If you think I was "in denial, delusional, or crazy" in this video you gon hate me in this one LOL. LeBron > Jordan : kzread.info/dash/bejne/dIeEptmgdqzVlJs.html

@Schubertz08

2 жыл бұрын

Nothing to hate, we just feel sorry for you. You can't digest facts and it's ok. Bron is never gonna catch up even if he plays 30 years.

@RetrieverTrainingAlone

2 жыл бұрын

2022 LeBron seems to run out of gas when a closer was needed in Feb/Mar/April: Feb 12, loss to Warriors, Lebron misses clutch free throw to end the game: kzread.info/dash/bejne/m6qY1ZmaetnZYsY.html Feb 16, up by 3 points with a minute left, LeBron throws up a brick, missing from inside the paint : kzread.info/dash/bejne/rJqipZmEZ5aXZKw.html Feb 25 loss to Clippers, down by 1 with 8 seconds left, LeBron has the ball, instead of getting fouled, throws it to Melo for a low percentage shot: kzread.info/dash/bejne/maylztGeotbaYKg.html March 1, against the Mavericks. Afraid he might have to shoot clutch free throws, LeBron throws the ball away: kzread.info/dash/bejne/eX6hutx8pdG8hKg.html LeBron shoots an airball from 3-point range to end the game: kzread.info/dash/bejne/pqKr29tqg8qXfag.html March 10 against the Rockets,with game tied 120-120, 20 seconds left, LeBron misses a clutch shot in the paint: kzread.info/dash/bejne/gJZ7rpulfdPSg7w.html Then LeBron misses clutch free throw. Then 5 seconds left game tied, instead of going strong and getting fouled, throws out to Melo. kzread.info/dash/bejne/gJZ7rpulfdPSg7w.html March 18, game tied at 105, LeBron stands still instead of protecting the rim against a Barnes drive kzread.info/dash/bejne/aKB_0LSTfLXFfNo.html Ten seconds left down by 3 116-113 Westbrook makes the clutch 3 pointer 2 seconds left in overtime, LeBron once again misses a free throw: kzread.info/dash/bejne/aKB_0LSTfLXFfNo.html March 20, against the Wizards, 1:50 left, down by 1 point, LeBron throws the ball away then down by 3 116-119 with 1 minute left, LeBron misses a 3-pointer to tie, go.nba.com/h0p34 The 33 seconds left, LeBron misses another 3 pointer go.nba.com/m2d5i March 27, against Pelicans, LeBron had a bad end of the game, 0 points, 0 rebounds 0 assists in the last 4 minutes of the game. Down by 1 105-106,(3:41) Lebron misses 3 pointer go.nba.com/kw94c Down 105-111 (2 minutes left) Lebron misses 29 footer, then gets drive blocked go.nba.com/50fon Down 108-113 (51 secs) Lebron misses 3 pointer go.nba.com/luhmb April 2, against Pelicans, LeBron had 0 points last 4 minutes Down by 1, at 3:19 LeBron misses 14-foot two point shot Tie score, at 2:35, LeBron give Ingram an easy shot kzread.info/dash/bejne/pnqnlc1shqnUj7w.html Down by 4, at 1:42 LeBron turnover kzread.info/dash/bejne/dZN5stendNKWgMY.html Down by 4, at 1:00 LeBron drive blocked by Ingram kzread.info/dash/bejne/dZN5stendNKWgMY.html Down by 3, 4.9 second left, shot to tie, Lebron shoots air ball kzread.info/dash/bejne/dZN5stendNKWgMY.html LeBron seemed to run out of gas when a closer was needed during crunch time.

@mikerobinson6969

2 жыл бұрын

If after seeing all these facts put in front of you and you still hold on to the delusion that LeBron is the goat then your opinion is disregarded. If he's your favorite player then cool but that still shouldnt outway the stats and facts put in front of you. You talk about him doing LeBron dirty, well guess what if Lebron didnt do those things like flop, cry foul EVERY shot, or sandbag on defense then there'd be nothing to show or bring up.

@mpound97

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikerobinson6969 Well the queen is delusional so what do you think his sheep are?

@dewaynephillips823

2 жыл бұрын

@@RetrieverTrainingAlone That’s been his whole career 😂😂

You’re experiencing, what we call in psychology, cognitive dissonance. It’s a discomfort of feeling your view of the world being throughly dubunked. No one likes that feeling, which is why many people will resort to making excuses, explaining etc in order to stop feeling that discomfort. You can’t make a valid point in how Lebron is a better player than Jordan.

@mrblob5413

2 жыл бұрын

@Rheumattica yes it is.

@mrblob5413

2 жыл бұрын

@Rheumattica yes it is.

@garymonaghan7196

2 жыл бұрын

I love this perfectly said

@chuckg9731

2 жыл бұрын

On point!

@kuhfusskatsadventures

2 жыл бұрын

Cognitive dissonance is holding two contradictory view points at the same time

MJ literally has accomplished Brons entire 19 yr career from 88-93

@mpound97

2 жыл бұрын

The difference in accomplishments between MJ and lebron is a HOF career in itself.

@redtesta

2 жыл бұрын

facts

@whenisdinner2137

Жыл бұрын

@@mpound97 first ballot Hall of Fame as well.

@ciarrajohnson3849

Жыл бұрын

He did it all with his tongue out♥️♥️

I'm from Ohio. There is nothing in this world that would please me more than to say an Ohio boy is the greatest bball player of all time. But if I did it would be a lie. I've been a lebron fan since his highschool days. But Jordan is flat better and it's not debatable for anyone who has seen them both play

@stevenguevara2184

2 жыл бұрын

People who didnt watch MJ just cant imagine

@206AllDay

2 жыл бұрын

Facts. They have no idea the impact he had on the entire sports world. Everyone wanted to be like Mike.

@rmelo2382

2 жыл бұрын

@@stevenguevara2184 im 23 i was born after jordan retired the 2nd time . i can tell you just from looking at the tape available , as an avid hooper i can tell you mjs game is indescribable, he had just this aura of invincibility which lebron never had or will have . lebron is great but there’s levels to this shit and as of right now no one compares to jordan except maybe kobe and even kobe (as much i love him) couldn’t replicate that type of mystique and dominance

@Zack-yl1qf

2 жыл бұрын

Finally someone else who understands. I'm not even from Ohio. But idk why current LeBron fans label me a hater for saying MJ the goat. Like I wasn't a bigger fan of LeBron than I've ever been of MJ. But I figure you know what I'm talking about if you ever engage with his current fans.

@mikewarrior3718

2 жыл бұрын

Tell the truth and shame the devil fr fr

Yea man, you struggling my dude...the only argument for lebron you seem to have is an emotional one. That's a tough spot to be in when you're facing so many irrefutable facts, and trying not to cap.

@redtesta

2 жыл бұрын

that is this generation , emotions and opinons lol. Facts dont care about either.

@JBCCT01

2 жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly. The numbers don't lie. Emotions do. Plus, LeBron is a routine quitter.

@qwettttttt

2 жыл бұрын

I bet he hasent even watched a single game of jordans. My dads about 60 now, loves sports, pretty athletic himself. And the dude really liked basketball. I asked him once if watching lebron was like watching jordan, pops said "not even close" 😂😂. Id also like to point out, is sports is about mental domination. And if you watch lebron play, he cant do that consistently. Jordan did every damn second hes awake lmao. In an era of real men. I just dont understand how this is even a discussion. Id say kobe to jordan would be a more apt comparison

@JBCCT01

2 жыл бұрын

@@qwettttttt well said.

@qwettttttt

2 жыл бұрын

@@JBCCT01 🙏 these lebum dick riders just dont understand. Id also like to point out, alot of lebum dick riders, havent even watched a jordan game lol. Or they dont actually know anything about his career. Which to me is insane. Ive seen a couple of these reactions who didnt even know jordan only played 13 seasons. Which ends this whole thing. Jordan is statistically better in every catagory, while playing 4 to 5 years less. Like hello?? Lmao. How do you even refute that?? You cant

Funny as hell his reaction as the stats rolled over him while he still trying to cling to LeBron. 😆

@mpound97

2 жыл бұрын

He's young. He doesn't know how to feel after a comprehensive and thorough unbiased video of his idol getting trashed. He claimed a few times that the narrator presenting the video was showing bias towards MJ but he wasn't. Any person who decides to comb over both players careers will see the same shit the man said in the video. You can't omit the bad about lebron when it's so plain to see. And as the years go on, lebron will just be stat padding but not winning anything.

@shaundarenee1319

2 жыл бұрын

Right tho😂😂 Bless his heart lol

@carmeloeverhart6377

2 жыл бұрын

Had me dying

@MrMinceProductionsInc

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂

@MrMinceProductionsInc

2 жыл бұрын

Bro “I’m My Heart” Naw fam the stats tell it all.

Yes Jordan did get cooked at times but did Jordan ever slack on defense? That's the argument.

@mpound97

2 жыл бұрын

And when MJ got cooked, which wasn't often, this what happens afterwards. The media makes a huge deal about it and the next time MJ plays that guy/team, he's going for 50.

@algladyou

2 жыл бұрын

Right? He wasnt underperforming nor slacking. His team was getting cooked.

@Kingstyles05

2 жыл бұрын

@@mpound97 True. Harold Minor was having a meteoric rise in the NBA until his second game against Jordan. His entire will was broken in that game.

@dennisgreen4189

2 жыл бұрын

SLack on defense, he never slacked period

@abriaangel9986

2 жыл бұрын

Or quit on his team? Never.

MJ has no equal Jordan on Offense 30.1ppg for his career, most in NBA history 33.4ppg career playoffs average, most in NBA history 33.6ppg in 6 Finals appearances, most in NBA history 41.0ppg in a Finals series, most in NBA history 10 Scoring titles, most in NBA history 10 seasons with 2,000+ points, most in NBA history Jordan with Analytics PER (Player Efficiency Rating): Highest in history for both the regular season (27.91) and the playoffs. (28.6) Win Shares per 48 (WS/48): Highest in history for both the regular season (.2505) and the playoffs (.2553) Box plus Minus: Highest in history for both the regular season (9.22) and the playoffs (11.14) VORP per Game: Highest in history for both the regular season (.1083) and the playoffs(.1382) Jordan on Defense He was the first player in history to be selected to 9 All Defensive First teams. He was the first player in history to get 200 steals and 100 blocks in a season, it has still only been done by 3 players. (Michael did it twice). He was the steals leader 3 times. He's the only guard in history, relative to his position, both in the Top 5 for blocks and Top 5 for steals. He was the defensive Player of the Year and Scoring Champion in the same year, the only player in history to accomplish this. His 131 blocks for the 1988 season is still the most blocks in a season by a guard in NBA history.

MJ played 15 seasons. Lebron is playing in his 19th and still so far from equalling whatever Jordan accomplished. MJ accomplished more in less time.

@reg4321

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, and in a harder era. Jordan played big in an era of the center and power forward in the NBA. The same cannot be said for Lebron.

@Taj_Rahine

2 жыл бұрын

Really he only played 13 full seasons. He broke his foot in '86 causing him to miss almost the whole regular season, and he only played 17 regular season games in '95 when he came back from his first retirement.

@rmelo2382

2 жыл бұрын

@@reg4321 please don’t use the harder era argument it just disproves what you’re trying to say . yes jordan is better and its very clear to see (i didn’t even watch him in his prime live) but eras change and that’s not to say one era was “harder” than the other .

@Zack-yl1qf

2 жыл бұрын

@@rmelo2382 According to the offensive and defensive efficiencies between the two era's, MJs era's version of the game resulted in better defense. Doesn't mean the players played better. Or teams scored less. Players were more efficient at defense in that era and less efficient at offense. Which makes Jordan's offensive efficiency all the more impressive. In a version of the game where defenses were more efficient than offenses, MJ put up a better offensive efficiency than KD, Steph, and Dame. Not just LeBron.

It's never been close imo. It's telling to me that the vast majority of people that actually watched Jordan play in his day don't claim Lebron is better.

@redtesta

2 жыл бұрын

this generation tries to make it close just like shannon sharpe and others.. they all try to erase the past and only want what is current in their generation.. sad if you ask me. We had nothing but respect for previous generations but now and these millennials.. smh

Bron is an all around offensive player. Michael was elite on both sides of the ball, offensive and defense so one can say he's the better true all around player.

@justinreckers161

2 жыл бұрын

Why is LBJ a better offensive player? MJ had no weaknesses. He dunked on everyone, best post player, all time great shooter, great passer (just wasn’t required to pass), great rebounder too. He made his teammates better too. Just look at LA now.

@ijamorris3449

2 жыл бұрын

@@justinreckers161 you may want to go read what I said. I said he's an all around offensive player. Not a better offensive player than Mike. Mike is on another level on both offense and defense. There's no comparison. I said because Mike was elite on both ends meaning MIKE is the true all around better player.

@justinreckers161

2 жыл бұрын

@@ijamorris3449 Haha!! I feel dumb now. 😂

@ijamorris3449

2 жыл бұрын

@@justinreckers161 🤣🤣🤣

@MALLYGEEZ1

2 жыл бұрын

Mj is a better all around player in my opinion. He avg 11.4 assist in his first finals. And the 24 games he played point in 88. He showed what he could do if needed. And he still played elite D as well. His first 3 peat numbers are just crazy.

You saying accomplishments go to LeBron hands down made me absolutely LMFAO 🤣

@yawtsa8743

2 жыл бұрын

Sad thing is they consider LeBron losing to the Finals as one of his greatest achievements.

I don't see a problem with acknowledging that Jordan is the GOAT but LeBron is your favorite player. On the one hand, just because someone is considered the GOAT doesn't mean he has to be your favorite player. On the other hand, just because someone is your favorite player doesn't mean he is the GOAT.

@MrJoaquinnavarro

Жыл бұрын

that's thrue

What if I told you that there was a player who scored better than Durant, passed like Lebron, defended better than Kawhi, finished like kyrie, handles and agility like D. Rose, Killer instinct better than Kobe and could dunk like Zach Levine. You guys wouldn't believe it. But I watched him, he existed. His name is Michael Jordan.

@jeffx40

2 жыл бұрын

Well put. Though he dunked way better than Levine in game, Vince is a better comparison.

Before you watched the video you already had your mind made up. Come on bruh. "To me?" "I feel?" You in your feelings despite observable reality. Also, Jordan was NOT getting cooked. He's 9 time All defensive team with a defensive player of the year in the same year he led the league in scoring at over 37 ppg. Think about that. Come on bruh. Lol!

@Thomas94500

2 жыл бұрын

Well said

How is he disrespecting Lebron when he’s stating all facts

It's not possible to overcome the stats presented. Good reaction and seeing a childhood hero with adult eyes is difficult.

This is what you call denial. Straight facts…nope! That guy’s crazy! Lol

It is definitely true that the author of this video is obviously a MJ fan. He added some dirty clips of Lebron flopping. Honestly, though, he was going to throw in some video of Jordan flopping as well. He just couldn't find any.

@cursin

Жыл бұрын

You can’t just say he’s an mj fan you would have to ask even if he was you can’t deny all he was saying was facts

@MrJoaquinnavarro

Жыл бұрын

the stats is there..accept the thruth mj is the real goat

@thesurvivorofhathsin8486

Жыл бұрын

@@MrJoaquinnavarro I'm sorry. I didn't see in my comment where I said that MJ wasn't the goat. Oh, that's right. I didn't say that. I grew up watching the Bulls and MJ has always been the goat to me. But it is possible for the stats and comments he was making to be total fact and for him to STILL be biased toward MJ. So, if you want to re-read what I actually wrote, I would appreciate it! Cheers! 👍👍

They always evolve to “awww…he must be a Jordan fan”. Maybe he is…but is what he saying true? That tells you everything you need to know.

Think about this... Michael Jordan played 11 full seasons for the Chicago Bulls and delivered 6 Championships with 6 Finals MVPs. His team produced Two 3-peats! If his father hadn't been murdered or if the team would have been kept in tact after 98', they would have won at least 2 more championships. He lead the league in scoring in 10 of those seasons. MJ was 9x 1st team All-Defense including a DPOY award in '88, 5x MVP, and 6x Finals MVP. LeBron played 11 full seasons for the Cavs and delivered 1 Championship and 1 Finals MVP.

@MrKurtykurt

2 жыл бұрын

You stole my argument bro! Haha jp but I make that argument about the Cavs all the time. I was born in ‘86 in the Cle area and the Cavs of the early 90s were my first love. Naturally, in 2003 when we drafted Lebron, I was no doubt rooting for him to be better than MJ. If back then, someone from the future told me Lebron would be better than Jordan and the Cavs had him for 11 healthy seasons my first question would be “How many finals do we win? 7? 8?!?” ….I could even be convinced if he only won 4 in 11 seasons with the Cavs. But 1/11 vs 6/11? I’d have to be like “Listen man from the future, I dunno how they rate players in the 2020’s, but come talk to me when we get a guy that can win us more than 1 title before you start telling me they’re better than Michael Jordan….My favorite sports team of all time was stomped out of historical existence by MJ, except for that stupid fucking god damn shot over Greg Skee-lo

@lb3645

2 жыл бұрын

MJ is god

@nathanmckenzie904

2 жыл бұрын

Don't forget 10 scoring titles

You really don't understand what he means when he says its easy to get to the rim. In the 80s and 90s you didn't get fouled... For almost anything. You could hit a guy in a way that would've landed you a jail sentence if done off the court and still not be fouled. Add to that the fact that it was the era of "big men" defence. If LeBron tried to get to the rim against someone like Bill Laimbeer, he would get an elbow in his throat and sit out the rest of the quarter... And he might not even have gotten a free throw for it. Today you get fouled for looking at someone the wrong way, sure... But it's WAY easier to get to the rim.

@qwettttttt

2 жыл бұрын

I feel like his argument is more so on the speed side of the game. Id say the games faster now which makes it harder becuase of the recovery speed of defenders. But i 100 percent agree with you on the physicality apsect. Lebron would drive in 3 times, get sat the fuck down hard. Then necer attempt a layup for the rest of his career lmao.

@boballab

2 жыл бұрын

@@qwettttttt There is footage (not in this vis) that shows Jordan driving to the rim and getting hit with an elbow from Mahorn in the forehead, Lambieer elbow to the chest and Salley grabbing him from behind tackling him. 1 foul called and it wasn't a Flagrant, no technical and he didn't even go to the line, they had to take the throw in. Do that shit today there is at least one Flagrant 2 and someone tossed. Lebron has a tough time handling todays inside game the Bad Boys would have wrung him out.

@qwettttttt

2 жыл бұрын

@@boballab this is another reason careers where shorter. I dont think lebron survives in that kind of environment for 20 seasons.

@boballab

2 жыл бұрын

@@qwettttttt It isn't just that. There is a lot more players today going straight from High School to the NBA. Take the Lebron/MJ comparison, MJ played 3 years of college ball where as LBJ went straight to the NBA out of High School. That doesn't even include the years MJ missed between his two 3peat runs. So all those "more" years for Lebron is because of those two things.

If the aliens came down and I had to draft a team with all current and former NBA players in their prime, Lebron wouldn’t even be a starter, much less getting picked first.

@normanlee725

2 жыл бұрын

To answer Nick Wright's question... One game to save humanity against aliens. And you have past and present players at their prime to draft. The first pick will be MJ. Why? You know for a fact that he will play 100% on both ends of the court, always and not slacking and just standing around. His drive to win will be the catalyst to move every other great to be at his level of excellence.

@chicken8139

2 жыл бұрын

Now thats just disrespect. Lebron > Any SF

@NikoBonesProductions

2 жыл бұрын

@@chicken8139 I'm taking bird

@jeffspain3613

2 жыл бұрын

@@chicken8139 Disagree 100%. Lebron has benefitted from a pro offense NBA and cherry picking his teams, and he still missed the playoffs.

@lightninggaming016

Жыл бұрын

​@@chicken8139 bron wouldn't even get picked first

Watched them both play and although LJ is a great player MJ was just another level. That guy was a devil on both sides of the court and never slacked, not even when he had the flu.

When he says he still thinks Lebron is the better all around player, he probably just means he is his favorite player. My favorites are Magic and Kobe but stats and feelings don’t mix. I can concede that Jordan is Goat.

Funny that damn near everyone who actually saw them both play agrees that mj is the goat and its not close...there's prolly a reason we feel that way

I see you’re in denial but it’s understandable because you only seen LeBron play but for the people that seen Jordan and Lebron play know the truth and that is Jordan is the goat hands-down 🐐

36:00 "I aint gonna say nuthin. I aint gonna say nuthin." - Smartest thing you said this whole video, bro. LoL

EVERYONE starts their career in MJs shadow.

@bradjpeter

2 жыл бұрын

And ends it there too

Wow, my guy. You struggled on this one. MJ has always been the goat. Always will be. Don't fight reality.

Everybody always says LBJ should have more awards but guess what so should MJ he lost out on MVPs because of voter fatigue, they needed to premote other players!

@mpound97

2 жыл бұрын

And Jordan left in his prime for a year and a half.

LBJ didn't carry those teams that went to the finals 8 times in a row he carried 1 team the last team! Before that he had massive amounts of help! They may not have all been healthy but they did play and contribute heavily to the teams success also nobody talks about all the injuries MJ Bulls teams suffered because they won! But Scottie Pippen had injuries throughout those runs! Dennis had injuries and fell off majorly, And MJ was the only All Star on his 98 championship team they still Won! LBJ fans because they watched him they give all these excuses not realizing the same excuses could be given to MJ teams! The difference is victory! They think those teams were healthy because they won but that isn't the case!

@jamesbelleza5377

2 жыл бұрын

FACTS! Although the team where I could truly say without a shadow of a doubt that Lebron carried a team was the 2007 Finals. Other than that it was all about recruiting/begging superstars to join him just for him to reach the finals and even then he had lost more than he won

@letarivera203

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesbelleza5377 Yea he definitely carried that team but that team wasn't a part of the 8 straight appearances, that team and the LA team were out liers in his 10 appearances. And if we keeping it a buck AD carried LA to the finals. That season was without a doubt AD best and he was phenomenal led the team in every stat but assists. LBJ deserved Finals MVP but AD carried the team up to that point! That being said the last run with Cleveland LBJ did some extremely heavy lifting! To be honest I think LBJ mentality holds him back more than anybody cares to admit! They rather make excuses for him instead of pointing out that we watched him quit more than once! Because no one in the GOAT debate has ever been demolished in the playoffs the way LBJ was in the Finals against the Spurs. Not MJ vs the Celtics! Not Wilt vs the Celtics! Not Kobe vs the Celtics! I mean no other player in the top 10 has ever been so definitively destroyed at any level in the playoffs regardless of the odds! And a lot of that has to do with the media and fans letting him off the hook for losing! I think he is content to just pad his stats and claim that makes him the best! Sorry but it don't work that way ask anybody if they would take Bill Russell's 10 rings or Wilt Chamberlain's unbeatable records and 9 out of 10 times they'll say they want the Championship! LBJ is great and when his career is over he will stand on an Island alone in career stats but MJ stands on his own planet! By every metric MJ is the greatest NBA player we've ever seen!

The real question is.. In a finals series, championship and superteam on the line.. Can Lebron stop Jason Terry? LMFAO

@xtrasolido

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

5:32 you can also said that to MJ. That charles barkley MVP and malone mvp, mj should have got that but due to voters fatigue they didnt.

@Spaniard711

2 жыл бұрын

They also have one to magic that should have gone to jordan

Dude is lost out here 😂😂😂 when looking objectively, you have to take your pride and ego out of it, in order to make honest assessments

Numbers don't lie. LeBron is an amazing player, maybe the best of his Era. Steph Curry belongs in that convo with all the winning he's done. But all time Jordan's the best to do it. Followed by Bird

@thinkcritically6373

2 жыл бұрын

🎯

@jeffspain3613

2 жыл бұрын

Straight facts. Jordan played with so many of the greatest players at their position of all time and he stood alone. Lebron has competition for the top spot in just this era. We don't call this the Lebron era...

Awesome video brother. I love LBJ and Jordan. Both good players in their era's and very good role models. But if they were both going for a job interview for same role, MJs resume is untouchable bro.

@Ari19904

Ай бұрын

Good players? That’s a huge understatement bro 😂

I’m just saying LeBron would still be LeBron back then But he will not make 8 straight NBA finals.

@chikushodiz91

2 жыл бұрын

lol you he wouldn’t be lebron then he would be scared shitless to go in the paint I don’t know if you you know this lever on hates physicality

@jeffspain3613

2 жыл бұрын

I disagree. I think he'd have a more difficult time with the officiating and big bodies from the 90's.

Now this reaction has me crying😂😂😂 MJ "GOAT".

@questionableidentity1

2 жыл бұрын

😆

Ma man it's hard to argue with a person in denial specialy when you have the facts staring you right in your face. You can say this guy doesn't like Lebron all you want, but you can't deny his argument is based entirely on the numbers which eliminates biased claims. Every part of this analisis is based on pure numbers just like Bron fans like it and the fact is it's not even close.

There is a big difference between who is your favorite player & who is the better player. Jordan is not my favorite player; but LeBron is clearly not better than him.

I get it. It's hard to watch a childhood hero be gone over with a fine-toothed comb like that. Heck, I grew up in the era of 1980s Celtics, growing up in New England. For me, the Bird, DJ, Parish, and McHale were the thing. I would have bet you dimes to dollars Bird was the GOAT, being a childhood hero. But, time passes, you grow and mature, and you have to accept facts. Bird and Magic were surpassed by MJ, and the only player to come close to him was Kobe. It's like in the sport of Ice Hockey, I make people's hackles rise when I tell them that Gretzky is NOT the GOAT in the sport. Bobby Orr was. To assess which one was better, you have to set hero worship aside and do the math. Moreover, the only reason why Bird didn't have MJ's numbers was because he had some guy named Magic against whom he played. The only reason why Magic didn't have MJ's numbers was because he had some guy named Bird against whom he played. MJ had those numbers because, for the majority of his career, there was no Bird or Magic against whom he played. Look, I'm not saying it's wrong to look up to LeBron. The fact he is a famous commodity in the NBA speaks volumes about his skill as a player; you don't get there by being a slouch. May LeBron make the Hall with all the deserved accolades that come with it. But, facts don't lie. Lebron compared to the rest of the players in the NBA, he stands head and shoulders above all who played, and he will go to the Hall, no question; something which the vast majority of NBA players will NEVER do. However, in a direct comparison with MJ, not only does he not measure up, BUT NEITHER DOES THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE NBA IN HISTORY EITEHR. Don't feel bad if LeBron doesn't measure up. It's okay. Many great players don't measure up to MJ.

@V12BenzAMG

2 жыл бұрын

so glad to see someone mention Kobe...for some reason he always gets looked over...I'd have Kobe over Lebron any day...killer instinct = intimidation and wins! Lebron is just a good player...not a storm coming in to win at all costs. Bird and Kobe over Lebron (and I've seen them ALL play full seasons...not just highlight vids)

@chuckg9731

2 жыл бұрын

Correction... Malone, Barkley, David Robinson are all time greats, so was Hakeem. They would've been just as revered as Magic and Bird if they would've won. Jordan didn't let them when he played. That's the difference.

Lmaoooooooo I love how the guy is PROVING EVERYTHING with the numbers and you're calling him crazy. Lol this is why nobody takes Lebron fans seriously.

Emotional damage

It’s perfectly ok to have a personal favorite player ☺️. It’s not the same as being the GOAT. You don’t even have to like Jordan to acknowledge his skills and accomplishments as a player. But still think that LeBron is the “best” player. Objectively, one guy is a little bit better than the rest. In your heart, it could be someone else. In my opinion.

Here’s a fact for you. In the finals lebron has played against 8 top 75 players Jordan played against 7. So the competition is the same. Also the east was stronger back than in Jordan’s playing time. Also Jordan only played with 2 other top 75 players, James played with 5 I believe or 6. Only commenting this cause of the competition thing. James is great but the competition they faced is about the same in the finals. James had more help too

Great reaction! I watched MJ with the Bulls when I was a young buck and watch Lebron now as well. Lebron is a great player but the game has changed so much that it is difficult to compare the two on the same terms but I gotta say that MJ was something special that we might never see again. The game now is a bit soft in my opinion. Would love it if you did a reaction to MJ's mixtape. Them highlights are amazing and only a tiny sliver of what he was doing every night kzread.info/dash/bejne/hYmjmtWkd9nSXbQ.html

To be the better all around player then you need to include defense!!! The only skill in basketball that James has over Jordan is assists!!! That's it period!!! James isn't messing with Jordan!!! You said Jordan never had to start in his own shadow. No he didn't, but he did have to start in Dr J, Kareem, Magic Johnson and Larry Birds shadows

@fitzroymarcano4565

2 жыл бұрын

Well said

@curtayars7344

2 жыл бұрын

@@fitzroymarcano4565 thank you sir

Being old enough to say I have watched them both play throughout their careers nothing in this video caught me by surprise. I wanted Bron to be the next best thing and he really was but you can't be compared to MJ when you lose 6 finals. Both are 1 of a kind players but Jordan is damn near untouchable in the GOAT argument whether it's fair or not his accomplishments are unmatched.

Here's the thing there's a huge difference between facts and feelings, and Jordan's stats beat out LeBron, YOU can't argue with facts because it will make you a fool

Bron came in earlier than Jordan, plus MJ’s time away is what gives LeBron a lead in total points. Who’s Robert Horry “Big Shot Bob”? Do you only know the LeBron era?

@Ari19904

Ай бұрын

Funny how it’s always the young kids who never saw Jordan play think Lebron is the goat 😂

Lebron is your guy. Nothing wrong with that. He is this generations’ player, and has been an amazing role model. MJ was just a freak of nature, and it’s going to be near impossible for another player to dethrone him from being the GOAT. The bar has been set so high by Jordan, it’s really unfair to try and ask a player today to do what he did. I don’t think it’s a slight to Lebron to say “You are the 2nd best basketball player in the history of the world.” 2nd only to Black Jesus. That’s hella great.

i can respect your personal truth, to say that LeBron is just that dude for you. but this video was about facts, and the objective truth here is that there really is no debate on whether who between them is the goat. and objective truths are true no matter what anyone thinks. MJ wins, period.

I grew up and had the pleasure of watching both men play. I must say, LBJ doesn't even come close to MJ (just by the eye test alone). I enjoyed your reaction because of how honest you were being. But I noticed your spirit breaking as your prédictions of who you believed would be on top in each category, were slowly revealed as incorrect. LBJ is a great basketball player, but he was never doing anything close to what MJ did. It's put as simple in the video as you can get. To be the best, you need to be the best in all areas, not just in some. And MJ was the best player on both sides of the court, even moreso in his prime. Even after Larry Bird's Celtics beat Jordan's bulls, he said "that's god pretending to be Michael Jordan".... I'm yet to hear any player who beat LBJ or lost to LBJ, describe him in that way. If anything, players felt like they were killing the hype (as they were - LBJ was being called the next MJ in highschool and did not meet expectations in his rookie year - they even gave LBJ rookie of the year award even tho Carmelo had better stats than LBJ, and they were rookies together - same year, same season - how does LBJ get rookie of the year? 🤔🧐 The NBA needed à face is why, and they already hyped him up beyond belief) MJ has easily solidified himself as the best to ever do it (to date - these numbers don't lie - he's top dog and just à SG) and we probably will never see another talent like his touch the court, in a long time. He was truly a special player, and easily the G.O.A.T 😎

@minalsalam2426

2 жыл бұрын

He was not being honest , he was biased and had his mind made up before he reacted and still rejected the truth . You shouldn't lie to people about their reactions . If it's not genuine , then tell them that .

Lbron is YOUR G.O.A.T. MJ is THE G.O.A.T.

Sad for you, kid. 😢 But facts are facts; this isn't just based on highlights or any media hype - but hard facts, backed by actual data. The data in the video already pointed to who is the better basketball player, the more all around and the one who has no weakness between the two.

The fact you even admitted you couldn't dispute a single fact he said, which proves Jordan is better you still couldn't accept facts. That guy just gave facts nothing else. Also LeBron plays in a no contact era go watch some of Jordan's games against Detroit. They were brutal.

Sorry kid, it's hard to know the truth but can still be a Lebron fan.

the thing about finishing at the rim is more about rules(centers could sit in the paint back then) and fouls. They called less fouls.

I want to ask you this one question. Forget about who’s the goat. Let’s talk about Derrick Rose remember him. Let’s say Derrick Rose never got injured. Because Derrick Rose was his only competition in the Eastern conference. Let’s say Derrick Rose never got injured, Do LeBron James still make 8 straight final? For me, That answer is hell no.

I watched a reaction video where a Lebron fan watched Michael Jordan’s ultimate mix tape. 30 percent of the way in he paused the video and said that he felt sick to his stomach and probably shouldn’t have watched the video. The problem is that after watching it was so apparent not only that Jordan was a better player but that the skill level between him and Lebron are not even close. Lebron James is a great player, but if you look at stats, facrs, and film, it’s apparent that Jordan was on a completely different level. Kobe too.

@stambo1983

3 ай бұрын

Sorry bro, but I think it's wild people trying to lump Kobe in with MJ. He tried to be MJ, but fell short by a long way. He often played selfishly and it costed his team.

With all due respect, if you think Lebron faces tougher competition than Jordan did, you need to study up. That just could not be more untrue. Jordan played against the largest group of Hall of Famers at one time than this league has ever seen. The only people who make that argument are kids who didn't see beasts like Shaq, Olajuwan, Robinson, Bird, Isaiah, Miller, Ewing, Drexler, Payton, Kemp, Stockton, Malone, and many others who would absolutely wreck shop in today's game

Jason Terry The above name alone ends this debate.

MJ 🐐

Dude went CHURCH MOUSE during the statistics 😂😂😂

I love that giving facts and statistics these days is considered disrespect 😂

I think Jordan is the GOAT and alot.was highlighted in this video about why. I seen both in their primes/careers and when you don't know what is going to happen versus watching a KZread video of like the shrug game (so you know this is when Jordan hit those 3s), it hits you differently. LeBron has that advantage NOW. He has the advantage of not only playing more years to showcase his legacy, but he has the advantage of surprise for the younger generation. And yet, younger generations still have the debate or say it's very close but Bron is #1. Most of everyone else have Jordan #1 and don't debate it much. We are almost 20 years from when Jordan played his last game, and he still gets talked about as much as LeBron does. And LeBron is still playing. A player gets talked about LESS after they retire. LeBron will be talked about LESS after he retires. Luka, Giannis, Ja, etc... Will be the headlines. But yet, Jordan, is still here and Jordan doesn't say much at all. That shows you how big Jordan's legacy is. 🤷🏾‍♂️

Trolling at the end hahaha

I’m only 4 mins in and I can already tell this kid is gona cry. MJ is the GOAT!!

I'm a Clippers fan I personally don't think LeBron James is better than Kobe Bryant period. I might put him over Kobe Bryant if he can get Lakers another two rings. I don't count that pandemic ring since 40% of players didn't want to play. Remember when all teams refuse to Play Patrick Beverley called it if LeBron James says we playing we all will be forced to play. In other words Michael Jordan is the Goat Kobe Bryant was a clear second 🥈 LeBron James is not in the same level of these legends. Remember this is coming from a Clippers fan that respect Greatness realize what is real and what is illusion.

The comparison should have only been with Magic, and it would go to LeBron. No one is overall touching Mike on all aspects of the game. He was a different monster with a higher ability than anything we’ve ever seen.

I just checked some numbers and Jordan’s made the playoffs 13 times in his career. MJ won the finals in almost half of all his playoff appearances. LeBrons made the playoffs 15 times and the finals 10 but he’s 4-6 in the finals. Even though 10 games is greater than 6 if Jordan had made 4 more finals and lost them all he’d still be 6-4 in the finals.

I think people forget how many hall of famers there actually were in the late 80's and 90's, not to forget the unsung heroes that time has forgot. The defense in the 90's was TOUGH bro, TOUGH. They didn't just let you go for your dunk , lay up or rebound without some kind of contact. lol. If you were Jordan sometimes they'd just straight up pull you down, slam you, elbow you. lol. Jordan's era was far stronger and dominant than modern NBA.

Every lebron fan that reacted to this y’all can’t except the facts y’all try to find some way to defend lebron but you literally can’t in this scenario

The Pistons beat Shaq, Kobe, Malone, and GP the Lakers had the better team and had just won 3 rings in a row! Pistons were heavy underdogs and that series was Epic!

@rossejera1661

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, no one expected them to win, they just came out of nowhere.. For me its comparable to last years hawks.. Favorites that time were the wolves, pacers, Lakers and the back to back east champ Nets. And it was even crazier in the finals were most thought the lakers would sweep detroit. Got a lot of friends that time who lost big time cash.

What you said about MVP wins in the beginning, thing is LeBron sacrificed those MVPs for longevity - to win MVP you need to play like hell in regular season, Bron did not do it, MJ did... Bron was load managing in regular letting other people win, MJ did not even know what that is

@questionableidentity1

2 жыл бұрын

💯

Like someone said: Lbj tried to take this girl to bed 9 times and actually happened 3 times. MJ tried 6 times and you know the end of the story. 😂

Lebron has quit on teams multiple times. Jordan has NEVER quit Aliens come down I'm taking the guy that will not quit

Did you know why that uploader did not include the clips of MJ's flops in games? Because MJ never did such things. Never did anything silly in a game. He always treat every second in a game with respect and never stop trying to win until the final buzzer.

I love how actual facts and stats correlate to someone hating LeBron... make it make sense. Don't let your feelings get in the way of facts. Things are only CAP and disrespectful when they're said against LeBron. This is arguably the most researched and complete comparisons ever put together. The facts are right in front of you. Just because you aren't willing to see them doesn't change the score.

Lebron is great but this vid is beyond dispute

Mike NEVER flopped. He played the entire game.

Despite all the FACTUAL evidence, you still think James is better. That’s not thinking with your head, that’s wishing with your heart. Sorry man, I think I would take Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, or Kobe Bryant over LeBron. All 3 of them had that intense competitive killer instinct that came closest to Jordan’s. LeBron had it but didn’t have it all the time. To be best ever, you can’t have a killer instinct only sometimes

MJ IS THE GOAT PERIOD IVE SEEN THEM BOTH MANY TIMES LIVE NOT EVEN CLOSE MJ IS BY FAR THE BEST!!

When he said “Robert Horry who “ I had to turn off the video and moved on lol 😂

I'm a portland trailblazer fanatic. My favorite player of all time is Clyde drexler. With that being said let me assure you the one thing I will never be is UNREASONABLE... MICHAEL IS THE GOAT AND IS NOT EVEN CLOSE

I really enjoyed this video, loved how you started from what you know and are passionate about... and was considering subscribing to your channel... but in the end, when you chose feelings over thought, you lost me. Like you said so many times, I'll give him that, I ain't going to lie." Then, in the end, after acknowledging fact after fact, you changed and said, "I'm going to stick with my feelings," you lost me. That is such a poor way to make decisions. "This girl has done this to me, and this, and this, and this... but that's all okay because I still love her." Eventually that person will be force to realize "This girl is going to keep this up forever if I let her!" That's when the light has finally come on. I'll check back on you some time. Catch you later!

With the MVP's they did the same thing to Jordan. In the year that Karl Malone won MVP, Jordan should have won that, but just like with LeBron the voters got tired of voting for Jordan, just like with Lebron the voters got tired of voting for the same guy every year. The difference is play style which can't really be compared unless you want to compare LeBron to Magic who is more similar and Kobe is a straight MJ clone.

LeBron is the GOAT if you like cumulative stats or stats with no context. And the best part is all those stats and analytics he leads in INCLUDE his wizard years. MJ coming back to play with the lottery Wizards team near 40 with bad knees and wrist did LBJ a favor. It lowered his overalls to a point LeBron isn't as far behind if we just had his bulls years.

@jackastor5265

2 жыл бұрын

The problem is cumulative stats almost never determine a GOAT, in any sport. Its the reason why Kareem is not considered the GOAT right now. Its the reason why Emmitt Smith is not considered the GOAT running back even though he has the most yards in a career. Cumulative stats don't mean better, it just means you played longer. ESPN will try to convince everyone that Lebron is the undisputable GOAT when he passes Kareem in scoring. Its not true now, it won't be true then.

@mpound97

2 жыл бұрын

Jordan was averaging 31.5ppg for his career before he came back to play for the Wizards and he was shooting over 50% as well. Those couple years brought him back down to 30.1ppg, a hair better than Wilt but still on top.

@stambo1983

3 ай бұрын

​@mpound97 And the funny thing is, when he wasn't playing with significant injury, his numbers were still pretty good. I mean, trying to play through a meniscus tear is wild.

13:20. What KD did in 2016 is EXACTLY what LBJ did in 2010 lol.

You big mad, even with clear evidence you still deny smh!! Lebron is a beast bro, but he's not on MJ's level at all, and I'm saying this while my favorite player is Magic Johnson 🤷🏾‍♂️

Just say that your a really big fan of Lebron and that he's your goat. Dont tell people that he's the goat. They have experts, evidence, former players that says and statistics that proven MJ is and been the goat. In our old heads mind we saw and witnessed MJ greatness.

Your brain is cooked if you think it's harder to go to the rim today

Moral of this reaction video. You're childhood hero and favorite player doesn't mean = The Goat . Facts are facts. But he is the goat in your eyes, so keep your chin up bro.

Never started in his shadow???? Soooooo why does he wear 23 and throw baby powder before every game????

@hoopsnbulls2207

2 жыл бұрын

dont forget SpaceJam

So he’s presenting you with facts and your rebuttal is “he gotta love Jordan” 😂. Stop it dawg.

4:27 explains everything we need to know. This was entertaining though, I give you that. For example at 5:40 you say LeBron should've got more MVPs but he didn't cause he was getting them so often the NBA wanted others to get it. Using that theory, Jordan would still be ahead of LeBron because he'd have won every MVP of the 90s besides the time he spent retired, plus the one he won in 88.

What we often lack in our youth is perspective.

It's all fun and games until the stats come out lol

I give this kid credit for actually listening. He’s still wrong, but at least he sat through the entire video without annoyingly making stupid points trying to debunk the argument. Hugh props my man. You’re still wrong though. This is no discussion.