Do you have any thoughts on the origins of Odin?

@MrRabiddogg

3 ай бұрын

I am by no means an expert, but in my understanding of Odin and of Lugh, they both seem to have a number of similarities. The Shamanistic view points mostly. Ditto Freya and the Morrigan. I wouldn't mind seeing a video comparing the Gallic and Germanic deities.

@S.J.L

3 ай бұрын

I think of him as having some parallels with Saturn and Mercury. I've also heard some connect him to Dionysius, in regards to frenzy and mead...Shiva? He is cthonic so some equivalence with Saturn makes sense as Saturn fathers Jupiter. Dis Pater and Taranis... I have a sense of Odin anyway but less so with the Dagda.

@Davidsavage8008

3 ай бұрын

Just another fallen angel drunk with war. 💀 1/3 fell from grace divided into nations. 🎷

@thli8472

3 ай бұрын

Magnus Olsen suggested Valhall is based on Colosseum. I'm thinking Odin could be based on an emperor.

@hell-hollowfarmer41

3 ай бұрын

To understand Odin is to understand Shiva back to the beginning, and then to fast forward across the plains and steppe as the proto-Indo Europeans traveled with their chariots and cartwheels creaking, campfires sending sparks up into the great unknown vastness of the cosmos. And to understand Shiva, the divine, is to know that different lands have different energies, and that only the wilds of Odin could give a culture the bite to make it through a Nordic winter where Frost Giants doubtlessly roamed in the shadows past the campfire light. Both the meditative aspects of Shiva, his communion with the animals and spirits, and his fierceness, as the destroyer were required... and perhaps his affinity for intoxicants. Does not sacrificing himself to himself on the World Tree to gain knowledge of the Runes sound like something Shiva would do? And as for the name, Odin, the All-father, it is my belief that is connected to Vedic teachings that Aumm is the sound of creation, take that to Amen for the Christians, Ameen, for the Muslims, and Oh-dan as the phonetic would have it, as I yell loudly for my neighbors across the Hollow who like such things… I do not believe that the linguistic similarity can be mere coincidence, Oh-dan, Wotan, Amen; but I do believe as you have previously asserted that the union of the Assir and Vanir represented the Indo European Gods entering into union with the preexisting Gods of Scandinavia, and that the forms of the Divine required by people changes over time with their cultural and environmental needs. Thank you so much for running one of my favorite shows on KZread! PS, the ram lamb is currently roasting with rosemary, thyme, and salt, at a nice low temperature plenty of time for a cup of tea and more Crecganford!

_“I told you I would tell you my names. This is what they call me. I'm called Glad-of-War, Grim, Raider, and Third. I am One-Eyed. I am called Highest, and True-Guesser. I am Grimnir, and I am the Hooded One. I am All-Father, and I am Gondlir Wand-Bearer. I have as many names as there are winds, as many titles as there are ways to die. My ravens are Huginn and Muninn, Thought and Memory; my wolves are Freki and Geri; my horse is the gallows.”_

@spiritualanarchy5465

3 ай бұрын

Like a Goddess of 10,000 names so also are the Gd's

@inarii_Othy

3 ай бұрын

I AM ODIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNN

@Davidsavage8008

3 ай бұрын

Just one of the many that fell from grace and removed from heaven just one of the 1/3. Loved by the creator enough to dwell in man's blood till they love.🎉

@Dice_roller

3 ай бұрын

@@Davidsavage8008 Nonsense.

@brianchauncey1547

3 ай бұрын

My favorite scene from American Gods!!!! Truly Epic! Hail Odin, Alfadhirhaiti!

Absolutely splendid explanations, thank you! I would also love to find out more about Yngvi, if you please!

"I have as many names as there are ways to die" Do you believe in the Gods?........ The Gods are real my friend. All you need to do is simply seek them out. Odin will reveal himself to you..... as he did for me.

"Who Odin REALLY was...". Love it.

Wōdanaz in protogermanic comes from Wōdaz which means at least 3 things: excited, frenzied/obsessed, or angry. That's where we got these words from: English "wode", Dutch "woede" , German "Wut" , Icelandic "óður" which all mean something related to angriness or madness, and Gothic "𐍅𐍉𐌳𐍃" wods, which means "possessed by the devil".

"Wodan" could be related to the Proto-Slavic verb *vodìti, which means "to lead, to conduct" (cf. Polish "wodzić", Russian "водить"). A bunch of paronymous words mean "chieftain, leader" in Slavic languages, e.g. Polish "wòdz", Russian "вождь."

Very interesting informations, but there are many books explaining Odin, Hænir and Lóður. I'm an Icelander and I have studied the etymology of the words here too, and have read about this, I think this is the best explaining of Völuspá, :"Önd gaf Óðinn", (life or breath of life. Önd means breath, or breath of life), "Óð gaf Hænir" (knowledge or wisdom. Óður means poetry, yes, but poetry can also be linked to wisdom), "Lá gaf Lóðurr ok litu góða", (lá means sea or blood or godly race in this context), "litu góða or litu goða", (litu is color of the skin or good looks, beauty). Odin, god of life, Hænir god of wisdom and Lóður god of classes like Rígur, Heimdallur. This reminds us of Vedas of India and social structure.

In Norwegian the wild hunt is called 'the Asgard raiders' Åsgårdsreien

@HouseMediaLLC

3 ай бұрын

Look up Azagarium, Odisi, Odisha and Asurgarh

Terrific episode, well done! I think of Rome from time to time, haha.

Can't wait to hear about how the Old Grey Wanderer came about. I really love listening to your episodes about the old Norse gods in particular as I grew up in Denmark with a lot of their stories and your videos both take me back to my childhood fascination and they never fail to teach me new things about the old traditions of my ancestors ❤ thank you

@gallopingLake6

3 ай бұрын

Zeus was also attributed to be a stranger visiting homes looking for hospitality in Greek mythology.

@ansibarius4633

3 ай бұрын

@@gallopingLake6 I think that's only in the tale of Philemon and Baucis, though? The rest of his visits were more exclusively to women, and with a very specific goal in mind... Hermes appears more often among humans, if I recall correctly, being the herald of the gods. Hermes/Mercury also seems to be active in similar spheres as Wodan in his capacity as trickster, god of merchants, thieves and other "adventurers", and psychopomp, and by virtue of his association with esoteric wisdom and magic (as Hermes Trismegistos). The attributes are also somewhat similar (hat and staff/spear). This was apparently enough for the Romans to see Mercury and Wodan as (roughly) equivalent.

@stubbzzz

3 ай бұрын

My guess, is that part comes from interacting with the Finns or other similar tribes in the area who had an old grey wandering wizard as one of their most popular gods, named Väinämöinen.

@DullyDust

3 ай бұрын

@@stubbzzz I can definitely believe that they are related!

I loved this video, and I was wondering if you would do a video on the relationship between Odin and Loki. They seem to be closely related (blood brothers?), but I can't quite parse either their relationship in myth or in their historical development.

Thank you

I loved this! Glad to have you back Jon. I hope your trip was fun.

Spectacular dissection & presentation, Crecganford. This is the video I knew you would eventually deliver to this community when I subscribed over a year ago. Thank you, Sir.

32:30 Regarding Odin and the runes the oldest runes found in Norway resemble the Latin alphabet less, not more, than the later iterations of the futhark. The runic script was likely somewhat Latinized, but may well not have been of Roman or Greek origin.

Excellent presentation! Well researched and organized. Thank You so much for the effort to produce this video. Skal

I cannot thank you enough for bringing to our attention the book by Anatoly Liberman. I've just received my copy today and shall be glued to it after I finish work this afternoon.

@Crecganford

2 ай бұрын

It is an amazing book, and so easy to read.

This is super crazy interesting

Hi I just wanted to share that in Kerala, India there used to be a community named odiyan. They were skilled in shape changing into different beasts and birds. Usually they use it as a camouflage to do it by contract to scare someone or the so. I don't know exact details and my knowledge is limited so if you find it interesting maybe you can look into cross cultural similarities of words used in different cultures. Just a suggestion. I love listening to you ❤ take care

@shadowbanned1999

3 ай бұрын

That was a WILD wikipedia article. From shapeshifting to fearmongering to murdering all the way to drinking the remains of unalive fetuses. They kinda sound just like the modern global elites lmfao.

@jennacoryell4160

3 ай бұрын

That is an interesting claim. Odin is well known in many of the stories to be a shape shifter. Particularly into various animals, a snake to gain access through a small opening, a bird to escape danger. And often disguised when in human form.

@zaco-km3su

3 ай бұрын

That's a good suggestion!

@michaelpettersson4919

3 ай бұрын

For someone that are sceptical about actual shapechanging I can definitely envision a culture that wear animalistic outfits during cermonies. A mask with a beak, wings attatached to the arms and feathers could allow someone to represent a bird and so forth.

@varjovirta3085

2 ай бұрын

@@michaelpettersson4919 in imagination even pigs could fly

Fascinating work as always. Thank you!

Great video! I’ve been fascinated with this topic ever since you first started this channel. I learn more every time.

What a treat! This is the kind of videos I enjoy the most! Absolutely love it!

If you doubt these claims, look up the painting called The Wild Hunt. Hitler modeled himself after the central character of this painting. That character is Wotan, and the similarities between his portrayal in this painting and the adult Hitler are spooky.

Shun not the mead, | but drink in measure; Speak to the point or be still; For rudeness none | shall rightly blame thee If soon thy bed thou seekest. 🍵🍵🍵🍵 A cup of tea I drink with thee, and rightly so. Amidst the flames all sit with tales, and to you dear friend a toast. Cheers🫖🍻

I absolutely love this. I was also thinking about similarities with Dionysus, the erratic movements and wanderings, and the motif of dying and rebirth.

@crfox

3 ай бұрын

Could definitely be! The erratic movements have a connotation of playfulness which brings to mind both Dionysus and Shiva.

I'm playing Valheim when this was posted, great timing!

I am a Norse pagan lord Odin is my god and lord Thor is also my god I pray to my gods everyday for their knowledge and wisdom and strength to help me be a better man all hail the Norse gods of Valhalla skal peace blessed be from a very proud heathen

John this is so well done, thank you!

@Crecganford

3 ай бұрын

You're very welcome!

I simply loved this keep them coming, love your work

Thank You! Very interesting, I am learning new information from your channel.👍

Thanks!

In mythology, Set took the one eyed willy of Osiris (Sword of Orion), tossed it into the mouth of the Southern Fish, where we find the Grain god, Dagon. Fomalhaut b, spinning around Fomalhaut, is that the eye of Odin. Out of the Mouth of the Southern Fish, rises the Great One, we call Aquarius. If you play "Fomalhaut" in reverse, you hear it echo "Thou Am Wolf", does that count, eating the one eyed willy, play "Say You're Well Taught" in reverse, you hear it echo "Aquarius".

This channel is gold. Thanks, Crecganford!

@Crecganford

3 ай бұрын

Thank you.

Great video. Thanks!

Probably one of your best, most informative videos!

@Crecganford

3 ай бұрын

Thank you so much.

I’ve done a lot of digging on this and I’d like to share some thoughts. 1. Attempting to find cognates going back from proto-Germanic Wodanaz leads to odd hits like Odys in Greek which I’m curious is potentially Odysseus. Another near cognate would be Vayu in Vedic religion . 2. Celtic Dagda is very very similar. 3. Ossetian Apsat or Aefsati is a hunting god that’s one-eyed or blind. I’m sure you’ll mention the similarities with Veles and Rudra as well. I’m also preferential to comparing Odin to Saturn but I understand that’s a bit weak comparison.

11:24 romans are right, "academics" wrong. Tyr is Mars, Odin is the sun(varuna, CALLED merkur, not refering to the planet). Thats the mythological aspect of it, the etymological could well be the opposite but im not sure rn

You rock!

One of your best videos yet. I'm going to have to rewatch this to make sure I didn't miss anything.

@Crecganford

3 ай бұрын

Thank you for your kind words.

Can you tell, are all of his name not with "i" and "M" and "u" as first letter? (Because he is not a Man, not bull and not ice because of his history of how the world was made?

Fantastic in-depth video! But if Wōdanaz was Manu as in reconstructed IE mythology, wouldn't his original name be Mannuz as recorded by Tacitus? This supreme god of the early germanic tribes completely disappeared before the early middle ages.

Could you cover the origins of Darves some time in the future?

@Crecganford

3 ай бұрын

Yes, I did just speak about them on Patreon, but can make a long form video about them, maybe in a couple of months.

Thank you very much Jon for this well researched topic and these wonderful insights!

@Crecganford

3 ай бұрын

And thank you for your kind words.

This is right up my street, nice one Jon.

You probably meant to say that wōðu is a Proto-Germanic noun, as clearly isn't a PIE one.

thank you! this is awesome 🤗

Another excellent video, leaving a lot of room for pondering about all of the connections within different pantheons.

@Crecganford

3 ай бұрын

Thank you.

well described the origin of woden/ odin. in our language sindhi we also use word "wado" for big, older, father, headman and chief .

it's interesting how 2 origin myth near the end reminds me of both greek myth (olympians vs titans) Rome's myth (Romulus and Remus)

Such a thorough explanation on Odin’s story. I loved it 💯💕

@Crecganford

3 ай бұрын

Thank you.

You talk so calm, that it helps me talk calmly to my teenager. Who I have watch your videos, when he has a question I can't answer. You're officially part of homeschooling curriculum. Keep up the good work.

@OriginalPuro

Ай бұрын

Why are you unable to control your emotions and talk calmly to your child, or anyone for that matter? Men control their emotions. "The quality of your life is dependent on the quality of your thoughts." - Marcus Aurelius.

@Dovahkiin0117

18 күн бұрын

@@OriginalPuro wasn’t ole boi Aurelius sippin on opium drank all the time Prolly wouldn’t care about much either if I was doin the same 😂

Thank you so much for sharing your insight with us. I love your videos.

At the end when you were talking about Odin replacing Frey and Tyr as the latter lost limbs or weapons, I wondered about the progression of weapons- Frey’s axe, Tyr’s sword, and Odin’s spear. I probably heard that from somewhere but don’t remember. Is status in that society or through time associated with what type of weapon some one used?

@Crecganford

2 ай бұрын

Yes, weapons did align with status, and how they are used helps us understand the cultural origins of those using them. This is why studying burials with weapons is so valuable as you can tell a lot because of the weapon and positioning.

Great video!

@Crecganford

3 ай бұрын

Thanks!

Hot damn! I’ve been waiting for this one for a long time.

22:47 If the wodu were moving unpredictably, it makes me think of the planets, that don't move as they should (uniformly as the stars do). Changing directions and wandering in circles

odin's relation to Diana (in Vergil's notions of ctonic aspects of Apollo) ?

Hi there! I wanted to let you know that there was a society called Odiyan in Kerala, India. They could transform into a variety of animals and birds with ease. Typically, they will do it under the guise of a contract in order to frighten someone or something. I don't have all the answers and my understanding is limited, but if you're curious, you may try researching the ways in which words from different cultures are similar. It is merely an idea. Your voice is really captivating ♥ be well.

Wow. I applaud your work. Very educational.

You should consider making ASMR, you have the perfect voice for it.

@Crecganford

9 күн бұрын

I have a channel called Crecganford Reads where I just read stories, and I will add to it when time allows.

@someonesilence3731

9 күн бұрын

@@Crecganford Awesome

My good sir, in my opinion, you should start a pod cast. I love your content. It is very informative.

What does LPIE refer to?

I've had doubts for a long time about the "universal primacy" of Odin in the old nordic cult practices. I think monolatry originating out of escalating ancestor worship is a much better generic model for these religious forms than the more stereotypical "pantheonic polytheism" of pop-cultural acclaim and prominence.

Great show

I would like to hear more on Tyr. I know very little on him besides the Fenrir myth. Love your lectures!

@Crecganford, It would be a fun exercise to try and discover some ultraconserved mythemes. If I had the resources and know how I'd ingest myths from around the world into a database then leverage AI to do that discovery. Do you think your database could be integrated with AI to do that?

@Crecganford

3 ай бұрын

I am involved in a project to leverage AI on data, and hope to see some results within a few months.

@HeerHalewijn

3 ай бұрын

​​@@Crecganford, that's exciting! I can't wait to see what is identified and how old.

Apart from the Ravens, is there a link between Lug and Wotan?

Nice channel mate :)

Where I grew up on the Danish island Samsø, there is a hill called Onsbjerg (pronounced Wonsbjerg by the locals), and by it's foot is a village by the same name. This I discovered to have been derived of/ or corresponding with being called Odinsbjerg (meaning Odin's mountain/hill), which I find interesting because the local version of his name sounds more similar to his Anglo-Saxon name (Wo'n), even though it's smack in the middle of Denmark where people used to speak old Norse far as I know. I also read somewhere that Odin is said to have learnt some of his magic abilities on the island, but can't figure out the source of that story. I really wanted to ask if any of the old myths can be connected to locations like that in any agreed upon way? The answer is probably no, because there will be too many local variants of the old stories that make up the Norse culture for example, but I always found it interesting. The island by the way, is well known for having traces of "viking" settlements, and has a big natural harbor where the vikings dug a channel straight through the slimmest part of the island to bring their ships through and use as an escape route so as to not easily be locked in via naval blockades. It is assumed that chieftains from all over the Danish kingdom would meet on Samsø, so maybe it's possible that they agreed the place holds special significance to Odin, but I guess they might just have chosen to believe that, and there's really no way to determine such a thing. Sorry for the long post, but I really value your videos, and would love to hear your thoughts on this. Cheers!

Thank you again. Always a pleasure to learn new things in a mythology I thought I knew quite well. :)

Hail Odin!

On Odin Woden etc, until Historians acknowledge that between 536-550 CE, "Ragnarok" happened, or at least a mass die off of most Humans north of the Alps happened , and thus rethink from 550-700 CE in light of that, the transition from Tyr as the head of the Norse pantheon, like all their preceding IE kin further south, to Odin and the Aesir (and Vanir, depending on geography) as the ruling pantheon(s) will remain muddy and unclear. Going into that massive genetic bottleneck, I think it can be assumed the IEs north of the Alps, and especially north of the Rhine, had a pantheon more closely descended from it's Proto-Germanic roots, but the few who lived thru that time, that far North, clearly changed things up quite a lot, imho. Nothing like mass starvation while all your kin freeze to death to make you question the old Gods, imho😆. You literally asked, dude😊

Snorri Sturrluson was much more familiar with Nordic paganism than we will ever be, even in his christian context of Iceland. I am inclined to say that he knew what he was talking about when he said Odin is alfather.

@Crecganford

3 ай бұрын

But he didn't say that, if he did he incorrectly spelt it 20+ times... which is unlikely, instead it seems likely he meant the word he was actually spelling, cognate of the verb Fadian.

Very interesting and thoughtful

Very interesting topic ……..🌞

How do you find the best sources for these topics?

@Crecganford

2 ай бұрын

You have to read, and read a lot. Start with a great essay or paper on the subject and then follow the references, and read those, and you will soon find yourself with a plethora of information.

Oh man, this was a good one. Excellent work! As an aside Im hoping someday you may do a video about the god Lugh.

@Crecganford

3 ай бұрын

Thank you.

Just made a brew and I thought I'd check the youtube out. This is the first video in my recommendations. You made me say out loud 'oh wow.' Thank you for your wonderful face.

I would argue about the origin of the Shamanistic features of Odin and Norse Mythology. Yes, the Saami were Shamanists, but the Norse Mythology and Odin have more Central-Asian shamanistic features than Fino-Ugric. For example, the trees that support the sky and make relation with the Upper, Middle, and Underworlds like Yggdrasil or the magic horse of Odin, Sleipnir which you can find in the mythologies, epics, and folk tales of the Altaic nomadic people, and not those who live in the thick woods of Northern Europe. If the Saami mythology had inspired the Norse mythology and the image of Odin, then Sleipnir would not be a horse but a reindeer. Have you heard about Troels Brand's theory about the Heruls, who moved back from Central Europe to Scandinavia in the 6th century, and influenced the mythology of the Germanic people living there? He says that the Shamanic features of Norse mythology may have arrived in Scandinavia through them, and these beliefs come from the Huns and/or Avars, whose subjects the Heruls were for many decades and/or Avars.

Fascinating indeed! ❤

I love your work, and this video is as wonderful as always. ❤ I have a personal fascination with the Baltic pantheon, any chance we could get an overview their mythology. I know that a lot of the people who study the Balts today look closely at dainos. You could use that to talk more about the role of songs in the transference of mythology more broadly. Or, if the topic is too niche, would you be able to recommend some reading for me to look in to?

@Crecganford

3 ай бұрын

I will try to talk about the Baltic gods as soon as I can, but it is a complex topic with much conflicting research. However, once I have worked it all out I will.

@lilygrigaitis8355

3 ай бұрын

@@Crecganford now I'm excited! Thank you!

Isn't the Nordic Bronze Age ancestral to the Germanic peoples? Many scholars now think so. I'm pretty sure that Woden was the original name in Scandinavia, until a transition that dropped the "w" from many words. Examples in Swedish: Ord for word, ork for energy, related to work, orm for snake, related to worm, etc. There was a period in Swedish written history when a mark was put over the "o" as a contraction of a replaced "w". When Scandinavian (Germanic?) language and culture moved south and southeast in the European continent, German kept the "w" but the pronunciation shifted to a "v" sound. So, in my opinion, the culture of Woden evolved in Scandinavia, probably in Sweden, and perhaps was based on a composite of ancestors, legendary and mythological figures already present among the pre-Indo-European Scandinavians. Perhaps even some influences from the Sami and Siberian cultures. Any differences between Wodenaz, Woden, Oden, Odin, Odinn are those that came after Woden was "born" in Scandinavia, according to my lay-research opinion. I definitely might be wrong.

This is absolutely fascinating. I appreciate granularity on this topic as it relates to the development of gods through language and regional travel. I find humanity endlessly interesting when it comes to how fluid beliefs are and how we shape our gods to fit our lives.

My thoughts on the all-father matter, as a layman speaking swedish ;) If I read that word, I would pronounce it as "foder", so could it be some conjugation of fœða wich would likely be the word-root ford the enligsh word "food". So could it be either "The one who feeds all" or a play on the fact that he sacrificed himself, and that the sacrifice is usually eaten, so "the one everyone feeds from"?

Sunday night, tankard of hobgoblin , storycrow followed by this . Perfect evening.

As a german, I'm wondering if Allfather may mean Sky-father, given that "All" is one german word for space. (Wild guess, I haven't looked for the etymology of our "All" or "Weltall")

@Crecganford

3 ай бұрын

That’s an interesting way to look at this, thank you for sharing.

There seems to me to be some Indo-European link between Odinn losing his eye and sacrifice. The Vedic god of wealth Bhaga lost both eyes when he gazed upon the first sacrifice. In later versions his eyes are knocked out by Shiva who had not been invited to the sacrifice. The later Hindu god of wealth Kubera also lost an eye when he gazed upon Shiva and Parvati jealously. Odinn may also have some connection to wealth: he raided the underworld and brought back cattle and the Norse word for 'cattle' (fe) also meant 'money'. Cattle are also linked to sacrifices which were a necessity to ensure further wealth would come to early Indo-European people. Incidentally Hermes/Mercury was also a cattle raider and a god of gain and riches. If the Romans heard that Germanic folk worshipped a similar god the identification is not so surprising.

@josephpercy1558

3 ай бұрын

A bit technical, but fe, fehu doesn't mean 'money.' Currency was the barter system for the Old Norse.

@sirseigan

3 ай бұрын

In the vedic texts there is a great poet sage and Guru of the Asuras that was secretly listning in on Shiva to gain divine knowledge and had hidden in a drinking vessel of water. With a straw going in to the drinking vessel shiva accidently poked out _one_ of his eyes. However this guru remains and learns many _divine secrets_. One of these was to communicate and raise the dead and bring them back to life. Sounds familiar? Even other details such as some family members names can be linked, or the connection to the evening star (which can be both Venus and Mercury). This Guru was aparently also a great politician as he thaught prominent figures political science. One interesting detail is that he is said not to be born an Asura but due to some need for vengence against the Devas he became the Asuras Guru and lead them to many _victories_. He was married to the daughter of Indra, the ruler of Svarga. He is known as Asuraguru, Sukracharya (acharya mean "expert teacher"), Asuracharaya and Shukra or Sukra. He also became known under the epitet of Kavya Ushanas where the latter means "passionate".

Superb Jon! Odin is a fascinating figure. Thank you.

@Crecganford

3 ай бұрын

Thank you.

@waynesworldofsci-tech

3 ай бұрын

@@Crecganford The evolution of these belief systems is amazing in its complexity. Our ancestors adapted their beliefs as circumstances changed in ways we don’t understand. We need to understand them to understand how beliefs evolve today. I’ve been fighting misinformation, and I often see people’s beliefs shift slowly like Odin’s attributes must have shifted. You are giving me some possible avenues of investigation into how to bring these folk into reality.

You should get a sponsorship from Twinings. You are the best reason for a cup of tea on the internet.

Only wanted to say that I missed a name of him in your row, in the Netherlands we call Odin Wodan. For some reason people don’t know/realize that the Netherlands borders Germany and sits in a nice nook between the UK and Scandinavia. Thank you for your great videos! I myself am on team Tyr and would love to see more on him and Fenrir because they are just so interesting. Vriendelijke groeten! 😊

@ansibarius4633

3 ай бұрын

Not sure if the form "Wodan" is attested here though. The Utrecht Baptismal Vow has "Woden". "Wodan" is found in the Old High German Merseburg Charms ("Phol ende Wodan vuorun zi holza"). But we do use that form of the name.

Wouldn’t Odin and Prometheus share some of the same characteristics/traits/roles in their respective creation myths?

In Akkadian, din-gir means "deity", "Star" and Sky. Look at the cuneiform form sign for din-gir and the astrological sign for Jupiter. Are they the same

How does Odin, Ullr and Baldr relate?

I think you will find further clues if you take as a starting point the fact that contact between North sea/Baltic culture area and the river landscape to the black sea and the Urals has been continuous, only temporarily interrupted, from the bronze age to the golden horde. Much of Norse mythology seems to have happened here as much as in Scandinavia. In iron age norwegian graves bodies have genes originating in balochistan and cercassia, in addition to the genetics you might expect. Something was definetly going on back then..

Great topic to discuss, I will listen to it again to make sure I absorb the complexity of it all! I am sure you are aware of the Anglo Saxons indo European story of creation?

The one eye is surely a hint to / about the third eye, or the Pineal gland. He after all could see the all. Also loss and sacrifice teaches you. You get experience and to add, you need to give to receive.

Can you make a video about Tyr?

@Crecganford

2 ай бұрын

What would you like to know about him?

@ForaneverDragon7

2 ай бұрын

@Crecganford I do not know much about Norse mythology but your video on Tyr somehow deepened Norse mythology for me. A God that is so ancient maybe humble that is almost forgotten by the aeons that succeed him.

Oh, please, please, please! The artist renderings of stuff in there? Who do I hunt down for the spectacular image of horses and wolves and ravens and eagles all merging together in a dreamy shadow? I'm an author, and I rely on your awesome content (Patreon, too) to help me research. But that image? I'd already described the Völve in my worldbuilding seeing it over a year ago. I need to find the artist. Please, can you help by sharing the visual source material for your video? Thank you so much for the awesome content you put out.

@Crecganford

3 ай бұрын

I made that, I will post on Patreon what I did to create that.

I'd like to see a deep dive of him in his shaman role, and how that may have influenced Indo-European beliefs, understandings, and practices. The etymology of his name is important, but I think is ultimately secondary to the experience of him.

@josephpercy1558

3 ай бұрын

I think 'shamanism' can only be defined very loosely. It comes from the Siberian _tungus_ medicine man/woman who have their own set of customs and rites that are at variance with other ethnic groups. There were probably "shamanic" elements in the Nordic/Germanic rites and customs, from the influence of the Sami tribes, but I doubt there was much that was fully "shamanic" in the way we think about it.

@gcanaday1

3 ай бұрын

@@josephpercy1558 There are reasons why I ask this. I think that what was there was suppressed before our primary sources were written down. Given the location of the original cradle of Indo-European culture, I have a difficult time with the concept that this wasn't a much more prominent element than is given credit. Yes, "shaman" is a wide-open term. But I challenge anyone to come up with a better one as I've got absolutely no replacement.

@user-ln9dh2bq8j

3 ай бұрын

He gave his third eye for clairvoyance. How could you have an imagination if you could see the future and all future outcomes. Hung dead for 9 days (9 is the number for completion) to gain the power of the spoken runes. I've heard that Norse culture is a cargo cult. If that's true I wonder who they were immatating?

@varjovirta3085

2 ай бұрын

i don't believe proto-Ie religion was shamanistic at all or even animistic. When we look now where they came from you do not see any signs of shamanism. Animism shamanism very likely came as substrate influence from from pre IE religions

@xflvincce

2 ай бұрын

@@gcanaday1 The word you're looking for is seiðr.