The mono stereo thing......In a track, I hardly ever use more than one or two sounds in stereo, more than that, the track becomes mushy and undefined. Mono can be a beautiful thing, and I feel the Prophet 5 in Mono is absolutely beautiful!

@joxer96

10 ай бұрын

I agree completely. The wide stereo patches take up a lot of space in the mix. Alex Ball addresses the issue of Prophets having only mono out in one of his vids by demoing how great multiple mono Prophet tracks sound. Having said all that, I’ll take both a Prophet 10 and the Obie. My dream synths!😅

Killer video Mr Daneker - very helpful and enlightening especially with the Rev 2 thrown in the mix. Always loved that board too!! ✊

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

Man, way to make my day brother Jack! Always great to hear from you! 😁👊🏻

the OB-X8 & Prophet 10 be a must have for any musician!

Tks again for showing those beautiful synths!

Another peach, James. Thanks for taking the time.

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

Sure thing, and thanks much!

Beautiful all around. Your playing. Your chord choices. Your tones!!!!

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

Thanks brother!

Coming back to this video after owning all three of these gems. They all serve a purpose in my studio and I try to pull from the strengths of each in my production. For my work, the Oberheim is thick, lush and commanding with an always musical tone, the Prophet 10 is the mediator that “sits” in the mix without being too dull or too harsh, and the Rev2 offers both the functionality and polyphony of a workhorse and the sound will usually cut through any dense track, though I often reach for a little EQ to complete its sound. Very good video! ✨

@JimDaneker

2 ай бұрын

Thanks Matt!

Great video! I really liked your comparisons. I like to see my Rev2 validated. I always knew it to be a great analog synth and I feel lucky to own it.

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

The Rev 2 has consistently earned more and more respect for me… It’s an absolute monster of a synth!

@vampolascott36

Жыл бұрын

@@JimDaneker It’s capable of complex modulation and that’s why I’d never go back to my old Prophet 600.

Prophet Rev 2 suona che è una bomba!!! È un synth straordinario, ti ringrazio per il confronto che hai fatto , o ascoltato il video su delle casse e ogni volta che mettevi le mani sul Rev2 solbalzavo dalla sedia😍. Il suono del oberheim e molto simile al Rev2

This was a very good demonstration of the effectiveness of stereo vs mono in a synth.

Came for the x8, left wanting a rev2! 😂

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

Ha - that seems to be a growing theme!

@muco007

Жыл бұрын

@@JimDaneker Thanks for these videos. My OBX8 arrives tomorrow!!

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

@@muco007WOOHOO!! Have a blast with it!

@NauticVagrant

Жыл бұрын

When you really learn the Rev2 inside and out, you'll be astonished over and over at how good it can sound. I even have an OB-6, but the Rev2 is and always will be my workhorse synth. Incredibly lush and endless modulation power, it can do FAR more than the prophet 5 or OBX8 with its 4 lfos, 3 envelopes, and 4 track step sequencers. If I could only own one synthesizer in the world, it would be the Rev2.

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

@@NauticVagrant agreed - too many people vastly underestimate the Rev2!

ears-opening comparison, priceless content. thank you!

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@frankpiccinini1652

Жыл бұрын

@@JimDaneker a few questions... What do you think about running the Prophet 5-10 through a good stereo chorus pedal to widen the sonic spectrum? Would you say the5/10's second detunable oscillator could give warbly tuning effects similar to the OB, with no polyphony sacrifice? Lastly...hearing other demos, it seems like the sonic capabilities of the 5/10 are deeper and more complex. With manipulation of the filters, the chords could go from soft/dull, to maintaining the fundamentals, while including harmonics in the stratosphere. Would you feel that in the demo, with a bit of regulation and a stereo signal, the 5 would have been up there with the ob in terms of complexity and lushness? I had the feeling the video was more to (rightfully) show the possibilities of the Rev2 than in really showing what the 5/10 can do. It also seems like the 5-10 gives sonic capabilities and flexibility combined with ease of use. Cheers! Frank

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

@@frankpiccinini1652 hey Frank, yeah, this video ended up being more about how the Rev2 stacks up to the "legends." The P5 is still the king of big, fat, analog brute force, power, and unmistakable lush warmth. Well, along with the Oberheim, but that one has a bit more of a brassy tone, for lack of a better word. If I had to choose just one, it would be the P5, no question. I do often run it through a chorus; it can get into Juno/Jupiter territory especially if you use the right Roland chorus. But by far my favorite stereo widening approach is to simply double track it, like you hear in the comparisons at the end of the video. Cheers!

Bought my REV2 a year ago when it became obvious that the Behringer UB-Xa wouldn't be available as soon as expected. I'm glad I did because it's all I could afford, and it sounds great!! Will still be purchasing the UB-Xa when it becomes available as it will be in my budget, and I think it will pair up with the REV2 very well. Plus, the UB-Xa will have 16 voices and poly aftertouch!

mono output sounds magical.

thanks so much for the vid and i really like your little "uuhhh thats nice" comments. You really love what you are doing.

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it!

I love the adjectives you useful the Oberheim..."gooey"..."creamy"...no other words even come close!

@johnheyer5424

Жыл бұрын

I know it's not close to an OB-X8...but this is making me want to get an editor for my Matrix-1000...Thanks Jim, great video!

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

@@johnheyer5424 It may not be that far off from the Matrix 1000… I have a Matrix 6 showing up and will do a little A/B. Those are fantastic synths!

Nice job Jim, The Rev 2 in indeed ia really nice synth. The OBx8 does sound a bit more full and I dunno.. just wonderful! I'm glad I do have the Rev2 though.. you can coax some really nice stuff out of it, and it seems only now do people find out what a cool synth it really is.

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

Yep! I admit I kind of slept on it for a few years… But lately I’ve been falling in love with it! It can totally hang with the big boys!

great video comparison - This video gives me new respect for the Rev2 but I'm in love with the OB-X8

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

Rightly so! Both are fantastic for different things. But man, that OB-X8 is just in a league of its own!

Amazing !!! Thanks for the Vid ! Gladly I have an Prophet 5 in my Studio ... OB-X8 coming soon 😀

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

Awesome - you will love it!

Wow…..u make me wish I never gave up my Rev2!! I’m realizing I never pushed its limits and gave it an honest chance. Seeing the sounds you have got out of it and having 16 f$@king voices is just insane! Thank you for the great video!

@JimDaneker

6 ай бұрын

You are so welcome. I was in the same boat… Mine just sat there for a good three or four years until I finally gave it a real chance!

@entropybentwhistle

4 ай бұрын

@@JimDanekerBoth the Prophet 5 (or 10) and the OB-X8 are pretty much modern recreations of old school holy grail synths, but it seems like the Rev 2 is gaining a legendary status from the throngs of people who have purchased one. In 20-30 years I’m thinking all 3 of these will be considered must haves for any deep (and deep pockets) synth studio.

Wow! I'm shocked at how great the Rev2 sounds in this shoot-out! It goes to show the whole DCO vs VCO thing isn't everything it's made up to be. This, in combination with your video on double-tracking vs chorus, shows how powerful the Rev2's extra voices become when you use it binaurally. Most choruses will cancel out a lot of the high end, and the Rev2 retains that gorgeous "air."

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

EXACTLY my brutha!

@SPAZZOID100

Жыл бұрын

Keep in mind that he was comparing a DCO synth to Modern VCO synths (not vintage VCO synths).. Modern VCO's are as stable as DCO's, and this is why the vintage knob is there.

I have to confess… the midrange absolutely makes the Prophet 5 for me. That unmistakable aggression it dishes out on Pink Floyd The Wall. I desperately want to love the Rev 2…. Especially because of the price. But that midrange of the P5 really gives it that unmistakable growl… that is regrettably absent in the Rev 2. Man, the Prophet 5 is a BEAST!!

@JimDaneker

8 ай бұрын

The 5 really does have that in spades 😁

Even if you don‘t layer the Rev 2 and OB-X8 there is the pan spread/voice panning for stereo sound. Besides this, your description of each synth seems perfect to me.

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, the problem with the pan spread mode is you have voices bouncing around the stereo field, which I would never use in a mix because it’s distracting - and it thins everything out as well. Never got any real world use out of that mode. I suppose it could work in certain situations though especially with the OB-X8’s improved implementation!

It is the sound that makes me buy a synth, nothing else.

Great video, very useful. Thank you!

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

You're so welcome ;-)

I’m getting closer and closer to buying the Rev2

As soon as they make a desktop for the obx-8, I’m getting it. It will be on a board with a p12 desktop, and a prophet 10 desktop with 2 H9max. I just hope it doesn’t take too long to build a desktop for it.

I purchased a Prophet 08 when they were first released. Upon hearing it, it struck me. The Prophet 08 was more like an Oberheim than a Prophet. The REV2 brought some great updates. Its a hell of a deal. I use mine midi'd up to my Prophet T8. Definitely worth picking one up if you do not have one!

Very nice, you've done an excellent job showing that though these 3 can all get in the ballpark, slight differences in them can make enough of a difference whether buy voice count, stereo vs mono, envelope response, oscillators and filters.. I have a similar setup, though I have P08 instead of a Rev 2 and a P10 vs a P5.. but love each.

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words!

Thnx! Love my REV2, though I need to explorer it much more! :)

I am going to get a rev2 this friday, It’s an amazing synth and does sound awesome, chose it over the p5 because of how versatile and capable it is. Thanks for this awesome video showing how great the rev2 sounds

@JimDaneker

2 ай бұрын

You are so welcome. It's a great synth - enjoy it!

This is one of the best comparisons of these synths. I don’t care about the tone measurements of each oscillator’s sine wave. That info is useless afaic. How do they sound as a musical instrument real. To me the OBx8 and the Rev2 are huge, lush and expansive. Beautiful sounding synths

@JimDaneker

10 ай бұрын

Yes! Thank you!

Great comparison Jim 👍

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Craig!

This was so gooooooooood !

@JimDaneker

5 ай бұрын

So glad you enjoyed it!

love the 3 of em.

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

Yep, they’re all synth studs 😁

Thanks Jim. This video inspired me to join your channel.

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

Very kind, thank you!

All I have to say about the Oberheim sound, and the OBX8 is....If you know, you know.

I’ve been dying for someone to compare the Prophet 5 to the new Oberheim. Thank you! I already have a Rev2 and I’m still debating whether to get the 5 or the X8. Also quick question, what’s the device you’re using for those amazing panning shots? Thanks!

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Matt! Hope it was somewhat helpful. The Rev2 is shockingly good and I think this shows that if nothing else. As for the panning shots, I assume you mean the motion stuff? That's done with a motorized camera slider ;-)

Great comparison, thanks for your hard work! Can I ask, have you tried per-voice modeling on the Rev2? I've hard it make DCOs sound literally like VCOs, as every voice drifts differently. It would be very interesting to hear the comparison that way... it's actually one of the reasons I'm planning on springing for the 16 voice.

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

I haven't had time yet but I need to. I’m already so impressed with that synth!

Great comparison! Haven't received the OB-X8 yet, but I use a footpedal to sweep both filters at the same time when in double mode on my Oberheim OB-series synths.

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

Hmmm… great idea! I’ll have to see if that works!

Superbe video , curious Jim to know ignorance you tested the take 5 , it seems smooth with a more capable fx section , and a superb filter ...

@JimDaneker

Ай бұрын

I haven't checked out the Take 5 yet.

Great comparison! Is there a chance to get a dump of your rev2-patch? Really love it!

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! I’m out of town for a bit but I'll try to remember to ;-)

I also have both the OB-X8 and a Prophet 10 and think that they compliment one another pretty well.

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

They sure do!

the 5 reminds me a bit of my Juno-6...and seriously i could listen to these chords and pads all day (first set especially)

very nice and musical A/B/C play, this is very useful to have a real idea of the feeling/sounds. I ve p5rev4 , rev 2 16, and moog one 16 too. Now very intrigued by the obx8. Must say that i love too A LOT the rev2 is an AMAZING warm synth especially if programmed with the vcm technique. Is the synth i use when i can just only grab one, maybe one of the best poly ever designed.

The rev 2 sounds exactly like the Jupiter X which I just bought.. Has that brassy big sound. I have the prophet 6 but I need a warmer sounding synth for lofi so I’m torn between the P5 and X8..

@elmundozazou9522

7 ай бұрын

Check Behringer's UB-Xa. imo it's the perfect high-end, yet affordable P6 companion.

5:25 is just glorious. Coming back to this video there’s just something about the OB

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

Yep. I was trying to get everything else in my studio (and plugins) to match it - nothing can.

@jfracine_composition

Жыл бұрын

​@@JimDaneker Keep coming back for those OB-X8 pads as well. About to add to cart.

@professortrog7742

Жыл бұрын

@@jfracine_composition thats a lot of robux for a synth, but oh man what sound…

hey do u know where i can get that rev2 patch ;) absolutely massive sounding imo

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

I created it on the fly by comparing with the other two. It's a massive sounding synth by nature, especially in double mode!

Very useful video. Thanks friend.

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Thanks Jim for your time to create this amazing video! So pity Sequential released the Prophet 5/10 with only Mono output because I really like its tone in double tracked, its sounds awesome! . Having no more Analog synth, which one to start with according to you ? :)

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the kind words! Honestly I think if I could just have one, it would be the Rev 2! As you can hear in this video, it easily holds up against the other two, and gives you vastly more synth for the money, with none of the limitations!

@sound4label

Жыл бұрын

@@JimDaneker Thanks Jim for your time answering me and for sharing your passion, they all have their tone, the best will be to get all of them and not getting married (to save money hahaha).

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

@@sound4label ha!!!

really interesting vid thanks for doing this...man I really really really hope Oberheim has secretly included the ability to expand the voice count min the OB-X8 and will "unveil" this feature in a few months once initial orders have been filled....please please pease!!!

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

Indeed!!!

Masterclass

Awesome comparison! P10 is definitely it's own thing in Mono, but I was really impressed by how well the Rev2 held up to the OBX8 for the big stereo pads and brass. The only area I found Rev2 was weaker was in the detune. It never quite got to the sweet spot where the oscs are exactly in the goldilocks zone of detune, where they aren't phasing but also not seasick sounding. Otherwise filter, spread etc, was all similar to the OBX8! Can't wait to get my OBX8.

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words, and yes indeed, the OB is definitely in that “Goldilocks zone” 😁

@the25thhr41

Жыл бұрын

i program some voice component modeling on the sequencer of my rev 2 and it gets the detune beatuiful especially with double layering and panning it sounds like some vintage vco's and with the 2 filter modes it gives a lot of diffrent tones

Hey Jim, love your videos! Which synth would you recommend as a first hardware poly for use as a studio synth for a film composer? I love vintage style tones and my fav synth scores include Blade Runner, Tron Legacy, Stranger Things and more recently Silo. I’m ok spending money on quality as I plan to have it for a long time, Also to note, I already own the Moog Matriarch as my flagship mono

@JimDaneker

Ай бұрын

Thanks for the kind words Josh! Man, tough call. If you already have the Moog, then a Prophet 5, Oberheim OB-X8, or the new Arturia PolyBrute 12 would be ideal complements to that. Or if you like those classic Roland flavors, the System 8 is absolutely insane - their best modeling tech, and gives you a Jupiter 8, Juno 106, and a 3rd slot for whatever other expansion you might want (Juno 60 or Jupiter 4 are my favorites).

I have the X8 and the prophet 10 but I can't stop wanting a Rev 2

@JimDaneker

Ай бұрын

It's a fantastic synth!

@reymhd7655

Ай бұрын

just got a 16 voice one, i say they’re still as relevant as ever in 2024

I run my OB-X8 through a stereo-chorus, which gives it that extra lush pad sound, without having to switch it to ‘double’ mode, and lose four of the voices. With that said, I also program the majority of my REV2 (16-voice) patches in binaural double mode, to capture that classic Prophet sound, with a much wider stereo field. The REV2 is highly underrated, IMHO, and is one of Dave Smith’s greatest masterpieces.

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely Chris. What’s your favorite stereo chorus to use on the X8? I have several I like to choose from depending on context - probably my favorite is the Roland Zenology plugin, because you get all their vintage analog chorus emulations which are fantastic and don’t destroy the high end like a lot of chorus FX…

@PacificIslandDrive

Жыл бұрын

@@JimDaneker I have a few various hardware and software chorus’s, however, my all-time fav chorus is the original Roland Juno 60 chorus. Last year I got TC Electronic’s ‘June 60 ver 2’, however, like the original, it’s only mono in (works great with my Moog Sub 37). However, before my OB-X8 arrived, I recently got the TC Electronic’s ‘Plethora X3’, which can be programed to emulate the Juno 60 chorus, and many others, but with full stereo in’s & out’s. Thus far, i’ve found it a fantastic parring with the OB-X8, because it is easy to program, and can utilize up to three effects at once. However, I’m still experimenting with some of my others, and have yet to run it through my Klark Teknik analogue emulation of the BBD-320.

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

@@PacificIslandDrive thanks. Keep me posted on what you find!

@petrus3502

Жыл бұрын

Chris Borders: "The REV2 is highly underrated, IMHO, and is one of Dave Smith’s greatest masterpieces." - I totally agree

I sent my Prophet 10 rev4 back when I ordered one - I could not see any advantage to my 16 Voice Rev 2 full of great sounds! It is also sounding great, no question, but in the end of the day it's a big nostalgic empty wood chassis compared to what you can do with the Rev 2 music wise. Same thing with my 20 Year old Moog Voyager - I ordered the 2017 Minimoog reissue back then and also did not keep the reissue - I'm not owning these instruments for side by side open filter comparisons - they are in my studio to write and perform music with them. And either the Voyager and the Rev 2 are better companions for me than the old Originals, as much as I love them too. The Moog Voyager for me is the best analog mono Synth ever build - it's a logic progression of the old Minimoog and the same counts for the Prophet Rev2 compared to the P5 or P10 to me.

@JeffreySaxophoneTallNewton

Жыл бұрын

I have 2 weeks left to decide whether to keep my P10 module. I did a-b it in the store with the Rev 2 and liked the P10 (5 in the store, actually...) better sonically, plus "they" say the Rev 2 is harder to "dial in" on sounds, and I'm a rookie and the P10 is simpler. Can you elaborate more on why you like Rev 2 > P5 (or 10)? Thanks....

@frankbossert1002

Жыл бұрын

@@JeffreySaxophoneTallNewton sounds like you should keep the P10 Module - if you like the sound better that should be reason enough. I just came to the point where I figured out that I'm not into vintage or vintage replica stuff anymore - the modern successors of these can do more for me in the context of my work.

thank you. You helped me picking my dream's synth (Rev 2). i ll only need not to eat for 3 months instead of 6 too :D

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

Ha! Well you'll love it - it will be worth the sacrifice 😁

I love a strymon deco to make a mono signal split, and you can control the delay between channels. It gives you huge sounds on guitar too

Great comparison. On my macbook speakers the Prophet 5 sounds consistently the best to me. It's also the loudest so that could help. A P10 can run in poly unison - that would have been nice to compare. Really surprised with the REV 2 though! It definitely gives the OB-X8 a run for it's money, especially considering the note limitation in layer mode.

I’m pretty sure if you close the filters completely, the three will sound literally exactly the same ☺️ thanks Jim!

Great video, glad I have a Rev 2! Differences are not worth all the extra cost of the OB-X8 or P5 imo but I still want all 3 synths 😀

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

Well, there definitely are significant differences, but I wanted to show that for certain types of sounds, they can be extremely similar. And whatever the case, the Rev2 is an absolute beast- and it does things its big brothers can only dream of! So, you picked a winner!

@JeffreySaxophoneTallNewton

Жыл бұрын

@@JimDaneker I a-b'd both in a store and deemed the P5 more organic sounding thus superior. Why why not put the added toys on the more expensive unit?

@kierenmoore3236

10 ай бұрын

@@JeffreySaxophoneTallNewton Because people like you will pay more for that sound, with less features … That’s why! 😊

@JeffreySaxophoneTallNewton

10 ай бұрын

I returned the Prophet 10 module and got the DarthVaderinger.... for 1/10 the cost.@@kierenmoore3236

fuck, the rumbling bass in my room right now is so glorious.....

Would LOVE some sort of patch tutorial for the rev2. This sounds incredible

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

Do a search for "Prophet Rev 2 binaural" and you'll find some goodies!

This was great, Jim. Thank you for putting this together. The Rev 2 is no joke. It also has the benefits of deeper programmability due to its extra LFOs, envelopes, step sequencer and built in fx. Its DCO design prevents it from drifting unless we want it to. I can’t recommend Creative Spiral’s free Rev 2 templates highly enough. His use of the step sequencer as a look up table for per note voice offsets is ingenious and much more authentic than just using the Slop parameter. Perhaps Oberheim will release a module version in the future as Sequential has done in the past. Using poly chaining, you could have 8 voice polyphony even with layers. It would be expensive but doable. Have you thought about expanding your P5 to 10 voices?

@dankeplace

Жыл бұрын

Rev 2 is a workhorse, but the OBX8 is more a players synth. Both are good in their own rights, both would complement each other imo.

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Peter! I haven’t considered adding the voice expansion to my Prophet 5 because it would still be a mono synth. I have seriously pondered getting the desktop though, which would give me a true stereo Prophet 5! I do think that was a missed opportunity with the Prophet 10… it should have had a stereo architecture like the original version!

@peterkadarmusic9728

Жыл бұрын

@@JimDaneker The module would be a strong choice for exactly that reason. An additional benefit of expanding it to 10 voices is that it enables split/layer functionality iirc. That said, it would still be a monoaural instrument so unless you need larger voicings, the stereo benefit of the module may outweigh the split/layer capability. One nice thing about the X8 and Rev 2 is that they have screens which helps manage those splits and layers in a clear way compared to the screenless Prophet 5.

@peterkadarmusic9728

Жыл бұрын

@@JimDaneker The original P10 was a single manual version which due to overheating was redesigned to the more commonly known two manual version that Tony Banks made famous. The new P10 is based on that single manual design. I wonder if that also had stereo outputs like the two manual version. Either way, I agree with you; it's a missed opportunity. Sometimes these remakes follow the original designs too closely and leave off valuable additions that contemporary users have come to expect.

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

@@peterkadarmusic9728 yes, but the dual manual P10 had independent outputs for the upper and lower boards, so it was the only "true stereo" Prophet. I was SO bummed that they didn't take that opportunity with the new P10!

Ok that P5 double tracked made a huge difference! Wow.

@JimDaneker

5 ай бұрын

Yes indeed! That works with any analog synth 😁👊🏻

I disagree when in Part 1 you said the P5 was a letdown because of the mono compared to the other two stereo synths…when you finally went back to it, it was a breath of fresh air. It’s more direct, focused, and thicker. Sometimes less is more.

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

For sure - it is definitely a “big deal” even when mono. I’m just a sucker for big, wide, lush synth sounds. Most everything else in a mix is typically mono, so I tend to lean on synths for ear candy that nothing else can do. 😁

@jaykeel7309

Жыл бұрын

It’s great to have mono on the OB as well as stereo. Having that choice is the key.

@studentsmusic

Жыл бұрын

same here...got the p10and its sitting in the mix like no other synth except model d. For ambient or bright "I am the pad" obx8 might be good but on stage and in the studio I mostly prefer the pure p10 signal and character. by the way use gfi specular tempus and p10 goes bright stereo....

I‘m going for the Prophet 5. Deep and powerful. But you need an external effect to go stereo. I sell my Rev2.

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

You don’t need an external effect to make the Prophet 5 stereo… it sounds better when you double track it. See this video for an example! kzread.info/dash/bejne/jGigxLWohau4nMo.html

@rumo201

Жыл бұрын

@strangerhythm Yes, I agree! I’m also a new owner of the Prophet 5 and very happy with the synth. As an effect I use a Eventide H9 Max. Very cool

You are da man!

9:26 the rev2 and OB seem to be on par with each other in the high-ends, but the OB seems to have a more prominent lower end rumble than the Rev2. Could be a difference in the sub OSC SETTING ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. But is that OB low end worth $3000 extra dollars???

I have a REV2 and P10 - they are both incredible instruments. I personally prefer the prophet 5 tone in isolation, and the more “simple” workflow (I’m not a great programmer haha) as a result I enjoy programming it and using it more. I think the REV2 can sound sterile/brittle at times, but some more advanced programming helps avoid that territory. I love them both - never realized how similar the REV2 could sound to the OB, although there were hints (2pole filter and the misc-phaser fx). Fantastic video and epic setup!

oberheim is so warm

pro 5 with external stereo processing

this is a rare video that makes these three synthesizers sound great

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

That would be a shame, because it’s not hard to make them sound great!

I love the Moog One the most out of all the flagship new analog polys but the OBX8 is the second.

Interestingly this video convinced me to cancel my OB-X8 back order and buy the in stock Rev2 16. I will pickup the OB-X8 next year after they iron out the few reported issues. (Especially since I have a Prophet 10 already)

The rev2 sounds exactly like the oberheim. Never is the oberheim worth twice as much! Thank you jim, you really hit the nail on the head with your comparison, you pay over $2.5k more just for the name... Apart from that: if you can play ambidextrous, never buy a synth with less than 10 voices

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

It does sound really close in that one specific example, but it never gets the same swirly, natural chorus texture of the OB… and it’s *really* important to keep in mind that I never even touched on the vastly different filters in the OB that set it apart. You’ll never get those out of the Rev 2. So, there’s a lot more to the story - I’ll have to do another video that delves into that! Having said all that, the Rev 2 is definitely a stunning synth, and easily the best bang for the buck in the analog world right now! 😁

@drk1825

Жыл бұрын

@@JimDaneker Thanks alot! Have you ever tried the UDO Super 6?

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

@@drk1825 not yet but the demos I’ve heard sound fantastic. Same idea as the Rev 2 in “binaural” mode, but it seems to have more of the Jupiter/Juno vibe ;-)

@drk1825

Жыл бұрын

I‘ve ordered today the rev2 16

is the key-action on prophet 5 different than the one on rev.2? and how these are compared to the one on the ob-x8?

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

They all use the same Fatar keybed, but the two Prophets feel slightly different (VERY slightly) just because of their chassis builds. They are essentially indistinguishable. However, the OB-X8 feels significantly nicer in that it’s more dampened when the keys bottom out; it just feels overall a bit more buttery, smooth, and luxurious- like it uses better springs. All of them are top notch, but it feels like there were some tweaks to the OB-X8 that make it even better!

@walidantar4504

Жыл бұрын

@@JimDaneker thanks you, i really appreciate your response, i'd like to try anyone of such synths but non are available at where i resident in .. you're so lucky .. thanks you for sharing such experiences, hopefully some day i have a chance to try the ob--x8 i liked how i sounds a lot

Great comparison video, thanks for that! Already watched it like 5 times. Question: especially in your last comparison at the end of the video, the X8 sounds quite different from the rev2. It sounds like the X8 had more detuning or a chorus on it (as you already mentioned). Do you think that you can get the rev2 sound more like the last X8 sound (complete end of video) or is that not possible without adding a chorus?

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

No, that's where the X8 sets itself apart. I got them as close as possible initially, but that gorgeous "swirling" effect is just so effortless on the X8 even without any chorus.

@SebasAdamo

Жыл бұрын

@@JimDaneker thanks for letting me know and for the video. Lovely synths!

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

@@SebasAdamo sure thing. The Rev 2/16 does have many advantages though - even against the mighty X8 and Prophet 5!

@SebasAdamo

Жыл бұрын

​@@JimDaneker Hi Jim, Maybe interesting info in case you did not know this yet: I just found out that a guy called Creative Spiral did research on what exactly gives that analog sound on many vintage synths, and what makes the VCO sound different from DCO. Based on his studies, he created VCM, which he implemented on the Prophet rev2. His rev2 settings can give huge differences and can give that OB Xa/X8 feeling a lot more. On KZread, he compares the sound with and without his technique (on/off).

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

@@SebasAdamo yep, I’m familiar - he does great work!

Love love your pad patches for part 1. Any chance you could share, even for purchase? Your OB-X8 sound is exactly what I need! Thanks so much for your video.

@JimDaneker

19 күн бұрын

Thanks for the kind words! Give me a time stamp and I'll see if i can find it..

@avr01

19 күн бұрын

@@JimDaneker For X8 5:22, Rev2 6:11. Thanks Jim! Love your style.

@JimDaneker

19 күн бұрын

@@avr01 I’m not in front of it at the moment but if I recall, on the OB it's just the old "lo strings" patch in dual mode, with each layer slightly detuned. Unfortunately I was just improvising so I didn't save these patches, but that one is extremely easy to create on any OB! And sadly as much as I liked the Rev2, I ended up selling it when I needed funds to start up Arcade Orchestra... it was hard to justify keeping alongside the Prophet 5 and OB-X8 😁

@avr01

18 күн бұрын

@@JimDaneker Totally understand. Good luck on your new adventure!

@JimDaneker

18 күн бұрын

@@avr01 thanks so much!

Great video. 3 different and beautifull synths compared in a really good way. This show the different characters and capabillities.Had a Rev 2 and regret selling it. P5 is an amazing sounding synth but the lack of stereo kept me from buying it. I can not afford an OBx 8 but looking for a second hand OB6.

@passivehouseaustralia4406

Жыл бұрын

Look at the stats of REV2 (the Fx are bland) but everything else is a powerhouse!!

I really want the X8 because the sound is amazing. I can’t deal with being limited to 4 voices when layering. This would be the perfect synth if it were 12 voices/6 layered.

@JimDaneker

10 ай бұрын

Then you REALLY need to check out the 3rd Wave by Groove Synthesis. It's like having a Prophet 5, OB-X8, D-50, and PPG all in one box. It's shockingly good. See kzread.info/dash/bejne/iHad29J8oLrNYNI.html

@Mercy_Pants

10 ай бұрын

@@JimDaneker Thanks for the reply and reference! Well now I’m torn between the 3rd Wave and Quantum MkII. They seem to be very similar in many regards and both sound incredible!

@JimDaneker

10 ай бұрын

@@Mercy_Pants yep, I also faced the same choice and I'm glad I went with the 3rd Wave. The Quantum is an amazing synth, but I have so many plugins that can do what it does; the 3rd Wave on the other hand has no plug-in equivalent. It's so textural, I absolutely love it.

@helisoma

10 ай бұрын

you mean like a Super JX? 😁😄 Jim your video of the JX-10 with the MPG-70 with the exact same chords i think beats both the Obi and Prophet just imho...full analog with 12 voices and 24 oscillators...in stereo (two stereo outs per layer) and can add chorus...but maybe it's different in person @7:07 but gosh the Obi and Rev 2 sound beautiful

@helisoma

10 ай бұрын

also just to say it would be nice if the synths volume was as loud or a bit louder than your voice ...they are at times a bit quiet and in the background compared to your voice 😌

Could you do it with the prophet 10 with layer mode

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

No, because it's still limited to a mono output. You need 2 independent outputs - a missed opportunity on the P10, in my opinion.

OBX8 has depth to it that the Rev 2 cannot simply match. X8 is pushing more air at lower end, 5:40 Listening with HD6XX cans, while it may not be worlds apart, there is a clear reason why the X8 costs what it does. Diminishing returns when you pay more, but that is what getting that extra costs now. Now you mention oscillators, only 2 per note where the P12 has 4 per note. The thing is people have posted how thin and cold the P12 can sound, that's because people use to many oscillators and start to destroy the sound, it's how you use the oscillators, how you mix them in, rather than getting them to work against each other. I love my Rev 2, I only have 8 voices but get a ton of flexibility out of them in 2 layer. 11:00 has that trumpet blurt that Terminator used so well, love that sound. Rev 2 does stack very well, but in saying that, the X8 I have heard do the love theme from Flash Gordon and I was blown away. All 3 synths have a place in a studio, how much overlap would be regarding what type of patches you're intending to play. Traditionally I would go a Rev 2 due to the amount of sequencing I do, I am not a keys player but more a live set noodler. I have 5-6 sometimes 10 synths running at once so a P5 or X8 would go to waste in my setup. And you said it about that question, *why 5K?* It's all about the sound. In 79 OBX was 5995, today that would equal 24K. Being able to get this in 3 variations on the X8 seems pretty fair and reasonable, even if it does cost what a 2nd hand car does. Quality does come at a price, even with local manufacturing involved. Thank for the upload, enjoyed it thoroughly.

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

Great points… Thank you for the comments!

Somewhere between 12:33 - 13:15, I scrolled down the comments whilst hearing the sounds. I was barely able to tell which was which between Rev.2 and OB-X8. Also this vid has made me reconsider upgrading to what over my Prophet '08.

3:56 "The best part of wakin' up ...is Foldger's INNN your CUP!"

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

Are there any videos on how to create that first pad? 😊This video is genuinely haunting me 😂 I’ve spent ALL day trying to get either my Yamaha Modx, or Yamaha Fantom O to sound like that first beefy pad on the Prophet 5. That pad on the P5 was perfection. Obviously… I was unable to get anywhere close on my workstations 😂 I’m considering buying a Behringer PRO 600, to see if I can get close to the Prophet 5 sound. Or I might just have to bite the bullet, and save up over the next 12 months for a real, brand new Prophet 5. I can’t get that pad out of my head! What a spectacular instrument.

@JimDaneker

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, unfortunately, you're never going to get that out of any workstation style digital synth - that's the signature sound of a Prophet. The Prophet 6 will do it too, and to some degree, the Rev2. There are also two software versions that are stunning: Repro5 by U-He, and the new one by Softube - I forget the name of that one, but both easily stand in for the hardware. In fact, they run circles around the hardware in several ways: you can use multiple instances of them, they have significantly more polyphony, etc.

@adamjacksonmedia

8 ай бұрын

@JimDaneker May I ask... was that first pad a Saw Pad with slow attack? Thank you so much by the way... The VST is an alternative worth looking. Perhaps I might look at the Pro 800 P6 clone by Behringer as well.

@JimDaneker

8 ай бұрын

@@adamjacksonmedia I don't remember specifics off hand, but most likely yes - primarily saw waves. As for the Behringer, I would go with either of those software options long before the Behringer - they sound essentially identical to the hardware, and the Behringer is several steps down ;-)

@adamjacksonmedia

8 ай бұрын

@JimDaneker OK, I will take your advice and look at the software option. Thank you for you advice. Incidently, I've actually posted my attempt at achieving your Prophet 5 sound, on my Fantom O. If you get a spare second to look at it, you can hear if I'm getting closer. If you have any advice on the sound, I'd love to hear it. Otherwise, even if you get a chance to at least take a listen, I'd be appreciative it none-the-less the less. Here is my attempt at your Prophet 5 pad 🙂 kzread.info/dash/bejne/lYSLk8V9lLewoLQ.htmlsi=fd1QGBb28jV3NXGB

Great video Jim! Does-it mean the OB-X8 sounds maybe more "modern" whereas prophets are more "vintage"?

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

No, I wouldn’t say that… both Prophets and OB’s have their iconic places in music history, so they can both sound plenty “vintage” if you are going for those sounds! 😁

My $.02 worth - be honest with yourself about how you do pads or other long attack/release patches. Many (understandably) add a fair bit of effects next in the signal. IMHO this lessens gap in the OB-X8 strength; just how much each must decide. For bass, percussion, piano/keys, organ, and even strings patches to me P10 (always get it now given added split/stack capability) is the "better" choice. Given available space and funds maybe add the OB for pads, brass, and woodwind patches? Though sacrilege to some if UB-XA ever actually ships it with a P10 desktop may well cover the "old school analog" territory plus poly AT out of both synths from that keybed for the same price as just the OB...

The Rev2 is awesome. I've found that I often overcomplicate making patches because it's so diversely capable! At least as the old standard basic sounds are concerned.

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

It really is a spectacular synth, and a lot of folks mistakenly assume it’s not up to Prophet standards!

Wow the best explanation so far. Thanks for the video

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

Sure thing - thanks for watching!

I would've gotten the 16v of the REV2 but the 8 voice has the right touch for me.

I sometimes forget how cool of a synth the REV 2 is. I should spend some more time with it again and make some cool sounds for it. It's such a flexible and well-rounded synth :) It's hard to get distracted by all the new stuff, such as the P6 and UB-Xa I recently acquired though :) I have to say that the UB-Xa does sound awesome as well, I wish it had a simple way to double a preset and pan the instances hard left and right. Maybe an update will provide that functionality, as it'd be awesome.

The double mode requiring you to change one layer at a time is how the OB-Xa and OB8 work, so I imagine they are keeping it faithful to the way those original units work.

@sound4label

Жыл бұрын

Boring, I agree with Jim on that :)

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

Yep, they definitely stuck to original ways of working. Thankfully they are considering adding the more modern option which would be way more convenient!

The last minutes are the most important. A double tracking with the P5/10 is just amazing and easily leaves the REV2 in the dust. You don't even have to change anything in the patch, it will just work with a little vintage dialed in. The REV2 lacks a tad of everything here. The OB-X8 stands up very well with the P5/10, having a less beefy but more high-end character to it. My workflow with Rev2 and P10 has mostly been: Make drafts with the Rev2, then record the P10 in the end. No idea if and how this is gonna change now with the OB X8 - it's just arrived and I still have no workflow with it :)

I was hoping you would do the comparison between the Prophet 5 and the OB-X8 and here it is and you threw the Rev 2 in for good measure. Highly recommend adding the upgrade card for the Prophet 5 to make it a Prophet 10. Adding a Dimension C to the Prophet can give it a pseudo stereo spread without sounding like a chorus with button 1 depressed. I agree with you the Rev 2 is a great synth just has a bit more scooped mid range to the sound. Tom Brislin's makes great use out of it in his live rig with Kansas.

Have you tried the UB-Xa yet? A 16-voice ‘Oberheim’ with Poly-AT would be very tempting, if it sounded the goods … 🤔🤷🏻‍♂️

@JimDaneker

5 ай бұрын

I haven't, because I have the OB-X8. I've listened to a bunch of demos and comparisons from friends of mine though, and while it's a compelling package, I would rather just go the software route for Oberheim sounds if I didn't have the real thing. OB-Xd blows me away every time, and I can get it to sound pretty much identical to the hardware - and it's FREE! One of the best analog emulations out there!

@JohnnyADi

4 ай бұрын

@@JimDanekerWhat about OB-E? Can it replicate the OB-x8 1 to 1? I have it myself but cant tell if it sounds like a VST or sounds closer to actually being something "better than typical digital quality"

@JimDaneker

4 ай бұрын

@@JohnnyADi it can get totally there and sounds completely analog. The only thing it's missing is the the OB-X8's Osc2 XMod implementation on certain patches, but it makes up for that in several ways. OB-E is endorsed by Tom Oberheim himself!

My question, is how close or far apart are virtual instruments like the Arturia versions of these?

@JimDaneker

27 күн бұрын

A few are spot on, sonically. GForce OB-X AND OB-E have Tom Oberheim's endorsement and are stunning. Even the free OB-Xd by DiscoDSP is shockingly good. Repro5 is sonically right up there with the Prophet 5, and runs circles around it in many ways. The justification for the hardware versions, for me, purely comes down to the total experience and the inspiration factor. 👍🏻

I personally love the tone of the obx8 or p5 with just 2-4 voices. Overtime I find myself preferring that super low count polyphony sound more and more and I feel like those two just do such a great job of that. I had a moog one 16 for awhile and found myself almost never using 16 voices. Rev 2 has great capability and great value. But the personalities of the obx8 and the P5 really stand out to me personally. Great video and demonstration !

@JimDaneker

4 ай бұрын

Great points, and thanks for the kind words!

@JohnnyADi

4 ай бұрын

They should have a higher polyphony model like the prophet 10 to the prophet 5, OB x8 to the OB x16, just like the moog one 8 to one 16. If the OB had 16 voices id buy one right now. I like the OB filter options and what not more, the prophet 10 sounds brighter and more full in a natural way unlike the brighter and more hollow lack of mid range VST sounding OB-6 for example. The OB-x8 is also a lot more capable even if theres menu diving, at least you have the ability for more options and it can even be updated. I think the prophet 10 already has everything I would want on it though. Picking between a 16 voice OB-x8 and a super gemini is a lot more convincing. I would want a prophet 10 but I cant get that bigger sound that the OB has. The prophet accels at mono and single voiced tones to me than the OB-x8. Unfortunately that 24 db filter the OB-x8 has a problem the original didnt have of that volume and potential glassier nature that VSTs have. Its why I want the real thing, it doesnt sound glassy, it sounds more full and its brighter and more lively. They need to fix that filter in an update.

@JimDaneker

4 ай бұрын

@@JohnnyADi huh? There's nothing wrong with the (multiple) filters on the OB-X8... they're the same as the vintage versions found in the original OB series (X, Xa, 8) plus the extra SEM filters. It's a monster! But yes, I do wish it could be expanded to 16 voices 😁

Hmm, given what you have shown here, what would be the main reason to keep the p5? Is there territory it can go in the x8 and rev2 fall apart on?

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

It definitely has a bit more of that brash, powerful midrange thing that I can’t quite coax out of the other two. It really has a different tonal character. Oddly enough, I think the Rev 2 and OB-X8 can sound almost identical until you get into those distinct Oberheim filters I didn’t touch on in this video… but the Prophet 5 really sounds different and unique. I need to delve further into their differences in another video!

@MrCowfood

Жыл бұрын

@@JimDaneker ya man, I would definitely be into watching/listening to a deeper dive with these 3 powerhouses!

@JimDaneker

Жыл бұрын

@@MrCowfood it will probably be a while as I have a crazy few weeks ahead, but I will get to it at some point!