Here is the memo sent out to OK school boards... www.documentcloud.org/documents/24780673-immediate-implementation-of-foundational-texts-in-curriculum

@ad-dx9gi

19 күн бұрын

Thanks for the posting Rev Ed, This is definitely a serious Topic..

@ProctorsGamble

19 күн бұрын

Thanks. As a Catholic I’m checking it out. 😣

@Nan-59

18 күн бұрын

Seriously… 😒 Poor teachers ! We will be taking the brunt of this, until he comes not a thing..

@JamieAnnInTheWorld

18 күн бұрын

I appreciate the doc link. It says it may be used for, among many topics, "comparative religion." OK, I would love to see the teacher who whips out other sacred texts from around the world for comparative purposes... BTW I took Bible Lit in high school as a choice between various junior year literature classes options. So it's not like one can't learn "from" the Bible in public schools... maybe just in Godless lefty CA where I'm born and raised, we're just too conservative, right? Thanks for sharing, Rev.

@cnault3244

13 күн бұрын

"Oklahoma Schools To Teach From The Bible" The ENTIRE Bible? Or just the "nice" sanitized bits? You know, the passages that don't inform the reader that the god of the Bible is immoral, unjust, racist, sadistic, misogynistic, and not very smart.

If they teach the truth from the Bible, those kids will go home and have nightmares. Especially the parts about incest, rape, Murder and genocide

@Insightfill

17 күн бұрын

Yes, one that's been making rounds has been "Mommy, what's 'adultery '?"

@nsbd90now

16 күн бұрын

@@Insightfill "Ask your cheatin' father, honey. He knows."

@Currin4

15 күн бұрын

Don’t forget the slavery, god being fooled by man several times, the times God does horrid acts to show off, the fact he made hell and “knows all” so he knows if you were going to go there but made you anyway….ahhhhh the Bible :)

@williamwilson6499

15 күн бұрын

Don’t forget the drugs and child abuse. Mark 14:51-52

@zackschooley5858

15 күн бұрын

@@williamwilson6499 And God telling the Israelites how to get slaves in exodus, 21

You can bet that they don’t want teachers telling kids that we should feed the poor, welcome the stranger, sell all you have, give the money to the poor and follow me. Care for the sick. Blessed are the peacemakers. Love one another.

@cowgirl9014

19 күн бұрын

Perhaps they should teach a class in high school comparing teaching of Jesus versus policies of their politicians. Im sure that class would be shut down real fast

@marylamb7707

18 күн бұрын

Why would you say that?

@whiteknight9429

18 күн бұрын

@@marylamb7707 because they believe in christian nationalism which is an idea of a strong man, beat your enemies, subjugate those into whatever doctrine you believe. This is similar to the idea that the Jewish people had as an idea of who the savior would be. The Jewish people of that time thought that Christ was going to be a leader that would get them out of the Roman rule. That he would come in and destroy the Romans. When you start listening to the christian nationalists, it almost has that same feel, fighting against some hidden enemy using whatever weapon that lays at their feet. But if you look at the actual bible, you see Christ not using any weapon. Christ told them this "feed the poor, welcome the stranger, sell all you have, and follow me".

@Sailor-Man-Dave

18 күн бұрын

@@marylamb7707 If you're responding to cowgirl9014, she's saying that because evangelicals don't want to follow the Beatitudes. They want political, racial, economic, and social domination, and they're willing to sacrifice Jesus' teachings to get it.

@marylamb7707

18 күн бұрын

@@Sailor-Man-Dave Nonsense.

As an Oklahoman and a follower of Christ, I have to say that not all of us here are fans of Mr. Walters and his foolishness. If he wants students to understand the "core values" and "historic context" of our country, they should read the Constitution. I wonder if Mr. Walters has read it. Using faith and spirituality to gain earthly political power is one of the most sacreligious acts I can imagine, the very antithesis of what Jesus taught.

@aralornwolf3140

19 күн бұрын

The constitution as well as all the other historical documents regarding its writing.

@e.458

18 күн бұрын

In my opinion it breaks the third commandment: Using the name of God as a tool for his own selfish goals.

@randallthomas5207

18 күн бұрын

@@kentanderson1890 Actually reading the “Enlightenment Philosophers”, which were read/studied by the founding fathers, and which the constitution is based on would do more for giving students an understanding of the constitution. Add in a history of the Bill of Rights, and the rest of the amendments, so they know why every amendment in the constitution was added. In fact I think all of the current Supreme Court Justices, could benefit from that.

@TheAnarchitek

17 күн бұрын

Evangelical ≠ Christian Whole lotta people gonna be on the DOWN escalator to the nether regions! '"Just saying 'Praise Jesus' won't get you into Heaven, anymore"

@stephaniesass5173

15 күн бұрын

I concur!

Just wait until the fighting starts over “whose” form of christianity is correct.

@psydd5209

19 күн бұрын

Lutherans are right of course! Except for those heretics in the Missouri synod. Scouting is good! =P

@rebeccakimble5512

19 күн бұрын

🙄

@andreendavis5073

19 күн бұрын

Hit the nail on the head. And then, whoever has their representatives holding the reigns of power, will persecute the heck out of all the other 'forms' that don't agree......ironically, it's the Bible coming to pass😊

@ShinChara

19 күн бұрын

A fight like that could go on for thirty years.

@aralornwolf3140

19 күн бұрын

@@psydd5209, I thought it was the Calvinists who were correct? Or was it the Eastern Orthodox? *Confused Atheist*

I don’t want some stranger teaching my child about the Bible. That’s why churches have bible school.

@peacemonger766

14 күн бұрын

And when you find that there are MORE than 35,000 different denomination of Christianity.......

@augiegrad80

14 күн бұрын

And it is part of your responsibility as a parent to teach your children too.

@RochelleLang

14 күн бұрын

@@augiegrad80 correct! that’s the first place they should learn

@dorothymayo7234

14 күн бұрын

What do you think the reaction parents would have to teaching The Song of Salomon??

@RochelleLang

14 күн бұрын

@@dorothymayo7234 the teacher would be jailed for grooming and we would never speak of it again 😫

When I read of this, thought of what you addressed in the middle of this. Once a teacher uses the beatitudes, sermon on the mount, golden rule, compassion and justice, the same parents and church leaders who support this will be at the school board complaining about "woke ideologies" being taught at school

@liliswenson6144

18 күн бұрын

Tim Alberta reports an incident like that not in a school but a church.

@akiram6609

18 күн бұрын

@@liliswenson6144I remember this. The pastor preached the Beatitudes and a member of the congregation approached the pastor and said that the beatitudes was woke ideology.

The inmates have taken over the asylum. This nation was founded by highly educated, intelligent men who valued reason and logic. They conducted a revolution to escape THE OFFICIAL CHURCH OF ENGLAND and thus made a constitution that allowed freedom of religion personally but also dictated that no official religion would be instituted by the government. Freedom of religion and freedom from religion.

@markpashia7067

19 күн бұрын

How did we allow the poorly educated to such high places of power?

@cesariglesias297

18 күн бұрын

People love their hatetitudes those Gym coaches that know more about protecting their peers criminals than kids or veterans or those divorced granny's about "Christianity " families values

@nickchalmers9000

15 күн бұрын

Couple of notes here. 1. The revolution was not fought o escape the church of England. There were and are plenty of Anglicans in the US. It was fought to escape the political power and tyranny of England. 2. The establishment clause is only applicable to the federal government, not state or local governments. As a matter of fact, many of the colonies were separated on largely religious means, some being predominantly Catholic, some Quakers, some Baptist. Many of these colonies, upon winning freedom from the crown and achieving statehood, instituted religious tests, aligning with the predominant religious beliefs for that state, that must be passed in order to attain public office.

@cesariglesias297

15 күн бұрын

@@nickchalmers9000 Yes the real war against Christmas was In 1659, the Massachusetts Bay Colony enacted a law called Penalty for Keeping Christmas. The notion was that such “festivals as were superstitious those lovely Puritans Christians.

@markpashia7067

15 күн бұрын

@@nickchalmers9000 That is false but you will not look it up so...

As someone who lives in Oklahoma, I am embarrassed virtually every day. Ryan Walters is a disaster. I don't know what else to say.

@duncansonoryan

19 күн бұрын

Same guy who put Nex Benedict in the situation that ended their life.

@kevintrjohnson

19 күн бұрын

​@@duncansonoryanand said that they wouldn't accept Satanist (i.e. atheist) groups.

@sharonbobbe2717

19 күн бұрын

Unfortunately, this is a virus, spreading across our "Separation of Church & State" un-UNITED States.

@senyart890

19 күн бұрын

As a Democratic resident of Louisiana I hear you. Just going to persevere until they realize they over-reached. You aren't responsible for people you voted against.

@ShannonL.

19 күн бұрын

I’m in FL I’m right there with you smh I can’t even say every day it’s more like every time I pick up my phone 🤦‍♀️

This is such a vital message! There are so many hazards in this law. Historically, people have taken so much of the Bible out of context to justify wrongs. This is dangerous.

@akaimizu1

19 күн бұрын

Yes. It's the darkest aspects of the Crusades, all over again. Not to mention, very stark examples of other well-known organizations that tried to repeat their own version of it. Forced indoctrination to a religion will never work. It'll always, as history should have taught us, has the opposite effect. There is a difference between properly inviting people to the faith, and tyranny. It seems, some still can't discern the difference.

@ingehanson

19 күн бұрын

That's why there are so many different Christian denominations. They all interpret the bible differently depending where they stand on the evolutionary scale. Then what bible are they all using. There are various translations available now. If there are Hindu students, Buddhist students, Jewish students, Muslim students they all should bring their scriptures to class and demand to be taught from them as well.

@aralornwolf3140

19 күн бұрын

Is it out of context to sell your daughter for 50 shekals of silver and if she doesn't please her master, to taker her back?

@carolburnett190

19 күн бұрын

@@aralornwolf3140 Wait until they tell them they can’t eat bacon or shrimp!

@aralornwolf3140

19 күн бұрын

@@carolburnett190, Or clothes made with mixed fabrics? *Shrugs*

Politicians dividing the peasants in order to control them.

@niradnagrom2356

12 күн бұрын

Forget the politicians; this is coming from those they're beholden to! Their wealthy donors still trying to control every aspect of American life. We are not "free" in America!

If I were a teacher in Oklahoma, I would be the most maliciously compliant teacher ever.

@jdhoward1438

16 күн бұрын

@hollyf.7846 I would teach science. I would go over the Scopes trial. THEN!!! I WOULD TEACH EVOLUTIONARY BIOLOGY. YEAH, BUDDY. Oh, I would not mind putting a list of Beatitudes on the wall....see, how THAT goes.

I live in Oklahoma, and I'm a Christian. Ryan Walters needs to go. The Bible should not be taught in public schools because there are many different sects of Christianity not to mention completely different religions.

@c.b.-

15 күн бұрын

I'm just picturing what the average science teacher will do when forced to reference the Bible in their classes. It isn't going to be pretty. There's going to be a lot of _"And this is all the ways how Noah's boat wouldn't have worked"._ 😅 ...And let's not even get started on how history teachers would tackle things.

@Davie-jx4rh

14 күн бұрын

@@lindaraezer3013 we agree but it shouldn’t be taught because it’s unconstitutional first, not the mention all the other issues

@brentwalker8596

14 күн бұрын

As a lifelong atheist I applaud Christians like you. Thank you for seeing the big picture. You might want to have a conversation with you Christian neighbors.

Thank God and you that these videos exist. In these times of chaos, you are a guiding light.

@tos100returns

18 күн бұрын

Thank KZread. There was no god used in the creation of these videos.

@kaceykelly7222

18 күн бұрын

I totally agree that these videos are a Godsend! I hope the ones on separation of church & state go viral.

As a Christian I retired in Oklahoma after life and career in New Jersey. But I haven't felt welcome in a Christian Church in the past 5 years here! When a Christian minister talk to Christ's teachings, the congregation said Jesus was too liberal! They didn't want the woke stuff of peace love and understanding!

@liliswenson6144

18 күн бұрын

In his book The Kingdom, The Power and The Glory, Tim Alberta relates a similar situation in a church. Fortunately, in my experience, it is the exception and not the rule. So far.

@stephaniesass5173

15 күн бұрын

☮️&❤️💙

@williamshafer1996

13 күн бұрын

Yes, but a lot of churches have strayed from the bible. Many have women "leaders" and preach a "rainbow" agenda. And i dont mean the ark...

@TransamJc

13 күн бұрын

@@williamshafer1996you sound like the taliban.

@johnnyfreedom3437

13 күн бұрын

@@williamshafer1996 as far as I know Jesus wasn't a fan of discrimination!

May I suggest that teachers be required to teach from the founding documents, the Declaration of Independence, Constitution, Federalist Papers, Common Sense by Thomas Paine, etc.

@sharonbobbe2717

19 күн бұрын

AMEN!

@suek.1507

19 күн бұрын

This.

@olyokie

18 күн бұрын

F’n A bubba!

@sandralamphier9433

16 күн бұрын

AND be required to show schoolhouse rock every year! 😉😂

@zinaj9437

16 күн бұрын

@@sandralamphier9433 - Much better than the PragerU stuff that's being incorporated as I type.

Tudor England alone was lesson enough. Our founding fathers were closer to that than we are. Just so crazy.

@psydd5209

19 күн бұрын

As a Lutheran I have many issues with John Calvin.

@Needabreak365

19 күн бұрын

@@psydd5209 as a human I have a lot of issues with Henry and Mary burning/torturing people. But I totally get what you are saying.

@psydd5209

18 күн бұрын

@@Needabreak365 Rule Britannia!

@timnewman1172

17 күн бұрын

​@@psydd5209 Me too... Luther vs him or Zwingli for the win.

If "Conservatives" followed Jesus then I'd be less concerned; but with their words and deeds they often oppose what Jesus told us. They treat Jesus as a get out of hell free card.

@sundayoliver3147

18 күн бұрын

Transaction does seem to be their religion.

@williamshafer1996

13 күн бұрын

Sounds like someone is afraid of Jesus and "Conservatives"

@libbycollins9349

12 күн бұрын

Jesus IS a get out of hell free card, but the challenge is we need to follow Jesus to get the card. Maybe they should put into practice what Jesus taught.

@billydavis4252

12 күн бұрын

@libbycollins9349 Jesus tells us exactly what we need to do. I agree with you. The reason I use the word "free" is people seem to have been missed by themselves or others to think they can just claim to be a Christian as they march off in the opposite direction. I don't blame most who are thinking this, because our culture has promoted this way if thinking. That makes it so important for those of us who understand to try to help point out the misunderstanding. That includes the fact I need to be reminded when I stumble. (Conveniently, I have a wife who helps keep me in check.)

@niradnagrom2356

12 күн бұрын

Excellent assessment that I'm in complete ageement with. Excellent!

I find it refreshing how you, as a Christian priest, know when Christianity is actually being used as a weapon, by the Right, in schools, and this is not acceptable for true Christianity, like the Christianity you teach in YOUR Church. It is not to be forced, but to be taken on board by those that believe.

@williamshafer1996

13 күн бұрын

I hear he is a great babysitter as well, by the way...

@poochz2

12 күн бұрын

It’s not being used by the right, it’s being used by the 2nd beast of revelation. Irony. The Bible being used to bring on the prophecies written in the Bible.

Oklahoman here, and he’s been doing this for a while. He’s definitely grandstanding but he’s been doing this since before the Louisiana Ten Commandments stunt. As a Dem living in this state, it is very difficult. I feel oppressed by the views of other Christians in my state. I’ve been a Christian my entire life here in Oklahoma and I’ve never tried to beat others over their heads with my Bible or the scriptures within. However there are those in power in our state that are choosing to do this and it’s despicable.

@senyart890

19 күн бұрын

You are probably doing more good than you know

@c.b.-

15 күн бұрын

Honestly, more Christians need to speak out about the damage that is done _to_ Christianity by trying to shove it into schools. Separation of church & state is _just as much_ for the Faith's benefit as it is for the government.

@williamshafer1996

13 күн бұрын

​@c.b.- the misunderstanding of the separation of church and state has been the greatest weapon that Satan ever managed to form. Second only to Roe vs Wade.

@robertnichols2315

12 күн бұрын

You can put governor Stitt in the same boat it’s like they’re applying for a job if their golden boy trump gets back in the oval office

The next step is it all schools will be required to buy and teach from the Trump version of the Bible

@caytjones2726

17 күн бұрын

😢 that would be the ultimate Trump grift.

@maegardnermills4292

16 күн бұрын

Follow the money

@elizabetholiviaclark

14 күн бұрын

Please don't give them any ideas. There are too many as it is who seem to think that man sits on the right hand of God, enjoys God's special favor, and who was "the best president the United States ever had." I'm sure quite a few of them would approve of a Trump Edition. They already think his presence in the political arena is divinely inspired.

@marshalinn5577

14 күн бұрын

@@elizabetholiviaclark so true, so sad

@elizabetholiviaclark

14 күн бұрын

@@marshalinn5577 That it is. Really though, when one stops to think how many people are still drawn to him despite the preponderance of evidence that he has no business anywhere near the Oval, it's more than sad. It's terrifying. The recent SCOTUS decision on presidential immunity should be sending a chill through the spine of every voter.

When I was a child I went to church with my paternal grandmother and my maternal aunt. Both were Pentecostal holiness, but their churches were very different. When I was 13 I decided to go to a baptist church where some of my friends went around the block from where I lived. My grandmother hit the roof and told me I would burn in the fires of hell if I went to the Baptist church. I live in the southern US. I don’t think my grandmother would be happy with any bible teaching unless it was here version and I will say my grandmother had a very warped sense of religion. She would pray with such zeal for the death and destruction of people that she did not agree with or was angry with. She and the deacons in the Baptist church I went to are the major reason I don’t attend church. I believe in God and Jesus and I pray to them, but I don’t do it in a church. If you ram craziness down a person’s throat enough, they want nothing to do with it.

@sharonbobbe2717

19 күн бұрын

AMEN!

@gula9993

19 күн бұрын

Empathy and respect that you had eyes to see ugly and step away

@liliswenson6144

18 күн бұрын

There are some great churches out there that would not put you in that dilemma. I am lucky enough to have found one. Do not give up.

@e-spy

18 күн бұрын

yep, you are right. death and destruction is not what God had in mind, IMHO. Love, forgiveness (sometimes difficult!) on the other hand? That's worth seeking. I also gave up on the church because of similar things and many tries, but I NEVER gave up on God. And he never gave up on me. This site, this rev? I can handle, and it is now my church. My faith? Strong as ever. Maybe even more, now I am on my own.

@AtlanticMediaManagement

18 күн бұрын

Have you condidered that there is a good chance that there is not a magic space man and your time would be better used studing and admiring the proveable parts of life. Forcing yourself to beleive in things that are not real dosn't sound like something that could ever turn out good... millions of people killed for religon seems like one effect.

Isn't it funny how the people who scream the loudest about "government overreach" are willing to let something like this happen, just because it currently aligns with their desire to dominate others? These things always backfire and, when they do, the people who cheered them on are then the most vocal critics.

@HelenCamile63

15 күн бұрын

The blatant hypocrisy is mind blowing.

Love that “Hold my beer” was tossed in early. High school I graduated from in Tennessee many years ago had trained teachers for math, English, science, etc. but history and sex ed were taught by coaches - those classes were hilariously bad. Heads could explode.

I saw something the other day asking why the 10 commandants aren't posted in every church.

@donaldwert7137

19 күн бұрын

I'd ask why the 10 Commandments aren't OBEYED in every church.

@humblemonkm61

19 күн бұрын

​@@donaldwert7137 (in my best sarcastic tone) Well now you're just being nitpicky! 😂🤣🤣❤️

@donaldwert7137

19 күн бұрын

@@humblemonkm61 LOL! I've got a Masters degree in nitpickediness. One might say I've been nitpickled.

@humblemonkm61

19 күн бұрын

@@donaldwert7137 Dr. Nitpick I presume?😁🤣🤣😂😄❤️

@russellmiles2861

19 күн бұрын

Of FFFS ​@@donaldwert7137there is no list of 10 Commandments anywhere in the Bible.

"I have a splinter in my eye -- and I need YOU to help me remove it."

How long before some teacher who practices another faith who says I have to teach from the Bible, well I will also teach from my own book

@cathykrueger4899

18 күн бұрын

How long before the ACLU gets involved?

@c.b.-

15 күн бұрын

I'm waiting for a Mormon teacher to make the news because of this exact reasoning.

@berthaadamson1225

14 күн бұрын

@@c.b.- Exactly! Just wait until a kid comes home and says “Hey Mom, Dad, did you know Jesus wrote a book after the Bible! “

As if teachers don't have on their plate as it is! Politicians need to stay in their lane!! Stay out of religious and medical decisions and take care of the people that voted you in to make their lives better not worse.

@sundayoliver3147

18 күн бұрын

Wish I could rec this more than once.

Excellent and valid points as always.

The fundamentalists are the dog who caught another car. Happy chewing! 😄

@Kinemechanica

15 күн бұрын

Yeah, those fundamentalists are going to get their teeth caught in the toesack of reason attached to the wheel of law...

Way back in my youth, I had parents. Normal folks. No way would they ever permit another taking charge of, or being involved with, my religious exposure. Calm and quiet people.

Truth speaks so well through comedy, as do you Rev. Ed.

Separation of church and state is a fundamental Baptist distinctive. Many Baptists would go to court if ordered to teach the Bible from a Baptist point of view, too.

@williamshafer1996

13 күн бұрын

Oh, those pesky christians! Up to those shenanigans!

Loved this! Back in the 70s we had a Bible club, but it was after school was out, where we disused the Bible it wasn't mandatory it was out of you wanting to know more. When you force it you will have less believers

@cathykrueger4899

17 күн бұрын

Not if you start indoctrinating the very young children. You have to carefully close their minds and tell them they are not supposed to doubt. It switched off critical thinking.

@williamshafer1996

13 күн бұрын

I know right, just ask the muslims and confusianist. A couple billion cant be wrong! You are in the freest country in the world. Nobody is forcing you into anything!

Love you Ed…..you reveal the light!

@williamshafer1996

13 күн бұрын

You better be careful who you listen to. Evil can't cast out evil... if only i knew who said that...

@MrRichDavid

13 күн бұрын

@@williamshafer1996 You get rid of evil by turning on the LIGHT.

One last thought... I started school before praying was banned. They could make me bow my head & close my eyes but they couldn't make me pray!!! 😮

@melt4769

17 күн бұрын

A priest told a Jewish friend of mine who was serving as best man at a wedding to just silently mouth the word “watermelon” repeatedly while the congregation recited the profession of faith. Visually, couldn’t tell the difference.

@ruarifinn

16 күн бұрын

I was brought up to believe that it isn’t required to pray out loud for God to hear your prayers. I never understood the big deal about praying in school because if what I was taught is true you can pray anytime or anywhere.

@williamshafer1996

13 күн бұрын

You rebel. You told God!

@Andrew-it7fb

10 күн бұрын

They can punish you, but they can't make you.

@Andrew-it7fb

10 күн бұрын

​@williamshafer1996 which god? Man has invented thousands.

Thank you ❤, Amen 🙏

Thank you rev ed! I was in public school in illinois in the 1960s and our english teacher taught a story that Bible based. She called on me and i didnt know the answer. She made a big deal of the fact that i clearly didnt pay attention in sunday school. Of all the things i rememer about her class, that stands out

@sundayoliver3147

18 күн бұрын

It's true that the Bible is part of our cultural literature/mythology, but that teacher was SO out of line. Sorry you had to go through that pissy show of piousness. I mean, did she make a big deal of the fact that some of you didn't know the Norse myths, which define the days of the week?

Let's teach The NOBLE TRUTHS of Buddhism 💙

@psydd5209

19 күн бұрын

Life is suffering.

@tenebrousoul9368

19 күн бұрын

Jesus was a liberal, leftist Buddhist.

@psydd5209

19 күн бұрын

@@tenebrousoul9368 Rebel Jesus - Jackson Browne

@tenebrousoul9368

19 күн бұрын

@@psydd5209 I like his voice. NGL

@humblemonkm61

19 күн бұрын

These folks believe Buddhism (& anything that isn't their Christian Nationalist version of religion) is Satanic, so that won't be acceptable to them. There will probably be a whole dogmatic curriculum they will create that teaches Jesus himself was Christopher Columbus's co-pilot on the Santa Maria & raised the Stars & Stripes flag on the beach of the New World claiming it for God. The Reverend is correct this is gonna get messy & SCOTUS in its current form will support this obscenity.

Amen thank you rev 😊

As a Pastor I've prayed for "end life" patients that have actually told me as Baptists, "not to allow them transfered to Methodist hospital" or vice versa. Regardless of having NKJV in hand, some at deaths door requested not to be at Catholic hospital or vice versa. This is gonna be nuts.

@sundayoliver3147

18 күн бұрын

I have to say, it kind of blows my mind what narrow boxes people hold the divine in.

Page 600, paragraph 3, fourth sentence, third word, and I quote ,"the.". That's how I'd do it.

This was BRILLIANT!!!!Thank you Reverend ❤

I want to see the chemistry teacher talking about acid base chemistry referencing the mythology of Bronze Age goat herders or even Roman Empire provincials. How are they going to illuminate the Lowry Bronstead definition?

@psydd5209

19 күн бұрын

Those snake handlers will be great for science class.

@libbycollins9349

19 күн бұрын

Phosphorus.

I agree 💯. There are so many denominations in America. On one street there are 20 church buildings, one denomation split and the second church opened less than a mile from the church they split. And they expect to go into schools? It's insanity I can't believe they are working so hard to cause this. God be with us🙏🕊️💝🌈

@berneyvonk1

19 күн бұрын

There are a lot of denominations in just Christianity. There are over 5000 religions in the world and there is no proof that a God or God’s exist. It amazes me that people believe some writings of fiction written 2000 years ago

@williamshafer1996

13 күн бұрын

​@@berneyvonk1i know... burns you up inside, right. Oh well. Enjoy your life.

I really am a frog in a pot of water.

@rebeccakimble5512

19 күн бұрын

Pass the pot

Amen...🙏 thank you ❤

QUAKERS BELIEVE IN NO WAR yey!!!! 🎉🎉🎉

@JoLeeR25

19 күн бұрын

except Nixon

@Halloween111

19 күн бұрын

They also, apparently, have been known to "Keep it in the family." So to speak.

@ruarifinn

17 күн бұрын

Do they believe in no war or do they believe in no fighting? Sincerely asking because I don’t know.

Thanks for your thoughts. I live in Oklahoma. Ryan Walters is beholden to those who want to destroy the public school system, among other things. It's been building down for years. Part of the plan is stuff like this and "Parental Choice" : Every parent should be given money to home school or send their children to a private school. Currently one has to apply for The Parental Choice Tax Credit program which has reached the $150 million limit for 2024. There may also the religious charter school route that will be run up to the SCOTUS. Eventually there will be less to no money left for true public schools. It is mind boggling what goes on & how many people vote, if they vote at all, against their own best interests. Ryan Walters won the State Superintendent's office by 57%. He took his win as a mandate. In 2022, Walters ran on a platform of fighting "woke ideology," banning books from school libraries, getting rid of "radical leftists", “liberal indoctrination,” critical race theory, critical thinking, transgender identities and diversity, equity & inclusion in general. He's only doing what the people want him to get done. He will probably be the next governor. Twice as many registered Repubs as Dems here & with straight party voting ballots you only have to make one check. This is a land of "Ignorance is bliss" & the people want to keep it that way... easier to force feed all the lies & misinformation, to follow, to be ruled. I used to say God help us. Now I don't know where any God is in all of this especially the state's Christian Nationalist one. Now, I pray to find a way, a place that is not here. I don't feel that I'm isolated, or alone. There just are not enough of us left to make a difference. Did not mean to launch into these many words. I wrote them; they're staying. I hate typing & writing. thanks for reading to this point.

@sharonbobbe2717

19 күн бұрын

👋👋👋👋 Bravo! That must have felt good for a minute. I feel like I'm living in the TWILIGHT ZONE. I hope a way is opened for you to find a place away from where I would certainly feel like I was constantly "walking on eggshells." I fear history repeating itself; what is to come? The Salem Witch Trials 🙏 Blessings, Prayers, & Strength

My understanding is that we are to spread the good word, not force feed it to the masses. Being a Christian is meant to be a choice not a mandate.

@williamshafer1996

13 күн бұрын

I missed that part of the bible. Must make it convenient to be a "priest "...

@jamesross1003

13 күн бұрын

@@williamshafer1996 Maybe you need to actually read it. It is evident that you have not done so.

@jamesross1003

13 күн бұрын

@@williamshafer1996 Deuteronomy 30:15-20, makes it very clear that you can in fact choose not to follow the ten commandments but the consequences are also clearly laid out for not doing so. So yes, you have a very free choice to make. Just like any choice that you have to make, there are always repercussions. Good or bad, they are there.

Rev Ed Trevors, as an atheist living in Oklahoma, with a child in public schools,…I have to say THANK YOU for being a voice of reason! I absolutely understand and support what you’ve said here. THANK YOU!!

Also, we most definitely did read parts of the kjv in my high school British literature classs. This did, in fact, include a discussion of some of the politics around the KJVs creation, and of the fact that there are translations which are far more accurate based on primary source documents which had not been found at the time of its publication. Oooooo, and yeah. Definitely teach about the Jubilee Year!

@psydd5209

19 күн бұрын

The Dream of the Rood~ John's Comma~

Love this❤🤗

Walter’s is a huge embarrassment to Oklahoma. Has been since his first week in office. We are in the bottom 5% in education in the US and this sideshow clown has done ZERO to change that.

@davidpowellseattle

13 күн бұрын

He enables those who want the PUBLIC schools to fail. They wanted public money to support their private, charter, academy, religious, white, nationalist, bigot factory.

@nicholashylton6857

7 күн бұрын

I think that's the secret to his success. With a good education, you start questioning things and thinking critically, and I doubt he wants difficult arguments to justify.

I guess the teachers will fit in the Bible teaching between the academic requirements and the shooter drills. As a woman of faith, I don’t want a teacher to spend time on the Bible because that needs to be taught in the home and at your selected House of Worship according to your beliefs. Separation of Church and State is one of the foundations of our democracy.

If Jacob had twelve sons. And one day the eleven sold one brother into slavery. How many brothers would kneel at that slave's feet?

@user-jd1kc9xw1x

19 күн бұрын

Technically, that’s not simple arithmetic… Given it’s use as a parable, and the moral/ethical/capitalist/spiritual/cause/effect/motive/consequence elements involved, it crosses into the realm of fuzzy logic, a cutting edge component of artificial intelligence… Simultaneously, this brings into play another parable of sorts, from an entirely different culture/belief system… Ever read about Pandoras Box?

@psydd5209

19 күн бұрын

@@user-jd1kc9xw1x So much to learn from the Bible.

@miragegrey4177

19 күн бұрын

IIRC, not all of Joseph's brothers sold him. Benjamin for sure didn't.

@russellmiles2861

19 күн бұрын

Miss Miss, how come there are 13 Tribes of Israel listed in the Bible when you said there are 12

@psydd5209

19 күн бұрын

@@russellmiles2861 Don't the tribes of Israel come from Abraham? And Abraham had Ishmael with the servant ya? That's the odd one out.

If I were to teach history and literature from the Bible, I guarantee the people who cooked up this idea would NOT like it. I am a SERIOUS student of theology, and that means understanding how that "historical document" came about, what the contextual factors at play in each era are, where the contradictions are and what literary purpose those contradictions may have... Yeah. If it gets through, it will be time to pull in Bart Ehrmann and a crapton of religious educators to teach all the things that Evangelicals don't want to admit about why their view of scripture is seriously lacking.

@psydd5209

19 күн бұрын

Psalms will be great for music class.

@cathykrueger4899

18 күн бұрын

@@psydd5209We sang songs that were psalms in my high school chorus. We also sang songs of African origin, European origin, songs from many countries. Singing a piece of music that has stood the test of time and is a creative work of art will always be with us.

@sundayoliver3147

18 күн бұрын

@@psydd5209 Not all of them. Some of the psalms are pretty gross.

@mk1st

16 күн бұрын

This makes me think of Emo Phillip’s Golden Gate Bridge sketch.

@psydd5209

16 күн бұрын

@@mk1st That's exactly what I was channeling !

Just watched Beau's video on this... *EDIT* Ah, different topic - related though.

You are completely right, thanks Rev Ed

Wow! Reverand Ed! You said it all! If only our congress would consult with smart and spiritually mature guys like you. Thank you for sharing this news and pointing us in the right direction!

Wonderful! Can you imagine liberation theology and the option for the poor being taught to those being brought up with the prosperity gospel?

A clear violation of an individual, this being the teacher's, first amendment right to be free from religion and not to be compelled by a government to speak about a religion.

@c.b.-

15 күн бұрын

The teacher's might be compelled to talk about it, but there is nothing in the laws saying they have to be any good at doing so. I'm wondering what the malicious compliance is going to look like.

I trust you Jesus carry me as I struggle to provide for my children. As a single mother things can be challenging. Both of my sons are special needs I’m so blessed to have them they are my life. God please hear my prayers protect me and my children from homelessness. Give me Strength as I struggle to pay the bills and as I struggle to buy groceries. Bless me to be a better mother everyday.❤️💕

Nothing is more contrary to reason and common sense than Christianity

@williamshafer1996

13 күн бұрын

I know right! Burns you up inside. Doesn't it. You might wanta check into that...

Spot on !

If they're bound and determined to jam the Bible into the classroom, teach it as part of a literature course. I took such a course when I was in high school. It was a six-week elective "mini-course" through the English department. I enjoyed it, and thought it was a good way for a non-Christian like me to begin to learn about the book. But I agree with you, Rev - what they're trying to do is going to be a disaster, one way or another. Thanks for another excellent perspective.

First, thank you for posting this message. Definitely important to have this conversation. My concern is that this may start the prosecution of true believers, while the lukewarm fanatics will denounce the Faith to save their own lives... All-in-all, the LORD is in control. To anyone who may comes across this little rant of mine; stay blessed.

Great point!!! I love listening to you with my coffee in the morning - (Kelowna BC) - Imagine teaching love thy enemies in the USA. Could you imagine if we all where taught to be his Light👍👍👍🙏🙏🙏🙏❤️

@defenestratefalsehoods

3 күн бұрын

it's all good until your kid come home and tell you that the family is in the wrong denomination and want to be a JW, Mormon, or Seventh-day Adventist.

Let’s see the use of the Bible in discussing the Mexican American War. They could refer to the Ten Commandments referring to Thou shalt not steal like the USA mugged their neighbor

@tomlaurent8520

17 күн бұрын

Or the theft from the Native Americans!

Is it too far to suggest that there are as many theological lenses as there are believers in Christianity, since EACH of us understands the massiveness of Scripture through our own personal mindsets? Your mention of a hell of their own making is spot on here. God bless their little hearts...

@sundayoliver3147

18 күн бұрын

"Little" being the operative word...

The Reverend makes great points . I totally agree with him.

You, Rev. Trevors are appreciated.

According to NPR, the person who put this into action has (somewhat) clarified how the law should be put into effect. It's supposed to be used in literature and history classes only and from grades 5-12, with the purpose of showing how Christianity has influenced great literature, and American history and culture. My first question was the same as yours, from which Bible will they teach? How about teaching from the Jefferson Bible. Old Thomas Jefferson was noted for ripping up his Bible and removing passages he didn't like.

I am already talking to my Science teacher sister about malicious compliance.

Your a good preacher man 💪👍👍👍👍👍

Thank you!!! Love the show 👏👏👏

Shouldn't the Torah also be held up as an important historical document?

@ad-dx9gi

19 күн бұрын

Agree The thing is to the Torah was the first document way before the Gospels..

@contrafax

19 күн бұрын

@@ad-dx9gi oh I know.

@chaosmarklar

13 күн бұрын

The laws of Moses are what many "Christians" want to enforce on the country

Oklahoma, my kids live in Oklahoma, very concerned about this. I am so very glad my grandson will be graduating from high school next year. I'm sad it has gotten this far.

I love this! You said everything succintly that I've been trying to say for a long time now.

Rev Ed - as so often, thank you for your expressive thoughts. I am profoundly an atheist but feel great kinship with your spirit, which seems to me truly Christian (as I feel about Jimmy Carter)y. I appreciate the impulses of faith and spirituality when they are positive and supportive to an individual and to humanity. IMNSHO, Education must be utterly secular and based on reason, established knowledge, history, science, literature & do its best to equip each person to explore and discover their relationships to reality and the universe. And perhaps more importantly, equip & encourage everyone’s BS detector to see through the lies & fallacies peddled by advertisers, politicians & from pulpits…. all the best from a Maritimer now far away.

i love all your what-ifs - exactly. the thing about the bible is that it's all, ALL, in there, all ways all things can be handled (imo you need God to clarify what's what to your heart). so which is it: if you're not for us you're against us, or if you're not against us you're for us? and then there's the risk of mirroring the behavior of other religions which might be modeling education-based-on-their-scripture to justify blowing up the "infidel." smh. bless you reverend ed.

My favorite parts of the Bible are the book of numbers, chapter 5, versus 11 - 31! That's where God gives a priest instructions on how to perform an abortion! Then there's the part on Sodom and Gomorrah being destroyed because of their ill-treatment of the poor, not for being gay!!

@tspencer661

13 күн бұрын

Remember, Lot wanted to pass his daughters over to the crowd. Later on, Lot’s daughters got him drunk and had nonconsensual relations with him and bore his children. There’s also the story of a bear mauling children because they laughed at a bald man. (2 Kings 2:23-25). There’s the story of a man who gave one of his concubines to the men of the city. She was gang r@ped. She died. Her body was divided into pieces and passed out to the tribes of Israel.(Judges 19-21) It bothers me that too many people have not read the entire Bible, yet they want it taught in schools. I have not read the entire Bible. I found out this year about the Bible story of the concubine.

Ed, as usual a very interesting perspective. I could very easily see a scenario as you describe. And I would enjoy watching those court case while eating popcorn.

@sundayoliver3147

18 күн бұрын

It's just such a pity that our already overloaded court system needs to go through this...but if you can enjoy it, there's some benefit, anyway!

Thank you, Rev. Trevors, for your sound reasoning.

Dear Sir, Reverend or Priest or our. Friend and mentor What makes you so refreshing is you've found latitude in your faith A Perspective that's allowed for a larger venue towards God's All Encompassing Love of Inclusion Instead of your beliefs or the Highway like so many believers Let alone Preachers

Rev Ed thanks for sharing this , Church and State separated is what America has done since the founding..This is a kaos and a big problem is Teachers are going to interpret the Bible the way they see it.. Also theres different versions of the Bible, for Example Catholics can't use the King James version..Its also Public school there is diversity theres Jewish with the Torah , Budda and agnostic etc.. Thanks for this important Rant..God Bless 🕊️

Thank you for your generous blessing. May it be also with your spirit, Rev.

Well thought out and spoken! So true!

"The kids have to go to school." Oh don't (do) worry: the Republicans are working on that too.

@karenm7857

18 күн бұрын

At least the OK Supreme Court stopped the Private Charter School deal. You cannot use public funds for private schools.

@generalsb6332

18 күн бұрын

@@karenm7857 I wish they did that here in Wisconsin. To add insult to injury, the per pupil funding stays with the school even if the student gets kicked out. The student only has to remain in the religious school through the third Friday of the new school year. Usually it’s behavior related and the kids end up coming back to the local public school district with NONE of the prorated money the religious school originally received. Thus putting financial burden on the public school and the religious school gets to pocket the money.

Pity the poor gym teachers having to teach from the Bible... "Well, we were gonna do football Fridays, but looks like it's gonna be javelins & wrestling with angels again..."

@psydd5209

19 күн бұрын

The Samson Challenge?

@JClark-ux1hz

19 күн бұрын

❤😂

@maegardnermills4292

16 күн бұрын

Will they have Salome Dancers as Cheerleaders? A real Jezabel new girl.

@maegardnermills4292

16 күн бұрын

Mystery Meat Monday's with unleavened bread.

@maegardnermills4292

16 күн бұрын

Jesus Loves Me This.... To be his Disciples you must hate your CHILDREN, WIVES, AND YOURSELVES! CHILDREN WILL LEARN AND NOT CARE FOR AUTHORITY.

I just found your channel. You are awesome. I totally enjoyed your logical and factual information and thoughts. Simple examples for lay people like me. Thank you Father!

"Hold my beer" . Excellent, thanks for that, Rev Ed.

I'd love to see the cultural fallout of this. Not the bloodshed and religious war, but I mean like if they really called for Every Saturday being a day where you could do nothing, not even prepare food, or do anything. Forgive debts, etc. There are TONS of obscure laws in the bible, which our society wouldn't be able to adapt to because we have religious freedom and most Christians don't read the entirety of the bible.

@sundayoliver3147

18 күн бұрын

Yeah, the prohibition of blended fabrics alone would create an enormous economic problem, from individual people to huge corporations.

@Judith-wq2jp

11 күн бұрын

@chriswandell3570 Actually, that used to be a "thing," known as Blue Laws, and they applied to Sunday. I vaguely remember this as a child when EVERYTHING was shut down on the "Lord's day".

@chriswandell3570

10 күн бұрын

@@Judith-wq2jp true, even if it really should have been Saturday.

Crazy how they want the bible taught in school. How they say to follow Jesus's teaching. All the time they follow Trump who has broken every teaching of Jesus himself.

@sarahtelles1931

13 күн бұрын

Oh yes the bible that says the only people allowed to own slaves are the Hebrews, which is far biblically described as dark skinned, really dark skinned as in black.

@michaelkurchak5427

7 күн бұрын

That’s who they think Jesus is ,there orange savior

I agree with your video. I was born and raised in Oklahoma, and Oklahoma is in the Bible Belt. I think the Bible Belt breeds fear in people. I think there are good people there. I think with fear and lack understanding about how church and state don’t mix. We get bad judgment.There is a need for separation of church and state.

This is a sermon i am happy to hear. Peace!

Thanks for your insight. I agree

This reminds me of the abolishing of Roe v Wade, they did not take into account pregnancy complications. Such as partial miscarriages, ectopic pregnancies, children who are victims of rape or incest, women bleeding out, women becoming septic, so now there are woman and girls dying from lack of care, women being turn away from a hospital because they don't want to be in legal jeopardy if they treat a woman and the treatment needed to save her is a therapeutic abortion. This mix of religion and government is so very wrong and unconstitutional, expecting teachers who may or may not be Christians, who may or may not even know what the Bible says because they are of a different religion, or no religion at all. What are they going to do include the Bible in the curriculum to tell teachers what Bible to use, what "historical" lessons they can teach. If Jesus showed up today, he would be considered a radical liberal and dismissed by the GOP. What is going on, this is all so insane. Thanks for your view point as a Christian priest Rev Ed, please pray for America, we are in trouble.

@sarahtelles1931

13 күн бұрын

Also Jesus didn't say anything about Abortion and God supported forced abortion as long as the man could use the excuse that the fetus isn't his he doesn't have to have proof he just has to have a tiny paranoid thought about it

Once upon a historical fact they used the Bible to justify commiting all kinds of Atrocities like Slavery ,I support separation of Kool aid and state .lol

Thank you Rev Ed agree with you