One more afternoon | Captain Ahab: The Story of Dave Stieb, Part 4 | Dorktown

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The end of Dave Stieb’s career was as poetic, fascinating, and shocking as the rest of it. To this day, we debate what it all meant, and where his legacy belongs. But long before he hung up his cleats, he told us how this would go. He would not go quietly. It would be loud.
Written and directed by Jon Bois
Written and produced by Alex Rubenstein
Correction(s):
• At 28:05, Larry Walker’s initial performance on the Hall of Fame ballot is reflected incorrectly, both on screen and in the voiceover. Walker actually received 20.3% of votes on his first ballot, not 10%.
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  • @SecretBaseSBN
    @SecretBaseSBN2 жыл бұрын

    this concludes our four-part series, Captain Ahab: The Story of Dave Stieb. Alex and i have had tons of fun putting this all together, and we hope you’ve enjoyed it as well. there is one fairly minor but very real error to point out: in the Hall of Fame chart, Larry Walker is reflected as having received 10.2% of the BBWAA vote on his first try. in reality, he actually received 20.3% on the first ballot, and didn’t fall to 10.2% until his fourth ballot. apologies to Mr. Walker. anyway! please enjoy! - Jon

  • @cheighes1

    @cheighes1

    2 жыл бұрын

    You two are legends.

  • @r.t.h.k.o

    @r.t.h.k.o

    2 жыл бұрын

    Very cool!

  • @actuallynotsteve

    @actuallynotsteve

    2 жыл бұрын

    This series is one of the best you've ever done, it's truly a masterpiece. The segment about his back to back failed 9th inning no-hitters is some of the most memorable content of all-time.

  • @FoolishBaseball

    @FoolishBaseball

    2 жыл бұрын

    dang I hope Larry Walker gets in

  • @JWex-jy7sk

    @JWex-jy7sk

    2 жыл бұрын

    Jon and Alex I’m begging y’all, we need a Dorktown history of the Rochester Seagrams/Rochester Eber Seagrams/Rochester Pros/Rochester Royals/Cincinnati Royals/Kansas City-Omaha Kings/Kansas City Kings/Sacramento Kings The world needs to know what Kings fans have experienced!

  • @jacobretts7525
    @jacobretts75252 жыл бұрын

    I am now a Mariners fan, a falcons fan, a Dave stieb fan, and I'm naming my son Bob and I will force him to play a sport at the professional level.

  • @Hazztech

    @Hazztech

    Жыл бұрын

    Make sure it's professional poker.

  • @mrsmiley4842

    @mrsmiley4842

    Жыл бұрын

    hahaha me

  • @xackfactor8592

    @xackfactor8592

    Жыл бұрын

    Same

  • @Donald38

    @Donald38

    Жыл бұрын

    maybe feed him breakfast every morning too

  • @Brivalia

    @Brivalia

    Жыл бұрын

    Just make sure he does a full body workout every other day for 5 times a week

  • @pat_finnerty
    @pat_finnerty2 жыл бұрын

    Absolute masterpiece. Now let's get #37 to Cooperstown.

  • @brettveldboom2296

    @brettveldboom2296

    2 жыл бұрын

    The greatest crossover in history, pat is a bois fan. Can we get a “what makes this player stink” video with you and Jon

  • @shanearnold7781

    @shanearnold7781

    2 жыл бұрын

    never a better time for a little stinkers episode on the baseball hall of fame

  • @thedude3065

    @thedude3065

    2 жыл бұрын

    speaking of #37 why is Teoscar Hernandez allowed to wear it? I think it should be retired with Halladay's 32 and Alomar's 12

  • @rzfx123

    @rzfx123

    2 жыл бұрын

    PAT?

  • @scrub_jay

    @scrub_jay

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@brettveldboom2296 Or Jon using numbers to explain why Beato sucks. Beato!

  • @Jon-ld3jl
    @Jon-ld3jl2 жыл бұрын

    The best part of this series isn't what it said about Dave Steib, but how it completely demolished that bum Jack Morris. A true masterpiece of character assasination.

  • @MKPiatkowski

    @MKPiatkowski

    2 жыл бұрын

    To be far, Morris demolished himself. They just documented it.

  • @DoctorCyan

    @DoctorCyan

    Жыл бұрын

    @Fries Yeah, he was a great pitcher, but a ripe jerkass

  • @avsfan331940
    @avsfan3319402 жыл бұрын

    "One of the greatest pitchers in the entire history of the Seattle Pilots" Fantastic callback. I'm in awe.

  • @Myriadys

    @Myriadys

    2 жыл бұрын

    It took me until reading this comment to realize what that meant. Thank you.

  • @kvltizt

    @kvltizt

    Жыл бұрын

    The extended Dorktown universe

  • @kvltizt

    @kvltizt

    Жыл бұрын

    The extended Dorktown universe

  • @ianalex9062

    @ianalex9062

    Жыл бұрын

    I’m pretty sure I genuinely laughed out loud the first time I heard that. It was such a great callback.

  • @rhphoenix5
    @rhphoenix52 жыл бұрын

    As a jays fan, knowing that Morris was gonna be a Jay this whole time made the Morris steib rivalry so much funnier

  • @mcgarnagizzle

    @mcgarnagizzle

    2 жыл бұрын

    At least they didn't rub it in by pointing out Morris was the first Jay to win 20 games, worst of all he did it with less quality starts then wins

  • @GabrielRodriguez-mc4me

    @GabrielRodriguez-mc4me

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@mcgarnagizzle He also never won cy young award either.

  • @russellsanford9547

    @russellsanford9547

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@mcgarnagizzle He also pitched with a much better team behind him

  • @qfmarsh64

    @qfmarsh64

    2 жыл бұрын

    I had completely forgotten.

  • @mrslipnslide251

    @mrslipnslide251

    2 жыл бұрын

    Wasn't Morris the guy who did some kind of racist accent/impression when he was talking about Ohtani last season?

  • @gteather1
    @gteather12 жыл бұрын

    I grew up a gigantic baseball fan in Southern Ontario, though I've lived in/around Seattle the past 16 years (still a die-hard Blue Jays fan though my son is understandably a Mariners fan and we go often). Stieb and Halladay are my two favourite Blue Jays.. This is the most special, meaningful content I've seen in years. I can't thank you enough.

  • @murray1978

    @murray1978

    2 жыл бұрын

    Who do you take the mound for game seven: Prime Doc or Prime Stieb?

  • @AT-il2ej

    @AT-il2ej

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@murray1978 Whew. Steib but man that's close

  • @gteather1

    @gteather1

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@murray1978 Ooof.. It's a great question and very tough. I'll take Prime Doc for two reasons: (1) his strike-out to walk ratio was unreal and considerably better than Stieb's -- though I think this is a reflection of the eras.. pitching getting better over time; (2) his prime was later in his career when he had really figured things out: a veteran advantage.

  • @murray1978

    @murray1978

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@gteather1 Agreed. Doc's prime was ten years from 2002 to 2011. He would have won the Cy in 2005 if he didnt break his leg. He would throw 7-9 complete games a year. I miss him. DeGromm and the pitchers nowadays don't throw more than 6 innings a start. If Doc was in his prime in 2015, he probably would have won 25 games for the Jays.

  • @gteather1

    @gteather1

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@murray1978 That's right. Stieb threw even more complete games, but Doc was really an outlier in the 2000s. Earlier this week the Padres pulled consecutive starters who had no-hitters going and modest pitch counts. I understand the strategy but it's tough!

  • @maxaronovitz
    @maxaronovitz2 жыл бұрын

    A part 5 interview with Stieb would be legendary

  • @MarkPentler

    @MarkPentler

    2 жыл бұрын

    This is a hugely good shout and I wonder if, now that his daughter has confirmed he’s seen the series, this could be arranged. Jon/Alex, shoot for the moon and put in a request. You have to. Edit: 7 votes? For fuck’s sake.

  • @jakefromstatefarm1405

    @jakefromstatefarm1405

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes, this

  • @Trevor_Leach

    @Trevor_Leach

    2 жыл бұрын

    I think they wanted to do the whole thing without his input in order to emphasize his impact on the game

  • @Innuya

    @Innuya

    2 жыл бұрын

    @Mark Pentler Jon has tweeted that he's spoken with Stieb over the phone. I'll be honest, I'm not sure how an interview would look om Sbnation? Have they ever done interviews before? I'd watch it, 100%, just not convinced it's their wheelhouse

  • @dafuzzbear7711

    @dafuzzbear7711

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Innuya yeah they’ve never done an interview with athletes before. Would be an interesting thing seeing Stieb’s opinion on it.

  • @patricks2645
    @patricks26452 жыл бұрын

    The fact that Stieb had a WAR of 56, exactly the number of wins the Jays were over .500, should be a testament to WAR as a stat as well as Dave's heroics in manifesting a winning franchise through pure will power. Get this man a plaque.

  • @johnjohnsonjohn

    @johnjohnsonjohn

    Жыл бұрын

    43.8 on fangraphs. Pitcher WAR is so iffy though and not taking anything away from Dave but the number 56 is coincidental I think

  • @fortynights1513

    @fortynights1513

    3 ай бұрын

    ⁠@@johnjohnsonjohnCoincidentally enough Stieb on Fangraphs is roughly where Jack Morris is on baseball reference.

  • @evanoster9481
    @evanoster94812 жыл бұрын

    Honestly, at a certain point Alex and Jon should be considered for journalism awards with this level of creativity, story telling and presentation.

  • @NyancyCat

    @NyancyCat

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'm pretty sure the Mariners series did win some kind of documentary award!

  • @dertfert745

    @dertfert745

    2 жыл бұрын

    probably won't even be considered for the list. It's really poetic

  • @lopenash

    @lopenash

    2 жыл бұрын

    Jon Bois is the greatest journalist of our time, if not all time

  • @anthonyjs8048

    @anthonyjs8048

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@lopenash ok pump the brakes

  • @dafuzzbear7711

    @dafuzzbear7711

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@dertfert745 I guess you could say those awards would be their white whale🤷‍♂️

  • @pamelac870
    @pamelac8702 жыл бұрын

    Wonderfully done series. I have known Dave since we were roommates at SIU in 1977/78 . . . saw him pitch his first game in relief at a Saluki game and saw him pitch in relief against the Rays in St. Petersburg in one of his last appearances as a major leaguer. In between, saw several games in Chicago when he would come to town to face the Sox, and we would always end up after the game at a friend's place if it was a weekend afternoon game. We rarely talked baseball after those games . . . just played cards, grilled steaks, etc. The game he lost to KC in 85 didn't just keep him out of the World Series, it kept me from having tickets to those games in St. Louis, and as a lifetime Cardinals fan it would have been my dream Series. The Cy Young shuns were shameful. Nice to see this videography credit his many accomplishments.

  • @ethanniedorowski116

    @ethanniedorowski116

    Жыл бұрын

    All that just to find out he wanted free tickets... did you tell Dave about this big guy? As a soxs fan redsoxs.... I can tell you he has a wicked curveball

  • @pamelac870

    @pamelac870

    Жыл бұрын

    @@ethanniedorowski116 No free tickets for the World Series. Dave asked me how many I would want and said he would have to pay for them. I told him I would like four for the game he would be pitching (to include my wife, my Dad and my brother) and that I certainly would pay any cost for that, though I'm sure he wouldn't have taken my money anyway if it had happened. I can honestly say it would have been the only time in my lifetime as a Cardinals fan that I would have been hoping they would lose. Bro's before Pro's. I'll assume your comment was made in jest. Great Series in '67 . . . I remember it well. Of course your Sox blew out the Cards in their more recent Series rematch. Enjoy your day.

  • @dogshake

    @dogshake

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you, awesome story. I’m a 22 year old white Sox fan, never heard of Stieb before this and he has one of the most interesting baseball stories of all time.

  • @themaddoc7607

    @themaddoc7607

    Жыл бұрын

    Wow were you really his roommate? Why's your name Pamela? Does Dave know about this video?

  • @pamelac870

    @pamelac870

    Жыл бұрын

    @@themaddoc7607 Pamela is my wife. Dave was my roommate 1977/78 at SIU. Pam met him in 1998 during his comeback in Dunedin before he was called up again later that year. Dave's brother Steve was the catcher on SIU's baseball team and I knew Steve before Dave. Dave transferred to SIU in 1977 and Steve had no room in his apartment, but he knew I had a roommate drop out over that summer, so that's how we ended up roommates. Pam passed away 4 yrs ago. I use her account for security and in her honor.

  • @Tvanon
    @Tvanon2 жыл бұрын

    Me before I watch this series: Dave Stieb? Never heard of him. Me after: I'm gonna name my son Dave Stieb Thank you for this amazing series. I'll be waiting for another baseball story.

  • @lala170623

    @lala170623

    2 жыл бұрын

    nah you have to name him bob dave stieb

  • @MrShanester117

    @MrShanester117

    2 жыл бұрын

    You literally just explained how you’re a sheep

  • @AlpacaLips39

    @AlpacaLips39

    2 жыл бұрын

    I’ve named players in sports games Bob. Now I have a last name.

  • @marcusfoto

    @marcusfoto

    2 жыл бұрын

    my next son is Dave Dorktown Stieb Sabini

  • @genoesposito2895

    @genoesposito2895

    2 жыл бұрын

    It has to be Bob Steib

  • @tomrevello3060
    @tomrevello30606 ай бұрын

    For those who noticed that Dave Stieb's next chance to get into the hall was December 2023 and are wondering what happened... His horrible luck continues. Since the making of this video, they changed the voting format. There are no longer ballots for 4 different baseball eras, it has been consilidated into just 2 - baseball pre 1980 and basebsll post 1980. As a result, the post 1980 ballot was loaded with players from the 90s/00s who have some of the highest WAR numbers of all time but have not been voted into the hall of fame because of their connection to using performance enhancing drugs (Barry Bonds, Roger Clemons, etc.) As long as this continues to be the format, it is going to be very very difficult to get Stieb's name on this ballot in the future because there are a lot of big names from the PED era that are not in the hall of fame.

  • @joe.bob9999

    @joe.bob9999

    3 ай бұрын

    No justice for my boy 😡

  • @fortynights1513

    @fortynights1513

    3 ай бұрын

    Should it be four eras in your opinion?

  • @dandruff31

    @dandruff31

    2 ай бұрын

    Is it by debut? If it is, Stieb is on the pre 1980 ballot and his odds are a little better

  • @treenutperson4978

    @treenutperson4978

    Ай бұрын

    and they put Jack Morris on the committee..

  • @siriactuallysara
    @siriactuallysara2 жыл бұрын

    This series is probably the nicest thing ever written about Dave steib. I hope he watches and enjoys this.

  • @Queue26

    @Queue26

    2 жыл бұрын

    According to his daughter on Twitter he has been watching, Which is awesome to know.

  • @nahx6205

    @nahx6205

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Queue26 That's awesome

  • @colinmoskaluk7812

    @colinmoskaluk7812

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Queue26 could you point out the Twitter handle

  • @Queue26

    @Queue26

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@colinmoskaluk7812 ash_stieb

  • @farischugthai5598

    @farischugthai5598

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@colinmoskaluk7812 his kid commented on Jon Bois' Twitter so check there

  • @MrBooblo
    @MrBooblo2 жыл бұрын

    On behalf of all Jays fans, we cannot thank you all enough for making the project come to life. It is a masterclass and our team gets a spotlight that it just isn't used to getting. When Dave Stieb finally gets his HOF nod, Secret Base deserves a huge thank you

  • @nerdvananorth2905

    @nerdvananorth2905

    2 жыл бұрын

    HERE HERE!

  • @paysonfox88

    @paysonfox88

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's not even close between Dave Steib and the rest of the players to put on a blue jays uniform. The only guy even close to Dave and your entire franchise history was Roy Halladay. I'll give this much to Roy though, he was so incredible that he managed to get his number retired from two teams. That's rare! The only other guy I can remember having his number retired from two organizations is Nolan Ryan , the only man to have his number retired from three organizations.

  • @darrelleaster5381

    @darrelleaster5381

    Жыл бұрын

    @@paysonfox88 Trivia Time: Hank Aaron, Greg Maddux, and Willie Mays also had their numbers retired by two teams, the Braves and the Brewers, the Braves and Cubs, and the Giants and Mets Respectively. Also Nolan Ryan isn’t alone, there’s Jackie Robinson

  • @craigwheeler4760

    @craigwheeler4760

    3 ай бұрын

    ​​@@darrelleaster5381 Greg maddux may have won a cy Young award for the Cubs, but the Lion's share of his contributions were with the Atlanta braves. That's why he, and most of us, could never have guessed it. The same thing with Hank Aaron and Willie Mays. All of their contributions as players, legitimately leaned towards one team. Nolan Ryan had his contributions with three teams legitimately recognized with his number retirement. He just played long enough to make significant contributions to those teams. Jackie Robinson doesn't even count towards this, because it was not those teams decisions to retire his number, it was instead a collective rule put into place by the baseball commissioner. The team owners voted on it unanimously. A league-wide number retirement is different from teams individually deciding on a player.

  • @TheShag944
    @TheShag9442 жыл бұрын

    it's crazy to think that he was 3 outs and a few journalist brain cells away from having 3 no-hitters a perfect game and 3 cy young's and yet 7 hof votes

  • @cdmikes88

    @cdmikes88

    2 жыл бұрын

    It’s absolutely mind blowing

  • @alexgrissom3513

    @alexgrissom3513

    2 жыл бұрын

    If he'd gotten those NH's and Cy's he would've been unanimously voted in

  • @josephkrengel

    @josephkrengel

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@alexgrissom3513 If he'd done it in NY he would have definitely gotten more votes, in any case.

  • @harper-leightonscott4566

    @harper-leightonscott4566

    2 жыл бұрын

    I mean if his counter part Saberhagen couldn't get in (with the hardware) no chance thag stieb will

  • @qfmarsh64

    @qfmarsh64

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@harper-leightonscott4566 Saberhagen was a filthy SOB, too. If Jacob deGrom ever gets in, Saberhagen should be asking questions.

  • @DetectiveOlivaw
    @DetectiveOlivaw2 жыл бұрын

    Here’s how you know Jon and Alex are exceptional storytellers: Dave’s quest for self-improvement, whether in pitching skill, chasing individual goals, or just growth as a person, has been something that’s been a part of this story from the beginning, but it’s only as their telling nears its end that I fully realize why the title of his book is so good: “Tomorrow I’ll Be Perfect.” Reframed slightly, it’s not a young athlete boasting about he’s going to be the greatest one day, it’s a man saying that he is imperfect now, and that tomorrow he will be better. It is the thesis statement of the Dave Stieb that Jon and Alex present: a man perpetually trying to be better than he was before, in whatever way he can, socially or professionally or athletically. That shit’s poetry, man.

  • @AllSab18
    @AllSab182 жыл бұрын

    I truly hope this is the push that gets Dave Stieb into the HOF. Thank you for putting me onto one of baseball's coolest stories- this entire series, like so many others from Secret Base, was incredible.

  • @Karmy.

    @Karmy.

    2 жыл бұрын

    If Foolish Baseball could help get Larry Walker into the Hall, then Jon can certainly help get Stieb in

  • @yuhyuhtheindigo7085

    @yuhyuhtheindigo7085

    2 жыл бұрын

    He literally won’t be considered again, did you even watch? Lol

  • @thisguy6214

    @thisguy6214

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@yuhyuhtheindigo7085 fell off the regular ballot, missed the 2018 modern era ballot, is still eligible for the 2023 modern era ballot.

  • @Anita_sensei

    @Anita_sensei

    2 жыл бұрын

    We need to create a rally behind Stieb to get him in

  • @callerfizz

    @callerfizz

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@yuhyuhtheindigo7085 lol did you?

  • @tyronasaurusrx7863
    @tyronasaurusrx786310 ай бұрын

    Dave’s up for the Modern Baseball committee in December this year. Let’s make some noise to get this guy some recognition!

  • @gabecox3548

    @gabecox3548

    8 ай бұрын

    i think they voted on eight ppl to be on the ballot in december 2022 and they’ll be inducted in 2023. stieb is not listed on the ballot :(

  • @mikemo1993

    @mikemo1993

    8 ай бұрын

    Dave got something better, and far more eternal. He got his very own Dorktown Saga✨

  • @ericfranklin1802

    @ericfranklin1802

    6 ай бұрын

    Unfortunately, they changed the damn thing again literally less than a month after this series was posted on KZread , now it’s the “Classic Era” pre 1980 and the “Contemporary Era” post 1980, which makes it all the more difficult for Dave, seeing that is irritating to say the least.

  • @arsenal-slr9552

    @arsenal-slr9552

    5 ай бұрын

    ​@@ericfranklin1802Someone in the BBWAA hates Dave Stieb

  • @christopheroliver9854

    @christopheroliver9854

    5 ай бұрын

    @@mikemo1993 Best tribute...ever!

  • @brianokamoto193
    @brianokamoto1932 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for creating such an amazing series about my favourite Blue Jay. On a personal level, my immigrant father who grew up playing baseball in Japan, would take me down to Exhibition Stadium to specifically watch Steib because he was one of the best pitchers in the league. Now that my father has moved on, Steib is more than a pitcher to me; he is a reminder of my father’s passion for baseball which he passed on to me. I hope I’ll be able to visit Cooperstown one day and see Dave Steib’s #37 jersey there.

  • @MKPiatkowski

    @MKPiatkowski

    2 жыл бұрын

    We lived near Exhibition Stadium and I think I saw all his weekend home starts the first couple of years. I lost my dad recently and feel the same. May we both get to see him in Cooperstown.

  • @drbosommd

    @drbosommd

    2 жыл бұрын

    As an Australian that only got into baseball in the 2001 and follows the Red Sox I had no idea who Dave was and now he's my favorite non Red Sox player .

  • @fingersm

    @fingersm

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@drbosommd he was fckn wicked awesome !!

  • @drbosommd

    @drbosommd

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@fingersm 👍

  • @csousher

    @csousher

    Жыл бұрын

    Game recognize game :)

  • @Encyclopedia_Brown97
    @Encyclopedia_Brown972 жыл бұрын

    Can’t wait til y’all have me weeping over a Jai Alai player with a 3-sentence Wikipedia page or something in your next project. Fantastic, as always

  • @reillymcwriting

    @reillymcwriting

    2 жыл бұрын

    Jon and Alex find a autobiography about Bob Cyclone and produce a 7 part series about it

  • @qfmarsh64

    @qfmarsh64

    2 жыл бұрын

    They have a Rickey Henderson tangential miniseries about the cop who lost his pants

  • @robertwilloughby8050

    @robertwilloughby8050

    2 жыл бұрын

    You should look up the guy I suggested (John Trollope)!

  • @thenoltzone498

    @thenoltzone498

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@reillymcwriting In The Eye Of The Hurricane: The True Story Of Bob Cyclone.

  • @HammerJammer81
    @HammerJammer812 жыл бұрын

    Stieb was a household name in the 80's, especially for us young Blue Jays fans. He was and still is being absolutely wronged by the BBWAA. My fingers are still crossed he finally gets his day.

  • @whatfoodeats
    @whatfoodeats Жыл бұрын

    He’s in the Canadian Baseball Hall of Fame, and that’s all that matters. We watched his magnificent career, and it doesn’t matter if you guys down South weren’t paying attention.

  • @darrelleaster5381

    @darrelleaster5381

    Жыл бұрын

    Look we like Dave Stieb here, even as a Braves fan and before this documentary I always assumed he was a Hall of Famer. Why he isn’t in is a mystery to me.

  • @relix7373

    @relix7373

    Жыл бұрын

    Kind of an eye roller

  • @traviswrigg5158
    @traviswrigg51582 жыл бұрын

    The coolest part of this series is honestly the emotional development of the main character. He starts out frustrated that no one recognizes his talent, and ends happy to have had a special career. He starts certain of his greatness, and ends only asking that he be in the discussion, not even believing in himself as much as he really ought

  • @wildcatterry17
    @wildcatterry172 жыл бұрын

    I genuinely laughed at the blip of why Jon thinks the writers of the 80s didn’t give Steib the Cy Young. I said it out loud, “Drugs or corruption.”

  • @Unit27

    @Unit27

    2 жыл бұрын

    I was thinking "probably coke" right before it flashed lol

  • @ericarechiga9752

    @ericarechiga9752

    2 жыл бұрын

    Ha. I said cocaine out loud to my computer screen right before it popped up. Even better that it was from the Strib since I'm from MN.

  • @DaUsualSuspact

    @DaUsualSuspact

    2 жыл бұрын

    Incidentally, I see that as a bit of a in-joke to the part in the Lonnie Smith video where Jon freaked out over coke presumably making you an other worldly player in the 80s.

  • @ChainsGoldMask
    @ChainsGoldMask2 жыл бұрын

    Him catching that home run is just about the most unbelievable thing I’ve ever seen.

  • @marblemint7612
    @marblemint76122 жыл бұрын

    this is genuinely the most heart-wrenched i've felt watching a documentary about a person who i didn't even know the name of going in. to jon and alex, i cannot begon to express how much dorktown has made me love and find sentiment in the game of baseball that i've loved for so long, whether it's for my all-too-familiar hometown mariners or dave stieb, an anomaly who "has no place in our world", as you might say. know that you have brought cathartic tears out of many, and brought inspiration to so many more 💚

  • @haydenanderson2121
    @haydenanderson21212 жыл бұрын

    Jack Morris’ speech after winning the ‘92 World Series might be the funniest thing I’ve ever seen. Immaculate.

  • @MKPiatkowski

    @MKPiatkowski

    2 жыл бұрын

    And he sucked in that series to boot. What a doofus.

  • @harveyholmes9533

    @harveyholmes9533

    Жыл бұрын

    It’s the bringing your ex up on a date of victory speeches

  • @ethanniedorowski116

    @ethanniedorowski116

    Жыл бұрын

    That look jaun gave was on point

  • @fortynights1513

    @fortynights1513

    Жыл бұрын

    That rhyme had me chuckling. Fun fact: Morris’s fangraphs WAR is about the same as Stieb’s on baseball reference, and vice versa. Don’t get me wrong, Stieb is definitely better, but I find that interesting.

  • @haydenanderson2121

    @haydenanderson2121

    Жыл бұрын

    @@fortynights1513 they both deserve to be in Cooperstown, it’s just that our hero isn’t.

  • @Dannnnnnnnazzz
    @Dannnnnnnnazzz2 жыл бұрын

    "Let faith oust fact; let fancy oust memory; I look deep down and do believe." Another heroic tale by Mr. Bois that I am sad to see end but appreciate all the more.

  • @Solinaru
    @Solinaru2 жыл бұрын

    Absolute legends. o7 There's a ton of people in the Hall of Fame, but there's only one person that has a documentary done by a channel that's rated for having the BEST use of adding 'more jazz'.

  • @jimgillett2122
    @jimgillett21222 жыл бұрын

    If i was Dave Stieb being the subject of this absolute masterpiece of a documentary would be an infinitely higher honour than entry into the Hall of Fame. Phenomenal work gentlemen.

  • @andrewandersen5671
    @andrewandersen56712 жыл бұрын

    "Just another baseball" this line and the story of Dave Stieb almost broke me. He had the greatest called shot of all time. In fact I think he had the only called shot ever.

  • @bleasher
    @bleasher2 жыл бұрын

    I’ve been dying to see how it goes for Steib, but as a card carrying member of Bois’ Boys, I feel it’s my duty to wait for the melancholic tones of a saxophone-soundtracked video to see how this resolves.

  • @flickmonger87

    @flickmonger87

    2 жыл бұрын

    I've spent every day since March 1 fighting the urge to look up Dave on Wikipedia

  • @leonardlumbers
    @leonardlumbers2 жыл бұрын

    Jon/Alex: you nailed it. The ‘92 World Series parade speech is the keynote address. This is incomplete without it, and you’re brilliant for including it. Hell, I’ll put it up there with some of Churchill’s for nailing a mood. Hey, Dave: it’s Len. The OG fans have your back, always will. But what Jon and Alex have done this spring is a wonderful bit of storytelling and wrongs righting that’ll plant seeds for an era of newfound appreciation. The richest individual story in Blue Jays history has found its narrative and its voice.

  • @MKPiatkowski

    @MKPiatkowski

    2 жыл бұрын

    Couldn't have said it better. Isn't it great that the wider world is now learning what we always knew? Dave Stieb was/is special.

  • @warpdrivefueledbyinsomnia8165
    @warpdrivefueledbyinsomnia81652 жыл бұрын

    1:09:47 A bit of additional context; Roy Halladay passed away unexpectedly and tragically at the age of 40 due to an accident at sea in November of 2017. He was inducted to the Hall of Fame in January of 2019. Just slightly over a calendar year separated his untimely passing from his vote-in. His career stats are certainly HOF worthy, I'm not arguing otherwise. But, I feel that many of the voters were experiencing a bit of the Kurt Cobain effect when reviewing his career. Halladay never had the chance to make a retirement breaking comeback, like Stieb did. And, that tragedy may have also played a part in their vote. There are elements to Halladay's HOF election that aren't present with Stieb's. That doesn't excuse what the HOF voters are doing to Stieb. This just may help a bit with explaining the difference.

  • @fortynights1513

    @fortynights1513

    Жыл бұрын

    Not only that, but Halladay didn’t have any prime ending injuries so everyone got to see his career play out, and how good he would be, whereas Stieb may have had a prime year or two left when his 1991 season was ended early.

  • @qfmarsh64

    @qfmarsh64

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@fortynights1513 and the opportunity for playoff/World Series heroics, another ace in the hole Morris has that Stieb does not. Morris probably doesn't make the Hall without his 10-inning masterpiece in Game 7 of the '91 Series. You know, the one that he would have taken the L on if Lonnie Smith remembered how to run.

  • @knubbelidoo

    @knubbelidoo

    Жыл бұрын

    The other difference is in the writer's own behavior. Halladay was - even in his Toronto days - widely known and talked about as one of the best pitchers in the league, with five top-5 CY finishes in addition to his two trophies. His endurance was also probably more widely celebrated, because his 7-9 complete games every year just felt so out of his time. Doc's HOF worthiness was never in doubt, and with his shoulder being as dead as it could be at age 36, he wasn't gonna come back either. Maybe his early death and what you described turned him from a sure inductee into a first-ballot inductee, yes.

  • @knubbelidoo

    @knubbelidoo

    Жыл бұрын

    @@fortynights1513 Doc tore his lat and then a few months later his rotator cuff at age 35 after winning a CY at 33 and finishing second behind Kershaw at 34 (led the NL in WAR both years with 250 and 230 IP respectively). I'd call that a prime ending injury.

  • @raineob4996

    @raineob4996

    11 ай бұрын

    Halladay also had a perfect game, the thing Stieb never got.

  • @nickmontalbano9573
    @nickmontalbano9573 Жыл бұрын

    There is just something so melancholy about the phrase, “Tomorrow I’ll be Perfect.” It’s an omission of imperfection but a dedication to excellence. Admitting that the standards and exceptions change and are forever unobtainable, but convincing oneself that no matter what happens you’ll do you best and try your hardest. Edit: Milk and Cookies is clearly a euphemism for some awesome weed.

  • @CosmoNC
    @CosmoNC2 жыл бұрын

    I turn 25 today, and I’m crying about a pitcher I never got to watch play. I don’t remember moving to Dorktown, but I’m a proud resident. Thank you Jon and Alex and anyone else involved for a great series.

  • @mauricewilson7116

    @mauricewilson7116

    2 жыл бұрын

    Happy birthday. Jon and Alex are master storytellers.

  • @sageradtke4616
    @sageradtke46162 жыл бұрын

    Probably the most cathartic emotional climax I've ever seen in a documentary, and yet more proof on a colossal list that the BBWAA is a fradulent organization.

  • @SimuLord

    @SimuLord

    2 жыл бұрын

    I used to be a boxing writer, and I have in the seven years since giving up the craft in 2015 (to write about the NBA, for what that's worth) come to the conclusion that there is a certain crusty elitism crossed with a circle-jerk mentality inherent in anyone who gives their life over to full immersion in American traditionalism. Indeed, during my boxing-writer days, I had a heady argument with my editor over my admiration of Bert Sugar, the crown prince of guys who were permanently trapped in 1927 by dint of the craft. Of course the BBWAA is fraudulent. But on the other hand, the idea of a modern alternative-an algorithm that picks award winners and Hall of Famers based purely on a market basket of advanced stats-would be no better and in many ways far worse, completely failing to understand why guys like Mariano Rivera and David Ortiz were and are unquestionably deserving of their election on the first ballot, advanced stats be damned.

  • @paysonfox88

    @paysonfox88

    2 жыл бұрын

    I've always said that the baseball writers association is a fraudulent way to elect players to the Hall of Fame. The first major problem, is that there are members of the baseball writers association that don't cover baseball primarily, they just do it very little of the time. Another is that writers are not expelled from the bbwaa if they haven't significantly covered baseball in 5 years or 10 years. Another problem with the Hall of Fame selection is that it puts too much emphasis on character and personal grudges with the writers, instead of excellence on the field. Barry bonds used steroids. So did Pudge Rodriguez of the Texas rangers and Florida Marlins. So did Adrian beltray briefly in 2004 when he put up 48 home runs, then never hit anywhere near that again when he got off the juice. Barry bonds will never be in the Hall of Fame because he was a jerk to the writers of the bbwaa. Rodriguez and Adrian beltre were loved by everybody, nice to the media, and very accommodating to the writers. They are in the Hall of Fame. The baseball Hall of Fame has a major problem with excluding the home run King, the hits King Pete Rose, and the greatest pitcher of the mid 80s to mid 90s, Roger Clemens. Roger Clemens took steroids after he had a Hall of Fame worthy resume. He has already won multiple cy Young awards, and he already had well over 200 and something wins before he took steroids.

  • @bernier42
    @bernier422 жыл бұрын

    This was a like a four-hour Rewinder episode on the time Roy Halladay just missed a no-hitter in his second career start. Masterclass as always, gentlemen!

  • @KneeDeep2231
    @KneeDeep22312 жыл бұрын

    My first exposure to Dave Stieb was playing MLB the Show 17, he was one of my best pitchers throughout the game’s cycle so I already had a soft spot for him going into this. Much like the pattern this documentary displays, he was screwed and forgotten, never being put into another MLB The Show game since then. This doc really made me appreciate him 10 fold, I’m all for helping rally the baseball community to push to the HOF spot he deserves. P.S. Jack Morris is the ultimate douche and his HOF spot should definitely be traded for Dave

  • @chasestankievech
    @chasestankievech2 жыл бұрын

    As someone who has been a Jays fan my whole life, I’ve only briefly heard about Dave Stieb. Whether it’s from tv broadcasts, his name being on the level of excellence, or having a few of his baseball cards. Unfortunately I was unable to experience the initial rise to glory of the franchise. This does not change the fact I was transported on an emotional journey, truly witnessing something special for the first time, becoming invested with this amazing series

  • @ghatslol

    @ghatslol

    2 жыл бұрын

    Life long braves fan and this series made me emotionally invested in Dave Stieb a man I had never heard of

  • @aka4577

    @aka4577

    2 жыл бұрын

    Me too

  • @eliglickman7039

    @eliglickman7039

    2 жыл бұрын

    ❤️

  • @Bazil4444
    @Bazil44442 жыл бұрын

    Seriously one of the best told stories I have ever seen. Gut-wrenching, hopeful at times, but never not strange.

  • @jst25

    @jst25

    2 жыл бұрын

    But how do they mention Derek Bell and not bring up Operation Shutdown and getting arrested by the NYPD vice squad? All-in-all it was an amazing series, I'm just surprised that one of the stranger side stories got no love.

  • @thenoltzone498

    @thenoltzone498

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@jst25 inb4 they make a documentary on Derek Bell LOL

  • @kamalindsey
    @kamalindsey9 ай бұрын

    That ball sent careening into the bullpen by Higginson at the call of Parrish after all of that being caught by Dave Stieb at the literal end of his career being a one away failed no-hitter is honestly having me question the existence of divine providence over here. Dave Stieb, "The Pitcher of the 80s". I love that. Let's see them make history right in December of this year and that could be on the plaque!

  • @joeyhall3758
    @joeyhall37582 жыл бұрын

    Went from not knowing who Dave Stieb was to feeling personally and emotionally invested in his career and life. In a world of endless takes and constant commentary, this is one of the best examples I’ve seen of what sports media is capable of. Statistically thorough and emotionally impactful at the same time. This reminded me why I love sports in the first place. Much respect to everyone involved in making this series

  • @leonardlumbers
    @leonardlumbers2 жыл бұрын

    The arm should have been cloned. Or put in the Smithsonian. Twice - 20 years apart - he did something astronomically unlikely, and I’m not even sure which one’s more amazing. Twenty years old, an outfielder who’s never thrown a ball in anger. Transitions to pitching…and he’s IN THE MLB ALL-STAR GAME (!!) twenty-odd months later. Forty years old, retired five years, heads to camp as a guest instructor. Throws a little BP…and he’s pitching for an 88-win team in the impossible AL East three-and-a-half months later. Who even does that? DAVE STIEB DOES THAT!

  • @codygerard4193
    @codygerard41932 жыл бұрын

    At the end of this I wonder what Steib's white whale truly was. Was it the no-hitter? Was it the World Series ring? Was it simply being able to finally enjoy baseball in that final year? Is it his quest for the HoF? Maybe it's all of these things. Maybe Captain Ahab always needs a white whale, when he conquers one he must find another, because he has nothing without one.

  • @therocknrollmillennial535

    @therocknrollmillennial535

    2 жыл бұрын

    Strangely, I think the white whale was himself. I feel like he was constantly changing himself to do what needed to be done, and then, after coming out of retirement, being exactly who and what he'd been for so long, a world-class pitcher, was what was needed. As a die-hard Reds fan, I will go to my grave saying that Pete Rose needs to be in the HoF. After this series, I will say that even more for Stieb.

  • @finamenon

    @finamenon

    2 жыл бұрын

    I think his White Whale is on a far more basic level. I think it was recognition. All of those things he was chasing were in search of recognition of exactly who he was and what he could do for his team and the sport.

  • @MKPiatkowski

    @MKPiatkowski

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@therocknrollmillennial535 As a die-hard Jays fan who grew up watching Dave Stieb, Pete Rose needs to be in the HOF. It's bullshit he's not. May we see them both in.

  • @MKPiatkowski

    @MKPiatkowski

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@finamenon He did get recognition from Jays fans. We knew who he was and loved him for it. (It's part of being a Jays fan, being ignored by the rest of the baseball world until we pound the crap out of everyone.) His peers recognized his greatness. Just that goddamn press.

  • @Just.Kidding

    @Just.Kidding

    2 жыл бұрын

    If anything, it seems like his white whale was _the concept of catching_ a white whale, if that makes sense. It didn't matter what it was, he just needed to see it through. It was only once he no longer had one that he seemed to find some kind of peace.

  • @samm8994
    @samm89942 жыл бұрын

    Jon and Alex's storytelling abilities are remarkable. 1:03:17 made me burst into laughter that lasted for at least a minute; and the appearance of Roy's name at 1:13:39 hit me like a tonne of bricks. Can't wait to see what stories you guys tackle with Dorktown next. There's some NHL and soccer teams and players I can think of that would perfectly suit a format like this.

  • @cteixeirax

    @cteixeirax

    2 жыл бұрын

    same. "cocaine popular" might be the best headline i've ever seen

  • @mjlip311
    @mjlip3112 жыл бұрын

    You have to have a podcast episode or an interview with Dave stieb. He likes the work you guys did. I would love to hear his thoughts. On the series and his appreciation for the series. Would be amazing. And finally him to be inducted in the hall of fame

  • @Vasemmalta
    @Vasemmalta2 жыл бұрын

    You guys and gals are the only thing keeping me positive right now. More importantly, you're providing god-tier, subscription-quality documentaries and stories for free, for everyone, and that's fucking amazing. Thank you thank you.

  • @GerritCoulter
    @GerritCoulter2 жыл бұрын

    I live near Toronto. I'm about as casual a Blue Jays fan as you'll get. I've heard the name Dave Stieb a few times, but never knew anything about him. Thank you for this series. Thank you for telling me the amazing story of Dave Stieb's career. I will hold this story forever in my heart.

  • @qfmarsh64
    @qfmarsh642 жыл бұрын

    When he gets to the Hall, I hope his plaque says HERE'S SOME DAMN CHARTS. I also fervently believe you two and Jomboy and Bailey and others will be there, too. If baseball still exists in 20 years, then the flame was kept alive by you guys and not any of the clownfucks running the show now.

  • @michaellinehan710

    @michaellinehan710

    2 жыл бұрын

    That, or "WAR. What is it good for? Absolutely nothing!"

  • @harper-leightonscott4566

    @harper-leightonscott4566

    2 жыл бұрын

    He's not getting into the Hall :/

  • @Donald38

    @Donald38

    Жыл бұрын

    @@harper-leightonscott4566 you are going to be wrong

  • @harper-leightonscott4566

    @harper-leightonscott4566

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Donald38 I'm going to be right if bret Saberhagen isn't in the hall with the same amount of WAR roughly and 2 cy's than stieb has no chance

  • @johannlee4671

    @johannlee4671

    Жыл бұрын

    Although I would love to see him in the Hall, I don't think he will get in. The criteria used to select players are quite inflexible. Sorry to get off topic a little but I think It's high time that the Toronto Blue Jays get off their high horses and scrap the ridiculous policy of not retiring any player's number unless he's in the Hall. It seems to imply they can't tell who are the greatest Blue Jays and needed the Hall to validate their choices. Stieb and the late Tony Fernandez are long overdue to have their numbers retired by the Jays, but I doubt that will happen

  • @PaulSavagecomedy
    @PaulSavagecomedy2 жыл бұрын

    I said it on the first one. "I can't believe I watched 45 minutes about a player I never heard of in a sport I actively dislike and I can't believe I'll watch three other 45 minute episodes. Not only will I do that, I'll watch nearly 4 hours of the stuff in the end. And I'll be moved to near tears twice. God Bless you Dave Stieb. Now, and presumably forever, my favourite baseball player.

  • @stevenrose86
    @stevenrose862 жыл бұрын

    As a Brit who has never even watched an inning of Baseball in is life, I thoroughly enjoyed this series, just like the Seattle series you did. It’s not gonna make me start watching baseball, but I will look forward to your next deep dive

  • @brandonthompson8640

    @brandonthompson8640

    2 жыл бұрын

    to be fair, Baseball is boring as hell on TV most of the time, much better experience if you're at a game in person.

  • @TheOtherBradBird

    @TheOtherBradBird

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@brandonthompson8640 That way, even if it was boring, you spent a nice day in the park.

  • @JackSerafini77
    @JackSerafini772 жыл бұрын

    Amazing, I really hope Dave Stieb gets to see this and knows how much Toronto fans and the entire baseball community appreciate him

  • @balneor

    @balneor

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@KIMWEXLERGAMING Where's that info from Is any of that recorded also ?

  • @lacanm1554

    @lacanm1554

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@balneor jon posted about it on his twitter

  • @balneor

    @balneor

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@lacanm1554 Ok

  • @devymetal4713
    @devymetal47132 жыл бұрын

    Thank you from every Blue Jays fan - a team whose home market literally touches three oceans. Our boys never get their due from America. It's so great to see such a massive and wonderful deep dive focused not just on Canada's team (until we get the Expos back), but on Dave Stieb. No Blue Jay is more deserving of this dedicated documentary, and tying it to the great Roy Halladay was a perfect chef's kiss.

  • @willode2506
    @willode25063 ай бұрын

    I don’t even like baseball I just watched this four part four hour documentary about it because the writing is so damn good. Well done you guys! Thanks for telling the coolest/strangest stories out there.

  • @ryanfisch7047
    @ryanfisch70472 жыл бұрын

    This series makes me want a Blue Jays Stieb jersey. I love sports and I am glad that you introduce us into different people a new sports perspectives. Thank Jon and Alex

  • @northstarjakobs

    @northstarjakobs

    2 жыл бұрын

    I also want one too

  • @jamessutter6700

    @jamessutter6700

    2 жыл бұрын

    Me too! I just bought a Dave Steib autograph baseball card on Ebay LoL!!!

  • @northstarjakobs

    @northstarjakobs

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@jamessutter6700 I think it would be interesting to look at the resale price of Dave Stieb merchandise and see if it's been impacted by this documentary coming out.

  • @jamessutter6700

    @jamessutter6700

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@northstarjakobs it HAS TO have. As a matter of fact I have been watching it for weeks. I also got an 18 lot of his cards for 1.00 a month and a half ago. All of those card suddenly alone are 1.50-3.00 lol. But the autographs have gone from about 10-15 bucks to 25-50 bucks. In a month and a half. So I've been watching it since the first video came out. But this last one coming out seems to have done the deal. And people are just aware of him now. I don't really expect anything, I'm a collector/investor of baseball cards. I'll always have him. And in a way I care even more for them now than a lot of my PC. LOL.

  • @northstarjakobs

    @northstarjakobs

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@jamessutter6700 That's really cool!

  • @Thisinthat
    @Thisinthat2 жыл бұрын

    All the dislikes are from Baseball writers who didn't give Stieb the Cy Young or vote him into the Hall of Fame.

  • @sirekumasutra7022

    @sirekumasutra7022

    2 жыл бұрын

    or confused by WAR lol

  • @billkarim9715

    @billkarim9715

    2 жыл бұрын

    Jack Morris dislikes this video

  • @Just.Kidding

    @Just.Kidding

    2 жыл бұрын

    but dislikes don't exist kek

  • @eacey

    @eacey

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Just.Kidding they do you just don’t see them

  • @Bobbybauer1

    @Bobbybauer1

    Жыл бұрын

    I heard Derek Bell gave it a 👎 from his boat

  • @jordandr.j4789
    @jordandr.j4789 Жыл бұрын

    A few weeks ago I was watching the Mariners game on MLB TV and Dave Simms and Mike Blowers were talking about Dave Stieb and how he had the best slider they had ever seen… I just remember thinking “this is the crossover episode I didn’t know I needed”

  • @historyexplained916
    @historyexplained9162 жыл бұрын

    This is, by far, the greatest documentary series about a sport-related theme that I have ever seen. It was, frankly, incredible. Thank you, from the bottom of my heart. Let's do the Oilers next! #99 forever!

  • @Mandolatron

    @Mandolatron

    2 жыл бұрын

    Kurri

  • @bobbyshizz2138

    @bobbyshizz2138

    2 жыл бұрын

    Fuhr would be more their style.

  • @naverilllang

    @naverilllang

    2 жыл бұрын

    You think this is good, you should watch their documentary on the Mariners.

  • @historyexplained916

    @historyexplained916

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@naverilllang I've watched everything they've ever made!

  • @joayyboayy
    @joayyboayy2 жыл бұрын

    Just amazing Jon and Alex. I went from having no idea who Dave Stieb to being absolutely crushed by his fate at the hands of the BBWAA. Stieb belongs in the HOF.

  • @psuley1977
    @psuley19772 жыл бұрын

    It's been 24 years, and today I learned I was in attendance for Stieb's home return game in '98 against the Mets (my Mom and I always went to TO for the Canada Day series) This series has been a joy to watch for a long time Jays fan.

  • @duffman18
    @duffman18 Жыл бұрын

    The music choices are always so good in these videos. It doesn't yet said enough, but yeah they're a huge huge part of how emotionally powerful they always are. The music when Stieb retires is just so sad. Whoever picks the music is a genius.

  • @callmebomb
    @callmebomb Жыл бұрын

    Imagine if Steib had an inch of luck throughout his playing career, he coulda had one of the brightest resumes of anyone to play the game. He could have potentially had 3 no-hitters, 3 cy young's, a perfect game, and 2 world series rings. He could've been considered one of the greatest to ever step on a mound, but if if's and but's were candy and nuts, then we'd all have a merry Christmas. Even with his atrocious luck, he still managed to assemble a phenomenal career and became one of the best pitchers of his era, which is something I don't know if anyone other than him could have done. I'd argue he's one of the most important people to ever play for the Jays, just one of the million little butterfly wing flaps that brought to them to the mountain top and showed everyone that Canada can win ball games just like all the hallowed American institutions can. Even if he never makes it too the HOF, the story of the Jays, hell maybe even the story of baseball, cannot be told without him Masterful work on the part of you, Alex, and everyone else who worked on it. This is cinema right here RIP Roy Halladay, gone way too damn soon

  • @RandomAssist
    @RandomAssist2 жыл бұрын

    There goes those Secret Base boys again, have me tearing up in my living room over a team I never rooted for, sobbing over a player that played for one of my team's bitter rivals, and now about to find how I get a Dave Stieb BJs jersey and contact info for the HoF Era Committee. You guys are second to none.

  • @Verlisify
    @Verlisify2 жыл бұрын

    These series are the highest quality content when it comes to baseball. Incredible

  • @lovelymayapop

    @lovelymayapop

    2 жыл бұрын

    i swear u are everywhere from sports videos to ddr

  • @danieljones8658

    @danieljones8658

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's some of the highest quality content on KZread period.

  • @MrShitcakes69

    @MrShitcakes69

    2 жыл бұрын

    Some of the highest quality content on the platform period, in my opinion.

  • @joemathewson4198

    @joemathewson4198

    2 жыл бұрын

    Baseball doesn’t exist is really good too

  • @VideosBadIMake

    @VideosBadIMake

    2 жыл бұрын

    You gonna fuck your dog after this

  • @tommydebo5
    @tommydebo52 ай бұрын

    I've probably watched this 6 or 7 times now, it's just so beautiful to watch a person grew and learn and change. and after all the struggle and heartbreak, achieve their goal. It makes me cry every time. Then the fact he came back for just a little more, like Moonlight Graham in Field of Dreams, just makes me smile and remember that all these players who we love and hate and cheer and boo are just the same kinds of people as we are. It's really just beautiful.

  • @treefiddy209
    @treefiddy2092 жыл бұрын

    I knew nothing about Dave Steib going into this(Born in early 90's a Dodger fan). Watched this with my Dad and its always cool seeing all the current managers/coaches who used to play baseball and some of their stats. What a crazy journey it was following Stieb and 80-90's Blue Jays, got to say he has to be considered for the HoF after seeing his career presented by you guys.

  • @gjeanf2005
    @gjeanf20052 жыл бұрын

    Gonna miss Dave. Luckily I can come back whenever I do!

  • @spunkyboyo

    @spunkyboyo

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'm prolly gonna wait for the supercut :)

  • @mcbaby
    @mcbaby2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the detail and work that went into this. Dave Stieb is one of the most underappreciated pitchers of his time and hopefully this series explains to people that aren't Blue Jays fans as to why he is known as one of the best that never truly got his due.

  • @churdle92
    @churdle922 жыл бұрын

    “One of the greatest pitchers in the entire history of the Seattle Pilots” has me on the floor! God bless Alex Rubenstein

  • @churdle92

    @churdle92

    2 жыл бұрын

    “Cocaine popular” God bless Jon Bois too

  • @christopheroliver9854

    @christopheroliver9854

    Жыл бұрын

    Jim Bouton may not have been one of the greatest pitchers in Pilots history, but he is the most noteworthy, most groundbreaking, and most significant figure in their all-too-brief history!

  • @StarLightNow
    @StarLightNow2 жыл бұрын

    Who ever thought that a bunch of charts and numbers could bring a person to tears. Incredible work as always Secret Base. Hopefully, Dave gets the recognition he so clearly deserves.

  • @maloyberg
    @maloyberg2 жыл бұрын

    How in the world is there still half an hour left at 50:00???? absolutely great story telling, love the series. Thank you guys and Thanks Dave.

  • @tohrazul
    @tohrazul2 жыл бұрын

    The internet's Jon Bois and his young protégé Alex Rubenstein continue to put out the greatest sports content being produced today. Stieb is more than deserving of the Hall, and you guys are more than deserving of an award for the quality of your work. Time to guy buy a Dave Stieb jersey.

  • @lawnshark025
    @lawnshark0252 жыл бұрын

    zoomer here, late 00s and early 10s phillies brought me back to my childhood. got chills when you showed halladay's no hitters. the whole video to that point had me emotional so that was definitely a factor. amazing stuff as always

  • @paysonfox88

    @paysonfox88

    2 жыл бұрын

    Roy Halladay was the retread of Dave. He was literally the exact same player with the exact same kind of endurance, just with more strikeouts. Roy Halladay is still the last man to throw 260 plus innings in the major leagues in one season. That was almost 20 years ago now. I think he wound up with 266 or something in 36 starts. 36 starts is something we haven't seen since then either.

  • @BobSchmidt
    @BobSchmidt2 жыл бұрын

    OMG, over 4 hours of Dave Stieb content and then you randomly throw in a bagged milk joke at the end and I just lost it.

  • @anthonyjs8048
    @anthonyjs80482 жыл бұрын

    It's crazy to me that despite being a pretty big sports fan and almost 40, I never heard of Dave Steib until this series. I guess you guys covered why that is though...

  • @courtneycooper2499
    @courtneycooper24992 жыл бұрын

    I grew up in Toronto in the 80s and 90s and baseball was the only sport I ever really loved. Thank you so much for giving Dave Stieb the respect and attention he always deserved.

  • @GoSwissArmy
    @GoSwissArmy10 ай бұрын

    29:52 “no matter what happens to Stieb, it won’t be this unfortunate” and then it proceeds to be this unfortunate.

  • @denver924471
    @denver9244714 ай бұрын

    Watching this in February 2024. Stieb didnt make the ballot last December. Jack Morris was on the committee. Unbelievable.

  • @StarkRavingSports
    @StarkRavingSports2 жыл бұрын

    JOHN OLERUD SIGHTING!!!

  • @MatthewHollie1987

    @MatthewHollie1987

    2 жыл бұрын

    Still thinking Rickey Henderson is the best player?

  • @Barnaclebeard

    @Barnaclebeard

    2 жыл бұрын

    I remember eagerly listening to every game on the radio at the cottage when he was on his .400 streak.

  • @TruBoreDOM
    @TruBoreDOM2 жыл бұрын

    The last 5 minutes of this show the magic of sports perfectly and they also show why I love this channel and especially dorktown so much its those incredibly unrealistic scenarios that come to pass seemingly every other week with most of us never even realizing that they happened.

  • @SimuLord

    @SimuLord

    2 жыл бұрын

    That story about Halladay losing the no-hitter makes me wonder if the Toronto logo and the Atlanta Falcons logo are two instances of the same trickster god, taking different forms for different sports, but with the Blue Jay imbued with Canadian politeness instead of the Falcon's Joker-like nihilistic malevolence.

  • @nicholasleahy1474
    @nicholasleahy14742 жыл бұрын

    I'm from Australia. Baseball isn't a mainstream sport here, and you'd struggle to find a league outside of a major city. After your videos on the Mariners and Dave, I've signed up to play for the first time. Please keep these amazing stories coming.

  • @Brivalia

    @Brivalia

    Жыл бұрын

    How’s it going?

  • @njmksr8686

    @njmksr8686

    Жыл бұрын

    How's your experience playing? Hope you're having fun

  • @nicholasleahy1474

    @nicholasleahy1474

    Жыл бұрын

    It's been great! The club has some absolute legends that are willing to teach if you're willing to learn

  • @AmericanHearts

    @AmericanHearts

    9 ай бұрын

    How was your first year?

  • @christopheroliver9854
    @christopheroliver9854 Жыл бұрын

    The coolest baseball story ever told...and what a way to tell it! I remember 1998 well: 1. Watching Stieb make a start for Syracuse at Buffalo in his comeback bid on the day of my Ph.D. proposal defense. 2. Listening to Stieb's 1998 debut against Baltimore and listening to him battle through a challenging but scoreless inning. 3. Attending Stieb's start at SkyDome in August. There were tears when he qualified for the win after pitching five innings...I'm not crying, you're crying! Thank you, Dave Stieb, from a Blue Jays fan since day-one of the franchise!

  • @rjhaney2614
    @rjhaney26142 жыл бұрын

    Dorktown tagline spotted at 54:10 "HERE'S SOME DAMN CHARTS"

  • @leonardlumbers
    @leonardlumbers2 жыл бұрын

    Let’s petition for that damn #37 retired in Toronto. Did you know they handed it out four times in 2016 alone - including twice in spring training to no-hope walk-ons? In 2022 the Jays literally have no retired number honourees to call upon for festivities who isn’t deceased or disgraced. #Retire37

  • @KardiFan2000

    @KardiFan2000

    2 жыл бұрын

    Facts. Let's get him in the Hall too.

  • @MKPiatkowski

    @MKPiatkowski

    2 жыл бұрын

    Problem is that Teo is making himself a nice career. Might be hard to take it from him. But let him be the last.

  • @DarkDestroyer98
    @DarkDestroyer982 жыл бұрын

    This was absolutely a masterpiece. I was a kid at the end of Stieb's first tour with the Jays. Just getting into baseball and the Blue Jays were immediately my favourite team (Expos second). My favourite player was Kelly Gruber, soon to be followed by John Olerud. I knew of Steib of course...but by this time he was going through what he was going through as depicted in this part. I didn't really know the rest of his history until this magnificent documentary. Just an outstanding job.

  • @aaronwebb4269
    @aaronwebb4269 Жыл бұрын

    I had the opportunity to go to a Blue Jays game in Toronto this year. I was so happy to see Dave's name on the wall when I got to my seat. Thank you Secret Base

  • @recklssabndon
    @recklssabndon2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for this series! I have since gone through all my childhood binders of baseball cards, taken out all the Stieb cards (including a couple that are apparently valuable) and organized them in their own pages of my “Book of Bobs” which is a binder with every single Bob in the MLB. I put in a divider so that he has his own section: Captain Ahab. His page is right behind the page of Bob Gibson cards.

  • @tanderson6442
    @tanderson64422 жыл бұрын

    As someone who played hockey for 20 years that dig on Canada about The Cup is priceless.

  • @thefridge3831
    @thefridge38312 жыл бұрын

    44:10 You have to be kidding me. This convinced me Dave Stieb is the protagonist of everything. This phenomenal channel Secret Base has actually found out by, just like everything else, a huge amount of Dave Stieb's unluckiness. Where can I buy a Stieb Blue Jays jersey? Get this man to Cooperstown, from New Zealand

  • @riz3310
    @riz33102 жыл бұрын

    Without Secret Base I would never even know about Dave Stieb. Thanks y’all, your channel is friggin great.

  • @GreekInThe6ix
    @GreekInThe6ix2 жыл бұрын

    Dave Stieb: The Greatest Blue Jay in history.

  • @JWex-jy7sk

    @JWex-jy7sk

    2 жыл бұрын

    In my mind it’s either Roy Halladay or Carlos Delgado Probably just saying that because I grew up in an era where I loved watching those two, but along with Stieb those 3 are probably the Top 3 greatest Blue Jays ever

  • @thedude3065

    @thedude3065

    2 жыл бұрын

    even if Guerrero, Bichette, Manoah, Hernandez, Gurriel, or any other of the modern Blue Jay juggernauts carve out a superior career Stieb is always and forever Mister Blue Jay furthermore, why is Teoscar Hernandez allowed to wear number 37?

  • @devymetal4713

    @devymetal4713

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@thedude3065 Because the Jays have only ever actually retired one number. And then they unretired it.

  • @thedude3065

    @thedude3065

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@devymetal4713 untrue Alomar's 12 is not on display due to surrounding controversy, the dust will have to settle before that changes plus no Jay can wear Doc's 32, and it;s been that way since he died

  • @GreekInThe6ix

    @GreekInThe6ix

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@devymetal4713 yeah the Jays do the same thing as the Leafs where they “honour” numbers; only two Leaf numbers have ever been retired

  • @lordofthehouseofstormcrows8615
    @lordofthehouseofstormcrows86152 жыл бұрын

    I knew I picked Steib and the Jays on RBI baseball for a reason. So good was he, so under appreciated, underrated, and a damn important spoke in the crushing wheel that was the early 90's Blue Jays. Great job. Keep it up

  • @noahhoopengardner7677
    @noahhoopengardner76772 жыл бұрын

    This series has made me feel anger, sadness, joy, and hope more than any other documentary I’ve ever watched.

  • @danielarsenault5397
    @danielarsenault53972 жыл бұрын

    My goodness,, how you put this all together is mind blowing,!!! I really, truly hope Dave Stieb watches this,,, and also, those baseball writers,, , I grew up an Expo fan,, the Jays were a close second,, Stieb was always an enigma for me at that time,, quite the perfectionist which I did take for granted at times back then, his temperament which also at the time rubbed me the wrong way a bit,, but,, holy smokes,,this project of yours about Stieb,, my goodness,, wow,,especially with all your not so much well known behind the scenes info and so much more,, You really should get a hold of those,, 30 for 30 people to do a documentary on,, Captain Ahab,!!!! Dave Stieb,!!!!!!

  • @glennymac14
    @glennymac142 жыл бұрын

    Absolutely outstanding work. One more interesting tidbit: September 24, 1988 - the Julio Franco game - was also the same day Ben Johnson won, then lost, the Gold medal in the 100m at the Seoul Olympics. Tough day for Canadian sports fans.

  • @trizgo_
    @trizgo_2 жыл бұрын

    Growing up, I didn't really get sports, and I was one of those assholes who took pride in it to hide my lack of understanding. Called everything sportsball, cheered for whatever team was winning regardless of if it was "our team", etc. Dorktown, and Secret Base as a whole, has wholly shifted my perspective on sports. I get it now, where the emotion comes from, the celebration, the tears of pain and joy alike. Thank you, for this, and everything.

  • @therocknrollmillennial535

    @therocknrollmillennial535

    2 жыл бұрын

    Sports, poetry, music, good food. A string of beauty in the chaos of life.

  • @ScholarlyHiccup
    @ScholarlyHiccup2 жыл бұрын

    Really appreciated putting the Alan Hawkshaw tribute at the end over his song. RIP to him, Halladay and all the other legends listed

  • @fortynights1513

    @fortynights1513

    Жыл бұрын

    They use a surprisingly large amount of music composed by him in their videos

  • @flickmonger87
    @flickmonger872 жыл бұрын

    This was the time that I was moved to tears by a no-hitter thrown 30 years ago by a player I'd never heard of. I've always admired the storytelling on this channel, but this documentary has taken it to a whole new level. There is nowhere I will not follow you. And I can't wait to see where we go next.