Would love to see a full Dirac on laptop step by step from setting subwoofer prior to running Dirac , adjusting curve ect. There are no great videos out there showing this in a fashion you explain.

Thanks for your comprehensive coverage with both PC and Android applications. Very informative!

@ripewave

10 ай бұрын

Glad the content was helpful. -Jon

Excellent! Easily the most comprehensive information about on of the best if not the best values in hometheater!

@ripewave

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, thank you! - very kind of you. -Jon

Bought the rz50 and couldn't be happier

@ripewave

10 ай бұрын

Glad to hear. I found that model to a lot right for a reasonable price. -Jon

@DevPanigrahy

8 ай бұрын

Sell me

@michaelmarquez6133

6 ай бұрын

What type of speakers are you running ? I just bought the bowers and Wilkins 706 s2 and I am hoping this receiver will be good enough

@davel4449

4 ай бұрын

I have Polk's t600 it's my first entry into the real home theater world.. plan to buy the Polk r700 ...

@djaj423

4 ай бұрын

@@michaelmarquez6133 they will need some extra ump due to sensitivity. I have the 600 series and drive them with external amp..

This was a great video. I have the Onkyo and uses the mobile app for Dirac. After this, I will use my laptop to recalibrate. Another note, changing phones seems to prevent acess to other curve slots as well. Updates my iPhone from 10 to 12 and had the same issue as the PC and Mobile version.

Your assessment of utilizing Dirac Live via PC vs the Onkyo app is spot on. I was experiencing the exact same issues you were. I will in defense of Onkyo say they at least made an attempt to incorporate their app and Dirac - the app needs modifications, and if Onkyo reads any of your comments I would hope a firmware update in the future on their app would afford the PC flexability. Looking at all three, I base my judgements on the " law of diminishing returns " scenario. That being said, for $1299.00 currently, this still stands out as the best value of the three.

@michael-4k4000

11 ай бұрын

My uncle Ned does a full Dirac calibration before each game he watches…. Onkyo is just an amazing machine, it’s the receiver that has all the bells and whistles

@ripewave

10 ай бұрын

I appreciate that feedback. I agree - Onkyo has made a real attractive receiver that packs in a lot for a reasonable price. -Jon

@ripewave

10 ай бұрын

I guess he will have it perfect sound any furniture move. He certainly cares - a true enthusiast! -Jon

Hey sir, I just came across your channel a couple of months ago. I'm totally blown away by your presentation and layout of your content! 👌👏 I'm surprised I've not come across your channel in all the many years I've been watching Home theater, AVR and speakers 🤷 Without naming names I would say that your channel is far superior in context and useful information. I'm also confused that your channel has so few subscribers 🤷 Consider me subscribed! I'll spread the word.

@michael-4k4000

Жыл бұрын

Andrew Robinson.... lol, was thinking the same thing lol 😆

@kman9387

Жыл бұрын

@@michael-4k4000 👍😁

@michael-4k4000

Жыл бұрын

@K Man I like andrew, but he's more like a salesman and doesn't go through the details like this gentleman.

@kman9387

Жыл бұрын

@@michael-4k4000 So very true! Not to mention that many others who have KZread channels seem like they love everything they review instead of giving us their real opinions 🤷

Really good video.

I bought an onkyo tx-rz50 because of your reviews, shipping should get it this week.

@ripewave

Жыл бұрын

Hope it work out well for you. Be sure to provide feedback on your impressions. -Jon

@mikeschmidt2339

Жыл бұрын

hooked up 5.1 no microphone yet, so far it sounds very good.

@michaelmarquez6133

6 ай бұрын

@@mikeschmidt2339what type of speakers are you using ? I will be for notice start off bowers and Wilkins 706 s 2 and I am hoping this receiver will work well with them

@baynoli1

6 ай бұрын

@@ripewave Nice content and detailed review. I'm eyeing on this receiver, however I'm still worried about the hdmi/no sound issue of Onkyo. Does it heat up pretty well even on standby mode? Hope you can enlighten. thanks.

Very good and methodical look at calibration techniques on the RZ50. Wondering if you could comment in next video on your perception of home theater results from Onkyo, Marantz and Emotiva units calibration. I have never seen anyone yet compare actual calibration results as to how something sounds rather than just measurements between brands. I realize it's subjective but it would really help. Found your comments on best sound from two channel results eye opening and valuable. You are doing great and needed work here.

@ripewave

Жыл бұрын

Matt - Yes, I can try to assess the surround sound performance. A little harder to conduct, but my test setup does support. I do see value in comparing measurement results from precision measurement tools by someone who is well trained. My goal is to complement those measured results with listening tests conducted side-by-side and not from memory of something I heard weeks ago. Thanks for your feedback on what can help you and encouragement. - Jon

@mattgiunt

Жыл бұрын

@@ripewave Thanks--yes your approach to giving us actual listening results is so needed since so many others flood us with graphs and charts and we dont listen to measurements when we sit down to enjoy a film.

@coreyhurst469

Жыл бұрын

I agree. These are home theater receivers, I want to know which one sounds better for movies not music.

@MusicMovies67

Жыл бұрын

​ Used for music as well, lots of people use AV Receivers for surround sound music concerts as well as 2ch music

im a denon and yamaha fan.....my first onkyo.....im hoping to be very happy with it

@ripewave

5 ай бұрын

Denon and Yamaha still have nice models, but you pay a lot more for them vs. the Onkyo TX-RZ50. Let me know how it works out. -Jon

Great information and breakdown as normal mate. I know you as an expert user weren't a fan of the mobile app, but for someone like me who don't want to be tinkering, it's perfect for me. At least they give Dirac when the unit is bought and not like D&M where you have to shell out £300 for Dirac plus an extra £100 for a mic. A bit off topic, but your findings that consistently finds the Marantz to be in last place for sound is why I don't buy their stuff. D&M spends too much money on marketing and not on quality DACs/internal components. P.s I'm not a hater of D&M, I just don't like the way they do business, it feels like the consumer lose out. Although it makes them loads of money.

I'm petty sure the reason you weren't prompted which slot to save your Dirac Live changes with Onkyo Controller is that all three slots were initially empty. Now that you have the slots filled, if you were to run Dirac Live within the Controler again...I believe you would mow be prompted on which slot you would like to save your latest calibration. Either way, one of the better videos focused on room calibration with the TX-RZ50 that I've seen. Thanks!

Gracias por el video. Excelente información. Saludos desde Argentina 🇦🇷

@ripewave

5 күн бұрын

Thanks for the compliment. -Jon

Jon this is the best listening comparison and tutorial of room correction software on the net. Thanks for your efforts. Onkyo is certainly no head turner but they are trying after the acquisition by PAC. I’m glad to see they didn’t file Chapter 7 (liquidation). I’ve never been a big fan of auto correcting room software as I have achieved better results using an SPL meter and manual calibration for our 7.2.6 system. 99.9% of what we listen to is spatial audio. Hi resolution audio using the Auromatic selection coupled with a good manual calibration is hard to beat. Now StormAudio just came out with its own room correction software algorithm called Dirac Live Active that incorporates noise canceling technology. I would be interested to hear that demo. For now however that technology is a rich man’s game. Keep up the great work my friend.

You can adjust the filter curve through the mobile app. It just has to be done while it's still connected. Once you disconnect the mic and finish the process it's than locked in

@ripewave

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for the extra detail - very helpful to know. -Jon

I also agree - direct and pure direct is the natural sound of the processor WITH respect to your room. I personally dont think it would be as accurate because the room colors the sounds. You can have the most neutral equipment, but the room will still add peaks and valleys onto the frequency response and color the sound. So I do think listening in stereo, with dirac engaged is the more accurate sound. But when you do that, all three, IMO should sound the same, assuming each three have the necessary power, because all three will be playing to the filter of the target curve. And this opens up a huge can of worms for discussion because for those reasons above, I still prefer a feature loaded AVR for 2 channel playback, over a normal integrated 2 channel amplifier. NAD just released a FULL feature packed 2 channel processor than can rival an AVR, the NAD M66. It has 4 independent subs, dirac live, and dirac live bass control. But the price of it is kind of out of this world compared to an AVR that can do the same, like the 2023 denon 3800h for example, or the integra 8.4 (only 2 independent subs though) I think going forward in the future, and the popularity of multi channel atmos capable real music rising on apple music for example, an AVR will be the pick over a 2 channel stereo ONLY system.

I just bought the Onkyo RZ50, so have you ever had an eye or sense for good stuff, then buy it only to realize its way over your head? That would be me. I'm 59 years old and have only experienced a few pieces of nice stero equipment from back in the day that pale in comparison to today's equipment. Even after this video, I'm still a bit muddy on how to go about setting up this beast. However, I will say the PC setup will likely be the best way to go. So far, with limited time on my hands, I've managed to Bluetooth my phone to at least listen to some music through a pair of Klipsch 600M ll and was impressed considering the hearing damage & loss I've had for years...factory work, shooting sports etc. I will be coming back to this informative video since I have to go and buy a laptop now, haha. Thanks for the video.

@ripewave

5 ай бұрын

Glad to hear that you are jumping into the modern equipment despite feeling a bit behind. Given that you were able to connect via Bluetooth, I have confidence you will find success with the other features as well. If you have questions along the way, I am here to help and perhaps some others will jump in. -Jon

Thanks for the detailed test. :) Does the onkyo tx-rz50 have Apple's Siri Voice Assistant? Which D/A converter does it have?

Too detailed review... wow! I wanted to ask you if you ever heard of an Arcam avr. That would very interesting to review it.

@ripewave

Жыл бұрын

Arcam is on my list to review. Many people upgrade from Denon/Marantz to Arcam. Curious to know for myself how much better is the sound quality. -Jon

You can trim the speakers with the app that shows the noise floor. Click on the settings button on the lower right.

@ripewave

6 ай бұрын

Thank you, I missed that setting completely. Glad they provide that option. -Jon

Hi very detailed review so between diract vs EQ which one did you prefer on the rz50

@ripewave

Жыл бұрын

I felt that while AccuEQ produced good results (better than what I had ready hearing from others), the Dirac calibration produced clearly better results. Jon

What a great presentation! You got a new subscriber! Thanks!!! (What AVR would you recommend for my setup: I only have two front speakers, 685 S2 and an AS608 subwoofer...thanks!)

@ripewave

6 ай бұрын

Are you planning to continue with your 2.1 configuration, or move to more speaker channels? What type of content are you looking to reproduce? Music, movies? Atmos? Others? The B&W speakers and subwoofer you have are very nice.

@mnrodriguez

6 ай бұрын

@@ripewave , music, mostly Classic Rock. I like the stereo setup. I am old school in this area; I don't like rear speakers. I'd appreciate your input. My Marantz SR5009 died. I like to be able to put the USB drive and listen to my music that I digitalized from my CD's. Receivers give me the possibility to see the files on my TV screen and choose from there. Thank you in advance!!!

Jon thanks for helping me with the rz50's, great in-depth video. What speakers would you recommend for the rz50's in a room size 14x16?

@ripewave

13 сағат бұрын

I find it much harder to recommend speakers than other hi-fi components. For your size room I would start with medium sized bookshelf speakers that have good specifications down to at least 50hz to handle the ear level speakers at a minimum. Then I would install a couple of subwoofers that can handle low frequencies down to at least 20hz without 3db deviation. That combination will ensure you can have a full range setup. The RZ50 is middle of the road with ability to drive speakers. So it will do best with efficient speakers. Careful calibration will ensure speakers blend well with subs. After that select speakers you like the tone of. I can’t select that for you as it is so preference driven. -Jon

Shortwave let's gooo.

I'd like to get your take on the Sony ES Digital Cinema Auto Calibration (D.C.A.C.) IX from the 3000 or 5000ES vs Dirac in the RZ50 in a surround sound comparison

@ripewave

Жыл бұрын

I will need to bring in the new Sony models to hear for myself to answer. I plan to do just that. My feeling is the pre-calibration sound quality has a big influence on the final result after calibration. While the calibration can overcome room issues, it can’t necessarily resolve all the issues the base AVR or processor may have. -Jon

When you set to low Ohms then avr might enter a bit more protective mode and limit avr power

Hi, do you think the AccuEQ calibration was better or the Dirac ? (I'll be getting this receiver soon and would like to use the better method , though to be fair my room set up is less than ideal so I either is probably over kill)

@ripewave

10 ай бұрын

I felt that Dirac produced better results with the TX-RZ50, but the AccuEQ still did well. Many negative reviews on AccuEQ, I don’t get why. -Jon

@AlaskaGuy71

10 ай бұрын

ty! :) @@ripewave

I have the Onkyo Controller open on my Android LG V20 (my secondary device), looking at "Edit filter curves." Already did 3 sets of full Dirac measurements in the initial setup. There are graphs with dots on a line. I know the graphs measure room reasonance and speaker response. However, what do the red dots represent? And how do I adjust the crossovers for my speakers?

@ripewave

10 ай бұрын

I will need to revisit your question when I bring the Onkyo TX-RZ70 in later this year. I returned the RZ50 when I finished the review. -Jon

What would you suggest, The Emotiva MC1 Or The Onkyo RZ50? I want both perfect audio and video. Well as perfect as I can get for the money. I just thought the Onkyo will have better video processing because of all the extra software loaded unlike the Emotiva which seems more audio driven 🤷

@ripewave

Жыл бұрын

Catching up tonight... I think the Onkyo is better overall, but it depends on your criteria and there are some unknowns with the MC1 as I haven't tested yet. See my reply on your newer post. -Jon

Fantastic, "how to review.". My experiences with setup and caliberation were very similar to yours. I have since upgraded to the rz70 for the bass control and using its preouts to a tx rz 820 for some additional tunning with eqjualization, tone controls, and addtional distance calibration that are not accesible in the rz70 after direct live in the 70. No sure if a placebo effect of specs but the additional 20watts in the rz 820 seems more impactful than the rz50. Not sure if i missed it in this episode but did you do a comparison on dirac and the built in accueq? Thanks again for a superb review.

@ripewave

19 сағат бұрын

Thanks for the compliment and sharing your experiences. I could not directly compare AccuEQ with Dirac as Onkyo does not let you load both sets of calibrations at the same time. -Jon

I just got the rz50 should be here next week but I have Martin Logan L+C+R are you saying you can’t run 4ohm or don’t set the rz50 on 4ohm?

@ripewave

10 ай бұрын

I am just saying don’t configure the TX-RZ50 for 4 ohm. Leave at 8 ohm.

How does this do with audio delay and sync? With my older Onkyo, I find it to introduce significant lag

@ripewave

8 ай бұрын

I didn't test that out, but this is a good item to cover. Perhaps I can include while I am testing the Onkyo TX-RZ70. I currently have inhouse. -Jon

Hi Jon, your reporting of the Cinema seems to consistently be last preference, sonically in your video comparisons. Their interface, addition of DIRAC, quad sub outputs, and MultEQ X are great reasons to use them. Curious if you think the Cinema 40 would be a step up? It’s $1k more than the Cinema 50, so I’m assuming that buys you more than just two extra channels. Their components should Also be much improved. Thoughts?

@ripewave

Жыл бұрын

So far the results have been consistent with the small pool I have tested since I started to use this test setup. I believe the consistency of the tests help to ensure the results are comparable without injecting new variables that would influence the outcome. The Cinema 40 and Cinema 50 are both capable of 9.4.4 speaker layouts. I believe the biggest differences are the amplifiers within, the quality of components used and Japan vs. Malaysia production. With my all same external amplifier approach I could focus on the impact better components provide. I guess the difference is slight, but I showing judge before running that test. -Jon

I used the app from Dirac Live instead and then I could use witch slot to save the curve in 😀

@ripewave

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing. There is confort in that level of control. The mobile app does work better that others I have tried - it is good for simplicity and some prefer that experience- Jon

Hi one question, do you prefer onkyo rz70 or marantz cinema 40 sound.... thanks My friend

@ripewave

Жыл бұрын

Sound analysis can only be executed with fidelity through listening or measurement test. So haven't the unit in house is crucial. I have just ordered a Marantz Cinema 40 (and Denon AVR-X4800h, and Denon AVR-X3800h) to compare against my Marantz Cinema 50. So we will have great analysis of popular and comparable Denon and Marantz models. I should be able to compare against the Onkyo TX-RZ50 at the same time. I am still seeking a good source of the Onkyo RZ70. Right now excusive to Crutchfield in the US, so I may need to work with them. -Jon

Running a 7.4.2 system with rz50, but using JBL synthesis 7 channel amp and a rotel RMb 1066 for heights. All speakers are in wall in celling Martin Logan axis series. Svs pb 4000 as subs. Sounds good but lacks some bass impact (have turn things up despite decent size subs) Thinking about upgrading to a AVm 70 ? Thoughts ?

@ripewave

10 ай бұрын

Before running to another model I would spend some more time calibrating. I would play with Dirac filters to see if you can bump the bass. Also, could be sub placement impacting results. If so, changing receivers may only get you so far. -Jon

@Rhounit

9 ай бұрын

@@ripewave ran Dirac and now it sounds fantastic! Thank you

@ripewave

9 ай бұрын

So glad to hear that running Dirac was successful and you didn’t need to purchase another processor. -Jon

BTW, is there a separate application for a tablet (Android)? I have a Samsung Z Fold 4 that behaves as a tablet when opened.

@ripewave

10 ай бұрын

I am not aware of a tablet specific version. All they mention is smartphone compatibility-Jon

I Just pick the TX-RZ50 Love it, but one question I have is why on my Sony TV when go to turn on an app I get NO sound. Picture yes. If I turn on TV speakers mode yes, I have sound out on app mode and tv mode. No Sound on the Onkyo for apps on the Sony TV.. Help

@ripewave

10 ай бұрын

I am not a TV expert and each brand model can be different. How are you connecting? are you using ARC or eARC for the Onkyo or going straight into the Onkyo with your sources? I prefer to go to the AVR first then to the TV and skip the ARC eARC method

How big is the sound difference from each and is worth spending more on emotiva based on the sound difference

@ripewave

Жыл бұрын

Enough that my eight year old picks the same order without knowing what is selected or it’s price. It is obvious enough that is can determine the order on the first pass. The Onkyo is not worlds away from the Marantz but the just to Emotiva is most noticeable.-Jon

It's amazing that you found the onkyo better sounding than the cinema 50 since its now half the price of the marantz. did you try the onkyo with an external amp to have 11 channels of processing?

@ripewave

7 ай бұрын

I was surprised too. I test all AV Receivers with the same 100% external amplifiers and speakers for a like-like comparison. With that setup I can test out 7.2.4 speaker configurations (11 external amplifiers/speakers and 2 powered subwoofers.) -Jon

@percybedford6266

6 ай бұрын

@@ripewave Hi Jon, I have a question. How would you compare the sound to Emotiva? Also how does it compare to the Yamaha RX A6A? I am looking for a more budget alternative for my home theater that has 11.2 pre outs. Thanks again for your help.

I'm in the Market for a new Receiver to replace my twice failed Onkyo Receiver (HDMI). Trying to decide between the TX-RZ50 and the Emotiva MR1 any thoughts and advice?

@ripewave

Жыл бұрын

I would first determine your target speaker configuration and your top features which are must haves along with maximum spend. The MR-1 supports more channels of processing 13.1 vs 11.1 and has 11 channels of amplification vs 9 internal. The MR-1’s ability to handle front wide speakers is usually only available on higher end models $3000 and up and still not common; something Onkyo does not address with the TX-RZ50. The MR-1 has balanced subwoofer outputs, which may be better if you are running long distances with rear positioned subwoofers. The TZ-RZ50 is capable of handling up to a 7.1.4 speaker configuration, which is sufficient for many. You will need to add two channels of external amplification to handle that full layout. The Onkyo has HDMI 2.1 support today which the MR-1 will require a board upgrade when Emotiva makes that support available. The Onkyo has Dirac Live, which will likely produce better calibration result than the EmoQ software with the MR-1. The main strength of the MR-1 is its amplifiers, but you may not hear much of a difference. I say “may” as I have not had the chance to review in house that model but the Onkyo amps performed well against external amps under modest load. So without having an MR-1 in house my general feeling is the Onkyo may perform as good or better at a lower cost for most applications. -Jon

@rogerdjs

Жыл бұрын

@@ripewave Thanks for the reply. I am leaning towards the Emotiva & Marantz Cinema 50 / SR7015. I've owned two Onkyo receiver and the HDMI cards failed on both the TX-NR809 and 929. They provided good power and were loaded with options but they lacked reliability and I would like to avoid the third times a charm. The Emotiva also boast a Class H power supply which in my experience based on the 5 Soundcraftsmen Class H amplifiers I own are one of the most efficient, powerful and reliable amps I've owned. My other concern with Onkyo receivers is the pre output section (RCA) only produce about 1V output. Emotiva is 2V rms and Marantz is 1.2v rms which in my case is necessary since I own and collect an abundance of vintage Power Amplifiers that require more than 1V signal to perform at their maximum potential, especially the Pro amps. But the biggest eye opener was when I called Onkyo to ask about the RCA Voltage output they had a hell of a time locating the information while Emotiva and Marantz didn't flinch...

Just purchased an open box rz50 at best buy and i noticed that i am able to hear every single volume change as I'm holding the volume button up or down... it is especially noticeable when the subwoofer is on it sounds like a drum kick on every single volume increment. Is this normal on this receiver or should I consider returning it?

@ripewave

6 ай бұрын

That shouldn’t happen. It certainly wasn’t present on the unit I had. I would return or have serviced under warranty. -Jon

@Sluggerrr

6 ай бұрын

@@ripewave thank you for confirming that i had an onkyo txnr6100 before the rz50 and did not have that issue.... I guess open box is always hit or miss

Most room correction systems will manage to somehow EQ your speakers. The real challenge is Subwoofers and of course the low end on large Tower Speakers. That's where some systems like YPAO just fall flat, while Audyssey and Dirac do a good job. I haven't tried AccuEQ on my RZ70, so I can't say how well it handles the Subs, but Dirac with BC MultiSub did almost perfectly, apart from setting the Sub levels a few db too "hot".

@ripewave

3 ай бұрын

Yes - the more subwoofers you have will increase the need for a correction system that can independently manage the low frequencies and make phase corrections. In hindsight, when I ran YPAO, it was after I have manually positioned the subwoofer, balanced levels and set phase adjustments directly on the subwoofer controls manually using REW. As such, YPAO didn't have to do much on the subwoofers. Had I placed the subwoofers in a less then ideal location with its settings at the factory default, it would have had needed a lot more help from the processor side calibration. -Jon

I completely agree on the dirac mobile app experience. I have the rz50 and upon exporting it did still overwrite all 3 slots. There's no reason for that to happen. It needs to be changed so it only uses one slot. It's disappointing seeing this sought after software presented/used in a poor manner.

@ripewave

Жыл бұрын

I don't get it. Isn't memory inexpensive in this day? Why not provide unlimited slots? -Jon

What would be best for 5.1.2 with 8k ,4k 120hz -Rz50 ,marantz 50 or denon avr 3800h. Future proof? Hardest part of choosing is big savings with onkyo as is selling a little over 1k on amazon now

@ripewave

Жыл бұрын

Unless you want Auro-3D the Onkyo TX-RZ50 would be a great choice for 5.1.2 and 8K/4K. The Marantz and Denon give you Auro-3D and multi-sub, but otherwise you are paying more for aspects that are more preference oriented. It is my feeling that of the models listed, none of them are more “future proof” than the other. The good news is we have reach a point in home theater enhancements whereby the release of new standards has slowed way down and the brands are mostly caught up. Even those that claim to be “modular” or “expandable” have a shelf life and not always longer then those that aren’t. -Jon

@crw31399

Жыл бұрын

@@ripewave thank you!

Hi John,the onkyo is 1419 dollar and the denon is 1577 here in Europe.Which one would get at thid price?

@user-er5jg9hl8l

10 ай бұрын

Onkyo rz50 and denon 4800h

@ripewave

10 ай бұрын

I may go with the Denon for Auro-3D support but realize that you will need to pay for the Dirac license to realize it’s potential. -Jon

Thoughts on low level listening between the units. Don’t think I can live without dynamic volume on my Marantz.can’t listen at reference all the time…

@ripewave

Жыл бұрын

I rarely listen at reference levels. However I have not spent enough time time with dynamic volume to compare the Marantz implementation with the dynamic loudness technology Onkyo is using. I understand Onkyo doesn’t support its use while Dirac is enabled. Dirac is new to Marantz so I will need to dig in and determine if Marantz has a similar restriction. For McIntosh Dirac hasn’t come to the MX123 but I believe this mode works even with Audyssey enabled. My Emotiva has a standard loudness button without dynamic adjustments and I use it regularly at a wide range of volumes with good results. -Jon

@shaolin95

Жыл бұрын

Just create different listening curves

Boivht the tz50 and very bery happy about my purchase and i come from Yamaha aventage rxa 760... Night and day difference way better

@ripewave

7 ай бұрын

So glad that has worked out for you. Thanks for sharing. -Jon

This is a good comparison. Loved the two video comparison. I'm going back & forth between Onkyo RZ50 and Denon X3800h. At the moment, i can get an Onkyo RZ50 for $1299 & its $400 cheaper than Denon x3800h and comes with Dirac included. I'm thinking of going with Onkyo RZ50. I'm don't think I'm going to use 2 or 4 subwoofer. Is there anything i will miss from Denon x3800h if i choose the Onkyo RZ50? Thanks

@ripewave

Жыл бұрын

I just got the Denon AVR-X3800h for review. I hope to discover how this model compared with the Marantz Cinema 50 and Onkyo TX-RZ50. The biggest feature the Denon X3800h has that RZ50 does not is Auro-3D support. Thanks for watching and good luck with your decision. -Jon

@RajanKannan11

Жыл бұрын

@@ripewave Thanks Jon . This is great to hear . I will subscribe & follow you for your next video on this comparison. Thanks again . I primarily used my home theater 90% for movies & 10% 2 channel music . I have not listened to Auro 3D yet.

@shaolin95

Жыл бұрын

Mainly auro3d and the multi sub output. If you have multiple subs, a minidsp will be the best option anyway BUT if you have TR like buttkickers then having at least 2 sub outputs with separate controls become much more important

@adamkrauss303

Жыл бұрын

I’m done with Denon for the time being. Just got the RZ50 because my six year old Denon fried itself from overheating in a well ventilated space and I have an even pricer Denon that has experienced a significant number of overheating incidents in a fully open shelf position.

@MusicMovies67

Жыл бұрын

​ Does the Onkyo RZ50 get warm after use?

how is the rz50 for movies and music compared to the new sony av3000es, leaning toward rz50 bx of budget says its under cinema 40 or close seems like an easy buy is the rz50 build good and does 24 dac or 32 matter. thanks

@ripewave

10 ай бұрын

I plan on bringing in a new Sony in October and will be better positioned to answer then. -Jon

4ohms just robs you off power to play it safe from overheating

How does Rz50 compared to denon x4700h ?

@ripewave

11 ай бұрын

Don't know. I have compared against the newer Denon AVR-X4800H which supersedes the X4700H. I found that the Onkyo TX-RZ50 held up well against the X4800H and I placed it in the same group, albeit slightly behind. Some say the prior generation Denon products were better then the current. However, I have not examined prior generations. -Jon

Hello,Onkyo tx-rz50 or Marantz Cinema 40 ??? Lg Martin from Bavarian😊

@ripewave

9 ай бұрын

The Cinema 40 sounds better (slightly) and have more features, but can be more expensive- not sure of the cost in Bavaria. Also - I have family in Bamberg. Beautiful region and one of my favorite places. -Jon

I new you were a deviant . 😂🤣😂🤣. I’m torn between the Integra 8.4 and Sony 7000ES . I have some in ceiling focal 8 inch 300 series speakers with focal 826D s and the Chora center with. SVS 1000 sub . I hear the Sony has better room correction for in ceiling speakers than other units . ? Do u have a opinion about my situation ?? Any feedback is appreciated . I’m loving your channel . I’m thinking of doing a big Michi system in my bedroom for my Polk r700s and another SVS sub .

What is the pre-outs power on this unit will I get full power out to my amplifiers thanks in advance...😊???Please Help !!

@ripewave

15 күн бұрын

Perhaps someone else can address with more clarity then I provided to you earlier. I wrote: The details on the pre-out voltage is not clear. While one retailer states- 1 V rms/470 ohms (Subwoofer pre-out) 200 mV rms/470 ohms (Zone 2/Zone B line-out) I am reading reports of at least 2V output. -Jon

@TheNLHAZE

13 күн бұрын

@@ripewave Thanks for your time sir however I do not believe Onkyo on their Pre-outs level is 100% correct but all manufacturers can make things on paper seen different I do very much appreciate your time and help.

@ripewave

6 күн бұрын

Unfortunately true- since measurement methods are not standardized for this market for published values, the specs are very inconsistent and make it difficult for to compare using the paper provided. -Jon

@TheNLHAZE

5 күн бұрын

@ripewave Thanks for your time sir..

Can I biamp the tx rz50 with a 5 or 7 channel amp ?

@ripewave

10 ай бұрын

While the TX-RZ50 supports bi-amping using its internal amplifiers, that facility is only for the front speakers. What I believe you are trying to do is bi-amp using external amplifiers. In that case, you can bi-amp from any receiver with pre-outs, like the TX-RZ50z. You just need a RCA Y-adapter to send the signal to both amplifiers. Nothing the receiver has to do special. Jon

@marklloyd4153

10 ай бұрын

@@ripewave thank you for saying so plainly what I was trying to say

DIRAC is for surround sound at its best when you know you know

I liked the video, but why would you set dirac up for a 7.1.4 system and then only listen back in stereo mode. You are not listening to what the DSP is correcting for. I think a comparison of each system playing a multi channel atmos track in 7.1.4 would be a more informative video.

@ripewave

Жыл бұрын

I find it easier to compare in stereo but listen to most sources in multi-channel. So what I am hearing is I need to work harder. Okay - I will give that a try for part 3 when I review the built-in amplifiers. Thanks for speaking up. -Jon

What ever happened to plug and play?

Shame you could not compare the umik vs the mic given. I would have thought that would make difference. It may have squewed the app vs application result. The only thing that is not evidence driven is how good it sounds. I thunk you may need some way of double blind testing to go along side your personal thoughts on which sounds better. Great work overall. I can imagine this was very time-consuming.

@ripewave

Жыл бұрын

Nick - You are correct, I did not report on the differences between the UMIK-1 and the included Onkyo microphone. While I did conduct some comparisons and did feel that the UMIK-1 produced between results, I felt my tests were not executed well enough to provide a good report. I wasn't certain if the improvement I was hearing was the result of UMIK-1 or other variations when measuring. Therefore, I skipped for now. On reflection, perhaps I could have. Both measurements used all the same except for the change in microphone and were executed within a day (same 9-point measurement locations, same room, same amps, same speakers, same AVR using the same level settings at the beginning of the process.) I wasn't sure what DIRAC session was loaded into the AVR slots due to the lack of labeling of the slots in the TX-RZ50. Knowing the Onkyo Controller mobile app can provide assurance which DIRAC session is loaded into which slot, I now have the assurance needed to report. Thanks for raising. Yes - a double blind listening test is a more scientific approach, but hard to organize as one-man operation. As an alternative to that, I have been asking my 8-year-old son to give his opinion of what is better. He doesn't know which unit is on input A, B or C, he doesn't know what each model costs or which one is expected to sound better. I change the input, but I do know those details. He just knows what he prefers. I change the order (B-A-C, C-B-A, A-B-C, etc) and he tells me better or worse. His selections have matched mine every time. These differences don't require a golden ear. This video did take a lot longer to produce than others. Thanks for listening and sharing your thoughts. -Jon

@nickmaddalena985

Жыл бұрын

@Ripewave Audio thanks for replying and sharing your video with us all. I went to the Australian hifi 2023 show about a month ago. Anyway I was chatting with one of the distributors on my impressions on what sounded good and was asked to guess prices of different speakers and I was wrong nearly every time. By looks and knowing thr brand made it easier. I find that hifi is super subjective when you go beyond clarity and presence. Some setups had a emotional response and some did not. Those with emotional response made me want to buy and those that sounded great did not. What I am trying say is that I love how to say things like clearer and not as veiled. I would love to hear a more articulate description of what you mean by better in your videos. Thanks for your awesome videos.

The Emotiva has one thing most processors let alone receivers would never have. Fully Differential Balanced Topology at least in the front channel stages. The others go through summers, and then phase splitters to cut costs. It is part of the reason the Emotiva sounds gutsier than many others. The very high end processors may or may not use fully Differential Balanced Topology. Same would hold true with lots of amplifiers out there. Onkyo has a long to go to prove to me their products deserve my money. I sold them years ago, and they were really good. Same thing with Pioneer Elite. Maybe this 2nd chance might be right. We'll see.

Ive had an older av then buought this. At 50 its a bit alien to me Dirac.

I agree, you are accurate in comments. I first bought the RZ50 and I really liked the sound but it was triggering the protection in my external amp when switching modes. I then tried the Cinema 50 and was not happy with the sound it output. I then waited for the Denon X4800H and it beat both in sound. It showed how veiled the sound of the Marantz Cinema 50 is. I am happy now with the Denon. Hopefully you can test the X4800H next. Thanks

@shaolin95

Жыл бұрын

What amp? My rz50 had zero issues with my monolith 7x or osd amp I tried

Interestingly, here in Germany the Cinema 50 is 160 € cheaper than the tx-rz50, which is at 1599 €. Seems to better reflect the sonic situation.

@robertjira7365

6 ай бұрын

..So what did you pick?, cinema 50 has auro, Im still not sure if Its not better way with Marantz, plus heos should be better for streaming 🤓

@MiccaPhone

6 ай бұрын

@@robertjira7365 i picked the Denon X4800H - one class higher at sub 1500€.

I know I am late to the party. I have an Onkyo RZ830; several years and milage put on it; it still rocks! I would think that the RX50 is a HUGE Upgrade, correct?

@ripewave

8 ай бұрын

As I don’t have experience with your generation of Onkyo models I will put it out to the group to weigh in. I will say that the main add with the RZ50 is Dirac Live and from experiments this week comparing Dirac against AccuEQ I didn’t find a noticeable difference if you simple use the default filter curve with Dirac. If you are comfortable with fine tuning filter curves you will have more visibility and control with the Dirac Live that comes with the RZ50. However, use the full Dirac app on s computer and not the Onkyo Controller mobile app.- Jon

@CSEducator

8 ай бұрын

@@ripewave thanks for your quick reply. I can’t wait to hear what your group has to says about the comparison.

What is the normal operating temp for this unit?? Thx

@ripewave

6 ай бұрын

I don’t know. I didn’t measure while I had it. Jon

I have the RZ50, upgraded to the Arcam AVR30, night and day difference, complex setup, but blows my RZ50 away in SQ...

@ripewave

Жыл бұрын

Lots of positive reports from those who upgrade to Arcam. The internal amplifiers are said to make a difference. Are you using the internal or external amplifiers? -Jon

@bigcdub

Жыл бұрын

@@ripewave Internal, since all channels are actually driven to what's specified, huge difference...

@BrianGarside

Жыл бұрын

Well you certainly pay for the SQ at $5k+ Good to know though!

@bigcdub

Жыл бұрын

@@BrianGarside Didn't even pay close to that, got it open box for $2200!

@BrianGarside

Жыл бұрын

@@bigcdub Good deal wow!

Price this onkyo??

@ripewave

10 ай бұрын

Between $1,200 and $1,600 USD depending on the retailer.

Onkyo tx-rz50 or a marantz sr7013

@ripewave

10 ай бұрын

Onkyo TX-RZ59 sound quality + Dirac - Jon

Strange. I only used the mobile app and I have all 3 slots.

@ripewave

10 ай бұрын

Okay - sounds like a missed something. Thanks for sharing. -Jon

I would never be using my AV Receiver for 2ch Music, l prefer to use front left & right preouts of the AV Receiver to attach Stereo Amp, that has Processor Mode, then plug music sources into the Stereo Amp like a network music player. Just use the Stereo Amp running front speakers for Movies. You then get more enjoyable music playback

@coreyhurst469

Жыл бұрын

Same for me. Music on an AVR has never sounded right to me. Picked up a Lyngdorf with room correction and HT bypass. It’s amazing.

@MusicMovies67

Жыл бұрын

@@coreyhurst469 That's great, yeah music is more my passion than movies

Какой цап стоит в этом аппарате

@ripewave

13 сағат бұрын

I have not been able to obtain that detail. Maybe someone else here knows. -Jon

I have a cinema 50 and a Rz50. I honestly think my Cinema 50 sounds light years better than ny onkyo. My Rz50 sounds good but not as musical as my marantz

All I can say: X 1.25 and it is listenable otherwise I would I jumped out of the window. Otherwise thx for the report.

@ripewave

10 ай бұрын

Please don’t jump out the window.

There is another good expert YT video explaining why 4 ohm setting is bad for your sound quality but must be included to comply with energy consumption regulation stuff. That's why the manufacturers offer this setting possibility. As for Denon, they don't have the setting in the OSD, so normal users (those not reading the paper/pdf manual from a-z) will not accidently stumble over it when browsing through the settings menus and submenus, so they won't be tempted to change the default 8 ohm setting towards 6 or 4 ohm. Obviously, Denon does not want users to change this, otherwise they would've included it in the OSD, easily accessible, and also in the setup wizard. Actually, with Denon, you have to press two certain front panel buttons simultaneously for 3+ seconds and then change the setting from here. No user will do this accidentally. Wise design decision by Denon. So they comply with regulatory rules and at the same time ensure optimum sound quality for 99% of users (only the 1% who RTFM systematically run danger of doing the setting worse by setting it to 6 or 4 Ohm). Edit: It is the video from Audioholics called "AV Receiver Impedance Selector Switch: How Should I Set It?"

be nive just to bring the damn thing home connect it up and use it hey lol

@ripewave

5 ай бұрын

No - you can choose your own adventure. -Jon

@alfredbrown7608

4 ай бұрын

Totally agree

Just letting you know there is some sort of high pitch low volume noise in your video that is super annoying when using iems.

You ask at the end : "What do you think?" I think the title of your video is misleading : "Onkyo TX-RZ50 AV Receiver Sound Quality, Room Calibration vs. Marantz and Emotiva". I was expecting a comparison of the sound quality of those 3 amps. Instead, it's a tutorial about Dirac. I had to suffer a very long and boring video to find out at the end that : "...I won't do a multi channel comparison..." You are skipping over the important part. Who cares about the room correction? Most of the programs are more or less the same. What we want are infos about the quality of the sound! Comparisons about soundstage, dynamics, clarity, punch, seperation, imaging, sound signature, etc. I am shopping for a new amp and I thought this video would help me choose. What a waste of time.

@ripewave

2 ай бұрын

I appreciate honest feedback. This was a multi-part series where the last part covered the sound quality. I divide into several video as we cover a lot of ground. The audience can decide which part to view. Those mainly focused on the sound quality, then they can skip the first parts and go right to the end. -Jon

Bought a onkyo tx rz 830 in 2019 , then in 2023 started to function erradicly , took it to the Onkyo dealer in Lisbon ,Portugal named Tecnologica , after 4 months in there thei told me that it was better send it to the trash , because the mother board was malfunction and Onkyo no longer as substituting parts ..... that was a 1500 euros amp.... so.... Onkyo .... no more thanks

Somebody come buy my RZ50. I'm about to try a Sony AZ7000ES

@ripewave

Жыл бұрын

Did you experience issues with the RZ50? I have had a few report quality issues I did not experience with my unit. I am trying to understand how careful this audience should be with Onkyo products. -Jon

blah blah bo demo just blabber

@ripewave

10 ай бұрын

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