a small screen on the edge to display pricing. I think things will get better for everyone. Happy motoring. 😎👍

@ariip

6 ай бұрын

Yes, good point. But are other ev owners going to think that hard? As I said, the other oems should just put it in the drivers rear in the first place like most ice cars have for the fuel fill. Because they did not think hard either.

best way for ccs cars without ports on left rear is to use the pull in slot or the last on the right often. then you can get away without taking up 2 spots

As a Tesla vehicle owner, it’s bitter sweet having the sharing open up to the others. It does take up more spots but in the flip side the number of supercharger sites should grow faster. Try and grab the spots on the far right if one is available. Not always an option. Also the pull in spots sometimes work but they are for Teslas that are towing. I watched a Tesla towing a U-Haul last week try to navigate. It was in Binghamton, NY also a magic dock site that has a trivial R1S taking that spot. I was leaving so I don’t know how it turned out. It creates extra problems needlessly.

Looking at the location of the chargers, with the Rivian you could have pulled up on the grass on the “wrong side “ of the charger and you wouldn’t block any.

@anthonyc8499

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, he made a rookie mistake by not taking the charger on the right

@louiehernandez2643

6 ай бұрын

Or couldve just parked parallel to the charger. Wouldve took up two or three (non supercharger) parking spots, but would've just been blocking the switchgear and maybe the garbage can.

Would you have been able to pull in perpendicular to the parking spot since you were on the end? You could also pull up on the grassy side.😊

@rogeranderson8116

6 ай бұрын

after all, its an all-terrain vehicle!

Good field trip, Interesting, that Bolt, Mach-E and another Rivian were also at the same spot,

Always take the last spot on the right. That way with CCS it’s never more than 1 spot blocked. Rightmost charger was open when you rolled up but you parked in the middle. Rookie error but we’re all still learning.

@thedukeofmanville

6 ай бұрын

Using the last stall on the right would also result in bocking a charger since my charge port (including every non-Tesla charging while I was there) is on the driver's side (front left). So, depending on the charge port location unfortunately there is no way of avoiding blocking a charger. Thanks for commenting

@anthonyc8499

6 ай бұрын

@@thedukeofmanville right. So you can either park in the grass or at worst when you park on the furthest right, other CCS cars stack to your left. That way, it’ll never be any more than n+1 stalls that are blocked. Thanks for the content. Looking forward to your next video!

If all the cars with non-Tesla standard connector locations would park beside each other instead of taking up 2 spots each, all of you could be using one spot extra for the entire group. i.e. : One car would take 2 spots, 2 would take 3 spots, 3 would take 4 spots.... etc. In this circumstance, since the far right spot didn't have a open slot beside it, but the far left one did, you could have parked parallel to the curb you could have blocked a spot that was just an empty parking spot, not a charging slot. 😃

The NACS standard was designed by engineers to encourage EV adoption. The CCS charging standard was created by ICE manufactures marketing departments to discourage EV adoption. With the hope EV’s would never catch on. In 10 years the only place you will find a CCS charger is in a electronic surplus store.

I hope Tesla is forcing new vehicles to place their ports in the Tesla standard port location, because taking up more than one spot sucks.

@thedukeofmanville

6 ай бұрын

Like all public companies the main thing they care about is revenue. They will leave to us to figure out the charging until it affects their revenue.

since you're at the first charger, it looks like you could've pulled in parallel to the curb and not blocked charger 1B. ty

I'm going to be driving through here with my Bolt EUV in a few months so I appreciate the info and site visit

@thedukeofmanville

6 ай бұрын

You're welcome! Thanks for sharing.

Tesla could retrofit some of these with the V4 stalls which have longer cables. Maybe also have the end stalls support non-Tesla EVs for a bit more flexibility. DCFC is growing and their is hope.

Chances are if the Rivian does not precondition / preheat the battery before you arrive then charging will begin at a lower rate

Thank you for this content. Very informative. We have only had one charging infrastructure failure for CCS (we have an R1T). It was a one stall EVConnect at Kure Beach, North Carolina. Other than that, smooth sailing.

@thedukeofmanville

6 ай бұрын

I have come across some non working CCS chargers, but I just moved to the next one over since there were few if any other cars charging.

@dianewallace6064

6 ай бұрын

@@thedukeofmanville Agreed. We have done that also. This EVConnect at Kure Beach, NC was a one stall so I called EV Connect and they said they knew it was broken. LOL. I asked them to do another FIX ticket. It was disappointing because the next closest fast charger from that Beach was an hour. I know you had that same situation at the Beach in West Florida, you had to drive 70 miles to the closest fast charger from the Beach. Anywho, we soldier on...

Excellent job on your video

since you used tbe leftost charger, you could have parked parallel wit the curb with just your truck's nose in the spot and only take up 1 spot this way.

Mounting the go pro that way makes so much sense

@thedukeofmanville

6 ай бұрын

Thanks!

I would consider it viable backup option if you're able to navigate to the Supercharger and the battery is able to precondition. Another caveat is that the v3 dispenser post is max limited to the nameplate rating of 150 kW in Magic Dock mode. v4 dispensers has a higher power output rating and voltage when they get the power electronics upgraded. They're on Tesla time and it's anyones guess when that'll be implemented.

They could also make the stalls an island so you can park on either side when cars do this. I have seen some installations like this.

I get the same reaction when I’m charging my Model Y at a CCS station.

Congratulations on over 1k subs

@thedukeofmanville

6 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@TheOnyxWolf

6 ай бұрын

@@thedukeofmanville no problem I hope to look back at this comment at 10k

If you are able, you can pull up sideways instead of in the stall space and you won’t block an extra stall. You could’ve pulled up alongside the electrical cabinets to your left.

Great content. As a Tesla driver I’m interested to how all this works out. 😊

@quanstevenson6963

6 ай бұрын

Oh yeah, glad you had a good experience!

Welcome to the Super charger network. Remember to precondition your battery pack 20-30 min before arrival to get those 250KWs you were looking for though. Lots of other companies don't automatically precondition so that would explain your slow starting charge.

@thedukeofmanville

6 ай бұрын

That may explain it. Plus my state of charge was still high. Thanks for commenting!

Tesla could charge extra for taking an extra spot when the location is full, similar to the idle fee for taking a spot when done charging when busy .. and sell a longer cable adapter maybe.

I am a recent Tesla owner and I have only had one issue with charging on the Tesla supercharger being broke. I’ve seen online people having wait in queue for a supercharger but haven’t dealt with it in the Midwest. There are normally at least 3 near by so it alleviates that concern. I will say I am slightly nervous with all EVs using Tesla superchargers. It can cause congestion with those whom want to charge up 100% and sit. Which isn’t that common from my experience at super chargers like I’ve seen at EVGo and EA stations. In my area even with the EA+ plan Tesla has the lower prices per KWh. I think if more are built along with longer cables and EVGo and EA has more competitive pricing then it will lessen my concerns.

@dstr1

6 ай бұрын

After trying to charge to 100% a few times they will realize that tge last 5 to 10% maybe a little more costly to be attractive enough to make it common place.

Thanks for the video. Curious how many miles you get per full charge? My Tesla model y only gets around 220 miles on full charge not the 330 advertised. Considering a Rivian for myself. I know it has a larger battery pack.

@TroySavary

6 ай бұрын

Every other EV gets closer to the EPA numbers than Tesla does. Some even exceed them. Not sure about Rivian specifically.

Car manufacturers need to have charge ports on 2 corners on same end of vehicle.

@thedukeofmanville

6 ай бұрын

A passenger side port would be good for street charging in the city. Thanks for contributing!

If you park horizontal at the end charger you only take up one spot.

@thedukeofmanville

6 ай бұрын

I would be tripled parked which may be an ordinance violation. I do not recommend breaking the law because someone may be temporarily inconvenienced.

PSA: If you see another CCS car taking two spots, make sure you park next to another CCS car. That way, 2 cars only take up 3 spots instead of four. As long as they park next to each other its N+1 spots taken up. Not bad. Tesla needs to just focus on more chargers; thats the solution. After 2025, every new car will be NACS and as long as they put the ports front right or rear left, I'll work out just fine. So, its better to just expand for the future rather than retrofit current chargers for CCS cars that will a very small part of the whole fleet in a few years.

Thank you. Why do you have an R1T running board instead of R1S?

@thedukeofmanville

6 ай бұрын

I have an R1T with the R1T running boards.

56 cents per KWHr, better than EVGo by 23 cents in CA. We need extension cords for CCS.

@jonathonvince561

5 ай бұрын

That's wild. That means a full size 2500 gas or diesel truck is still cheaper 😂😂😂😂. And u had to wait for a half hour every time u stop and your range is doodoo

BTW - what part of the country are you located in?

OR the CCS manufacturers could fix the situation by putting their charge ports in a better place on their vehicles. I owned a 2013 Leaf and now have all Teslas. I prefer the charge port at the rear in the teslas. Better to back in, simple with Tesla’s cameras, then have a clear view when pulling out. Much safer.

Standardization will solve this in the future

Welcome to the tesla charging network... It is sooo much better and more reliable than the other options.

By the way, the Tesla Magic Docks V3 are now providing the full 500 AMPs to none Tesla's. Just thought I mentioned it in case you wanted to make another video.

The charge rate doesn’t depend on other vehicles at the site if it is a version 2, 250kw charger. You should actually be charged double for taking up two spots to charge.

@thedukeofmanville

6 ай бұрын

Tesla could have kept the Superchargers available to Teslas only, but they opened it to everyone. Tesla owns the chargers and not the car owners, and they figured it is better to collect additional revenue even if that means inconveniencing current Tesla owners.

All these charging networks need to get to plug and charge like cell phone networks did with roaming agreements. All that time fiddling with apps only adds time to what is already a time consuming task and blocks the stall longer. As more people get EVs there is one other issue to be addressed. About 15% of gas buyer pay with cash! We need to find out why that is and figure that out. As far as I know there are no EV charging stations anywhere in the world that take cash.

Happy 2024 🎉

~.50cents/kwh?

V3 superchargers aren’t load sharing only v2 and v1 your speed was based on ur stat of charge u had already but good content overall

@thedukeofmanville

6 ай бұрын

Thanks! Another commenter pointed that out, and I was hoping that it was load sharing that was giving me the lower charging speeds at a similar state of charge compared to EA or EVgo, but it may be due to the magic doc since it is an adaptor and may limit the current. Thanks for commenting!

@xclusivewalker2176

5 ай бұрын

Ive seen on other videos 3rd party vehicle's get less not the max unsure why

man that chevy bolt should not be taking up a supercharger spot. Thing has a max charge rate of 50 kwh.

@L6Jeremy

6 ай бұрын

and the curve after 60% is abysmal

@thedukeofmanville

6 ай бұрын

Its open to all EVs. Even to slow charging ones.

@mtnmecca_ej

3 ай бұрын

I didn't do my homework and rented a Bolt during a trip. What a mistake due to this reason. I had to look up the Bolt charging rate during my trip since it would max at 48kW every time. I wasted so much time at charging stations. Lame move by GM and my bad by assuming all cars could use high speed charging.

Tesla puts the MagicDocks at low use Tesla Supercharger locations.

Have a great 24

@thedukeofmanville

6 ай бұрын

Thanks! And you have a great 2024 as well!

As a Tesla fanboy, please don't be afraid to use Tesla Superchargers if you need to. You're either paying a higher rate for your electricity than a Tesla owner, or you're paying a monthly subscription. When I bought my Model Y, that's when I helped pay for the SC infrastructure. Both you and I have paid the dues, and both of us have a right to be there. To all other EV owners, I say welcome. All I ask is be creative with your parking if the SC is busy.

lol the Mrs not looking like she into it 😂

@thedukeofmanville

6 ай бұрын

It was her idea😆

Band Aid...I wouldn't use that term. It's a great boon for non-Teslas. You'll have far more flexibility in charging choices once the adapter is fully available. NEVI funding has resulted in one station in Ohio and the program is two years old. Don't hold your breath waiting on widespread NEVI chargers happening soon. Tesla stations with Magic Docs are very sparse. As an owner of a Performance Y and R1T there is zero range anxiety driving a Tesla as the stations are plentiful and they work. I have no problem with non-Teslas using the network as it will spur EV adoption. Taking two spots...people will peacefully adapt (hopefully). Tesla is correct to charge other vehicles more for charging since it was Tesla owners that paid for the current network. In the west, we are blessed with RANs all through Washington, Oregon and California ( you can drive from Canada to the Mexican border only using RANs) but there are big holes in the middle of the country. The question I have is whether you can precondition a non-Tesla battery using the App. I'm guessing not.

@thedukeofmanville

6 ай бұрын

As I stated in the video the Superchargers will only be a backup unless they are the V4 Superchargers which are designed to charge all EVs. The NEVI funded V4s have the magic doc, so no adapter will be needed. Also, my next video will be a NEVI funded charger about 75 miles away in Missouri. A Lot of new stations are opening every day.

@dstr1

6 ай бұрын

250kw chargers do not share charge between chargers.

@thedukeofmanville

6 ай бұрын

​@@dstr1You are correct! The V3s don't power share. I was hoping that would explain the low charging speeds, but unfortunately this may be as good as it gets which is worse than the speeds I get at EA or EVgo😢

@dstr1

6 ай бұрын

@thedukeofmanville to resolve the low charge rate you need to precondition. But if you start charging at 45% your charge rate is unlikely to be fast anyway.

@roybaker6970

6 ай бұрын

The RAN Fortuna CA price recently was $0.36/KW...does it vary from site to site?

Other ev oems need to put the charging port on the drivers rear like Tesla. Make it universal like with nacs. Better design, better idea. Tesla simplified it with hiding it under a relfector, so other oems make an extra ugly door? If you look at ice cars, most have the fuel fill there in the drivers rear, so why did they put it elsewhere on the evs. Does not make sense.

34 min of charge time id lose my mind stopping every time like that and ur already like 40 percent starting 💀💀💀💀💀

I understand why he wants to do this, however not all EV charge points are in the same place so you loose space especially Would be nice if either non tesla owners paid more, or Tesla owners got credit every month for free charging

@thedukeofmanville

6 ай бұрын

Non-Tesla owners do pay more to charge.

That’s not for Tesla to fix but the manufacturers responsibility to relocate the charging ports on their products. They have to adjust to the NACS standards not Tesla. Tesla has started rolling out their 350kw chargers three months ago so those will probably be readily available in about a year. The third party chargers have a LONG way to go. Their technology is terrible and the stations are up barely 50% of the time compared to 99.2% for Tesla. Tesla should charge more for non-Tesla cars AND should set up non-Tesla spaces only.

@TroySavary

6 ай бұрын

Triggered Tesla stan spotted. Tesla was the one who decided to chase subsidies by opening up the network to others. Not the other car makers fault Tesla designed the charger placement so poorly.

@user-zf1ol7op7y

6 ай бұрын

@@TroySavary Triggered? Say no to drugs in 2024. You must be a simpleton if you think Tesla is going to change THEIR infrastructure for other auto makers who chose to join the NACS because their engineering is terrible. Don't like it then continue to use the useless third party chargers. Simple as that.

As a Tesla person I can tell you that most Tesla owners welcome this. So disregard those keyboard warriors. It's all fear-mongering. Most Superchargers that are going to be opened are not the super busy ones. However, those are not the ones that are needed for none-Teslas. What are needed are those Superchargers in areas with not a whole lot of chargers or EVs. And that's exactly what's happening. It's going to make road trip for none Teslas owners almost as easy as Tesla owners. In Europe this year they had a free charging day of all Superchargers and drivers staggered the positions of all the none-Teslas so that in all only one spot was lost. So for a site with 16 stalls, 15 were still abled to be used. Secondly, Tesla restricts the amps for none Teslas to 350amps which tells me they are planning to release an adapter with a short cable extension. The maximum 500 plus amps for Teslas is not possible over a cable longer than their current length (and width) due to the high heats of high amperage. And V3 Superchargers don't load share like the V2s do (which are not going to be opened). It's the restricted amps for said reasons above that's causing your lower speeds. And with the monthly plan, Tesla prices are cheaper almost everywhere. For example, at a Tesla Supercharger I was at in the Phoenix area in October was 13 cents past 10pm, and others were 21 cents after 7pm. So If you plan to change more than once for that month, it easily pays for itself. As far as your band-aid comment goes, by you saying that Tesla's Superchargers are a great backup when needed says it all. If a 99.96% reliable Supercharger network is considered only a backup, it can only mean that there's not much of a problem.

Tesla stock is a winner!

@TroySavary

6 ай бұрын

Not once the Q4 financials are released.

@thedukeofmanville

6 ай бұрын

Not when all of these NEVI funded chargers go in. Plus Wal-Mart is building their own network along with a host of other companies including GM. There will be a lot of charging competition which will be good for the EV owners, but may not be good for Tesla stock.

Hey I have an idea.... Maybe Rivian can build infrastructure like Tesla did, BEFORE they built a car. Nah make money on the car hang the infrastructure.

@thedukeofmanville

6 ай бұрын

Rivian is building the Adventure network. Rivian is basically Tesla 2.0 since a lot of their employees came from Tesla.

I charge more at home every night I've only had almost had my tesla! I hardly use a supercharger. I'm concerned about the wait time for tesla owner's.

Million X the hassle of a Tesla on Super Charger. SUCKS. Surely it'll get better in time.

if dr. ben Carson runs for president again and needs a body double you might get a call.

When in 2025 new EVs from Tesla charger ports! plus others will be selling adapters sense they are charging for older vehicles!

@thedukeofmanville

6 ай бұрын

Third party adapters will likely not work on the Superchargers, but only ones supplied by Tesla.

You're NOT at 1A you're at 1B except the port is on the wrong side. Time will tell whether this pisses people off or not.

@thedukeofmanville

6 ай бұрын

The charge port clearly says 1A @9:04. Otherwise, my Rivian would not have charged since I selected 1A in the Tesla app. I can see this causing problems at busy supercharges, but Tesla may not care as long as they are making money. Thanks for commenting.

@djtaylorutube

6 ай бұрын

@@thedukeofmanville No, you are clearly at the bay for the 1B charger as far as Tesla's are concerned and you're using the cable from 1A! You are therefore taking two bays. The cable is supposed to be for the bay where you're standing. This will be an issue at busy superchargers. Tesla may or may not care, that remains to be seen. If it causes a big negative for Tesla owners, then there's little point choosing a Tesla if the same crappy charge experience can be had in any car. That's for Tesla to detemine though, not KZread warriors. 😁

@thedukeofmanville

6 ай бұрын

@@djtaylorutube I am quite aware that I am taking up two spots since it was the point of the entire video. Did you watch the video? I mentioned it multiple times. Also, since Tesla is opening the SC to all vehicles they are no longer "Tesla car owners' chargers", but a charging network owned by a car company in the same way that VW owns EA. It will be a public charger soon. And Tesla does care... about profit as any publicly traded company should.

@djtaylorutube

6 ай бұрын

@@thedukeofmanville I did watch it yes and you said you were at 1A. You're not though, you're at 1B but using the cable from 1A. There is a difference. 😉 The interest from Tesla would be whether the charging experience becomes degraded to a point there's no benefit buying Tesla. That's all, time will tell, hope it works out for everyone as they're mission driven rather than anything else. It's going to be interesting here in the UK where Tesla pricing is about 40p/kWh or 79p even 85p at competitors on the same site. If everyone piles onto Superchargers and a Tesla owner arrives to find them all full but those overpriced other chargers free, that's not a great experience. We'll see. Maybe petroleum is the answer? 🤣

@thedukeofmanville

6 ай бұрын

The parking spaces are not labeled or designated for any particular charger, so just because a Tesla would occupy 1A does not mean I was in 1B. Unless I am missing something please show me where the parking spaces are labeled. Tesla likely did not label them on purpose because they knew they would be public chargers.

U aren't taking up 2 spots

@user-zf1ol7op7y

6 ай бұрын

Correct. He was using one charging cable and somewhat blocking the other NACS cable from ONE stall.

@TroySavary

6 ай бұрын

Wasn't the Bolt using the stall directly beside him? It definitely appears that you are correct.

@thedukeofmanville

6 ай бұрын

Only a non-Tesla with the charge port on the front drivers side (Bolt, Rivian, Lyriq, et. al.) would have been able to charge next to me. A Tesla would not have been able to charge because I am taking up their parking spot.

Now we have to worry with Non-Teslas clueless nubes clogging up the Superchargers, oh what fun, oh yea, and they charge slow too.

@TroySavary

6 ай бұрын

Blame that on your messiah chasing subsidies.