22lr... the most underrated cartridge ever. I’ve carried a ruger lcp 22 in my pocket for 3 years now loaded with federal punch. I’ve had countless discussions with buddies of mine about the far superior ballistics of their 9 mm,40’s, and 45’s in their truck, or evenin their nightstand 2.5 hours away as I stand there with my “inferior” 22 on my person all day every day. I’ve seen countless videos claiming a 22 is not enough for personal defense unless you are crippled frail and old. Im a 42 year old 6’4 380 pound towboat engineer that shoots hand cannons up to 500 s&w magnum. I carry a well maintained vetted functional 22 for the sole purpose of defending myself and my property while I’m away from my 12 ga at home and have not felt under armed not once. Chances are if I met the person that took 11 of those to the face, chest or gut and they still wanted my stuff they obviously need it worse than me. If after that they are still trying to take my life I will fight them hands on, knife out, with what ever my environment has handy, or run which I’m admittedly not good at, so that is somewhat of a last resort.

@michaelhoots1888

10 ай бұрын

I’m no gun nut , or a big guy like you , but I am a black belt and martial art teacher at 6ft 160 , and I agree , .22 is very underrated and almost laughed at ? The way I see it is a bullet is a bullet… and if I empty the magazine , which is most likely going to happen in a lot of defense situations, anyone , even a big guy like yourself, isn’t going to be happy with 10-20 rounds peppering you , and within 100 yards it’s most definitely penetrating your skull and hitting the brain… aka killing you, if it can kill a coyote at 60 yards to the head. It can most definitely do that within 30 out of a hand gun to a human… less kick and more bullets accurately down range is the winner of most gun fights. So .22lr for the win all day everyday !! I’m my opinion 🤙🏼

@coyote520

9 ай бұрын

A lot of supposed experts like to point out that .22 does not IMMEDIATELY stop the threat. While it is true that .22 may not immediately drop a threat like .357 or .45, I feel it's still an effective round in a lot of situations of self defense, especially if the shot placement is good. Thing is, you shoot somebody in the face or throat with .22, they will probably not want to continue their attack. There are exceptions to every circumstance, and I normally carry large rounds for defense, but I would not object to carrying a decent .22 for self defense.

@matthewruhland8443

9 ай бұрын

has yours been pretty reliable? I was having some issues with mine but bought some new springs and it has been much better. I also have a lot more rounds through it now so that probably helps. Such a fun gun to shoot. I have been thinking about also purchasing the lcp max

@richavic4520

9 ай бұрын

​@michaelhoots1888 it was a 160 lb gymnastics instructor that is the only person that beat Turbo out of the wrestling ring on American Gladiators TV show. Surprising power can come in small packages

@AIRDOODOO

8 ай бұрын

I carry 9mm Sig Crown SD 124, like the reliability of a good center fire cartridge but don't hate on your choice. Bullet is a bullet as long as it goes bang and CYCLES the weapon

$3.59 Stingers 🤔🤣 those were the days

@thereloadingcraft

Жыл бұрын

Yuuup. An old pack for sure 😂

@sleepthoughamostqruelandde1116

Ай бұрын

50 for 8.99$ wal mart,2024😮

Nice to a video super clear gel. Thanks

I prefer carrying 40gr solids r Federal punch because penetration with a 22LR is paramount I could care less about expansion. Tumbling of a solid will do just as much damage as a HP will and will penetrate farther most of the time. Solids for 22 LR.👍

Hahahah man, that was a cool find!!! Too cool , keep the videos coming guys !!

@thereloadingcraft

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! More coming soon! 😁

This was immensely intrerrstim!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I keep coming back to this video the past couple days! That Armscor stuff is incredible! Like wtf man!?! Please do more testing with that stuff cause its like scary cool for such a tiny round! Subbed btw, hoping to see more on it :)

@thereloadingcraft

Жыл бұрын

Think we might be able to arrange that! Also just got a 22 pistol recently, so we can compare performance between a rifle and a pistol length barrels.

@jakerook6248

Жыл бұрын

I really like the armscor stuff for effect on target, but it seems to be VERY sensitive to humidity. Got a brick, shot about 120rd, and put them up with my other .22 brands for a few months (spring in Ohio, black swamp region). Next time I used them, I experienced a 30% failure to fire, and the brass wash coating was rubbing off the rounds and leaving golden dust all over my firearms. All other brands in the same storage locker were just fine (Remington golden bullet, cci standard and mini mag, federal champion and auto match)

@ramonlijauco7563

11 ай бұрын

@@jakerook6248 Might I suggest drying the Armscor bullets out in the sun once in a while. Some of us do that to our bullets here in the Philippines. It can't hurt.

Removing bullets from gel blocks are easier using hemostats. Good video. Thanks

I have a Ruger 10-22 with a 30rd magazine loaded with stingers for home defense and this is why.... I first used the Stinger a year after it came out. Back in the mid 70's I've camped in the Black Hills with friends while stationed at Ellsworth AFB. I had a Winchester 190 that I often brought along for extra meat at times, usually rabbit. Once, on a riverbank, I tested the Stinger against the MiniMag. I shot twice into the packed mud there, almost clayish. First was the MiniMag. That round put a 2" diameter hole deep into the mud. Then came the Stinger. That round only went about 1-1½" into the mud, but that hole was around 6" in diameter. That clay-like mud flew everywhere getting mud on me, my rifle, a friend that was with me and also my rifle. I understand how the ballistics gel is used to simulate flesh but that mud gave me a lasting impression of the Stinger's potential. My point with the packed mud was that I thought the moisture content in the mud helped to mimic the effects of the Stinger on flesh w/blood a touch more than with the gel, IMO. I no longer own the 190 but I do have a Ruger 10/22 and it's available as one of our home defense arms. It's been my opinion that getting hit with the Stinger would be most likely be non-lethal but the wound would cause such excruciating pain that it would stop an assailant/intruder in their tracks. For that reason I trained my wife to go for the Ruder first, if possible. No kids so there is a round in the chamber but on safe. She trained well to simply push the safety and pull the trigger. Her training mantra is, "Push, pull, pull, pull and keep pulling until he's down and writhing." As far as ballistics gel and the .22, I think it has it's merits but I believe what I saw in that mud, with it's moisture like flesh, gave me more information than the gel in a home defense situation imo. As a side note, back to South Dakota for a minute, we often went shining rabbit in the Black Hills. Once, we stopped where there was a doe on the side of the road ahead of us. From the backseat I got out and rested the 190 across the roof of the car, steadied and took three shots, head-neck-chest. No rabbit that night but we all shared in the venison.

The stinger bounced back it actually went further. You have to measure the track not the bullet.

@thereloadingcraft

Жыл бұрын

Yep, I noticed. We do final resting position, not temporary track.

What aye video thanks dudes that round nose aguilla was up

I noticed you guys mentioned about wanting to maybe do a video with slow motion, most of the new phones have that option in the video camera. I have a Google pixel 6 pro, and it does slow motion video. And it does it very well 👌

@thereloadingcraft

Жыл бұрын

Yup, though I’m talking like thousand +FPS slo-mo. Most phones (and my GoPro) record at around 240 FPS on their slomo settings

Only problem I've found with armscor is reliability. Bought 1,000 and about 200 did not go pew. I used 2 pistols and 2 rifles. Probably about the first 25 I tried restriking multiple times in multiple guns. After that I got fed up with trying multiple strikes. Precision is good enough for cheap range fun and short range squirrels (about 3-4 MOA). Velocities were surprisingly consistent. If they didn't have a 20% failure rate, I'd stack it deep.

@thereloadingcraft

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. I was just testing some the other day and my friend was shooting them in his 10-22, myself in a Walther P22. I’m not sure if it’s the case wax they use or what, but on the FTF’s, they’d get stuck in the chamber on my P22 and required a knife to pry out of there.

@kurtstewart4638

10 ай бұрын

I have had bulk pack winchester f t f at about 15% rate of failure also.

@johnmikel5934

8 ай бұрын

Totally agree

22cal is what is and it has been around a long time for a reason it is a capable rd. I need a new 22 rifle thinking about a cheep rossi

2 words structural integrity

Using a polarized filter on your camera may help you beat the glare and see into your gel blocks better.

@thereloadingcraft

Жыл бұрын

Ooo that’s a good idea! I will see if I can find one! Thanks for the suggestion 👌🏻

Can you believe that just Baught a box of stingers 100 rnds fo $18. Man I miss the 90s

Fired out of a RIFLE (not pistol) I can share exactly was a 40 grain round nose .22 LR will do when fired into an adult human male. It'll punch a hole right through the sternum, and punch a hole through the thickest part of a major rib (near the spine) and then lodge itself into the "backstrap" muscle just under the skin. Of course, it tears up everything inside....to be specific: "Track: After perforating the skin and soft tissues of the chest, the bullet perforates the sternum at the level of the third rib, the medial upper lobe of the right lung, the anterior right pericardium, the proximal ascending aorta (creating a 1 inch jagged defect of the aortic wall), the anterior and posterior right atrial walls, the right pulmonary vein, the lateral right pericardium, the medial lower lobe of the right lung, exits the posterior lower lobe of the right lung, perforates the eighth intercostal muscle and ninth rib posteriorly, then penetrates into the right back skeletal muscle. Bullet Recovery: A distorted unjacketed bullet is recovered from the right back skeletal muscle approximately 18 inches below the top of the head and 2-1/2 inches right of midline. Track Summary: A. Entrance: central chest B. Track: sternum, upper lobe of right lung, pericardium, aorta, right atrium, right pulmonary vein, lower lobe of right lung, posterior eighth intercostal muscle and ninth rib, right back skeletal muscle; associated injuries include hemopericardium (400 milliliters), right hemothorax (1400 milliliters), blood within airways, alveoli, and stomach C. Bullet recovery: right back skeletal muscle D. Course and direction: front to back, from left to right, and downward This dude only made it 7 yards before collapsing face down and coughing up one of his lungs. Hit with a Ruger 10/22 firing a Remington gold pack 40 grain coated round nose. Homicide detectives said it's very rare to survive getting shot in the chest with SOLID nose .22 fired from a RIFLE...emphasis upon "rifle" and SOLID nose. Being shot by a .22 pistol is much more survivable.

@mazdaweeb3

2 ай бұрын

I know .22lr is no joke since I'm willing to carry one, but that's impressive. A handgun is still capable of doing serious damage though with the right ammo. Aguila Super Extras out of a 4 inch barrel are going 1070fps, and the Aguila Interceptors are even faster. Not quite the 1255 those Remingtons are advertised at out of a rifle, but still quite high.

@TexasBarnRats

2 ай бұрын

@@mazdaweeb3 Agreed. I guess the point I failed to make was that a .22 rifle with 40-grain SOLID point ammo can (and usually does) not only kill the perp, but stops them pretty quickly. In contrast, out of a pistol, it'll certainly kill them, but not quickly incapacitate & stop them like the rifle will. Still, I'm certainly not signing up to get shot with a .22 pistol! Can't carry a Ruger 10/22 in your pocket.

@mazdaweeb3

2 ай бұрын

@@TexasBarnRats Yeah. Solid point is definitely what you should use in a rifle, although handguns can't expand hollow points so the only downside is that they're lighter. Unfortunately, it's really luck of the draw whether any handgun will quickly drop someone, which is why I recommend .22lr for self defense, especially when there's great options now like the Keltec P17 and the Taurus TX22. Penetration and shot placement matter much more than diameter, and with .22lr you can get many more rounds accurately on target in the same time frame, so you're more likely to hit the nervous system, which is the only way instant drops happen.

The "Stanger" didn't want to be a bully.😂

"Tumbling is fun" -22lr RN

@thereloadingcraft

Жыл бұрын

Basically! 😂

I’m willing to bet those bullets are flipping end over end, which is why the wide cavity happens deeper into the gel, and how multiple ended up backwards.

@thereloadingcraft

Жыл бұрын

That would make sense.

@jamesclark6427

11 ай бұрын

They do. Roundnose bullets will generally tumble roughly one rotation in a soft medium. Especially when they're long for caliber and have a hemispherical point.

@jbrown6030

8 ай бұрын

They absolutely are. When 22 doesn't tumble it looks like an ice pick stab in the gel. It's really not much. In bone meat and flesh these 22s aren't going far at all.

No triple shock? Take hollow points and enlarge them with a (#1 phi) screwdriver tip. And try drill bit (reamer is better) to open up the hole. Thank you, loved this.

The larger blooms are tumbling, even though many stopped face forward. .22LR’s often tumble.

It would be a touch expensive, but would be fun to see them up against the Paul Harrell meat and fruit target.

@thereloadingcraft

Жыл бұрын

Oooo that it would! Let me talk to some people and see what we can do 😎

@MrRiorust

9 ай бұрын

My thoughts exactly!

ANY of those would have harvested small game like squirrels and rabbits. Although I prefer HP’s for more consistent expansion and I’ve harvested several large coyotes with subsonic HP’s. Nice test.

The wound channels from the Armscor looks like they tumbled and hemostats work best at pulling slugs out of ballistic gel without damaging the gel.

at what distance ?

There could be a difference in lead hardness causing the depth and expansion anomalies.

No expansion ...!That's why I switched to 22 WMR using gold dots that explode and drop everything it hits. For the 22lr I found the CCI segmented HP to be the most destructive on Fox! (Segmented opens up fast too!)

But I am guessing that you would want almost immediate wound cavity and as much as fast as possible. I would think if there is no expansion for 4 inches, it will exit before dumping much energy into a small game animal. Less effective, in my opinion. Your thoughts?

@thereloadingcraft

Жыл бұрын

I would agree with that 100%, think you’re exactly right. There isn’t much depth to a squirrel for instance so a quick-opening or quick deforming bullet is usually the best choice. ☺️

@TheParaxore

Жыл бұрын

Be interesting to see the results for 22 WMR

@thereloadingcraft

Жыл бұрын

If I can get my hands on some various listings for 22 WMR, we can test that! At the moment I only have Maxi-Mags, but if we can find some others that’s a viable testing option

@craigromack6156

Жыл бұрын

@thereloadingcraft I only have a chiappa 1873? Saa that has a magnum cylinder. So no mag yet

@jaypreston552

8 ай бұрын

I’d say yes and no - in reality if you are using the ammo to hunt squirrels for any purpose other than annihilating the squirrel or other small game, you are going to want a smaller cavity area so as not to completely destroy it. Since the animal is so small to begin with, it’s likely that if you hit it at all you will hit something vital. However, if you are using the rounds for defense or something larger, the larger cavity serves more purpose- plus it’s more likely the rounds will face more resistance than the gel (i.e. Bone) and thus not take 4-6 full inches to expand in that scenario.

👍

Faster bullet usually expand more and do not go as deep

@thereloadingcraft

Жыл бұрын

This is correct 👌🏻

What length barrel? Only reason I’m curious is because I’m getting a six inch rough rider for fun and curious on how it does

@thereloadingcraft

Жыл бұрын

These are out of a 16” rifle length barrel.

@yourmomma2995

Жыл бұрын

the 4.75" RR gets better velocity than the 6" and the 16" RR is actually the slowest.

@quigleypuffs

7 ай бұрын

That’s what she said

Just a suggestion, but a long pair of hemostats(spelling??🤷‍♂️) does a great job of removing bullets from gel.👍😄

@thereloadingcraft

8 ай бұрын

Ooo that’s a good idea! I’ll see if I can find a pair

That’s curious. I wonder why those bullets made such impressive wound channels for a .22.

What gun did you use? Barrel length? Important detail

@thereloadingcraft

Жыл бұрын

Ruger 10-22, 16” barrel.

what distant? how far was the gel away from the barrel?

@thereloadingcraft

Жыл бұрын

About 15-20 feet from the muzzle

How about the next time you set a ruler on top so we can see the distance

Are the tests being performed with a pistol or rifle and how far back?

@pron2043

11 ай бұрын

Nevermind, I see now a rifle is being used. I'd love to see the results from a pistol.

@thereloadingcraft

11 ай бұрын

Possibly coming up in the future!

Can you do a video on how to make the ballistic Jell?

@thereloadingcraft

Жыл бұрын

As in how to make it from scratch or how to remelt it? This is Clear Ballistics 10% gel, and while I melt it down after each use to re-use it, it’s factory made and doesn’t require refrigeration or break down like the various homemade organic options do.

@jtaebstratton1994

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the reply. I was under the impression the Jell was home made. My mistake on that. Where did you buy the Jell?

Try news paper soaked in water for a couple of days, or a meat target

Adding speed and loosing overall penetration is kinda common on expanding rounds.

@thereloadingcraft

Жыл бұрын

Yup, hence why 22 rounds like the Federal Punch exist, or projectiles like the Lehigh defense Extreme defenders

man. nice no Punch !

@thereloadingcraft

4 ай бұрын

When I released this video punch was either not released yet or impossible to get. I do have a dedicated video on the performance of Punch in gel however! Check out my main videos page and you’ll find it

@markcollins5026

4 ай бұрын

Man, I recently got a box of Stingers and Federal Punch, I'm going out in the next day or so and try them out !

what gun was used for test?

@thereloadingcraft

Жыл бұрын

Standard Ruger 10-22. Great question, realized I forgot to put it in the details

@snunz5087

Жыл бұрын

@@thereloadingcraft yea no prob can u make another video like this with a handgun? just to see how much of a difference there is

@thereloadingcraft

Жыл бұрын

@@snunz5087 we considered it, however at the moment I do not have a .22 handgun. Eventually hoping to pick one up as a training pistol, but it may be a bit until I do.

@yourmomma2995

Жыл бұрын

@@thereloadingcraft $100 rough rider would do the trick. go with 4.75 barrel as it has the best velocity of all barrel lengths. lots of chrono tests of different barrel lengths on youtube, they all show the same results.

@thereloadingcraft

Жыл бұрын

Ended up getting a Walther P22 a while back, so we could revisit if there was enough interest. I’ve handed the rough riders and they’re okay-ish? Multiple ones I’ve seen with quality issues, and the fit and finish hasn’t impressed me, even for a $100 22LR revolver. I think the Ruger Wrangler is a better quality option for just a bit more money

Was this out of a rifle or pistol

What gun and barrel length

@thereloadingcraft

Жыл бұрын

Ruger 10/22, 16” barrel

You guys went through all these different bullets, then you dig them out and don’t keep track of which bullet is which. ……….your FIRED!

What was you shooting rifle or handgun

@thereloadingcraft

3 ай бұрын

16” rifle

Do I hear a Midwest Uff Da there? At the end.

@thereloadingcraft

29 күн бұрын

Maybe 😂

That would kill a deer no problem with head shot 😮

@jessepitt

6 ай бұрын

Yup, no problem.

You still having luck with the armscor

A 22 comes out the barrel around 1200 fps what on God's green earth makes anyone think the lethality isn't high with these is beyond me, and the first two rounds went the same depth the second one bounced back further all leaving a cavitation devastating enough to destroy an organ! Why anyone is still trying to show what they can do just shows the lack of intelligence of some people.

You should use a rifle. They produce higher velocities than pistols. Let me know if you have any questions.

@thereloadingcraft

7 ай бұрын

These are all tested out of a 16” barrel rifle

Maybe use a piece of denim jeans in front of the gel to act like animal skin then determine if the results are the same.

If you stir your gel a few times after 4+ hrs in the oven all those bubbles will come out

@thereloadingcraft

Жыл бұрын

Yup 👌🏻 This was an early re-melt that I did before I had the process perfected.

@DisgustedGenXr

Жыл бұрын

@@thereloadingcraft exactly what and how I figured it out. Lol

@thereloadingcraft

Жыл бұрын

Haha, it’s fun stuff and makes it nice to see the terminal performance for sure!

@DisgustedGenXr

Жыл бұрын

@@thereloadingcraft apparently my wife bought me a new chrono (lost other one in flood). I was going to do 300BLK and .223. I do not know how to edit. Maybe ill send you the videos and you can edit it and post it. Just voice over it?

@thereloadingcraft

Жыл бұрын

Shoot me an email and I’ll see what I can do for ya! ☺️ My email is on the main channel page

Do another video at 50yrds to a 100yrds from a bench for accuracy and to be more realistic for shooting varmints.. the distance you used is more for a pistol, used in self-defense, not a rifle.. most of the rounds didn't have much expansion, if any.. that's what gives you your terminal ballistics and makes your damage path or wound channel..

@thereloadingcraft

8 ай бұрын

Not a bad idea, and honestly one we could do! Thanks for the suggestion!

No federal punch…. Scared?!?!

@thereloadingcraft

9 ай бұрын

Tested that in its own special video, up on the channel!

“Comparatively speaking”

for God's sake! Put a ruler next to the gel so we know how far it's traveled.

Don't care what you say, I wouldn't want to get hit by a .22

Getting shot AT ALL is NOT GOOD. .22 IS THE KING

Y'all need to work on the audio

You're wearing hearing protection for a .22? 🙄

@SteamboatSipho

9 ай бұрын

22 lr has an average decibel level of 140 decibels. With permanant hearing loss happening at 85 decibels or higher, I'd consider hearing protection a very prudent decision. At least for anyone who wants to be able to hear still by the time they're in their 40s.

@thereloadingcraft

9 ай бұрын

Yes hearing protection for a 22. Ivan’s comment is correct as well. Especially .22 out of a short pistol barrel, you get a bark comparable to a standard 9mm, and it will very easily make your ears ring after a single shot if you don’t have earpro.

@jessepitt

6 ай бұрын

Yup, I have several .22 pistols and half dozen rifles. Only my very long barrel Remington is tolerable to shoot without hearing protection. The revolvers will definitely make your ears ring.

@maximilianmustermann5763

3 ай бұрын

@@jessepitt And "tolerable" doesn't mean you should do it! I'm wearing double ear-pro for every caliber (plugs under my active over-ears) because I still need my hearing. I know a guy who needed hearing aids since his late thirties because he was a metal drummer in his youth and probably thought the cool guys don't need hearing protection. But once it's gone, it's never coming back!

@jessepitt

3 ай бұрын

@@maximilianmustermann5763 To be honest, I am 43 and have pretty bad hearing due to a lifetime of loud machinery, tools, engines and firearms. I am not a good example to follow.

I’ll take bigger channel over penetration alllll day.

How many .22 gel test videos do we need? I think you guys have beaten it to death. There must be hundreds of them by now. Give it a rest and do something new. BTW, the .22 rimfire was originally invented for self defense in 1857. And it wasn't the LR. That came later. It was the Short invented for self defense, and they were right about it 167 years ago.