Nubia Z60 Ultra - My Longer Term Thoughts!

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After a month with the Nubia Z60 Ultra and the subsequent release of the OnePlus 12 and the Samsung S24 Ultra,,, does the Nubia still have a place?
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  • @frankkratos
    @frankkratos4 ай бұрын

    I dont use wireless charge, i use multimedia every day, dont use selfies camera....yes, nubia is my perfect phone 😊

  • @AverageDadOfficial

    @AverageDadOfficial

    4 ай бұрын

    Glad it works for you use mate!

  • @controller20102010

    @controller20102010

    Ай бұрын

    Almost same with me but selfie camera. I didn't want to see camera hole on the screen and I want big battery but sometimes I need selfie camera. I don't know, I'm confused now :)

  • @phonkequinox2602
    @phonkequinox26024 ай бұрын

    Just got mine a week ago based on your videos. It's really good! And it works

  • @AverageDadOfficial

    @AverageDadOfficial

    4 ай бұрын

    Glad you enjoy it!

  • @cuscuztech3470
    @cuscuztech34704 ай бұрын

    let me tell you a funny story: I own a Find X6 Pro and I am part of a group that pushes the limits of video recording on smartphones....on this group there are find x6 Pro, Find X7 Ultra, Oneplus 12, etc... pretty much all BBK Group phones with this shitty software called ColorOs. and there is a guy with a Nubia just like this one you showing, we all owners of BBK group phones have so many problems I cant even list here ( Mult Noise Reduction Problems, Face detection based exposure Problems, lots of problems with recording frames dropping because of the very agressive thermal control on ColorOS, sensors blocked to work on third party apps, and so on) and the guy with the Nubia has 0 problems. those companies think they know shit about video cameras and "invent" all sort of "features" that ruin every single phone they touch.

  • @isaacb8520
    @isaacb8520Ай бұрын

    Love the potrait go pro-esc angle you used

  • @marcocerritos9147
    @marcocerritos91474 ай бұрын

    In the main cameras they look very similar,and in price point there's a big difference

  • @Need4FPS
    @Need4FPS4 ай бұрын

    The phone is really good. Just ask yourself what do you want / need from a phone. I sold my S22 Ultra and got myself Z60 Ultra, as in past 2 years have never used wireless charger (rather gonna quickly top it up with wired charger), selfie do not interest me, need a little adaptation to software but for me its simple and it works. The only thing i might miss is the Spen even though i didnt use it much either. Other than that, this seems like a powerhouse and in my opinion feels really like a beast. (the only thing that bothers me, seems a bit slippery at least till you get used to the frame / phone.)

  • @lordmushroom723

    @lordmushroom723

    4 ай бұрын

    bro wuttt you solkd your s22 ultra for this??? The stylus is way too good on the phone :)

  • @fakedazzleful

    @fakedazzleful

    Ай бұрын

    ​@saturnblue I think it has IR Blaster which is better since it connect with anything. Samsung dex only connect to Samsung stuff only

  • @Tatisifetita
    @Tatisifetita4 ай бұрын

    They did a good phone and I like the direction the take on

  • @LuizFernando-ij3vb
    @LuizFernando-ij3vb15 күн бұрын

    Good video! many thanks! I´m importing a nubia z60 ultra already but I had some doubts about the every day use... now I'm sure I made a good choice considering the price and that the phone deliveries. And it was cheaper than a Galaxy S23 ultra!

  • @marcupton9705
    @marcupton97053 ай бұрын

    Glad I saw this more honest review. I live in Guangzhou China, use a Samsung S1 Ultra and have been thinking about the Z60 Ultra or even the Z50 Ultra. So I took the jump based on finances this month and bought the Z60 Ulttra. Paid the equivalent of 380 quid for the 16GB+512GB model. Can confirm, that the selfie camera, unless in great lighting is an utter gash...but don't really need it.

  • @injinerconev

    @injinerconev

    2 ай бұрын

    380 quid for a Z60 Ultra? D: Best I can get here for 380 quid would be a redmi note 13 pro+ or a galaxy a55 smh...

  • @glenn1964
    @glenn19644 ай бұрын

    Very good video. I think you're honest in the videos. I like your reviews. But what about the updates from this device? Personally I don't care about wireless charging and gaming on a device. Most important is Chipset and battery. This device has an under display camera !. Other brands does not. Good luck with your channel !. Glenn 🇳🇱

  • @victorchiric3344
    @victorchiric334429 күн бұрын

    Iphone 13 pro or z60 Ultra? Also, can you try for me to enter developer mode by pressing 7 times on build number in sertings. Then, disable smart refresh rate switching. After that can you tell me if there still is that green tint where the selfie camera is. I noticed that on your video especially on dark backgrounds( more visible with the luminosity below 30%). Thanks in advance. Waiting for reply. Keep up the good work!

  • @mariogrifus8020
    @mariogrifus80204 ай бұрын

    Hello ive it x 10 days the only problem is that sometimes lose the signal...so I resell but great budget top phone

  • @hokagoteatimereviews
    @hokagoteatimereviews4 ай бұрын

    Nice review averagedad 🙂 If this had headphone jack like the redmagic counterpart it would have been nice. Although I am biased since i review audio products 😅

  • @eado22

    @eado22

    4 ай бұрын

    ​@@saturnblueProbably the camera modules really took a lot of space.

  • @peterdean653
    @peterdean653Ай бұрын

    I just bought one from the nubia uk store. Best price I could get was £719.99 with £30 off. How did you get the price down further?

  • @OfficialMageHD
    @OfficialMageHD4 ай бұрын

    Have had mine for about a week and a half so far. Biggest actual issue for me isn't the phone but trying to get it working with AT&T because of their dumb whitelist. Definitely some oddities throughout that are a bit of a pain point, like with gestures the back is a swipe from the side, but can't change it to a swipe up from the bottom side which is annoying considering how many things use a swipe from the side for navigation. I think once I get it working as an actual phone and fully transition away from my oneplus 7 pro I'll get used to it pretty quickly. I just wish there was more options for the full front screen phones that aren't years old, since personally if I'm getting a new phone I want to get an actually new phone lol.

  • @heavenleigh111

    @heavenleigh111

    Ай бұрын

    HAHA, I had the same problem switching from a OnePlus to a Pixel. I liked the OnePlus gestures better than Android but am fine with them after getting used to them. Did you ever get AT&T to allow this phone? I also use AT&T and was seriously considering getting this one.

  • @cguralol
    @cguralol4 ай бұрын

    What I like a lot about the Nubia it's the camera focal length it has. 35mm for me it's perfect, not to close but not too far. Just perfect

  • @AverageDadOfficial

    @AverageDadOfficial

    4 ай бұрын

    Yeah, it is a great length

  • @DaRazorback
    @DaRazorback4 ай бұрын

    Great content Mike, thanks

  • @AverageDadOfficial

    @AverageDadOfficial

    4 ай бұрын

    My pleasure!

  • @Robilad86
    @Robilad864 ай бұрын

    Who need wireless charging function on phone with 6000mah 😂 This phone with single charge (35min) holds 2 days easily.

  • @TechWatch-xp4us

    @TechWatch-xp4us

    4 ай бұрын

    Exactly

  • @shaufiqfauzi6640

    @shaufiqfauzi6640

    4 ай бұрын

    Unless the wireless charger is fast wireless charging like my Oppo Find X7 Ultra capable 50w wireless charger Airvooc.

  • @JavisBoomTech

    @JavisBoomTech

    3 ай бұрын

    The 50 watt wireless charging on the OnePlus 12 is awesome! Never bothered with wireless charging before because it was so slow.

  • @jeffreytruong8918

    @jeffreytruong8918

    3 ай бұрын

    its a china beast lol

  • @heavenleigh111

    @heavenleigh111

    Ай бұрын

    How well does wireless charging work through a case that actually protects the whole phone? A case with a kickstand? Or for those that like to use a pop socket? It's definitely not a deal breaker for everyone

  • @alextucson9383
    @alextucson93834 ай бұрын

    Wenn ich mir das Nubia kaufe, dann geht man bewusst die Kompromisse ein die das Nubia. Ich brauche kein Wireles Charge, keine Selfiekamera. Die UI ist nah an Stock Android, dies gefällt mir viel besser, als die UI von z.B. von Samsung oder Xiaomi. Ich bin mit dem Nubia mehr als zufrieden.

  • @aidansalik8464
    @aidansalik846427 күн бұрын

    Planning to to buy new phone soon. Dunno what to choose betweennthis and nubia z50s pro

  • @-Seuz-
    @-Seuz-Ай бұрын

    i wanted to get this as an alternative to the RM 9 PRO any advice?

  • @andreasyiangou84
    @andreasyiangou844 ай бұрын

    Great video! Will you be reviewing oppo find x7 ultra?

  • @AverageDadOfficial

    @AverageDadOfficial

    4 ай бұрын

    Yes

  • @bobcollinge4292
    @bobcollinge4292Ай бұрын

    I wishore of these phones were more readily available in Canada to drive cell phone competition and maybe start driving the prices down on Samsung, google etc. Open. Up the markets governments!

  • @Gassten
    @Gassten4 ай бұрын

    Here in Sweden its 650USD for a Z60 ultra 1100USD for Oneplus 12 =S glad i got the nubia. Its amazing runs Gamecube games like nothing =D and play it connected to the tv with a xbox controller.

  • @foreveRcajon
    @foreveRcajon20 күн бұрын

    does it support video out over USB c?

  • @bengoey
    @bengoey4 ай бұрын

    Pity like the OnePlus 12R these phones have no eSim capability ( important for travellers and for the future). I don't use wireless charging

  • @KANWALJEETSINGH-ci3pm
    @KANWALJEETSINGH-ci3pm4 ай бұрын

    Hi which is the trusted source to buy this phone in canada

  • @Shahyan008
    @Shahyan0082 ай бұрын

    One plus 12 is good but I still prefer ZTE NUBIA they been in game for long time beside I like the full screen like my ZTE axon 30 5G ... STILL WORKING GOOD

  • @jayperez3431
    @jayperez3431Ай бұрын

    The Z60 doesn't have the same screen touch sensitivity as the RM series phones. The RM are designed to be a lot more responsive for gaming and you can tell using them.

  • @james_robertson
    @james_robertson2 ай бұрын

    i just got one, it all seemed ok at first. however on around 30% brightness and below the screen over the camera is visibly green, with a sort of x-shape - which makes the camera stand out way worse than a holepunch would. i am unsure if this is normal. it also will not do 120Hz on low brightnesses. i am assuming its a defect as not a single review ive seen mentions this.

  • @volteriaz

    @volteriaz

    Ай бұрын

    It is normal, and infact has been happening with every nubia (aswell as redmagic phone) that has an under display camera.

  • @victorchiric3344

    @victorchiric3344

    29 күн бұрын

    can you try for me to enter developer mode by pressing 7 times on build number in settings. Then, disable smart refresh rate switching. After that can you tell me if there still is that green tint where the selfie camera is. Is visible indeed on dark backgrounds( more visible with the luminosity below 30%). Thanks in advance. Waiting for reply.

  • @james_robertson

    @james_robertson

    29 күн бұрын

    @@victorchiric3344 hello, i tried that and when on it simply sets the refresh rate to 60Hz if low brightness. when off the green line is much more visible and genuinley annoying so i leave it on (default setting)

  • @aliasgur3342
    @aliasgur33423 ай бұрын

    I want one for the big battery and it's distinct look

  • @Patty-ed2fc
    @Patty-ed2fc2 ай бұрын

    hi can you check if there is a console mode when connecting to and external monitor?

  • @isaacb8520

    @isaacb8520

    Ай бұрын

    I read on Reddit that someone used usb c to hdmi cable to play cod mobile on a monitor 👍

  • @elysuhaily
    @elysuhailyАй бұрын

    Please make a comparison Nubia Z60 Ultra vs Redmi K70 Pro .. which is better in your opinion?

  • @AverageDadOfficial

    @AverageDadOfficial

    Ай бұрын

    Totally different price points! Nubia is better

  • @bojidarmartinov5949
    @bojidarmartinov59494 ай бұрын

    i got this phone because of you, its fine unfortunatly the notifications dont seem to work properly on some apps and that annoys me

  • @marcocerritos9147

    @marcocerritos9147

    4 ай бұрын

    Just go into settings of the app affected,and disable power saving in that app and problem solved

  • @AverageDadOfficial

    @AverageDadOfficial

    4 ай бұрын

    why?? it is a global ROM so should have no issues!

  • @AverageDadOfficial

    @AverageDadOfficial

    4 ай бұрын

    why?? it is a global ROM so should have no issues!

  • @bojidarmartinov5949

    @bojidarmartinov5949

    4 ай бұрын

    @@saturnblue the problem is that even when I turn it off apps like Gmail and reddit still don't receive notifications..it works with some apps, with some other it doesnt

  • @olive7254
    @olive72544 ай бұрын

    Thank you for doing this review. Is there a pixel experience for this phone. Also how is the battery life experience

  • @artfamilyah

    @artfamilyah

    4 ай бұрын

    I have 11 hours of DOT time

  • @dennisbeermann225
    @dennisbeermann2252 ай бұрын

    The Nubia is More Bigger than my Iphone 14pro.I Love it

  • @fulltank360
    @fulltank3604 ай бұрын

    What is the update policy of zte ? ,1y or none ?

  • @AverageDadOfficial

    @AverageDadOfficial

    4 ай бұрын

    Nubia you mean... 3 years minimum

  • @jaywellprince5369
    @jaywellprince53694 ай бұрын

    I really like this phone...but am curious to know if its slippery

  • @AverageDadOfficial

    @AverageDadOfficial

    4 ай бұрын

    Not really as it is so square.

  • @Mixail747
    @Mixail7472 ай бұрын

    New Nubia Z60 Ultra or used Xiaomi Mix Fold 2? Same price offered.

  • @AverageDadOfficial

    @AverageDadOfficial

    2 ай бұрын

    Z60 Ultra

  • @drlinux3
    @drlinux3Ай бұрын

    I have an NFC issue with it it doesn't make payments

  • @rickyspanish5316
    @rickyspanish53164 ай бұрын

    The fact there hasn't been an update since week one and the lack of a gallery have been a problem for me. Also for some reason its impossible to have apps play in the background. But the camera is crazy good and it's nice to have global rom

  • @rihadhaneefa3857

    @rihadhaneefa3857

    3 ай бұрын

    this is your myth bro. i bought Z60u i got 5 updates within 18 days.

  • @YoungWise2011

    @YoungWise2011

    3 ай бұрын

    Just got an update a week ago. I said the same thing before this update. And someone responded why update if theirs no bugs. This phones been rock solid.

  • @HobbyPlayground
    @HobbyPlayground3 ай бұрын

    Hi there, greetings from Serbia! I would really appreciate your opinion on Nubia z60 ultra vs Xiaomi 13 ultra. I can' decide which one to buy...

  • @oshikiri999
    @oshikiri9993 ай бұрын

    I have the cash right now and im torn between this and the oneplus 12. Shooting videos is my main priority! What would you pick? Wireless charging isn't a priority to me.

  • @AverageDadOfficial

    @AverageDadOfficial

    3 ай бұрын

    well its 100w wireless changing on the 6 pro and a better camera system so a no brainer dude

  • @oshikiri999

    @oshikiri999

    3 ай бұрын

    @@AverageDadOfficial thanks dude all I needed hear 😎🤟🏻

  • @YoungWise2011

    @YoungWise2011

    3 ай бұрын

    Both are great. I have the Nubia. I prefer OnePlus software everything else Nubia. For me the uninterrupted display does it for me and battery .

  • @AnalogicoDigitale
    @AnalogicoDigitale3 ай бұрын

    I don't use wireless charging because Is problematic for battery stress and because i make Just One second for take and remove the cable from the phone un charging, Just for me Is never indispnsable

  • @rihadhaneefa3857
    @rihadhaneefa38573 ай бұрын

    i brought this 🥰

  • @desirearts5130
    @desirearts51302 күн бұрын

    May I have it for my art , I love that phone

  • @a1000island
    @a1000island4 ай бұрын

    That's a good looking phone

  • @andrianlaksana9354
    @andrianlaksana93542 ай бұрын

    Nubia z 60 ultra 24 gb 1TB dragon edition is my perfect phone 😊

  • @battlezordfalcon4776

    @battlezordfalcon4776

    Ай бұрын

    did u get one

  • @Neutrinum
    @Neutrinum4 ай бұрын

    I would buy the Nubia Phone, if it can do following things: - Can you turn of the screen and keep KZread or whatever video app or stream in the background playing? (Without premium) Like with the Redmi Phones. - Can you cast over USB Port to a tv? - Can you cast wireless without problems? - How is the bluetooth connection and quality with headphones ? Those are important questions when it comes to buy a new phone!

  • @eado22

    @eado22

    4 ай бұрын

    Or just use YT Revanced?

  • @Neutrinum

    @Neutrinum

    4 ай бұрын

    @@eado22 Thanks for the hint. I use "NewPipe" its like Revanced but it only works with KZread. Redmi Phones have a build in background playback for all apps and i can't live without it anymore 🙃 It saves so much battery life (I hope it isn't just a MIUI thing). Otherwise i am stuck forever with Redmi-Phones 😅

  • @TatakaeforFreedom

    @TatakaeforFreedom

    4 ай бұрын

    ​@@eado22of course bro 😂. Using youtube Vanced, its best

  • @injinerconev

    @injinerconev

    2 ай бұрын

    You can cast it on a monitor and for yt playback with the screen off, you can use revanced or what I personally use - Brave or Opera or some other browser that has the option in settings. I see some phones now have this option integrated in the software, but if you don't have it, there are plenty of options still.

  • @thechuck141
    @thechuck1414 ай бұрын

    Can these phones be rooted????? In 15 years I have never used a selfie camera

  • @AverageDadOfficial

    @AverageDadOfficial

    4 ай бұрын

    Any phone can but... it is. a global ROM so why bother?

  • @geertjanssens4789
    @geertjanssens47894 ай бұрын

    Just the very first pic was little worse on the Nubia, all others looked comparable... In my opinion

  • @AverageDadOfficial

    @AverageDadOfficial

    4 ай бұрын

    Thanks! smartphones nowadays are so close

  • @geertjanssens4789

    @geertjanssens4789

    4 ай бұрын

    @@AverageDadOfficial absolutely true

  • @bobcollinge4292
    @bobcollinge4292Ай бұрын

    Only thing with the Chinese phones are the lack of consistent software/security updates. I'd still give this one a go.

  • @AverageDadOfficial

    @AverageDadOfficial

    Ай бұрын

    ? they get the same updates the global ones do... my x fold 3 has had 4 since i got it

  • @ikkezelf2906
    @ikkezelf29064 ай бұрын

    Never seen any review of a Nubia. I even don't know this brand. Thanks for opening my view 😃 You started the review very positively, but than you came to the software. That is a problem for me. You can have hardware that is top, but if the software is not fine, that is a dealbreaker.

  • @AverageDadOfficial

    @AverageDadOfficial

    4 ай бұрын

    My pleasure 😊

  • @GregCarey-wi3lw
    @GregCarey-wi3lw27 күн бұрын

    Ill buy the nubia depending on the price

  • @AverageDadOfficial

    @AverageDadOfficial

    26 күн бұрын

    ?? this was sold months ago

  • @jaywellprince5369
    @jaywellprince53694 ай бұрын

    And does it have gallery app?

  • @AverageDadOfficial

    @AverageDadOfficial

    4 ай бұрын

    Google Photos

  • @jaywellprince5369

    @jaywellprince5369

    4 ай бұрын

    @@AverageDadOfficial too bad that means i can't edit my photos😭😭

  • @magicchessreplays8203
    @magicchessreplays8203Ай бұрын

    Im not a selfie guy. And i need those large undisturbed screen.

  • @francisdebriey3609
    @francisdebriey36094 ай бұрын

    My ranking of pictures : 1. S24 ultra 2. Oneplus 12 & Nubia z60 3. Iphone 15 pro

  • @johnrhanyson1915
    @johnrhanyson19154 күн бұрын

    Z60 ultra or Xiaomi 14 vanilla?

  • @AverageDadOfficial

    @AverageDadOfficial

    4 күн бұрын

    z60

  • @freedomworks7897
    @freedomworks78972 ай бұрын

    @frankkratos I got a OnePlus 12 now and have a guy that wants to trade me this phone and $200 cash. Should I do it? Important to me is camera on my phone and then battery and KZread multimedia. I like the OnePlus but disappointed in cameras and I hate the curved display. What's your thoughts?

  • @juliocesarampuero8503
    @juliocesarampuero85033 ай бұрын

    Should i buy the starry night edition or just the normal edition?

  • @AverageDadOfficial

    @AverageDadOfficial

    3 ай бұрын

    only normal is global i think no?

  • @aschlotsega7356
    @aschlotsega73564 ай бұрын

    Hi I have the device but the Bluetooth le is locked,I have tried to use developer options to fix it but with no success do you have any idea how to solve this?

  • @AverageDadOfficial

    @AverageDadOfficial

    4 ай бұрын

    www.reddit.com/r/Honor/s/E7Afdc50a7

  • @chucknorris8704
    @chucknorris87044 ай бұрын

    The garbage selfie cam is a pro for some people (ugly people who need a beauty filter).

  • @MathieuTechMoto
    @MathieuTechMoto4 ай бұрын

    i'm a weirdo, i turn off haptics

  • @AverageDadOfficial

    @AverageDadOfficial

    3 ай бұрын

    haha! we are all weird in our own way!

  • @MathieuTechMoto

    @MathieuTechMoto

    3 ай бұрын

    On the Mi 11 Ultra there is a slight delay in the haptics when typing and it throws me off, so now it is turned off, but i loved the haptics on the LG V60@@AverageDadOfficial

  • @DD-pg6ym
    @DD-pg6ym2 ай бұрын

    What u think about overheating guys?

  • @user-fe5rb1pe7u
    @user-fe5rb1pe7u4 ай бұрын

    will this phone work in USA?

  • @TedThomasTT
    @TedThomasTT3 ай бұрын

    I drive a lot so I need wireless charging. You interested in nothing phones?

  • @pawekocur8961
    @pawekocur89614 ай бұрын

    Somehow I am disappointed ! 2024 and there is not perfect phone worth grand to pay. Best setup would be: spen, software and funcionality of s24u, iphone camera setup, nubia shape......and if possible V2 fold form.

  • @harveydent154

    @harveydent154

    4 ай бұрын

    xiaomi 14 & xiaomi 13t pro shoot true to life pictures and videos at 60fps, nubia z60 ultras selfie is worser than iphone 4s selfie, the best thing about nubia z60 ultra is the 120fps 4k back cameras

  • @calebgao6931

    @calebgao6931

    4 ай бұрын

    ​@@harveydent154xiaomi 14 and even the 14pro are just ain't it with it's telephoto lens. It's the only Chinese phone in the 700-1000 euro price range that doesn't come with a periscope telephoto. 13t pro are one generation behind with it's mtk9200+ soc also comes with a plastic frame.

  • @harveydent154

    @harveydent154

    4 ай бұрын

    @@calebgao6931 it is still better than nubia z60 ultra that is what i was trying to say, the best thing about nubia z60 ultra is 4k 120fps ip68 and everything is perfect but nubia z60 ultras 1080p selfie camera is worser than xiaomi 13t series 720p by the way xiaomi 13t selfie camera is 1080p but at 720p it will destroy nubia z60 ultras 1080p selfie camera. 4k 120fps is the best thing about nubia z60 ultra other than that this z60 sucks

  • @harveydent154

    @harveydent154

    4 ай бұрын

    @@calebgao6931 xiaomi 13t series selfie cameras can shoot 1080p but at 720p it destroys z60 ultras 1080p, nubia z60 ultras ip68 & 4k 120fps and everything is perfect but selfie camera is worser than iphone 4s which is more than 10 years old

  • @harveydent154

    @harveydent154

    4 ай бұрын

    @@saturnblue z60 ultra shoots 120fps 4k with 3 rear cameras no phone in the market does that, this phone is awesome. i hope they improve selfie with future z series

  • @BuddyHollygan
    @BuddyHollygan2 ай бұрын

    I think that's a terribly dilettante comparison. This phone is much better than these, but you can even take the Huawei P60 pro.

  • @AchwaqKhalid
    @AchwaqKhalid21 күн бұрын

    No SD Card = No Deal ❌

  • @AverageDadOfficial

    @AverageDadOfficial

    20 күн бұрын

    lol! enjoy your Sony or budget phone

  • @AchwaqKhalid

    @AchwaqKhalid

    20 күн бұрын

    @@AverageDadOfficial because of that shortcoming I'm currently considering a wild combo since I can't entrust my generated data to a phone which doesn't have an SD card to backup into: 1 - RedMagic 9 Pro for all my Android Gaming needs 🎮 2 - Redmi Note 13 Pro with 200mpx camera and SD Card as a daily driver 📱

  • @ankrax
    @ankraxАй бұрын

    haptics are for furries

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