I too play with On1 whenever a new version comes out, and am impressed by how much better it's gotten: I think their engineering team is catching up to their marketing. Most disappointing is that they don't seem to have the will to circle back to features they added during their "more hype than substance" days, and as a result, things like HDR merge and Panorama merge (for example) are still several steps behind many freeware offerings.

@Andyhutchinson

12 күн бұрын

Yea, there was definitely a rush to get to feature parity with Lightroom which didn't help them. Still I guess it's better than DxO's approach which is to iterate new features extremely slowly.

@barrythoms7150

10 күн бұрын

are you comparing to lightroom or lightroom or lightroom classic. which one is better?

@alrafter1593

8 күн бұрын

I have had On1 for years but for me this latest version has wrecked it .I can't work out why but everything is so slow. I am using 6 months old laptop with 16 GB ram , I7-I3700H processor, and RTX-4060 graphics so I don't think it is my computer. I have no problems with anything else. I have deleted it and reinstalled it but nothing improves.

@blackislepeas

6 күн бұрын

@@alrafter1593 I'd say you need to look at optimising your system and/or increasing memory - I'm using both a 4 year old desktop but with 96 GB DDR4 memory with a geforce rtx 2060 and a similar aged laptop using the 2060 laptop version but with only 32 GB memory - no issues with performance, but what you consider 'slow' may be different to me.

Thanks! I do agree with your test results! I like how easy to use ON1 interface is so at the moment I am actually using DXO Pure Raw 4 for demosaicing and noise and then the rest of the processing in ON1

@Andyhutchinson

13 күн бұрын

Nice - that's a strong combination. :)

Great, detailed, review... thanks!

@Andyhutchinson

13 күн бұрын

Cheers :)

Thanks Andy!

@Andyhutchinson

13 күн бұрын

No worries!

In the demosaicing section, are you not presuming that the threshold between highlights, midtones and shadows remains the same across applications? If one application considers highlights to be the top 30% of the histogram, and the next considers it to be the top 20%, there will be a marked difference without also controlling the midtones and shadows.

@Andyhutchinson

7 күн бұрын

Possibly, but I also used every applicable tool to try and pull-back those highlights and the information simply wasn't there - that's a demosaicing issue.

I'm new to this program, so still in my test period. I had a quite noisy picture that was denoised and sharpened via AI so it became sharper and the main subject stood out, but the picture also became too smooth so lots of details in for instance the wood disappeared. I tried to reduce the denoise to increase the details, but than it seemed to become much more noisy. I probably need to use masking to get around this. Still have to discover it further, but not sure it is a program for a beginner in AI controlled program. A suggestion for a better program for an amateur, or should I try it further as the price is acceptable for me?

@Andyhutchinson

3 күн бұрын

The best denoise at the moment is DxO's which you can find in their PureRAW pre-processing tool and in their full RAW editor Photolab. TopazLabs used to be good but definitely isn't any more. If you are on a Mac then Photomator has surprisingly good AI denoising.

I've used on1for about 3 years now . I downloaded this 24.5 version as soon as it came out. I don't know what has happened but it is now almost impossible to use it takes minutes to do anything .I am using 6 months old laptop with 16 GB ram , I7-I3700H processor, and RTX-4060 graphics. No problem with anything else.

@simonchilds2928

7 күн бұрын

I also have a really high spec AMD machine - yet this program is so slow

@alrafter1593

7 күн бұрын

@@simonchilds2928 I think I have found my problem. I re installed it twice to see if I could get it to work properly with no effect. I then looked at where it was installed. ie programs/ ON1/On1 photo raw 24.5. In that folder there was lots of files, I don't know what they do but I noticed that some had a different install date than others. I was a bit worried about it but I deleted them all. Just the files not some of the folders that are also their. Went to the install file which I had last downloaded and reinstalled it. When I restart it now it takes about a minute to a minute and a half to start but now appears to be working properly although I haven't used it much yet One problem I found was that the original shortcut doesn't work and at first I thought it wouldn't start . Just find the exe file in that folder I mentioned and it does. I haven't had time but I expect a short cut taken off it will.

@blackislepeas

6 күн бұрын

@@simonchilds2928 I'd say you need to look at optimising your system and/or increasing memory - I'm using both a 4 year old desktop but with 96 GB DDR4 memory with a geforce rtx 2060 and a similar aged laptop using the 2060 laptop version but with only 32 GB memory - no issues with performance, but what you consider 'slow' may be different to me.

@alrafter1593

6 күн бұрын

@@blackislepeas That's rubbish there are no laptops on sale with that much memory. most have 16gb. So are you saying in order to use a photo editing software you must spend tens of thousands on a computer .

@alrafter1593

6 күн бұрын

@@nightjockey3686 I was really happy with it until the last update

Another good video :) It would be nice if you could share the test RAW files so we can test on our preferred editor.

@Andyhutchinson

13 күн бұрын

Thanks mate. I'll think about that. What I might do is shoot some specifically for testing and then let anyone download and compare and contrast. :)

Thanks Andy! Question: if you start with a decently exposed image is the RAW processing deficiency as big a concern or drawback?

@Andyhutchinson

9 күн бұрын

Not so much no - it just speaks to the RAW decoding as a whole and impacts how nuanced you can be with your edits.

Andy did you reviewed latest Luminar Neo too ? is the RAW demoisaicing better than ON1 Raw Photo 2024.5 ? Thanks !

@Andyhutchinson

13 күн бұрын

Luminar didn't have the best demosaicing engine last time I tested it - On1 was definitely better. But I haven't seriously tested it in over a year. :)

Mr. Hutchinson, could you test the "Zoner Photo Studio" software?

@Andyhutchinson

11 күн бұрын

I will check it out.

I think I can appreciate your intent.... anti-Fan Boy approach.... but you're comparing such a limited toolset that you'll simply never reach any other conclusion than the one you continue to reach: On1 is never going to beat DxO's demosaicing, and never going to beat Lr's masking. Those are the respective company's class-leading, R&D-busting showcase capabilities. You buy On1 for the price-to-capability ratio. (I own/have used all three, for the record).

@Andyhutchinson

13 күн бұрын

Cheers. I compared it to everything, but for the sake of brevity in the video I just demonstrated DxO and Photolab. I actually own all the other editors except for On1 (i.e. Photolab, C1, Photomator, Pixelmator, Photoshop/ACR, Lightroom, Luminar, Affinity). I take your point about the pricing, but would point out that On1 charge for the annual upgrade and it's not a huge reduction off the full price. To be honest, if price is the main reason for purchase, I'd be far more included to get DxO Pure RAW 2024 to pre-process and maximise dynamic range in the RAW and then something like Photomator to post-process. :)

@tonygorham

13 күн бұрын

Yeah I have all those tools. I think Andy does great reviews but this isn't realistic. We are judging it on its ability to rescue poor images. That's not what I need. If I really need that frame and massively over or under processed it I would run it through dxo first. I get it right on camera most of the time

@Andyhutchinson

13 күн бұрын

@tonygorham it's always the best bet to get it right in camera, that's for sure. But it's not just about saving bad images - there's colour data that's not being picked up by On1. Admittedly you'd be fine pre-processing in PureRAW, but it needs pointing out. :)

@tonygorham

13 күн бұрын

@@Andyhutchinson yeah it's a good review and I subscribed when I found your channel last week based on your earlier review of on1. I only just got on1 this week. For 'serious' work I think I would run then through pure raw. Gotta say the portrait ai in pure raw is good. Like actually really good

@Andyhutchinson

13 күн бұрын

@@tonygorham thanks Tony. That's good to know about the portraits. It's a good point actually, I need to state that I'm a landscape photographer processing landscape shots when I do these videos. I wouldn't use C1 for landscapes for instance, but for portraits it seems far better suited.

Demosaicing: At the point of repeating myself, get it right (or nearly right) in the camera. Problem solved. Thanks.

@Andyhutchinson

13 күн бұрын

Not really. There's no sensor on the market that can always capture the entire dynamic range of a particular scene. Having better demosaicing doesn't compensate for shitty photography, it just enables you to get the best out of the image.

@johncameron6289

12 күн бұрын

@@Andyhutchinson Bracketed HDR works just fine..