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@sarahcho9497

4 жыл бұрын

just an FYI, Obsidian is working on a mobile app as well, though not yet available :)

@artexjay

3 жыл бұрын

Your complain for collapsible bullet point for example in Obsidian has been implented

@mydroid2791

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like Obsidian just needs to get better, or maybe have a baby with Notion, and then it would be what I am looking for. I.e. A productivity & knowledge app that is designed to store your data locally, or on a [local] NAS storage device you own, so we don't have to worry about e2e encryption (just https and local storage encryption), to store all "notes" one takes in life digitally (learning, research, projects, etc). Oh, and be cross-platform!

@erinscannon

2 жыл бұрын

Your free course sounds great! Is it only free to Skillshare members? :-(

Important, Obsidian now has the possibility to collapse bullet points, and chapters. Also, Obsidian uses Markdown, not plain text, so your text WILL NOT be chaotic as shown in the video.

@RudraSingh-pb5ls

3 жыл бұрын

What's markdown ?

@tusharjamwal

3 жыл бұрын

Natan! Thanks!!! I downloaded Obsidian :)

@axea4554

3 жыл бұрын

whoa, that's cool

@gangreyw

3 жыл бұрын

thank you

@randomrock1885

3 жыл бұрын

obsidian also got an android app btw. I don't have an ios device so can't say about that

An updated video of this would be interesting because it changed a lot. Notion for example has now also backlinks and remnote has also mobileapps...

@DustlyFog

2 жыл бұрын

yeah obsidian and remnote also changed alot, I think they was 3 months old when this was released now. And its been like 2 years now too.

@maribethdeshotel693

Жыл бұрын

I agree. It would be great to do a comparing Notion and RemNote.

All of them are good for note taking, organizing and reviewing. Have tried all of them together with anki and quizlet. But what made me transfer to Remnote is the ability of it to make flash cards at the get go. Since time is very important and is limited especially in college, being able to organize your notes and review immediately using active recall is definitely a must.

@daedgoco

2 жыл бұрын

did you try roam as well?

Notion has backlink feature - for databases and pages

Me as a student who spends more time looking for note-taking apps rather than studying XD

Great video. Helped me to understand why everyone is hyping roam but it felt wrong for me. I'm more looking for something like notion where i can document and share information in an organisation.

@KoiAcademy

3 жыл бұрын

Glad we could help, and yes notion would be the best for that, thanks for watching !

I wish Remnote and Notion would make a baby. That'll be perfect haha Thanks for the comparison! Edit/Update: It appears that remnote has not made a baby with their current update. RemNotion it is!

@KoiAcademy

4 жыл бұрын

agreeed 😂 you’re very welcome! Are you currently using any of these apps?

@KoiAcademy

4 жыл бұрын

Noelani-mei Ascio awesome, so stoked you found our channel, and always a pleasure to find another medical student :) when is your step 1? I’m so glad I finished mine recently haha. Yup I agree with you that Anki has a lot of users sharing their decks. RemNote is working on implementing an “Anki Importer” type feature which will be a game changer.

@someonenotyou

4 жыл бұрын

@@KoiAcademy Congratulations on finishing STEP 1! Mine is not till next spring/summer. Honestly, I'll probably switch to RemNote for third year. Only sticking with anki right now because I started with it. Although, I can't wait for the "anki importer" update! hopefully soon :)

@InquisitiveEngineer

4 жыл бұрын

That baby would probably be named... ...wait for it... RemNotion.

@KoiAcademy

4 жыл бұрын

QuantumFork lol 😂

I like how you made the distinction between knowledge and productivity. Thanks for the time stamps!

@KoiAcademy

4 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Note. While obsidian is not outliner the option can be turned on to fold on headings so you can get similar effect if needed.

This seriously needs an update.

Obsidian technically has a very open and flexible collaboration capability. Because the underlying "vault" sits on top of a file directory you can achieve the following: - access on mobile via something like Ulysses or IA writer. - collaborate with others by storing a vault in a cloud file storage solution or even github - collaborators can choose whatever markdown editor they are comfortable with so if they don't like obsidian they could collab and spend their whole time in Ulysses or IA writer

@KoiAcademy

4 жыл бұрын

thanks for sharing these workarounds! We were mainly speaking about native collaboration features in the apps, but i agree these would work well 👍

I think we really needed such a video. Too many choices can sometimes make decision making confusing. Your video made my view a lot clearer. Thank you.

I'm an active Roam (for my 'messy' thoughts and outlining) and Notion (for project management) user. I'm also, however, looking at Obsidian (for my personal wiki and writing rough drafts) and Rem for studying. So I can see use cases for all four of those apps!

@KoiAcademy

4 жыл бұрын

that was our goal! all the apps can certainly do all study, project management, and notetaking, but they're all unique as well :)

@torspedia

4 жыл бұрын

@@KoiAcademy indeed they are :-)

@TheDallasDwayne

3 жыл бұрын

@@torspedia Have You found disadvantages to having Your notes/knowledge spread across multiple platforms? Not having it centralized seems like an issue for me which is the biggest reason keeping me from venturing into some of these new platforms.

@torspedia

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheDallasDwayne for me, I prefer to not have as much of my information as possible on multiple platforms, in case one of them decides to pull the plug. Not having everything in one basket, in other words. The only real downside is the time taken to copy notes over, especially translating them into different formats. That said, however, with my learning style it gives me the opportunity to go through the information once again, so it gradually gets added to my long-term memory!

@TheDallasDwayne

3 жыл бұрын

@@torspedia Thanks for the feedback. That's a neat thought about added mental processing with transferring them from one format to another.

From my opinion, Roam cons are: 1- you may lose data since many users report that. 2- it is not sustainable since they ask for $15 per month. RemNote cons are: 1- small bugs there and here are a lot. 2- the layout looks not smooth. 3- They don’t have active community. Obsidian cons are: only they don’t have block referencing, but they the option that I have chosen because: 1- free 2- local 3- great graph view.

@KoiAcademy

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing your thoughts! I think you bring up very good points for each one 👍🏼

@Azn_Bran

4 жыл бұрын

I 100% agree with your points, however, the biggest con for me with Obsidian is that it feels awkward to use. The systems own "friction" was something I never overcame and that caused me to use it far less than I would have liked. Roam seems to have removed all of the friction for me and a tool that I love to use trumps nearly everything for me. I will pay for a good tool, and I am sure over time with their level of success they will address the bugs/data loss. (I actually had dataloss and spoke with the founder himself about the issue, they do care and are trying to address how quickly they are growing).

@geekmeee

4 жыл бұрын

Everybody has a different reason for using these tools. I think it’s great that we have choice!

@ninjaduck3534

3 жыл бұрын

Block referencing was just announced a fortnight ago! 👍

Each note taking app is actually pretty useful! Thanks for comparing and showing us what is the best app to use for different scenarios!

@KoiAcademy

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Great, great video, folks. Congratulations on helping the community with the only comprehensive video comparing all these tools.

@KoiAcademy

3 жыл бұрын

Always happy to help!

Great video! Very informative, helpful and concise and I loved the comparison charts. Thank you for creating this! Will definitely try out Notion and am leaning towards Remnote for a long term knowledge based mgt. system. Although Obsidian seems to have beautiful design graphs, so we shall see how the test drive goes. Super excited!!

@KoiAcademy

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! And goodluck, it’s a hard choice especially since all the apps are growing so quickly

Just saw y’all focus on evidence based studying methods & knowledge management. I think I just found my new favorite channel 🤩

Thank you for a very useful comparison, which I first watched back in fall 2020, when I began considering a tool for my studies at law school. I am glad that I chose RemNote for my studies and it has helped me tremendously. I have recently begun toying with Obsidian for PKM. Both RemNote and Obsidian have come a long way since this video. However, other than built-in active recall and spaced repetition, RemNote still has one extremely useful feature that is not yet possible with Obsidian, namely portals, probably because Obsidian is based on markdown text rather than rems (or blocks in the case of Roam).

Keep in mind, Obsidian has made great strides since the publication of this video. Pretty much all the cons highlighted in this video have been resolved in some way.

Thank you for the product comparison matrix. That saved me a lot of time!

@KoiAcademy

3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful, and happy to see you found our channel!

This is the way how the things are to be explained. I was struggling to find good combinations of note taking systems. And your time stamps are helping me a lot. Thank you guys.

Great video! Thank you so much! This helped in choosing the management app I will use. I think I am going with Notion!

@KoiAcademy

3 жыл бұрын

Always happy to help!

Loved this video..cleared all my confusion

Thank you for very much for this video!! It was super useful!

4:00 But as far as I know obsidian can have plugins and probably even if it doesn't have these features you can find a plugin to do it and if there is no plugin you can write it yourself. Things like space repetition should be possible to implement.

Thanks so much Mike and Matty. This has been extremelly useful. I ahve now subscribe to your channel and to your instagram account. Keep the good work, you are helping a lot of people

Thanks, guys. You added clarity to why I've been confused. It seems I need for two, not one that does it all. Notion for productivity and another (still not sure of) for personal acknowledge management (I am a writer, researcher, which is probably Roam. I've been turned off by roam's pricing.

Subbed - excellent video guys, keep up the great work!

@KoiAcademy

3 жыл бұрын

Hey welcome aboard! If you’re looking for more note-taking videos, check out the series that we just published yesterday !

I was thinking about getting Notion. Thanks for this!

@KoiAcademy

4 жыл бұрын

no problem! Thanks for watching 😀

Great overview of note taking apps: succinct summary of the key points with some very astute observations!

@KoiAcademy

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! It’s crazy how quickly these note taking apps are updating

Clear video, I liked that you made a distinction between productivity and organizing knowledge (as someone who struggles with both)

Great review guys, thanks it helped clarify things for me.

this was really helpful, guys, thank u!

very thoughtful video! you've gained a sub - I'll look forward to your future videos!

@KoiAcademy

4 жыл бұрын

thank you and welcome to the family!

Awesome video guys. Keep creating!

@KoiAcademy

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! That means a lot :)

Well explained! Great work!

Incredibly helpful. Thank you very much

Perfect video. So useful as it helps us decide which one instead of wasting time explaining one.

Great video. I am Brazilian and I was having a hard time trying to find content about those apps in Portuguese. Also, I think that I will certainly improve my taking note skills using one of these. Thank you ;)

Thank you so much!!! All these apps pretty much cover everything used together, but then it can get messy and clutter-y. I think I'm going to try to use RemNote! Thank you smmmm for this comparison video again :))

@KoiAcademy

3 жыл бұрын

You are sooo welcome thank you for watching :)

Link to block of notes/link to headers is really an important difference to me for making a Zettelkasten! Thank you for you well-organized video!

Extremely helpful! Thank you!

@KoiAcademy

3 жыл бұрын

Glad we could help!

Awesome break down guys!!

@KoiAcademy

4 жыл бұрын

of course! Hope you’re doing well Tanya :)

Thanks for great content guys. I just started with Obsidian today and it does have folding outline features (v0.8) - possibly they weren’t there when you recorded this? SRS in Remnote looks useful however Obsidian has sold me on the local plain text portability and the awesome graph view.

@KoiAcademy

4 жыл бұрын

TheJazzmoose obsidian is a great choice and I think you’ll be very happy with it! Remnote allows you to store text locally now, and also has a graph view now as a plugin!

Trying to find a note taking app for school, and this was the best video by far I've watched. I needed a comprehensive overview of all the note taking apps so I could make a decision. Good work! I think I'm going to use Remnote. I also liked Roam because of the map but they don't have a free one you can try.

I would love if you turned this into a recurring update series every 6 months or so, considering these apps are the future. Remnote now has a graph view now and notion has backlinking. I'm sure there are other updates I'm not listing.

RemNote is just the best!!!! I would really give the devs a big kiss and hug if i could!

@KoiAcademy

4 жыл бұрын

haha we'll send the message along 😀 thanks for watching

@saadzfold2150

3 жыл бұрын

Sameeee

You've definitely stimulated to build my knowledge base via one of these apps. Currently it's housed in so many different vehicles. Great comparison video!

@KoiAcademy

4 жыл бұрын

thanks for watching! BTW, so sorry we missed your message on fb waaay back when. hope we left you something to start with. good luck!

@IntentionalMarriages

4 жыл бұрын

@@KoiAcademy no worries my friend. got your message!! thank you!!

I love Roam. Its very smooth and inspires me to connect my thoughts and write more.

Great review. You really were very objective and helpful.

that was really helpful, thank you both

@KoiAcademy

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Congratulations on the content, hope you guys grow (ESL - I have english as a second language)

@KoiAcademy

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you Victor! Glad you found it helpful

You give people what they actually ask. 👍

@KoiAcademy

4 жыл бұрын

Glad you found it helpful!

Thank you Mike and Matty for this amazing video!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@KoiAcademy

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Proud to be subscribed to a channel that will be very big very soon! Amazing videos!

@kanmedlife2494

4 жыл бұрын

Rightly said

@KoiAcademy

4 жыл бұрын

☺️ thank you, This is the best thing I’ve heard all day!

Good job guys! I really do agree with your assessment, especially since I have experienced all 4 of these systems. I found friction to be the biggest driver for me and therefore love Roam Research. As for Notion, I started there and still use it because its the only one that is collaborative. I maintain my D&D campaigns there and my entire gaming group (we've been playing together for 28 years) adds data.

@KoiAcademy

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing your journey! It’s always interesting to see how people use these tools and how they discover new ways to improve their workflow :) have you tried RemNote?

@Azn_Bran

4 жыл бұрын

@@KoiAcademy I did create an account but haven't really dived in. I am not a student and I understand that the spaced repetition support is the primary killer feature of Remnote, but I will look into it further.

great vid thanks for comparing all 4 haven't seen this yet super helpful. I have settled on notion for life ... but am still debating btwn roam and obsidian for 2nd brain. if I was a student, id def try remnote. thanks again!

@KoiAcademy

4 жыл бұрын

you are very welcome :) thanks so much for watching!

Glad the algorithm suggested your channel! Excellent video, thank you!

@KoiAcademy

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! Are you using any of these apps?

@nathans.509

4 жыл бұрын

@@KoiAcademy I've tried a couple of times to get going with Notion, but it gets in my way. I would love something that combines Notion + RemNote! Watched your other two videos, and seriously considering RemNote. Congrats on your channel. Your videos are really easy to watch, and good info! I'm now a subscriber! 😊

I moved from Roam to Obsidian a few months ago. I still have a Roam account but never use it. Obsidian is really cool, getting better daily and is the best option for the confidentiality of my notes and the notes and the therapeutic notes I make on my clients. Having the ability to have several (often 5) windows open of different pages far outshines roam. Recent updates mean to me there is nothing that I need in Roam anymore. Obsidian is a winner for me. Roam is a good tool but it comes at a price both financial and some, sometimes iffy cult mentality

@KoiAcademy

3 жыл бұрын

obsidian is growing fast and for good reason. thanks for taking the time to share your experience

@kanedodgson9684

3 жыл бұрын

@@KoiAcademy your welcome you make really good and clear videos a joy to wach

@colindouglas7415

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the review. This is very comforting to hear, so thanks for good info

Obsidian now has the ability to toggle sections, it has mobile apps and collaboration options. Time to make a new comparison?

Superb comparison guys. Using Roam myself as like the simplicity. I think RemNote has a cluttered look but clearly leading on the learning aspects.

@KoiAcademy

4 жыл бұрын

Totally agree with your thoughts there, Roam def has a cleaner interface. Once RemNote’s UI is cleaner things may change though haha. Thanks for watching :)

Thank You, this was a great video!!!

@KoiAcademy

4 жыл бұрын

our pleasure! thanks for watching :)

Well Done. Very helpful review.

Three years later and knowing some of the apps, it is really interesting seeing how much has changed compared to the versions this video is based upon.

Great comparison guys! As things run fast, it seems to be time to update it!!!! :-P

Thanks for sharing your opinion! It seems like all of them are very good, but I will be using RemNote for studying

@KoiAcademy

4 жыл бұрын

RemNote is amazing for students! Good choice my friend

Clear comparison of each not taking app, I will choose Notion for project and lift management, and Obsidian as my second brain for writing 😃

This is a terrifically informative video, with clear previews and outlines - makes me think that the both of you are experienced teachers! I did find my attention wandering at times, even though I really wanted to listen attentively, which I think is connected to how both of you don't vary your intonation or sentence cadence throughout the video, which is pretty long to speak without some varying expressiveness.

*side note: The "time consuming step of transcribing notes into flashcards" has been proven to be largely responsible for the highest level of information retention.*

@minecraftotalwar

2 жыл бұрын

Ok link the study

This is one of the most useful productivity videos But an update will be really nice as a lot has changed in the last 2 years.. **I REQUEST AN UPDATED VIDEO ON THE TOPIC**

it is worth to redo this comparison, as many features are now implemented.

Thank you for your well thought out comparisons. As a time management coach, I am always looking for and trying new productivity tools. I had used Notion extensively, am currently trying Roam and had tested Obsidian, but prefer an online version. Hadn't tried RemNote yet, so I will look into it.

@KoiAcademy

4 жыл бұрын

Wow, so glad to have your input coming from your background. Would love to hear your thoughts after you try everything

@GarlandCoulson

4 жыл бұрын

@@KoiAcademy Thanks guys! I am currently testing RemNote by using it for all my notes this week. One thing I liked about Roam Research is how it automatically created pages when I put in a topic. I assume I would use Tags on RemNote to replicate this functionality? Also Roam was very focused on a daily focus, but with RemNotes ability to create folders and documents, do you still find creating a document for each day useful?

@KoiAcademy

4 жыл бұрын

@@GarlandCoulson Yes, every single bullet point you make in RemNote automatically becomes its own page, just click on the bullet to jump into that page. And yes, our favorite way to use RemNote is the daily document (daily focus). Whenever you create a new document in the sidebar next to "Document" you will automatically create a new document with today's date on it. Def recommend checking this tutorial series as well, you will find that RemNote and Roam are more similar than most people think: bit.ly/RemNoteTutorials

For Mac users, there are also apps like Curio, Scrivener, and Tinderbox. Curio excels at being very visual and can do a lot. Tinderbox is very nerdy, but as powerful as Roam, Obisidian, and Rem.

An update to this video would be super cool, as obsidian greatly improved recently !

It would be awesome to get a update to this! A lot has changed over the last couple of years and I would like to see how Taskade compares to these apps

I personally use Obsidian, however there’s a good chance that I’ll be moving over to Remnote instead to capitalize on those spaced repetition and active recall features ;) perhaps I’ll use Obsidian for casual note taking, but Ive always desired the ability to intertwine jotting down notes with effective study methods. Also, amazing video! Based on the diversity of conclusions in the comments on which software would be best for the commenter, you guys seemed to nail down a factual, unbiased perspective :D

@KoiAcademy

3 жыл бұрын

Appreciate your input on this, and thanks for watching :)

i currently have all of my notes on google keeps and my rocket 🚀 bullet journal definitely going to try both notion and obsidian ! thanks

Nice video. Thank you!

Please make an updated version because notion has backlinks now. I want to know how to use notion propery but the backlinking part is still hard for me lol

obsidian does have folding for active recall and outlining. you have to enable it on settings. also it can work with anki for spaced repetition,

Nice video. Unbiased and informative!!

@KoiAcademy

3 жыл бұрын

thanks for watching!

Thanks for the great review, I like notion but now I'll try remnote

Very helpful. I've been twisting my brain finding and comparing Zettelkasten software with no real conclusion as to which to go with. Your comparison helped me knock a few off the list. Many thanks.

@drorharari

2 жыл бұрын

Note that the video did not age well. Obsidian now has a mobile app as well as all the other items I didn't have then

Loved your video wish you would make a video of everything you can do with Remnotes. See you are focusing on students but what else can it be used for? What customization can be achieved to make it feel more like my personal work space ?

Discovered RemNote and Obsidian from your video. Thanks!

@KoiAcademy

3 жыл бұрын

So glad you found us!

Obsidian for Personal Knowledge Management + Notion for Productivity 🙌

Yall are always there when I'm searching anything school related ;u;, thank you

@KoiAcademy

3 жыл бұрын

We always here for you :) what other school questions do you have?

@tsulum4668

3 жыл бұрын

@@KoiAcademy at the moment, none lol

You have great videos. Knowledge Management is also about recalling what you have - so if spaced repetition is important then go with RemNote. But then the next question would be if I have invested time and effort in one and then an alternative application meets your needs and some more - can one salvage that work and move it (with ease) into another app which has the features you desire?

@KoiAcademy

4 жыл бұрын

Hi harry, nice to hear from you again! I think you’re referring to whether the apps can export their data, and the answer is yes. All 4 apps have data export capabilities, but whether or not they can import each other’s data easily is the challenge. When you import data to another platform, it will not be exactly the same and formatting may be different. I believe they are all working to improve that function to make integration between programs easier.

Please make an updated version of this comparison since a lot of new features have been added to each tool. I would love to watch that! Greetings :)

Notion's lack of end to end encryption is a dealbreaker

@cooldude588

3 жыл бұрын

Agree. Also Notion also lack of simple table and basic text formatting (alignment and justification) .

Great video. Thanks!!

@KoiAcademy

4 жыл бұрын

thanks for watching! :)

Useful review. I've been experimenting with note-taking systems since the '70s, and always end up back with Buzan-style mindmaps. Mapping forces you to process the incoming knowledge proactively as you work out the associations you want and try to make sense of the ideas. Plus the keywords and graphical nature of the approach assist with overview. And good mindmapping software allows for linking between maps and nodes. These associative apps aren't a new idea - see TheBrain, for example, which has been around for years. But they are very text dense, and don't force you to process your thinking or to create overview, and you end up with a very loosely organised web of atomic snippets. In the end, all knowledge is hierarchical - mindmapping and associative noting are both based on outlining under the hood. The question is, which encourages the clearest, most efficient thinking habits? For me, it's mindmapping all the way.

@juanantoniogonzalez8729

3 жыл бұрын

I doo it all by hand, thiking to switch digital¿Wich one you choose ?

@tullochgorum6323

3 жыл бұрын

@@juanantoniogonzalez8729 Depends. I tend to do all first-draft maps by hand - it feels more direct, with no cognitive load from the software. If it's a quick and dirty map for immediate use (eg for a blog post) I leave it at that. If it's something I might use longer term for reference or revision, I'll often do a cleaned up draft in Ayoa (much the best software, in my view, but I hate their pricing model).

@juanantoniogonzalez8729

3 жыл бұрын

@@tullochgorum6323 Thanks for the reply, im not ....so convinced to switch to digital i feel the process of hand write things its more meaningful vs the sake of collect data but maybe in my master i give this BIG WORD OF digital systems a chance.

Please update this video to 2022-2023

Hi guys, I am here again cs really appreciate the clever comparison pointing out that none of the app is THE best, but each can be our best according to our needs. I just ask you if you made an upgrade of this videocomparison considering the new features that each app may have implemented in the last 2 years or so. I think it would be great, thanks!

@music123music9

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah. I was thinking just this. It would be great if they see this comment.

! thank you for this video, is very clear, and for now... We need a new video for analyzing the new mobile apps

I am an engineering undergraduate so wanna know which one of these will help me in taking notes for coding?

3:28: In Obsidian u can place bullet points :) Furthermore, great vid!

Smart boys, very good presentation and you have wonderful skills 😀