Obscure Weapons: Napoleonic 1796 Light Cavalry Saber Prosser Quill Point Variant

The unusual variant of the 1796 light cavalry saber blade, featuring the quill point believed to have been popularized by Prosser in the late Napoleonic Wars.
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  • @BigBadBank
    @BigBadBank Жыл бұрын

    Excellent - that was like a proper Matt Easton video from back in the day!

  • @DETHMOKIL
    @DETHMOKIL Жыл бұрын

    The Osborn & Gunby is pretty slick. The Quill point I'm not so sold on, seems a bit tacticool lol

  • @sawyere2496

    @sawyere2496

    Жыл бұрын

    It’s also just rather ugly to me

  • @Lurklen

    @Lurklen

    Жыл бұрын

    Agreed. It's neat, and I can see how it might have value, but the Osborn & Gunby looks flash.

  • @bacon81
    @bacon81 Жыл бұрын

    Hello and God Bless you Matt 👋🏽

  • @0rimus
    @0rimus Жыл бұрын

    Get Windlass on the horn to make a reproduction of that Osborn Gunby model next please! I love that thing.

  • @FortyTwoBlades
    @FortyTwoBlades Жыл бұрын

    Pipe backs are neat, and the quill point does seem to align the shape of the point with the thrust to prevent deviation during penetration, but I can very much understand why they'd be less durable than a conventional arrangement. In reality, a gradual hollow grind would probably be the best compromise between the two styles. The pipe back removes unnecessary mass behind the edge but also too much right below it, while a more gradual hollow grind similar to a quarter-hollow straight razor would give the blade more lateral support than the pipe back would, and how thin the edge shoulder was brought could be made to be no thinner than what was suitable for durability's sake. It seems as though the fore edge near the tip on that example would have very limited depth of cut due to how shallow the span between the edge and the pipe are. As a note, in scythe terminology there is a word for that flat span: the "web" of the blade, in the same sense as the web of a duck's foot. On scythe blades the web's depth determined the thickness of the stalks that the blade could cut through without bottoming out against the corrugation of the rib along the back. Hay knives and early corn knives used a similar corrugation, and it's interesting to me that--to the best of my knowledge--the corrugation approach used to stiffen these tools wasn't adapted to swords.

  • @thezieg
    @thezieg Жыл бұрын

    Outstanding video and an interesting and unusual sword. This makes my cavalry-HEMA-practicing heart skip a beat!

  • @wompa70
    @wompa70 Жыл бұрын

    I always see Nasa's Super Guppy plane when looking at that.

  • @paradoxworkshop4659

    @paradoxworkshop4659

    Жыл бұрын

    Perhaps you require professional intervention. Securing one of each for your collection might be prohibitively expensive.

  • @-RONNIE
    @-RONNIE Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the video

  • @tabletsam5624
    @tabletsam5624 Жыл бұрын

    Is called Hechtspitze. Prussians used it. German Saberfencing and Mensur Love reverse hits with a sharp edge at the back until today. I am a German, fought 5 scharp Mensures and learned the German duelling Saber from a VDF Fencing Master. Love you Uli, see you in Valhalla. The best man who used a sharp blade in die last hundert years. We will fence again when i will Go. No fear. Look foreward for your next lesson. Pauk mich ein für den letzten Gang.

  • @lalli8152
    @lalli8152 Жыл бұрын

    I absolutely love that falchion style blade. Shame it didnt caught on in period. Would be cool if there would be well made replicas. If its rare sword i guess its hard to comeby, and then would be shame to damage it in cutting stuff.

  • @jaimimcentire99
    @jaimimcentire99 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the video! I picked up an early Imperial German saber with a pipe back and quill point, and didn't even realize it was a thing until I saw this.

  • @jeremiahshine
    @jeremiahshine Жыл бұрын

    The 1796 looks to be better named "The Heavy Light Calvary Sabre". I imagine the awkward tip would be petty "gashy" on the back-swing after a proper slash.

  • @spamhonx56

    @spamhonx56

    Жыл бұрын

    He mentions in passing that the example in the video has an oversized blade, if it's the same one he's mentioned in the past it's something like 20-25% larger than standard, making it quite a large beast.

  • @AndICanTalk2
    @AndICanTalk2 Жыл бұрын

    Interesting blade. Great video.

  • @fsmoura
    @fsmoura Жыл бұрын

    Heck yeah! I love the smell of obscure weapons in the morning ( o.o)

  • @timothymcgraw8404
    @timothymcgraw8404 Жыл бұрын

    The Osborn & Gunby, is really cool, I see why they are sought after.

  • @jcwoodman5285
    @jcwoodman5285 Жыл бұрын

    Sweet! 🤗 I just checked ebay to see one & there today is one actual 1796 in fair shape & about $400 & 5 days to go...

  • @chrishull9041
    @chrishull9041 Жыл бұрын

    I have a quilepoint French 1845. I had never seen it before getting my sword. I have to say I like it.

  • @Han-rw9ev
    @Han-rw9ev Жыл бұрын

    The Osborn and Gunby sword is my favourite out of these.

  • @Sophocles13
    @Sophocles13 Жыл бұрын

    @ 8:00 OMG It's a Bowie knife on the end of a Saber! I'm freaking IN LOVE!

  • @billwinston7912
    @billwinston7912 Жыл бұрын

    I realize “got any American sabers?” Is possibly the most American question I could ask and in possibly the most American way. But I guess the Americans followed the French saber trends and I’d love to hear and learn all about that. Could you recommend any good reading material on the topic? Hoping this might make a great video topic for you. I’m personally invested as someone whose family has fought in every major American conflict since that first one…sorry about that.

  • @bmxriderforlife1234

    @bmxriderforlife1234

    Жыл бұрын

    He's got a few older videos on French Sabre but they aren't primarily his main collecting concern.

  • @frankharr9466
    @frankharr9466 Жыл бұрын

    A lot of ingenuity goes into those things.

  • @LuxisAlukard
    @LuxisAlukard Жыл бұрын

    I think this is the simplest weird looking sword I saw on this channel, and I like the look. It's been interesting!

  • @georgerobartes2008
    @georgerobartes2008 Жыл бұрын

    Interesting . No mention of the fact that "Prosser" is or was until very recently a nickname for a Royal Naval rating based on the fact that Prosser was responsible for the issue Royal Navy swords of the period . Also small 'factet' is that the assassination of the Duke of Buckingham in the early C17th was with a " foursquare " or spear point dagger that would have penetrated his buff coat and apparel worn at the time . A contemporary article and drawing of this dagger exists in the British Library . So the fact that point was already known to have penetrated buff leather as worn in cross belts on Marines and the short sabre deriving from the short curved blade " Cuttoo " ( Acadamie of Armory - Randal Holmes c.1680) or cutlass as it became known , not that far removed from a ' hanger/hangar' ( of which the Royal Armouries when at the Tower has a fine collection ) , the combination on board ships of the line in CQB would have been deadly .

  • @corneliussulla9963
    @corneliussulla9963 Жыл бұрын

    Recently I ve seen a Polish ´Ludwikówka´ wz.34 on egun, which was turned into a machete. Probably broken and this was the ´repair´. Heartbraking...

  • @Vanjasper
    @Vanjasper Жыл бұрын

    I have one of these 1796 sabers, supposed to have family connections. It was in bad condition especially the hand grip. I live in Bulgaria and was persuaded to give it to a Bulgarian cutler (knife maker) for repair and sharpening. He made a very good job of sharpening the blade, but made a bollix of the hand grip. I wonder would it be worth my while to convert it to a clip blade style .With the way the hand grip is, I doubt any collector would be interested. I keep it in its original scabbard, the blade generously covered with vaseline.

  • @Buzzcook

    @Buzzcook

    Жыл бұрын

    Probably a better idea to get the grip done properly.

  • @alfrede.neuman9082

    @alfrede.neuman9082

    Жыл бұрын

    Definitely do not convert it to clip blade... best to keep it as original as possible.

  • @TheBaconWizard
    @TheBaconWizard Жыл бұрын

    Stick a 3-bar guard onto that Osbourne & Gunby blade and I'll be in-love.

  • @stormiewutzke4190
    @stormiewutzke4190 Жыл бұрын

    Matt I would love if you could give us some good numbers when it comes to cross sectional thickness. Especially for something like this it would be really interesting to understand the geometry. Swords have really complex cross sections that can change and I would really love to understand them better. I make knives now but someday I would love to get into swords. Swords especially from this era were also very high tech and I think there are probably a lot of lessons to be mined that could still be used in knives. I think the pipe back is a really interesting design with a lot of merits. I don't know how much stiffness is in the mid and lower blade but for the last 6-8" the blade would be very stiff as compared to another design with the same amount of frontal surface area. If I'm not saying it understanbly I am saying that the blade is very broad an thin for the most part and by limiting the cross sectional thickness to a small area there is the minimum of wedging and it might be possible that the small bearing surface of the rib might actually open up the cut and have lower friction than if the entire surface was making tight contact. By adding another cutting section on the other side of that rib it pushes the point of balance further out unlike the clipped that would reduce weight. I would assume this is a good thing since it is a sword focused on the cut and this is one option where you basically are just adding better thrusting ability without really taking anything from the original design. Whenever you talk about one of these I always wish you would talk about sword design. I would be really interested to know what you would do for the perfect saber. You already know I'm interested in your ideas for knives as well. In some ways something I think might be the most useful is a set of specifications for a modern war saber. Meaning an all purpose saber and not just for the duel. While it would be interesting to think of a space age saber a lot of things would likely remain since people Haven't changed much and the physics of what it needs to do remain.

  • @incitatusrecordings473
    @incitatusrecordings473 Жыл бұрын

    11:50 wicked sword!

  • @josephangiulo8601
    @josephangiulo8601 Жыл бұрын

    There's also a pipe-backed Prussian heavy cavalry saber, the model of 1852/79. I believe the 1879 modification has the pipe-backed blade. It's an absolute monster of a sword, and there's a lot to like about that style of blade. All those rare variations make me grateful I don't collect just 1796-pattern light cavalry sabers!

  • @edmundy3952
    @edmundy3952 Жыл бұрын

    Clipping the point? Now that’s soldiering.

  • @formisfunction1861
    @formisfunction1861 Жыл бұрын

    Wild!

  • @petar.dj98
    @petar.dj98 Жыл бұрын

    Do a video where you choose 3 weapons from your collection for a zombie apocalypse

  • @jellekastelein7316
    @jellekastelein7316 Жыл бұрын

    Hooray, more antiques! :o) If you ignore the pipeback, it looks a bit like an upside-down recurve blade / yataghan in profile.

  • @glenlivett78
    @glenlivett78 Жыл бұрын

    I've read that prior to the battle of Waterloo Wellington ordered his cavalry to have their 1796 heavy and light saber points "clipped" to deal with the French heavy cavalry that wore breastplates. Is there anyone that can confirm or refute this? I live across the pond and we don't have readily available experts like they do in England and Europe when it comes to swords

  • @TheHazmate

    @TheHazmate

    Жыл бұрын

    No chance that a sabre or most swords is gonna penetrate a breastplate. The clipping if accurate, might be to do false edge cuts on wrists and face, and all other non cuirass'd areas.

  • @robertprovan9374

    @robertprovan9374

    Жыл бұрын

    The order is well established fact though I believe it applied only to the heavy cavalry. As I understand it spear pointing heavy cavalry swords was a common field modification during the peninsular campaign, the Waterloo order just made it official and allowed the household cavalry (who hadn't been deployed to the peninsular) to take advantage of the knowledge gained by those units that had seen combat.

  • @colbunkmust

    @colbunkmust

    Жыл бұрын

    My $.02: Considering that Cuirassier and Carabiniers-à-Cheval breastplates were proofed to resist black powder small-arms fire, I don't think changing the points on swords is going to make any difference its inability to penetrate plate armor. Even when armor of the medieval period was considerably thinner, and many sword tips were more thrust-centric, they didn't try to brute force their way through breastplates. This account you're describing seems very apocryphal.

  • @nickdougan394

    @nickdougan394

    Жыл бұрын

    There was an order to clip the hatchet blades of heavy cavalry swords, but not as far as I know light cavalry ones. I think that many heavy cavalry regiments had already done so following experience in the Peninsula, but some received the order on the "eve" of the battle of Waterloo. Richard Dellar, in The British Cavalry Sword 1788 - 1912 (Choir Press, 2013), reports an account attributed to a Private James Smithies of the 1st Dragoons that they had been ordered to grind the backs of their swords to counter the steel breastplates of the French Cuirassiers. (Whether this would have given them a realistic chance of penetrating said cuirass is a moot point.) There are plenty of examples of P1796 HC troopers' blades so converted, Interestingly later HC officers' swords (from about 1813) were being manufactured with spearpoints with the same pipeback and quill point (on an almost straight blade) as Matt was showing here.

  • @chroma6947

    @chroma6947

    Жыл бұрын

    Only the heavy cavalry did that the light cavalry would just aim for the limbs

  • @Dragonamg2
    @Dragonamg2 Жыл бұрын

    I have a 1796 sabre with a clipped point, a single fuller, and without the tombstones on the grip. The only markings are a GR under a crown on the right side of the blade and what looks like "S Harvey Birm" on the spine of the blade. It doesn't quite match any 1796 version Matt has talked about yet. I'd love to know more if anyone recognizes it. edit: the blade is 36 inches and it came with what looks to be the original scabbard. It is made of leather with no core and steel fittings at either end.

  • @phiengley
    @phiengley Жыл бұрын

    The Victoria & Albert Museum recently (about a month ago) put up pictures of two two-handed Indian swords that were also flintlocks, with the hilt acting as the barrel. The site says they're not up on display, but as an "insider" I was wondering if you'd perchance gotten to check them out?

  • @ironanvil1
    @ironanvil1 Жыл бұрын

    Would be interested in a vid on the khanda. Always been interested in why its a double bladed sword, yet has the false edge having a cover plate over it, rather than just being a backsword.

  • @TheBaconWizard
    @TheBaconWizard Жыл бұрын

    Matt, I would be VERY keen to see some of the rapiers you mentioned which have a square-section blade or some other non-cutting geometry, but with a flared-tip to give-back some of that cutting ability. I think you said that there are some in the Royal Armouries? My googling is not up-to the task, apparently.

  • @scholagladiatoria

    @scholagladiatoria

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes I handled a few in their store room. Hopefully I will be going up there to do some filming in coming months.

  • @WJS774
    @WJS774 Жыл бұрын

    Weird looking, but the point definitely looks effective. Especially when compared to a normal 1796. You can get an idea of that by imagining two lines on the two edges of the point followed by a third halfway between them. The closer that is to the hand, the easier it is to thrust with it. With this one, that line of the point looks like it would be _very_ close to the hilt, despite the curve of the blade.

  • @morriganmhor5078
    @morriganmhor5078 Жыл бұрын

    From all I´ve read in Kinsley, D. A. - Swordsmen of the British Empire (really a very interesting book, thank you, Matt), most of the skirmishes and battles of cavalry were about "hack and slash". In that context, neither those "blunt spit" descendants of the masterful 1796 pattern nor that Osbern type of "improved kilidj" is a real improvement. The time of armour and estocs was long gone. I´m afraid though you´re more an idea-disciple of those masters fencers from London than of men of Indian cavalry, perfect riders and skirmishers.

  • @elliotsmith9812
    @elliotsmith9812 Жыл бұрын

    An interesting topic might be swords which did not, or mostly did not survive to the modern time. Swords which were manufactured en mass, but only very few still exist, and why.

  • @gregoryburns4034
    @gregoryburns4034 Жыл бұрын

    New to the channel. I apologize, do you have any videos on the 1917 or Patton sabers??

  • @nickdavis5420
    @nickdavis5420 Жыл бұрын

    Mmm I love it let’s just give everyone messers

  • @behdodbaniahmad9775
    @behdodbaniahmad9775 Жыл бұрын

    Mat, will you be doing a video on Gothic hilted Napoleonic era swords? Because they can be also obscure.

  • @deforesttappan6478
    @deforesttappan6478 Жыл бұрын

    Matt I have a question for you. Have you done a video talking about the difference between gontlites and braisers? The reason I ask is Assassin's Creed so called assassin gontlite. I think it's a braiser is it?

  • @ibalrog
    @ibalrog Жыл бұрын

    You mentioned that the need for more hand protection on a cavalry sword is debatable. I would think that if you're giving point, holding a sword still and charging a horse at a hostile target, protecting the hand that's inline with the thrust of the attack would result in a fair number of hand/object collisions.

  • @elijahoconnell
    @elijahoconnell Жыл бұрын

    can i ask when were gonna get part two of your sword hilt video i quite liked it

  • @scholagladiatoria

    @scholagladiatoria

    Жыл бұрын

    Soon! :-)

  • @Sabre707
    @Sabre707 Жыл бұрын

    Admirável 👈🏽

  • @ltjamescoopermason8685
    @ltjamescoopermason8685 Жыл бұрын

    Is there any information of the manufacturers on the giant cavalry sword or who commissioned this huge beauty .

  • @andymason1324
    @andymason1324 Жыл бұрын

    What an ingenious design ! Would it be a lot more expensive to manufacture these Prosser blades over the standard 1796 ones ?

  • @Rikki-Tikki-Tavi
    @Rikki-Tikki-Tavi Жыл бұрын

    "In fact, none of the swords are the sword we're looking at in this video."

  • @benjaminwright5936
    @benjaminwright5936 Жыл бұрын

    I can see the 1800's gear geeks loving this sword.

  • @DJRockford83
    @DJRockford83 Жыл бұрын

    That's one VERY pretty sword. Ok I want one now 😅

  • @DJRockford83

    @DJRockford83

    Жыл бұрын

    The Osborne and Grunby one that is

  • @JSRLPadre
    @JSRLPadre Жыл бұрын

    I've suspected for some time now that Euro/American Sabre fighting was a basis for a Northern Filipino martial art system that I studied. The Osbourne & Gunby pattern sabre looks very similar to a particular style of bolo, or talunáson in old/archaic Ilocano, that was a popular tool blade in the North. The talunáson as understood in modern FMA is basically a golok pattern blade on Viagra.

  • @nathancole6678
    @nathancole6678 Жыл бұрын

    More than halfway through the video: “but this is not the sword we are talking about in this video” ;) Serious question: Do you know if the carp-tongue bronze sword were meant to prevent over-penetrating? I hadn’t thought about the advantage of a broadening blade in terms of over-penetration.

  • @raphlvlogs271
    @raphlvlogs271 Жыл бұрын

    1796 Light Cavalry Sabre will also make a lot of sense in Eastern European and central Asian swordsmanship

  • @BH-rx3ue
    @BH-rx3ue Жыл бұрын

    I'll take the osborn version please for the simple fact that it looks the coolest.

  • @blakebailey22
    @blakebailey2210 ай бұрын

    I don't like pipe back swords because that raised bar where the fuller should be seems like it would cause of lot of friction/resistance when it comes to thrusts

  • @zurgesmiecal
    @zurgesmiecal Жыл бұрын

    meaningful

  • @willek1335
    @willek1335 Жыл бұрын

    @scholagladiatoria i'd appreciate an overview video of all the various terms and names used for these imperial swords. Patton? Why 1796? An introductory video for people who don't know alot, but would like to get into it. Thank you.

  • @austincummins7712

    @austincummins7712

    Жыл бұрын

    He is saying "pattern", not Patton (I am American, I understand why you might hear Patton). So when he says "1796 pattern" or something similar he is referring to the officially adopted 1796 Pattern Light Cavalry Sabre (at least in this case). It is referred to as a pattern because it had a certain physical pattern/style to meet (roughly a certain blade shape, and more specifically the shape/construction of the hilt). Officers generally had to purchase their swords and were not issued them, but they had to be regulated enough to be incorporated into a uniformed army. Blade shape and length could be customized a bit more, because that is going to be hidden in the scabbard, but the hilt itself often had to at least appear uniform to other troops to a large degree. You had different patterns of sword for different regiment types (i.e. light cavalry sabre vs. heavy cavalry sabre, infantry officer's swords, royal engineer's swords, artillery officer, etc.) and you had different years in which new patterns were adopted (I believe the 1796 LCS pattern was used up until the 1821 or 1822 pattern replaced it). This is all in regards to the British empire- obviously French swords or other nations will have their own notable patterns/years and ways of regulating things for their army. For a very introductory overview that might help you understand what he is referring to, this site below provides a general overview with images so you can get an idea. Not saying it is the penultimate source for British sword patterns, but I think it answers the questions you are getting at. Hope this helps- and welcome to the channel/hobby! www.fordemilitaryantiques.com/articles/2019/3/19/identifying-british-infantry-officers-swords EDIT: Okay, I realized something confusing about the link I posted, so I wanted to clarify. This video is about the 1796 Light Cavalry Sabre (specifically some odd variants of it) but that link I gave you is specifically _infantry_ officer's swords. So you will notice the 1796 pattern sword that appears in that link looks totally different to what he is showing in this video, because the 1796 infantry officer's sword is a totally different pattern from the 1796 light cavalry sabre (albeit having the same year of adoption). I could not find a similar page showing the timeline of British cavalry sabre patterns, but this second site posted below has a bunch of examples that somewhat give you an idea. At any rate, the idea of sword patterns and the years should at least be conveyed by the original link (especially if you read the descriptions of the patterns listed, you can see clearly that the attempt is to regulate the overall design of the sword somewhat for use and uniform appearance). www.antique-swords.com/british-cavalry-sabres/

  • @willek1335

    @willek1335

    Жыл бұрын

    @@austincummins7712 Thank you Mr Cummins. That response hit the nail on the head.

  • @dillonbuford
    @dillonbuford Жыл бұрын

    Looks like he is trying to send tip pics

  • @anthonyjbargeman5280
    @anthonyjbargeman5280 Жыл бұрын

    I love that Osbourn and Gumby. How can I get one ? I am in the US

  • @scholagladiatoria

    @scholagladiatoria

    Жыл бұрын

    You just have to wait for one to come up in auction or through a dealer. Only two or three come up for sale each year and they sell quickly.

  • @dutch6857
    @dutch6857 Жыл бұрын

    Really cool piece of history, but I have to say that I like the looks of the Osbourne more.

  • @darthvaper6745
    @darthvaper6745 Жыл бұрын

    I have an Osbourne & Gunby, Dragoon Guards, Irish Captain's saber, with an ivory handle (Same style handle) and a fully etched blade, with an insane in curve to the blade for sale...Says it belongs to John Phibbs Captain. If you are interested?

  • @scholagladiatoria

    @scholagladiatoria

    Жыл бұрын

    Ivory is legally very difficult now, but feel free to send me some pics to eastonantiquearms@gmail.com

  • @erichusayn
    @erichusayn Жыл бұрын

    I'm a katana guy, but own and am proficient with swords of all cultures (proof on channel) and a legit antique 1796 light cavalry saber is on my "to get" list (if you know of any let me know please). I need to replace the cold steel 1796 light cavalry crowbar i own...

  • @Divine_Serpent_Geh

    @Divine_Serpent_Geh

    Жыл бұрын

    Heard the Cold Steel sword problems way too many times. I’ve only had 2 Cold Steel products (their sword “machete” hybrids), but the main thing I’ve consistently heard over the years is not enough proper distal taper or weight distribution.

  • @pe003
    @pe00327 күн бұрын

    As a matter of interest how long is the blade

  • @Riceball01
    @Riceball01 Жыл бұрын

    Quick quesation thjat's not directly related to this vbdeo. Does anyone know if the swords carried by the members of the Britisdh Household Cavalry and by the King's Troop of Mounted Artillerry are actually sharpened with properly tempered high carbon steel blades or are they blunt like most other modern military swords? Although, with how of then they draw and sheath their swords while on ceremonial guard duty, they'd probably need resharpening pretty often if they were sharp.But If I were a member of one of those units, I'd certainly want a sharpened version of their swords to carry while on guard duty.

  • @scholagladiatoria

    @scholagladiatoria

    Жыл бұрын

    They are owned by the regiment and they are functional carbon steel blades, but not sharpened. Swords were only sharpened when war was declared, up until WW1.

  • @richard6133
    @richard6133 Жыл бұрын

    "A banana!" 🤣

  • @Wolf-Wolfman
    @Wolf-Wolfman Жыл бұрын

    Great video of some sexy sabres

  • @andreweden9405
    @andreweden9405 Жыл бұрын

    Banana is probably one of my very favorite words for a British person to say! "Banonner"!😃😂

  • @austincummins7712

    @austincummins7712

    Жыл бұрын

    Since you are commenting on British pronunciation, I will assume (knowing full well the risk of doing so) that you are American (or least speak American English). As an American myself, I have to say my favorite British pronunciation of a word is 'aluminum' (I am sure you have heard Matt pronounce it before). British: ow-lue-MIN-EE-um American: uh-LUE-min-um I just don't understand where the extra 'ee' sound comes from- unless maybe they spell aluminum with an extra 'i' (aluminium). Either way- I love it. Runner up would have to be 'lieutenant' because it feels like they just said to hell with this French word we are calling it 'leftenant' even though it is spelled totally differently.

  • @mm-dw2yh

    @mm-dw2yh

    9 ай бұрын

    We spell it aluminium with an I. But I don't have a scooby why we say lef-tenant

  • @exploatores
    @exploatores Жыл бұрын

    I thought the main mission wasn´t fighting. if the commander order them to charge the enemy. the commander might have mixed up the cav units.

  • @Leman.Russ.6thLegion
    @Leman.Russ.6thLegion Жыл бұрын

    I think the Prussians did a good job of fixing the point on their m48 swords.

  • @vonmazur1

    @vonmazur1

    Жыл бұрын

    The Prussians figured out early that a spear point was the solution to curved blades.

  • @hazzardalsohazzard2624

    @hazzardalsohazzard2624

    Жыл бұрын

    What did they do to them?

  • @squatch2461
    @squatch2461 Жыл бұрын

    🍻

  • @raphlvlogs271
    @raphlvlogs271 Жыл бұрын

    how comparable is the 1796 Light Cavalry Sabre to the French Briquet sabre used in a similar time period?

  • @scholagladiatoria

    @scholagladiatoria

    Жыл бұрын

    Very different. The briquet is a short sword with a relatively heavy hilt.

  • @michaelmorley8105
    @michaelmorley8105 Жыл бұрын

    What was the sword used by Sean Bean in Shape

  • @scholagladiatoria

    @scholagladiatoria

    Жыл бұрын

    1796 Heavy Cavalry trooper's pallasch

  • @doratheexploder286
    @doratheexploder286 Жыл бұрын

    what maker is this one marked to?

  • @greghudzik3770
    @greghudzik3770 Жыл бұрын

    I have read that General George Patton invented a type of cavalry sabre. Do you know anything about this blade?

  • @scholagladiatoria

    @scholagladiatoria

    Жыл бұрын

    He did not invent it, but it was named after him. The Model M1913 US cavalry sword featured a hilt that was designed by a committee, and then Patton recommended that they copy the Swedish cavalry sword M1893 blade and use that with it. The resulting sword has become known at the 'Patton saber', but it was not really designed by him, or certainly not by him alone. He did however create a manual for using it.

  • @GrimDim
    @GrimDim Жыл бұрын

    If scholagladiatoria comes to your house at 3 am with all of his floating swords floating behind him what do you do?

  • @scholagladiatoria

    @scholagladiatoria

    Жыл бұрын

    A cut of tea is usually the best option.

  • @luisyanez6261
    @luisyanez6261 Жыл бұрын

    Funnily enough, this prosser quill point sabre inspired the Follower's sabre from Dark Souls 3 🤔

  • @beepboop204
    @beepboop204 Жыл бұрын

    🙂

  • @LostSouLVL
    @LostSouLVL Жыл бұрын

    Is there even a more "pointy" sword than the British Pattern 1908 cavalry sword?

  • @elshebactm6769
    @elshebactm6769 Жыл бұрын

    🤠👍🏿

  • @nullifye7816
    @nullifye7816 Жыл бұрын

    I guess on a long enough timeline all cultures will reinvent the messer (~*spits on the ground*~) Looks odd on a modern-era sabre. The quill-point reminds me of a narwhal too :P or maybe some kitchen knives that are supposed to cut out as far as possible to the tip, without becoming cleavers. Having said that I can't imagine it cutting well out near the tip because of the pipe/spine. I know there's a debate about pipe-backs in cutting. The Italians liked them a lot, but there is so little "bladeage" on that one where it meets that spine.

  • @PJDAltamirus0425

    @PJDAltamirus0425

    Жыл бұрын

    Makes me think that if their is a archetypal sword type, that their is probably a 19th century copy/reinvention of it, they reinvented stuff that much.

  • @andybaxter4442
    @andybaxter4442 Жыл бұрын

    I feel like the clipped style of blade wasn't adopted widely because it did look a bit too medieval, and thus not "modern," to the eyes of people in the 1800's. Just the biases and perceptions of the people at the time.

  • @scholagladiatoria

    @scholagladiatoria

    Жыл бұрын

    It could be! We'll probably never know, but functionally I can think of no good reason why it was not more popular.

  • @edi9892
    @edi9892 Жыл бұрын

    That spearpoint looks as dull as the spears found in Victorian wrought iron fences...

  • @scholagladiatoria

    @scholagladiatoria

    Жыл бұрын

    It is 200+ years old and is not as pointy as it once would have been.

  • @CodfishJoe
    @CodfishJoe Жыл бұрын

    "giving point." Yet again this channel gives us another excellent sexual innuendo.

  • @erichusayn
    @erichusayn Жыл бұрын

    I have a theory. By the time the opposing infantrymen started to overrun the officers (assuming they havent galloped away), their ammunition is expended, and it's hand to hand combat, and the officers needed a "step up version" to make devastating cuts and threats in the event their infantry are overrun.

  • @Riceball01

    @Riceball01

    Жыл бұрын

    That wouldn't really be the case since officers and enslited carry the same pattern of swords, it's just that the officers' were fancier and privately purchased by them instead of being issued. The most likely reason could be what you said, but it wouldn't have been a case of all officers, just one officer who had the sword personally comiisoned for him. Back then, it wasn't unusual for an officer to have a non-regulation sword commissioned for themselves, they often had a regulation hilt married to a non-regulation blade so that it looked regulation when sheathed. In some cases, as Matt has mentioned in previous videos, they sometimes didn't even go that far and carried completely non-regulation swords, but that was because they were in some far flung colonial posting where the regulations were more lax.

  • @chroma6947

    @chroma6947

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Riceball01 Yup particularly in india people wanted steel hilts over regulation brass

  • @lofidrone6374
    @lofidrone6374 Жыл бұрын

    If you want to win the thrusting game, you have to be good at giving point and penetrating.

  • @troyfiss9332
    @troyfiss9332 Жыл бұрын

    At first I thought that has to be the ugliest sword design of all time, but the spear tip is kinda genius.

  • @andrewsock1608
    @andrewsock1608 Жыл бұрын

    I always hated curved swords because they bend and flop to the side when delivering heavy blows. I would imagine the pipe back was an attempt at stiffening the blade to reduce that horrible flop that leads to a bent blade. But since they added weight to the tip with the pipe it would counter act any stiffening by the pipe in the lower portions of the blade. Personally I’ve bent every curved sword I’ve used and I can see yours are bent too Matt 👍👍

  • @LuxTheSlav

    @LuxTheSlav

    Жыл бұрын

    Yup, it's totally the swords' fault. Certainly.

  • @emarsk77
    @emarsk77 Жыл бұрын

    That Prosser sabre seems an amazing concentration of designs that I dislike: strong curvature, off-line point, pipe back, yalman (and what an ugly one)… The Osborn & Gunby, however…

  • @AnimeSunglasses
    @AnimeSunglasses Жыл бұрын

    Leave it to Matt to get halfway through the video before he literally picks up the subject of the video. _CONTEXT!_

  • @polyommata
    @polyommata Жыл бұрын

    first!

  • @wendel5868
    @wendel5868 Жыл бұрын

    I like my women very curvy, my swords, not so much. It looks like a b-movie prop. That indian cavalry one looks amazing though.

  • @markbecker71
    @markbecker71 Жыл бұрын

    Why it wasn't adopted..politics, money..just like weapons systems today..🤔

  • @johnbattyll6874
    @johnbattyll6874 Жыл бұрын

    Matt doesnt like over penetration?? Sure there is a joke in there some where.

  • @onbedoeldekut1515
    @onbedoeldekut1515 Жыл бұрын

    Sorry, Matt, but no. When held with the blade on a vertical axis, if the arm/wrist are at their lowermost extremity, the point is in the most advantageous position from which to 'give point'. In this instance alone, the point will present at an as close to horizontal as if the blade were held in the standard 'flat' guard/position. In this state, the point would be perfectly situated to puncture a torso from the momentum of the horse alone, and the inertia/momentum etc would potentially cleave the weapon from its soft and fleshy target. I would wager that the curve and geometry of the blade would assist in the re-acquisition of the blade when desired.

  • @chroma6947

    @chroma6947

    Жыл бұрын

    You can see british dragoon pictures from mid 18th century doing exactly that just angling the point a different way for thrusting

  • @eazy8579

    @eazy8579

    Жыл бұрын

    Do you have a source, or are you just spouting to your opinion on an antique sword dealer and trained saber fencing master? Because I feel like unless you do, I’ll take Matt’s assessment over yours?

  • @jasonthayer762
    @jasonthayer762 Жыл бұрын

    I have been wondering if there was ever a non-pacifist culture that hated swords in general or had a taboo against them? Google has failed me. Does anyone know?

  • @austincummins7712

    @austincummins7712

    Жыл бұрын

    The Aiele? 😄 (Hoping you are a Wheel of Time fan) In all seriousness, that is an interesting question. I would think that any non-pacifist culture is going to treat weapons as tools, and the value of a sword is going to be hard to ignore as a weapon/tool in terms of the sweet spot between being wearable but also having decent range/capability (as opposed to a spear or polearm). When does a large knife become a short sword? I think what is more likely is that you would find a culture which lacked the technology to create swords (only making crude knives or spear tips), and upon encountering cultures with swords there might be some cultural bias against them because they distinguish the "other culture". It would not be specifically targeted at swords for being swords (like the Aiele did) but just because that is the thing of the other culture. Then again, in most cases in history where this type of thing happens, that culture is perfectly happy to adopt the new technology, because they see the benefits of it.

  • @colbunkmust
    @colbunkmust Жыл бұрын

    I gotta disagree with you Matt, the shape of that quill point looks terrible for thrusting because the pipe section extends to the very tip without tapering at all. It's effectively made the point into philips-head screwdriver. I'd much rather take the clipped point for either cutting or thrusting.

  • @scholagladiatoria

    @scholagladiatoria

    Жыл бұрын

    It has been slightly blunted from what it originally would have been, as it's 200+ years old and is missing its scabbard. The clipped point is thinner, but also therefore more fragile, and remember that these are cavalry swords, hitting with a considerable amount of momentum. A strong point is as important as a pointy point :-)

  • @chrisball3778
    @chrisball3778 Жыл бұрын

    Bidents. They were real. Why?