UNC would never want to go to another second tier conference like the big 12.

@basementhorrorsreview

15 күн бұрын

What’s their option if the ACC disbands???? 🤡🤡🤡

@timmyotool71

15 күн бұрын

Obviously, you go to B10 or SEC if they’re options. But if not, I think joining the B12 party with a few of the other strongest remaining ACC brands would make for a better conference than trying to backfill the dying ACC with Tulane and USF.

@Asylumlord

15 күн бұрын

Second tier? Lol. Undefeated Florida State failed to get picked for the National Championship last year. A ONE LOSS TCU did. Shows who is 2nd tier.

@cmortonwvu

15 күн бұрын

Well then why are they in the ACC, a 3rd tier conference? All jokes aside, if schools are going to bolt, then they have to get scooped up quickly. There is only 3 left.

@Size-11

15 күн бұрын

The big 12 is A1 steak sauce

UNC, Fla State, Clemson, Pitt, Louisville and Miami to BIG 12. This would create a league to to compete with the Big 10 and SEC. It would be tough to beat.

@kentfultz4842

14 күн бұрын

Scrap Clemson-- Flash in the pan. Dabo is taking them down, refusing the portal. They offer nothing else maybe baseball, suck at basketball and the total value of the program is not good,

@A1Googler

14 күн бұрын

You mean like a Big 12 West vs a Big 12 East? That is possible configuration. Not sure if you could convince UNC to go there instead of the Big Ten or SEC. I am not sure how all this will playout. But I see a UNC in an eastern Big Ten footprint over Big 12 and SEC. Does a UNC vs USC or Wash seem right? Not right now. But give it a few years

@tarheel7406

14 күн бұрын

Delusional....

@edcarman4704

13 күн бұрын

Never happen

UNC has Texas attitude, but without Texas money and eyeballs and history of success on the gridiron. They would be a great add for the Big 12, but then you have to deal with people who have a very high opinion of themselves, like Texas, but without the pluses of Texas. Besides, if the ledge lets them separate from NC State, I think they have a ticket to the SEC coming.

@TheToddFather1969

15 күн бұрын

You’re not exactly wrong. A lot of Carolina fans have an air of superiority. However, many of us are just regular folks, just like Texas. We love football but we’re just not that good at it on a consistent basis. Basketball? Yeah, total snobs. I’ll admit that.

@secretagent73

14 күн бұрын

Aside from the financial desirability of UNC, I'd rather have NC St football than UNC football.

@secretagent73

14 күн бұрын

Aside from UNC's financial desirability I'd prefer NC St football over UNC football.

@earlygenesistherevealedcos1982

14 күн бұрын

@@secretagent73 If the Big 12 gets them, it will probably be as a package deal. The politics of the state won't let UNC make 70 mil while NC State makes 10 mill. Instead, both in Big 12 making 40 mil.

@jansonroberts2616

14 күн бұрын

@@secretagent73IF the SEC and B1G are going to 24 teams each, the Big12 would probably only be an option for Wake from the state of North Carolina. The B1G and SEC will get first dibs in the ACC and Big12. After that, the ACC and Big12 will then have to figure out how they realign themselves.

I can't see the logic of placing yourself in a league that won't have the best tv package income vs those that do. It sounds more like the Big 12 folk attempting to raise their tier a bit.

@vistatiger7493

15 күн бұрын

Ha, If your conference was like the Big12 and had only existed since the mid 90's and had lost much of their original membership since then you would be eager for something good to happen too. 🤣

@Joe-sm9qj

14 күн бұрын

Because NC is not as good as their fans want to believe.

@JohnDry

14 күн бұрын

​​@@vistatiger7493The SWC, and the big 8 is the B12 wich has been around for over 100 years. Do you know the football history of the schools in the B12?? We lost schools such as Arkansas, mizzou, A&M, ou, tx to the sec lost Nebraska to the B10 . Lost Colorado to the pac , but got them back. Rip pac, and the pACC.

Wake has never been good? Compared to UNC? This is why no one takes you serious.

Enjoy the videos by you guys. I didn't hear you address "NC State adds weight ", which was included in your video title. Please address NC State potential outcomes in one of your videos. I realize they're not in top 3 of most wanted in ACC, but they do have strong following in NC with football and basketball. And NC is a big state. Thanks guys!

@tarheel7406

13 күн бұрын

NCSTATE is a 2nd Tier ACC flight risk. Why would it move to the BIG12?

If the ACC IMPLODES and this discussion continues then all these remaining conferences are going to just play each other? ACC survives and will change its look or they get there **** together and actually pay its members better.

That would be great if they came to the Big 12. Their football will do good in the Big 12 and a definite add for basketball.

@edcarman4704

13 күн бұрын

Don't hold your breath.

ACC is a 70+ year old conference with a lot of tradition; it’s going to be very hard for the founding members to leave. I’ll believe it when I see it.

I’m a UNC fan, and I’m not against the Big 12 at all. I just don’t see it happening.

@secretagent73

14 күн бұрын

I'm obviously not a UNC fan and I agree. Maybe in some insane scenario but I don't expect an insane scenario. Going to be like what happened with the PAC. Happened exactly as everyone who wasn't a PAC homer thought it would.

Says Wake Forest has never been good - ignores that Wake Forest has been nationally ranked in recent years. That said, as a small private school, they will be left behind.

UNC fans are way more chill than Duke fans. Bring ‘em into the B12 fold.

@blakehamlin5602

14 күн бұрын

Oh man, you aren't very familiar with UNC (particularly basketball) fans.

80% of the schools won’t be here in the power 4 in 10 years because of the pay for play.

North Carolina is not going to the Big 12 and Kansas is not going to the SEC #facts

@CFB_Tube

14 күн бұрын

Potentially

@corneliusdansbyjr6165

14 күн бұрын

@@CFB_Tube period

UNC has Big Ten and SEC recruiting ground and TV market. That’s all they need.

FSU and Clemson - as the premier football powers in the conference - have landed a fatal blow on the ACC. No matter what ends up transpiring with the litigations (and how long they take), it’s safe to say both will end up in the P2 and remain competitive power programs going forward. On a related note, it is sad to watch the “Tobacco Road” heritage diminish before our very eyes. It’s truly one of the more unfortunate casualties of the evolving college football power structure. The harsh truth is that basketball and other revenue sports do not have the mass to counterbalance the remarkable and ever-growing value of college football. Programs like UNC, Duke, Kansas and others will in all likelihood take on tier 2 status in the ongoing realignment saga. While the P2 may end up accommodating some of these programs, they will only serve as chum to the alphas in both the SEC and B1G. What remains to be seen is how basketball and other sports fare within the coming landscape. The internal struggles and financial problems in Chapel Hill make this all the more evident.

@tarheel7406

14 күн бұрын

So ignorant and arrogant... The ACC can't remain a Tier 1 if it loses any from the top. Competitiveness would likely be okay, but the current value is already likely just close enough. Nevertheless, the ACC can tolerate a good bit of depletion and suvive as a Tier 2, so not fatal. UNC is the top expansion target of the SEC and B1G. It will be okay. DUKE and KANSAS are open questions. The P2 consolidation will have a parity effect on football. You really fail to see the bigger picture.

@LoCoVANole

14 күн бұрын

⁠@@tarheel7406You again. Perhaps you should spend less time calling those with differing opinions ignorant and more time worrying about how Chapel Hill and its ilk can survive the dilemma they face. Fact remains, FSU’s record in football against the NC schools is a solid 94-28-2. Want to guess what is against UNC? An impressive 17-3-1. See, FSU is a football powerhouse and UNC is not - never has been, never will. The nation doesn’t care when UNC plays but FSU is must watch TV. FSU at Michigan/Alabama/OSU/Penn State/Georgia will draw national attention, UNC at those schools not so much. And that dichotomy has a dollar sign associated with it that makes FSU more attractive in the realignment saga. I sense you know this deep down inside which is why you repeatedly fall back on “holistic value.” But we see what that kind of valuation leads to just look at the current mess in Chapel Hill. In essence, UNC “personifies” the ACC, and that should spark concern. At this point, it’ll take charity for UNC to land in the P2, and doing so risks throwing money away - something I doubt the networks are lining up to do. To borrow the ill-advised metaphor of your illustrious AD, Bubba - if FSU is “barking,” then UNC is “whimpering.” Karma can be merciless.

@tarheel7406

13 күн бұрын

@@LoCoVANole a) I will call out ignorance and arrogance when I see it, and there's a plague of FSU fans in the comments. b) Again, UNC will be fine. Both the SEC and B1G will save a slot until it moves to one or the other. FSU fans are so unimpressive.

@LoCoVANole

13 күн бұрын

@@tarheel7406 I pity you, my man - you’re logic is absolutely useless

UNC is most likely going to the Big Ten!

@A1Googler

14 күн бұрын

I agree. Delany is a UNC alum. The matchups for UNC in the Big Ten involve bigger brands and better academics. The SEC may be better at fball,baseball, and T&F. But the overall draw is in the Big Ten

@tarheel7406

14 күн бұрын

Near 100% to SEC.

Why would UNC leave the ACC for the B12? They have P2 value and IMO would only go to SEC or B1G. NCSt could end up in the B12.

@noelramirez1551

15 күн бұрын

NC state will drag UNC to the big 12

@lorenzohaynes3886

15 күн бұрын

You think the Big 12 wouldn't happily take NC State? The Big 12 would take NC State with a side of salad. And run with it.

@Mr.Ed_Wayner

15 күн бұрын

@@lorenzohaynes3886 totally agree, yes they would. I just wonder, if the B1G were to take UNC & UVA (AAU academic fits) would the SEC counter and take VT & NCSt?

@Mr.Ed_Wayner

15 күн бұрын

@@noelramirez1551 I don’t think so. Maybe UNC will end up in the B1G and NCSt in the SEC (with VT).

@noelramirez1551

14 күн бұрын

@@Mr.Ed_Wayner aren't NC state and UNC a package deal ? I doubt the Big 10 or SEC will want both

UNC is not leaving ACC for Big 12 . Big 12 isn't going to be here in 10 years.

@Joe-sm9qj

14 күн бұрын

ACC definitely won't be here in 10 years, maybe 10 months. The big 12...maybe

@jamesstone9213

14 күн бұрын

🤣🤣 what a powerhouse

@Asylumlord

14 күн бұрын

FOX and ESPN want the BIGXII as a cheaper alternative. But it is by far the most fun to watch in both basketball and football. The new additions add more flavor. Gain a few ACC teams? Will be a blast.

@A1Googler

14 күн бұрын

We are not going to superleagues, ppl. The Big Ten alums and fans are not going to tolerate missing out on matchups and traditions being 4 years apart or never. There is an upper limit to expansion, IMHO

AzSt college bsb (RPI #80) run-ruled 30-wiin TexTech (RPI #56) in 7 innings, 21-5. At least ASU won't be swept by Tech this weekend.

North Carolina isn't trying to leave the ACC unless they have a landing spot in the B1G or the SEC.

@basementhorrorsreview

15 күн бұрын

The ACC isn’t going to exist anymore so their option is the Big 12 or nothing if they can’t afford the jump to the SEC or B1G.

@Patrick-sg7cm

15 күн бұрын

@@basementhorrorsreview The ACC will continue to exist. What about Calford, SMU, Wake Forest, Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, and Louisville?

@noelramirez1551

15 күн бұрын

​@@Patrick-sg7cmthe big 12 didn't add Oregon state or Washington State because they wanted to wait what would happen to the ACC they need more teams out east for UCF west Virginia and Cincinnati Pitt Louisville and others would I think want to jump ship and not end up like Oregon and Washington State

UNC 90% SEC or 10% B10

@A1Googler

14 күн бұрын

I do not see UNC's first choice being the SEC. Delany's shadow looms large. I dont know if the Big Ten is eager to expand again. But UNC and another add in the Big Ten East makes too much sense. Maybe not Florida State. Definitely not Clemson. But for games against Penn State, Maryland, and Rutgers in fball where there are already numerous Big Ten alums, that is where you go.

@tarheel7406

14 күн бұрын

@@A1Googler Did you miss the power coup at UNC?. I'd say ~100% SEC.

ACC's only shot is a merger with Big 12.

@Patrick-sg7cm

15 күн бұрын

The only way a merger moves the needle is if both conferences were to drop some dead weight at the bottom. No SMU, no Houston, no UCF, no Cincinnati, and no Boston College.

@adamb6370

14 күн бұрын

@@Patrick-sg7cmthat could work but that is going to be hard

@tarheel7406

14 күн бұрын

For what purpose?

UNC will go to the SEC or Big 10. They will have the best joining offer of anyone. They are going to be the most pursed school other than Notre Dame. They are just waiting for FSU and Clemson to do the all the heavy lifting and will reap the rewards.

@A1Googler

14 күн бұрын

The Big Ten does not do that. We all get the same money with the exception of folks that must take a few years to get vested. And UW and Ore will eventually get there once TV partners see ROI

@tarheel7406

14 күн бұрын

@@A1Googler If the B1G offers a partial to UNC, then UNC goes to the SEC. Done.

No thank you❤

So ignorant.... UNC's concern is maintaining its large/successful athletic programs and ambitions. That requires SEC/B1G money. There is no, nada, zilch feasible chain of events that ends with NC in the BIG12. It pays even less and is the worst P4 (by far). If UNC can't leave, only FSU is leaving in the near foreseeable. At least staying allows for hope for a solution. Going to the BIG12 would be suicide.

Big 12 needs to send out invites to all top half schools of that conference.

My understanding is that Big 12 would pay more than ACC.

@tarheel7406

14 күн бұрын

Even the ACC's "terrible" deal is expected to pay slightly more than the BIG12's current market deal.

@MuratAksu34

14 күн бұрын

@@tarheel7406 The TV deals for the ACC and Big 12 have significant differences in terms of financial details and duration. ### ACC TV Deal - **Duration**: The ACC's current media rights deal with ESPN runs through 2036. - **Value**: This deal is valued at approximately $240 million per year. - **Payout**: The annual payout per school from the TV deal is estimated to be around $30 million. - **Components**: The contract includes both traditional broadcast rights and revenue from the ACC Network, a dedicated channel launched in partnership with ESPN. ### Big 12 TV Deal - **Duration**: The Big 12 recently negotiated a new six-year extension with ESPN and Fox, starting in the 2025-26 season and running through 2030-31. - **Value**: The new deal is worth a total of $2.28 billion, averaging $380 million per year. - **Payout**: This translates to an average of $31.6 million per school annually. When including revenue from the College Football Playoff and NCAA basketball tournament, schools could receive close to $50 million per year. - **Expansion Clause**: The deal includes a pro-rata clause allowing for additional payments if the conference expands further. ### Comparison - **Financial Value**: The Big 12's new deal is more lucrative annually than the ACC's, with a higher per-school payout primarily due to the pro-rata clause and additional income sources. - **Contract Length**: The ACC's deal is significantly longer, locking in terms through 2036, whereas the Big 12 opted for a shorter extension until 2031, providing flexibility to renegotiate sooner in a rapidly evolving media landscape. - **Stability vs. Flexibility**: The ACC's longer deal provides stability but might limit revenue growth opportunities, while the Big 12's shorter deal allows for adjustments and potentially higher future earnings based on market conditions. These differences reflect strategic choices by each conference, balancing immediate financial needs with long-term growth and stability considerations [oai_citation:1,Reports: Big 12 reaches new media rights deal with ESPN, Fox worth $2.3B - Yahoo Sports](sports.yahoo.com/reports-big-12-reaches-new-media-rights-deal-with-espn-fox-worth-23-b-153415193.html) [oai_citation:2,Report: Big 12 Agrees To New Media Rights Deal With ESPN, Fox](kslsports.com/494819/big-12-conference-agrees-to-new-media-rights-deal-with-espn-fox/).

@MuratAksu34

14 күн бұрын

@@tarheel7406 you don’t research much do you? Stick your head in Carolina Tar and hope that you are correct.

@tarheel7406

13 күн бұрын

@@MuratAksu34 Huh? There is an actual chart that is often referenced that has the projected revenue per conference. The difference is immaterial, but the ACC's deal is known to be far below actual market. If anything, the ACC's estimate is too low due to ACCN expansion and that the BIG12's is to high due to the departure or TX/OK. The BIG12 is now set as a Tier 2; the ACC will deplete out to the same level.

You are delusional if you think the Less than Big 12 is going to land any program that either the REAL BIG conference or the SEC wants. The Big 12 is every ACC teams back up plan.

@secretagent73

14 күн бұрын

Can't really argue with that. Doesn't change the fact that some current ACC teams are future Big XII teams.

@richardmorris8745

14 күн бұрын

@@secretagent73 I agree. But, these guys talk like they have a chance at FSU, Miami, NC, Clemson. The Less than Big 12 has less than zero percent chance of getting any of them.

@artax84z

14 күн бұрын

@@richardmorris8745 Drake always says he doesn't think the Big 12 will get FSU and Clemson.

UNC will never be in the Big12

Fellas, zero chance in hell the Heels are headed your way....they are headed to BIG 10

@basementhorrorsreview

15 күн бұрын

What if they don’t have the money or the invite??? Then what? You’d rather be independent than be in the B12??

@prestonfromgreensboro851

15 күн бұрын

How is it cheaper to go to the the big 12 vs sec or big 10?! Unc wants sec 1st, big 10 2nd, watered down acc 3rd, and big 12 4th. Unc to big 12 just ain't happening. It'll be sec

@brandonstrickland580

15 күн бұрын

Agree no chance to the BIG 12, I disagree with the BIG 10, I think the SEC is the choice.

@jona2080

15 күн бұрын

Especially since they have offers from the B10 and SEC already. This guys is a moron if he thinks the SEC doesn’t want UNC

@wally8787

14 күн бұрын

The B1G has no interest in UNC. They don't move the football needle.

TCU losing to the worst PAC team,Colorado , an even bigger deal that not enough people talk about

@Joe-sm9qj

14 күн бұрын

Florida state absolutely embarrassing the ACC in bowl against Georgia. Priceless. Actually that did a LOT of permanent damage to the ACC.

@Joe-sm9qj

14 күн бұрын

WVU taking over NC stadium and embarrassing your best brand on their home-turf in front of 95% WVU fans and winning convincingly was another embarrassing disaster for the ACC.

@fwilliamcony28

9 күн бұрын

@@Joe-sm9qj Don't forget WVU's two straight OOC wins over Va Tech and last season's win over Pitt. Around 5 years ago, NCStU travelled to Morgantown for an OOC game and, although warmly welcomed, left with a loss just like UNC in the bowl game. Looking forward to this year's Backyard Brawl in the 'Burgh and wonder if attendance will surpass 70,200 at Acrisure Stadium like two years ago.

UNC is 100% in the SEC or Big 10.