Ocean Vuong: "When I write, I feel larger than the limits of my body." | Louisiana Channel
"When I write, I feel much larger than the limits of my body. There is a mystery you tap into that is much bigger. And the poem becomes just a glimpse into what you reveal to yourself", says Ocean Vuong, one of the most celebrated poets to emerge in America.
Vuong began to study marketing without completing his first term. He dropped out of business school and enrolled at Brooklyn College, where he studied literature and where the American writer Ben Lerner was crucial for Vuong's development as a young writer. Today Vuong serves as a tenured Professor in the Creative Writing MFA Program at NYU.
"I think being a teacher has been one of the most transformative experiences of my life. The idea of handing over knowledge in order to share and bond is something our species has done not only to sustain and bolster each other but to survive," Vuong says. "I'm a better thinker because I teach, and I realize that my ideas are stronger when they are in service of other pieces of knowledge. I don't see my career as a writer, but I see teaching as a career."
"When you publish a book, it doesn't mean that you should or even can write another book. What I can assume is that I can keep teaching until my brain doesn't work anymore".
"I do not believe in style as a static phenomenon. I do not believe style is even an ontological truth. I think we have modes in the same way we have modes of speech when we talk to our mother in different modes of speech. You're not any more authentic with your mother than you are with your lover or your friend. You are who you are."
"I think no one saves us in this world, but people give us the tools so that we can transform towards our own rescue. And I think that is true of poems. We write them, and they're good enough, and then we let them go. Part of the act of writing is, is abandonment."
"There's so much that is still in debate, but for me, what's most important is the alternative queerness demands of me, another route. It can't just be 'route 1' or 'route 2'. There has to be another path. And often, I have to make that path myself. And this goes to the rules of writing. There are so many writing rules. And I think for so many queer folks, after a while, you realize that this road was never made with me in mind. And I have to stop the car, get out of it and climb over this guardrail. And now I'm wandering far away from everything that I've known, so far away from anything that has a name or a sign or a road signal. And I'm in the middle of the forest or the meadow, and I'm terrified. I'm washed with confusion and fear. And it's almost electric, an ecstatic terror that comes over me because I'm truly lost. But I'm also perhaps the most free I've ever been. In everything I feel, every step I take is something new to me. It is a discovery."
"And I realize that I don't really know what I'm doing. I'm just following the curiosity that the work of the writer is to not so much nail anything down, but to make space for the endeavor of curiosity, to widen the theater of wonder, and that to me is a very queer thing."
Ocean Vuong was born in 1988 in Saigon, Vietnam, and raised in Hartford, Connecticut, in a working-class family of nail salon and factory laborers. He was educated at nearby Manchester Community College before transferring to Pace University to study International Marketing. Without completing his first term, he dropped out of Business school and enrolled at Brooklyn College, where he graduated with a BA in Nineteenth-Century American Literature. He subsequently received his MFA in Poetry from NYU. He currently lives in Northampton, Massachusetts, and serves as a tenured Professor in the Creative Writing MFA Program at NYU. He published the bestselling novel, 'On Earth We're Briefly Gorgeous' in 2019, and it has been translated into 37 languages. His first collection of poetry, 'Night Sky with Exit Wounds' appeared in 2016. Vuong is a recipient of a 2019 MacArthur "Genius" Grant and the winner of the T.S. Eliot Prize, the Whiting Award, the Thom Gunn Award, and the Forward Prize for Best First Collection. In 2022 Vuong published the collection of poetry' Time is a Mother'
Ocean Vuong was interviewed by his Danish translator, the poet Caspar Eric, in connection with the Louisiana Literature festival, at the Louisiana Museum of Modern Art, Denmark, in August 2022.
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@PuneetMehrotra
11 ай бұрын
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"no one really saves us in this world but people give us the tools so that we can transform towards our own rescue" Ocean Vuong
@jon-tia2663
Жыл бұрын
I screen recorded that part lol
@JimParedesAPO
Жыл бұрын
absolutely
Just wow, i feel like he is one of the rare writer to speak the way he writes, he's answers are full of images and carefully picked words
@puseletsotsilo
Жыл бұрын
My Goodness!!!
@lwazihlophe8955
Жыл бұрын
10 minutes in I thought toy self "he is painting" I could listen to him all day.
@marcep5458
Жыл бұрын
yes!!!
@franklynraps
Жыл бұрын
yes
@khaitrantran
Жыл бұрын
Exactly!
He's not being abstract for the sake of being abstract, he is trying to communicate, or more precisely, using "flow" or "water" to teach you to be a better writer/self. Almost a zen-like quality if you will. Ocean Vuong is indeed, an American treasure.
@ThienNguyen-bh3ll
Жыл бұрын
He is also our Vietnam treasure. I am, a Vietnamese person, very proud of him.
@neurojitsu
Жыл бұрын
Sorry but I claim him for non-American, non-Vietnamese too... LOLx - this man is amazing
@bryancheng9225
Жыл бұрын
This goes beyond just writing. When you learn to master anything ANYTHING at all and you're able to turn off your thinking, judgemental mind and just go at this one single task, you find peace in the flow, you find peace in your work.
@sarumadaki
Жыл бұрын
You just had to sneak the "American" in there
@yonathanasefaw9001
Жыл бұрын
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Vulnerability is the most normal human condition, and we spend our entire adulthood hiding it. Such a beautiful interview, thank you for sharing this.
Never in my life I've stopped an interview so often to capture these precious words and reflect on them.
1. “Every word is almost a citizen in this collective hope toward clarity and expansion” 2. “No one really saves us in this world. But people give us the tools so that we can transform toward our own rescue.” 3. “….And I think, for so many queer folks, after a while you realize that this road was never made for me in mind. And I have to stop the car, get out of it, and climb over this guardrail. And now Im wandering, far away from everything that I’ve known. Far away from anything that has a name. Or a sign. Or a road signal. And Im in the middle of the forest or the meadow, and I’m terrified. Im washed with confusion and fear and there’s almost this electric, ecstatic terror that comes over me because I am truly lost; but I’m also perhaps the most free I’ve ever been. And everything I feel, every step I take is something new to me. It is a discovery. And from here, I have to make a life. And I think that to me is queerness. Its this-- finding the courage, or having no choice but to get off the road and explore & I think that’s where I am now as a practitioner.” 4. “ The minutiae and the grand all have room on one stage.” 5. “It’s not lost on me that it’s a great privilege to read a book.” 6. “I think we don’t talk enough about vulnerability as a normal condition. We often see vulnerability as weakness. But when you talk to somebody, even just for half hour, you realize that all sorts of people, in every category, every identity marker, are vulnerable. That vulnerability is the most normal human condition I’ve ever encountered as a person spending thirty-three years on Earth. And I think we build barriers to hide it. We build mechanisms out of the shame of the vulnerable. But the vulnerable is actually more normal, more human than bravado, or even irony, or you know, the masculinous mask of power. That is very brief. Those are brief performances. But vulnerability is actually the most pervasive. Out of 24 hours out of the day I would argue that the majority of those hours are spent feeling vulnerable; and we do everything we can to hide that because we have relegated that out of what is acceptable.” 7. “So I tell my students; to bring down the shield, that you have been taught since you were in kindergarten. To fortify that shield and to take down the armor & to step out into your work and your world and to collaborate with your vulnerability is the most powerful and strengthening thing you can ever do as an artist. Is to say that my vulnerability is my power because it is where all care comes from. It is where all the desire for improvement & my connection to others, my compassion comes from my understanding that I am a very, as a species, I am a very soft species. Im a very weak species physically, perhaps even mentally.” 8. “Vulnerability ironically is the strongest thing. It can never be destroyed, it is always there. And the more we allow it to come forward and the more we are forgiving of each other for expressing vulnerability I think the stronger you can be both as a writer, a student, and a human being.”
@allyson--
Жыл бұрын
@viviendomisabatico1587
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the recap! Words of gold by Ocean!
@San-zm8kj
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@lily52v32
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the recap!
@cyberwriter21
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this
This is my first encounter with Vuong, and what a gift. His voice has a beauty that resonates so deeply. Thank you for introducing me. The world needs more voices like this.
i've never cried while watching an interview but somehow this one made me cry, in the best way possible. thank you ocean for existing in this world.
@blackpaperstar2967
Жыл бұрын
Same here, this was so cathartic
i was glued to his words the entire time. each word is somehow so intentional and so well thought out even though he’s digesting the question and expressing the idea on the spot. ocean is truly a conduit of the divine
'Care is anger grown up.'
@musaquazi3495
11 күн бұрын
Wow! Love it.
It's a rare case to see someone that introvert to articulate his thoughts so magnificently. I wish he was my teacher.
This is incredible. What ocean said about the idea of authenticity being 'dubious' as it limits us into category and reduces experience on paper, and in reality, really was poetic. Also the idea of rage being a precursor of care, that care is the evolution of anger made me cry. So many people are stuck in rage because they cannot care.
@yonathanasefaw9001
Жыл бұрын
Stuck in rage? Haha, I'm not.
I've never felt more astounded and enriched by a single interview....I'm overflowing with gratitude ✨
When he began talking about how queer folks have to get out of the car and start again l almost cried. What an eloquent speaker, such clarity!
I think the word 'poet' should be used sparingly. I agree with Seamus Heaney that it's one of the few words in English retaining a sense of wonder. But when you hear Vuong reel off these improvised remarks (eg 'every word is a citizen in this collective hope') which are more beautiful than most could conjure after months of effort, then you know he really is deserving of the apellation.
The way he expresses himself is absolutely admirable. It moves me to express myself, unafraid.
I'm only 5 minutes in but it feels like he's been pouring out a half hour's worth of wisdom and insight.
He is so brilliant and eloquent. This interview really moved me.
"I have failed business school and didn't want to face my family empty handed so I studied literature." Ocean just like me fr
It's minds like these that made my want to stay at college longer. I didn't realize how quickly time went by just being absorbed in Vuong's words, exploring how they made me feel about who I am and my perspectives about the world.
His voice is as beautiful as his written works are 😭 makes me want to cry because i feel so much comfort just from his voice and his words. 😭
Every single interview, I cannot stop thinking about how much his speaking voice is similar to that of Toni Morrison. Both are extremely smart and well spoken people and both such a soothing melodic voice when delivering their thoughts. Thank you for the upload
@TeKeyaKrystal
Жыл бұрын
ahhhh .. that didn't come to mind for me , but now that you've said it , i can hear it
@lydialuke322
Жыл бұрын
both teachers as well
Undoubtedly the most powerful interview I’ve ever listened to. His wisdom is far beyond his years.
I could listen forever... the most eloquent, lucid interview I've ever heard: "Collaborate with your Vulnerability is the strongest thing you can do as an Artist"
7 min in and I have goosebumps all over my body, "And I think we go to writing to reckon with the DNA of a selfhood imprinted on paper."
I returned to this video...a gem on this channel
his words pull tears from my eyes. his mind calls out to mine by gently screaming, "catch up"
I could listen and will listen to Vuong speak forever. It’s so beautiful to listen to Vuong speak.
The way this man speaks moves me to tears.
The way this person communicates is completely beautiful and inspiring
never cried from watching an interview till this came:,( how fun and enlightening would it be to have him as a teacher, his mind and knowledge about the world are seriously so powerful!!
...He speaks so prettily... I'm in love with it
Now you know Im gonna order their whole bibliography, cause how does one make every sentence so damn quote worthy. They hit the nail every single time!! Best art teacher I've had in 37 min watch. Im still in art school, and I also write and this is wildly eye opening
I love how his name becomes alive as he talks. Wonderful!
Truly. One of the Wisest persons that I have ever heard speak. I am moved to tears. As a white, cis-gender American male, I say unequivocally that Ocean Vuong needs to be heard. (and as a bonus, my personal book of quotes just grew by at least 30 pages)
@Gay-Icon
Жыл бұрын
Why can't you just be a white male? What pretentious bollocks.
Thank you Ocean, for sharing your mind and widening and enriching our humanity.
So he speaks in poetry ❤❤
I’m constantly looking for art that I resinate with. Hoping to find a piece of myself in someone else’s words or music or painting. It can be beautiful or ugly; I just want it to be the truth. And even if it is ugly it’ll be beautiful. Because that’s the fascination right? These gifted folk that have found a way to externalize themselves and preserve it long enough to be beheld and analyzed. We can’t do that for ourselves. So when we see it in art we gape. I look for pieces of myself there hoping to find a part of myself I can understand. When I do find something i become emboldened and more awake in my body. The gifted had managed to make something ugly into something beautiful and I see myself in it. I understand a new part of myself. - I wrote this in my notes last night and then I found this video and it’s just yess that’s what I meant!! He says it so pretty and..coherent Sometimes not knowing the right words feels like a straitjacket. Forever jealous of minds like this. This seems like real freedom.
I am so in love with your mind, Ocean. Thank you for being.
I really could listen to him speak all day. He's a treasure of a human being.
Presumption and reality are such distinct things that human beings pass through everyday. When I landed at this interview, I had several ideas of how he would sound, how he wil talk. Having read his work vividly, I always felt that it would be very different. But he is his writing, every word he writes is beautifully imbued in the words he speaks. The way he speaks is lyrical and has the same symphonic feel as his written work.
Wow man I will listen to this every day . he is so educated , humble , gentle
I hope his writing continues. This world starves for such a worldview as poignant, as poetic, as humble, and as beautiful as his.
put it simply. I just love Ocean Vuong. His clarity is astonishing.
Alchemy...... He made his pain Gold instead of the rage the small talk and the inessential bs .. .... ❤❤Evi
Every once in a while you encounter an interview that goes so deep into things you might have think of but never in such depth. For me this video will need multiple viewing to be able to truly absorb. I'm so very grateful to Ocean Vuong.
Incredible choice of words, beautiful expression. Amazing individual.
I could listen to him all day. He is a deep thinker and his ideas embed something to anyone that listens.
Absolutely loved this. My only critique is in regards to his point on the pursuit of flattening hierarchies and so forth. It’s not that he’s entirely wrong when it comes to his points on the realities of hierarchies. For instance, it is true that the higher you go on a mountaintop there is less space. It is not as inclusive or as abundant in it’s real estate as the base of the mountain. However, I would postulate that the very pursuit of flattening and dismantling hierarchies is dangerous due to its self contradictory nature for it does take hierarchical perception to actually see a higher value in flattening hierarchies as being a more (higher) worthwhile pursuit and endeavor. It doesn’t integrate the truth of hierarchies perception. It’s an erroneous view to merely see all manifestations of hierarchies as merely tyrannical and as dominator hierarchies and never acknowledge growth hierarchies. It denies the joy and fulfillment that can come from ascending a high mountain peak and bask in the privilege of having gotten to see a view that is absolutely breathtaking that makes you appreciate life in a way a lot of people can’t and in a way you never could otherwise. I certainly don’t dismiss what he says, but rather wish to add and integrate to this otherwise wonderful interview 🙏🏼
Completely blown away by this interview. Can’t wait to get my hands on some of his work.
Awesome! I totally agree!
So humble! Thank you! 🍀
God he's a beautiful speakers i haven't come across such spoken eloquence in some time
Wow!
precious! thank you thank you for sharing.
I greatly appreciate this. Thank you.
The writer is so thoughtful. Thanks for the reminder, I was intending to read one of his novels and got side tracked from it. In a short time, he covers so many concepts rather eloquently and rather profoundly. Thank you
I don't know how I came across this.....but I feel all the more better for it.
An incredible talk - thanks for this
what a miraculous soul.
thank you! LOVE!😍😘💓💗💕
That hit me in my soul!
profound, great teacher. came across you on the plum village site. so glad I did !
I am in awe of this man
you help me feel safe with my vulnerable ❤️
Thank you for sharing this interview.
thank you ocean voung 🖤
incredibly powerful message.
I’m only five minutes in but had to comment already. I’m so blown away
beautiful
Wise words
Bravo!
my tears has been running down with mixed feelings like joy and some kind of personal regret. and i think i truly feel how vulnerability is as a term. thank you so much Ocean Vuong. i needed a teacher like you 10 years ago but i got to know you now. i am so grateful that you exist in any form. Thank you.
This is exactly what I needed
I feel so humble listening to him. What an peace!
Marvelous interview.
thank you Louisiana Channel ♥
Such a brilliant interview and most especially the last few minutes where he speaks about vulnerability.... incredibly moving.
love you ocean
I love this so much. I learn and experience alot about writing. Thank you for showing me that language, mode and style are keys to writing poetry. I would love to learn more, and luckily I am a teacher too.
wow, this is so incredible!
Inspiring and beautiful!
Really beautiful. Thank you, Louisiana Channel and thank you, Ocean Vuong.
I feel so inspired to study creative writing just to be taught by him, such a graceful presence 🤍
oh wow! this has been so insightful. thank you
how do words come out of his mouth like that?
love his voice and tone... and everything
Thank you , Ocean. 🌻
If there is one person or book I think about everyday other then normal people is on earth we are briefly gorgeous , I can never get over it in my whole life.
Insights of someone twice his age. I feel astounded and comforted. So much to think about
So beautiful, so much to think about, thank you!
for me this is healing a moment from the heart a deep embodied wisdom x thanks
impactful and thought provoking. thank you
so grateful to experience this. brilliant and inspiring.
Spoken so beautifully
This is, perhaps, my favorite video ever. I was hanging on to every second of every word! Thank you Ocean!
What a beautiful soul. I had to transcribe that final piece on vulnerability, print it and stick it on my wall. Thanks Ocean. What a name too. How apt.
I'm incredibly happy I've discovered this channel, my go-to at the moment to discover new artists and writers to follow, read or go see if I'm lucky. Thank you for these gems!
I am overflowing with gratitude and appreciation toward this marvelous speaker and other people who joined to create the interview. Here I've begun to literally dive into the most vulnerable and candid element of mine, which has actually been hidden for a while. Other words I'd like to line up are about the privilege of reading that still remains to be such, it is terrifying. What's more, I see it is significant to us to get the space upon self-learning and reflection amidst that flooding working routine. Now I see that the 20 minutes I've spent on the material, I don't regret it and that's why I choose to follow the curiosity rather than predictability. I couldn't know I'd reach out here, but now I am truly more than just happy. 🤍☕