Norman Finkelstein debates Hebron spokesperson on voting rights of Palestinians in Israel
During a debate on Piers Morgan Uncensored on Tuesday, American political scientist Norman Finkelstein pressed the spokesperson for Hebron’s Jewish settler community, Yishai Fleisher, on whether he would accept Palestinians voting in Israeli elections after Fleisher argued that Israel should take over the occupied West Bank and Gaza and turn its current residents into Israeli citizens.
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"A settlers vision for the future of Israel" let that sink in.
@Totajee79
Ай бұрын
Exactly!
@stunns2003
Ай бұрын
Yes, I caught that sophistry as well. Might as well have called it a ‘Colonial’s Vision’ or an ‘Oppressor’s Vision’
@Libyan_anti_genocidele
Ай бұрын
It's almost if they're making a parody or something
@Lance-Oakland
Ай бұрын
They are arrogant criminals.
@jchan9761
Ай бұрын
If native americans can have US voting rights and citizenship, why cannot Palestinians have israeli voting rights and citizenship? Answer: Isreal is a racist project.
So 5 options and none of them gives the Palestinians equal rights 🤔
@globalist1990
Ай бұрын
And when he finally admits he disagrees with one person, one vote, piers then asks him to stop talking. Damage control.
@jimbob3030
Ай бұрын
Well of course, can't have a jewish state with a palestinian majority so they're obviously never going to allow that. So apartheid or EC or gee cide, maybe they will hold a vote as the only democracy in the middle east?
@djpaulcfunkeddub3951
Ай бұрын
@@globalist1990 LOL
@funtimefoxy6699
Ай бұрын
Palestinians are given the rights they deserve. Gaza was handed over to the PA on a silver platter - and they shit all over that platter.
@mohamedismail2485
Ай бұрын
The "so called" Palestinians according to the zionist coward!
"so-called Palestinians"...that guy is disgusting.
@emilymorton6510
Ай бұрын
It's so called Israel to be factually correct. It's existence is blasphemous and is opposed to Judaism.
@jamesthompson9003
Ай бұрын
That's just a name that the Romans referred to the people of the Levant as - so there was literally no such thing as 'Palestinians' before ancient European colonizers called the region that. Also you can find no shortage of people in this comment section alone who would say that Israel is an illegitimate state and there are no such thing as 'Israelis'. These are all just arbitrary names of made-up nations (as all nations are) - nobody is denying the existence of ethnic-Arabs and ethnic-Jews
@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings
Ай бұрын
Mind Begs the Question: - Dehumanizing a group of people as Rats is Fascist - Dehumanizing a group of people as Human Animals is Not Fascist?
@inctimber
Ай бұрын
They say this because Israel is truly just recently a made up thing that has no legitimacy, so they try to project
@akmal94ibrahim
Ай бұрын
They also like to call palestinians living in Israel as Arab Israelis in order to remove their Palestinian heritage.
This guy is gaslighting people. Manipulation at its best. Well done again for showing his true colours. Norman is the best.
@jchan9761
Ай бұрын
He has a channel on YT and it is filled with his lies.
@shelbeg7228
Ай бұрын
I think all their spokespeople are trained in it. They all follow they same script.
@optimus2g
Ай бұрын
All they do is lie.
@michaelfisher1537
Ай бұрын
self hating Jew - he disgusts me with his lies
@user-rd7ek9ve3r
Ай бұрын
Conman, smiling and avoiding the question. Like most politicians. No integrity or humility. Normans honestly, clarity and lack of word salad stands out.
Yishai Fleisher was born in Haifa to Soviet parents and grew up in the U.S. But denies the existence of Palestinians and feels he has more rights than Arabs who have lived in the region for generations?
@jimbohouston
Ай бұрын
We call that 'chutzpah'
@yomismo6969
Ай бұрын
So he was from another country far away from that land called israel and he can be a citizen of that land. But a palestinian that was born in that land and was expelled from it can't be a citizen of that land? Morgan really tried to do damage control.
@gnostic268
Ай бұрын
Settlers are always like that. Obnoxious and entitled as hell. B.S. machines
@Tabish29
Ай бұрын
@@jimbohoustonlooks like "we" have zero shame
@michaelfisher1537
Ай бұрын
we Jews go back 3700 years
Dr. Norman saw through the twisted snakes ruse. Bravo!
@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings
Ай бұрын
Mind Begs the Question: - If a Govt stage WMD Hoax - Govt can't stage Terrorist Attack - To manufacture justification,consent - For Ethnic Cleansing,Total Occupation?
@akmal94ibrahim
Ай бұрын
He was smirking at the end there when this Yishai guy can only say "I accept that that is something to be discussed". Can see through his bs.
@alizakessler
Ай бұрын
Norman is a disgraceful liar
@akmal94ibrahim
Ай бұрын
@@alizakessler and what are the lies?
@alizakessler
Ай бұрын
@@akmal94ibrahim he called Hamas resistance fighters and oppressed people who have a right to kill Israelis. He called Yishai a war criminal for living in his own land.
That man has the audacity to tell that Palestinian home is Jordan.A bold face liar .
@michaelfisher1537
Ай бұрын
Jordan is palestinian home
@Ntuthu-ZA
Ай бұрын
@@michaelfisher1537 and Poland, Russia etc?
@lizbethartemis4886
Ай бұрын
great story tellers 😂😂
@JojoJoget
Ай бұрын
@@lunarvvolf9606 you can say the same about Americans with dual citizenships, worse actually, Israelis could become politicians and run US politics, like how Blinken does
@alizakessler
Ай бұрын
He is right. Many came from Jordan and Egypt and Lebanon and Syria
imagine being proud of authoring an article titled "A settlers vision for the future of Israel". it doesnt get more evil
@alizakessler
Ай бұрын
He isn't evil
@feralmode
Ай бұрын
and the new york times goes ahead and publishes it as if it's some cute taylor swift lyrics and not a genocidal manifesto.
@feralmode
Ай бұрын
@@alizakessler yes he is. ok maybe he isn't evil but his actions are. maybe he's just insane.
@alizakessler
Ай бұрын
@@feralmode Yes Norman is evil. Called this man a war criminal for living in his own land. Shameful
@feralmode
Ай бұрын
@@alizakessler wow. you guys are special. he called him a war criminal because he stole the land from other people. this is against international law, my friend. although i'm sure you'll try to claim some 2000 year old book says the land is his.
One side is calm, cool and collected... The other side is boisterous, nervous and interrupting. Tell you all you need to know...
@kathycollett4318
Ай бұрын
Exactly!
Vote next door, but live subjugated by my occupier in my own home. Laughable.
@fredflinstone6601
Ай бұрын
If Palestinians accept, in a few years they would be ethnically cleansed with the excuse that they’re citizens of Jordan. These “people “ are scom, and few are falling for their scheming/lying shite anymore. Israelie!
@alizakessler
Ай бұрын
Israel isn't an occupier. It is their land
@fredflinstone6601
Ай бұрын
@@alizakessler lol!
@czarkusa2018
Ай бұрын
@@alizakessler I'm on my way to "not occupy" your house :)
@alizakessler
Ай бұрын
@@czarkusa2018 nothing is being occupied
lol I would’ve called him “the other guest” too, I love Norman so much he wasn’t even trying to slam him but he absolutely did .
@spamfilter32
Ай бұрын
Norman is known to throw shade like that actually. I give him props for it. Norm was subtly letting the audience know that the other guests ideas are as worthy of being remembered as his name is.
@taherabunama4559
Ай бұрын
💯
@joansbeef4035
Ай бұрын
Games played by ficklenormanston are quite insane, hopefully it's real games and not senile.
@beebeemo
Ай бұрын
@@joansbeef4035no, you’re either too brainwashed, too evil, too delusional, or too dumb to understand… or a combination of those things, which is more likely.
@spamfilter32
Ай бұрын
@joansbeef4035 hello Nazi.
Free Palestine 🇵🇸
@pacmanmcgavin7034
Ай бұрын
It was free...
@user-ln2cj1ig5h
Ай бұрын
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 people turned a blind eye when the holocaust was happening.. knowing the truth.. pretending it wasn’t happening.. never again to anyone
@user-ln2cj1ig5h
Ай бұрын
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 I suggest you watch Tantura it’s a Israeli documentary… denying the truth will get you nowhere. Eventually, truth comes out.
@geraltofrivia9424
Ай бұрын
@@pacmanmcgavin7034And now it is not
@edosandzo
Ай бұрын
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 And it will be free again God willing!
lol I would’ve called him “the other guest” too, I love Norman so much he wasn’t even trying to slam him but he absolutely did 😂
@miriamschiro8585
Ай бұрын
Exactly 😂 He did slam him in the manner of possessing the three C’s cool calm and collective 😁 The other quest was extremely defensive as all Zionist are with their disgusting idiocy
@ascase
Ай бұрын
It was either "the other guest" or "Mr. Fisherprice"
@spamfilter32
Ай бұрын
No, Norm was throwing shade deliberately. He was letting the audience know that the "other gueats" ideas are as worthy of being remembered as his name is.
@alizakessler
Ай бұрын
Norman is a liar
@spamfilter32
Ай бұрын
@@alizakessler no, that's just you.
Norman You nailed it again bravo!
@alizakessler
Ай бұрын
Nope. He lied
@PSP18128
Ай бұрын
@@alizakessler ok hasbara bot who has no father-figure who is part of the sU!c!d3 squad
Debating a Zionist is pointless. It’s like trying to teach a cat to play chess.
@Truthorfib
Ай бұрын
Dude doesnt even live there (Parents are from the Soviet Union and Grew up in the states) and is basically doing what the Europeans did to the natives of America, Australia, and Canada.
@Tabish29
Ай бұрын
A cat will one day play chess. A zio will go on till their last days lying and being victims.
@jimmybones4708
Ай бұрын
@@Tabish29Most Americans I think like 87% don't even know what a Zionist is. There still trying to name the VP.
@4everVone
Ай бұрын
Exactly!!! They are all narcists and are always shouting thruw their debates...
@ibrahimkhalilrazu9653
Ай бұрын
So true! You can’t teach math to a dinkey
I like how Norman talks.
@Citizen052
Ай бұрын
you cannot bullshit him
@crunkalac
Ай бұрын
God forbid anyone takes time to think about what they're saying too. Such a faux pas.
@alizakessler
Ай бұрын
He is a liar
@johnsmith1474
Ай бұрын
Yes a lovely voice, so easy to listen to, so smooth.
@redacted3740
Ай бұрын
@@alizakessler Maybe you're just too stupid to understand what he's actually saying
Let them speak and they will show you who they are.
What a crock of $h!t. Vote in Jordan but residents here? Here in Israel or Occupied Palestine? He actually referred to Jordan as Palestinian Jordan their country? Why not let them become citizens of Israel with equal voting rights as Norman said? This guy's line is not a serious argument. And he actually wrote this in the new York times and proud of it. What were the editors thinking of. But then again it is the New York Times...what do you expect?
@Mailrobot
Ай бұрын
NYT is financed by the Israeli lobby
@joansbeef4035
Ай бұрын
Baby steps lads, small victory one thing at a time. For example, the immigrants first moved into Germany, lived there for years, reproduce and populate, build a stronghold, and now demand for shariah law and rights. It's all about the strat, we islam know da way. Free palestine, we will rule the world.
@BamBamGT1
Ай бұрын
Psst. Everyone in the West Bank had the Jordanian nationality untill 1988, well beyond 1967. It was only then that Jordan revoked their Jordanian nationality under pressure from the Arab League and handed over the authority to the PLO. That's when Jordanian citizens became the stateless Palestinians overnight.
@lizbethartemis4886
Ай бұрын
Yisrael took land from Jordan during 6 day war.
@fazilm1
Ай бұрын
@BamBamGT1 nonsense. The west bank and east Jerusalem were "administered" by Jordan and the Gaza strip by Egypt. They were not Jordanian citizens. Go back and read the Balfour declaration and the British mandate. Israel was given statehood in the UN but not the remaining territories in which the Arab Palestinians lived. But they were there long before Europe jews arrived.
This Israeli guy spun what Norman was saying. Norman never said that genocide was the only option. I find whenever I listen to a pro Israeli they speak quickly, spin the other persons’ comments and don’t answer the other persons comments.
@MaryLou5239
Ай бұрын
I agree 💯
@HolocaustShmolocaust
Ай бұрын
Conmen and street criminals speak like that.
@alizakessler
Ай бұрын
Norman is a sick liar
@dominozonda
Ай бұрын
They are really manipulative with no morals Just trying to manipulate the audience and silence the other guest by continuously interrupting them
He said "the so called Palestinians”. In other words Palestinians dont exist for him
@alizakessler
Ай бұрын
They don't. They are called arabs
@aliragh
Ай бұрын
Israeli's are a 20th century made up identity. These people are in fact, Ukrainians, Polish, Americans, Australians, Canadians, English, Germans, Dutch, Spanish, Moroccans, Iranians, Iraqi's, Saudi's, Indie's, Russians, Hungarians, Austrians, Italians, Greeks, Romanians, Mexicans, Brazilians, Nigerians, Ethiopians, Algerians, Libyans, Sudanese, Egyptians, Kenyans, South Africans and likely a whole lot bigger list of people from around the globe with a shared religious affinity. It is a fact that so called Israeli's are no more than migrants, settlers, invaders, colonizers, what ever name you wish to label them as, but anything but indigenous or native for the most part. Palestinian Israeli's ofc are native to the lands whether Jewish, Muslim or Christian. But all those that migrated to these lands during the 20th century have little to absolutely no historical connection to these lands. A religious connection sure, but not a genetic one. That belief is a farce, a joke, a ruse, a distraction all meant to politically gain support from fools or otherwise make people turn away from the actual truth of what Israel really is all about. Hint: Colonization, geopolitical power and political influence.
@eypu999
Ай бұрын
Of course they don’t 😂 As most Zios believe
"so called" Palestinians??? WOW!!!
@alizakessler
Ай бұрын
Yup. They were called Arabs before 1948
@aibdraco01
Ай бұрын
@@alizakessler If I'm X, I won't want anyone to call me Y. Period!!!
@eypu999
Ай бұрын
@@alizakessler Ppl can have 2 identities 😮 one is ethnicity one is a nation identity. The Palestinian Citizenship Order 1925 was a law of Mandatory Palestine that created a Palestinian citizenship for residents of the territory of Palestine Mandate.
He doesnt accept there is only genocide. No that is the approach they are taking.
@globalist1990
Ай бұрын
@@tafferskithe ratio is one "military personnel" to 9 civilians. Btw, palestine has no army. They're civilian insurgents.
@tafferski
Ай бұрын
@@globalist1990 No, it's 4:1, at worse. And now that it had been found that the number of dead is actually lower than we thought it is, the ratio is probably around 2:1.
@VDOless
Ай бұрын
@tafferski tell me, what really happens to you if you guys finally admit that it's a genocide?
@mariahewitt9787
Ай бұрын
@@tafferski Hasbara is Not Cutting it...
@tafferski
Ай бұрын
@@globalist1990 It's 4:1 at worse, and now that it had been found that the number of dead is actually lower than speculated, it's probably around 2:1.
I love how Norman calls their bs all the time
@alizakessler
Ай бұрын
Norman is lying as usual
@Donttouchme22387
Ай бұрын
@@alizakessler u would know something about that clearly
Norman speaks the truth clearly and fearlessly. Well done Mr. Finkelstein.
@alizakessler
Ай бұрын
He speaks lies
@timkbirchico8542
Ай бұрын
@@alizakessler So, you are a Zionist?
@alizakessler
Ай бұрын
@@timkbirchico8542 proud zionist
@timkbirchico8542
Ай бұрын
@@alizakessler Hi, we can all see the nature of zionism expressed by members of the Knesset, Netanyahu, the military and the Israeli media. And of course the ICJ Prima Facie case accusation of genocide in Gaza. It is time for you to re assess your proud zionism. The rest of the world is against zionism. Zionism sets itself aside from the goyim, therefore it is exclusive. That is racism defined. You probably have a good heart but have been misled into the wrong headedness of zionism. Peace to you Aliza
@shovanbijoy7136
Ай бұрын
@@alizakesslerproud racist huh
Just for those who might not get the question asked by Norman or it's implications and why Yisai avoided it like a plague is that if he agreed - which of course he and other Israelis will never agree to - then Israel will become the minority while Palestinians will become the majority hence becoming the ruler/government since the deal in the question is that "one man, one vote". Check how Norman smile almost at the end of the video. Cos if the Israeli society will really want such, then their won't be a need for committing genocide in the first place. Always love Norman for being a thousand steps ahead of those Zionist.😂😂😂😂
@SeanCrosser
Ай бұрын
They need to maintain and uphold demographic majority so that they can keep Israel as an ethnostate.
@edwickford2377
Ай бұрын
I don't get it ; why should Israel allow people who wish to rid the world of Jews become a majority in their country ?
@entahlah88
Ай бұрын
He knows Norman asking the right question, and he's losing the argument , trying his best to make Norman look like a fool by his fake positive acting.. but Norman already checkmate him up, hahaha
@edwickford2377
Ай бұрын
I see what you are saying, so effectively Hamas will become the new government and will then carry on with their aim of riding the world of Jews , including Norman. No wonder, he was asking that !
@alabiabdulwasiu6156
Ай бұрын
@@edwickford2377 A quick one, please define "world of Jews"?
These settlers don't believe in Equal rights.
@alizakessler
Ай бұрын
He isn't a settler. It is his land.
@zainvvallee3966
Ай бұрын
@@alizakessler He says he is a Settler
@alizakessler
Ай бұрын
@@zainvvallee3966 he is not a settler in his own land
@zainvvallee3966
Ай бұрын
@@alizakessler how most of the came from Europe
The other person who is debating Norman was so insignificant that he has to tell time and time that his name is …..
@SamuraiKage-iv3ow
Ай бұрын
Yushi? Yuki? Yoyos? 😅😂
@riverside471
Ай бұрын
@@SamuraiKage-iv3ow Mr Morelli?
@johnnylabu765
Ай бұрын
is tat the dildo rabbi guy?
@LaicheeKang-rk7sy
Ай бұрын
You mean Mr Burnell
@riverside471
Ай бұрын
@@LaicheeKang-rk7sy Mr Binnelli.
He outright says that he doesn't like the idea of everyone having a vote. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the only "democratic" country in the Middle East.
@DavidBrodie-gm2gh
13 күн бұрын
You can’t let them vote if they will vote to kill the Israelis. Look at how many Jews were kicked out of Muslim countries in the past 100 years
"A settler vision for the future i3roel ". Well atleast he realizes they are "settler" & not the indigenous. The way "the other guest" tried to gaslight, twisting Norman's word & running from the question is so repugnant.
"A settlers vision for the future of Israel" Is this guy serious??
@alexandermurray1680
Ай бұрын
I am afraid he is. And a nut.
Did he just say...be a citizen of Israel but vote in Jordan? 🤣 Is this guy out of his mind????
Living in Israel as "residents" and only given voting rights for a completely different country. What the actual fuck
Yes, my dear brothers, my beloved Palestine is the cradle of Christianity and Judaism, and it contains Al-Aqsa, the third holiest place for us Muslims in Palestine. Bethlehem, the cradle of Christ, is a blessed land, and it is the holy land, and it has been our land for tens of thousands of years, and it is the land of the Canaanite Arabs, the original Palestinian people, and they have lived in it since the Islamic conquest in the era. The Umayyad, Abbasid and Ottoman Arabs, Muslims, Christians and Jews are like brothers and neighbors under Palestinian rule to the owners of the land, but the Zionists came and the British occupation brought them to our land as compensation to the Jews for what they did to them Hitler. The question here is that who did the Holocaust, the Germans, why do I, the Palestinian Arab, pay the price? Why not Germany? Why do I, the Muslim, pay the price for crimes? Committed by the Germans and Nazi Europe, fascism is the root of all evil in the world. Our problem is the occupation💚❤️💚🇵🇸☝️
@robertoaguadogarcia3600
Ай бұрын
Careful. When you go that back in history you play their game. They will tell you they had Hebron 3500 years ago, and so they can expand Jewish neighbourhoods where Palestinians end up being forced out one way or another. Same with the villages. But current international law is not about that. History does not give anyone the right to expel someone from a house that has inherited from their parents. And this goes both ways -- with many settlements you should make "tabula rasa", in line with what Olmert proposed, even if those settlements were illegal two decades ago. The thing is that this madness must stop, even though both the majority of Israelis and the majority of Palestinians disagree. Recognize current settlements, OK, but stop at once, make IDF disengage from the West Bank, strictly forbid future settlements, and recognize the Palestinian State as well!
@alizakessler
Ай бұрын
There is no Palestine and that mosque is built on the ruins of 2 Temples
He set a trap and let him tell on himself. Masterful.
The guests who isn't Norman admitted that he does not want the palestinians to have the right to vote.
So funny, vote in Canada...
@calicocat8213
Ай бұрын
Very fitting comparison .
@stunns2003
Ай бұрын
The Zionists and Settlers have clearly lost the argument. “A Settler’s Vision”……..? They’re not even concealing it anymore.
@BamBamGT1
Ай бұрын
@@calicocat8213 It would help if you knew history. Jordan was actually a part of the mandate for Palestine untill 1946. The people in the West Bank had the Jordanian nationality untill 1988, 2 decades beyond 1967. The state of Palestine and "Palestinian people" are fairly recent developments in history.
@caspar_gomez
Ай бұрын
@@BamBamGT1doesnt matter if the palestinians don't live in jordan why would they benefit from voting there
@lycan3868
Ай бұрын
@@BamBamGT1 well actualy the jewish people who came from europe before the 1948 had a palestinian passport and identity, so you saying the "Palestinian people are fairly recent developments in history" is just a lie to make the people who have no idea about the conflict believe that there was no country in that region before the establishement of the israeli state just like the phrase that the zionists used "A land without a people for a people without a land" to justify the colonization in the mid 19's which is not true. palestine have been there before the creation of israel, the balfour declaration itself that was the cause of the creation of israel literally stated the establishement of jewish state in palestine and here is the quote: "His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine". so you better get educated before commenting such things cuz you are just embarassing yourself, that's assuming that you don't know the truth and you weren't just lying on purpose. PS: you can check the internet for every information i stated in this comment ^^
0:45 dont be fooled they are treated as second class citizens its been debuked by people who live there sharing their stories and by second class I mean really and this is putting it in easy words
@caspar_gomez
Ай бұрын
Yes, it really gets tiring having to listen to tjem spin it, like trying to claim black people had no need for a civil rights movement after slavery
@amylolxox
Ай бұрын
@@caspar_gomez thats the point!!!! these rights were not given but it was with protests like this and george flloyd 2020!!!! There are protests now in Congo and other african countries against French and British and US imperialism. So did they leave????? NO these protests are now and not 200 years after slavery ended or when segregation ended this is going on right now. 2024. It ties directly to this. the army bases are still there and they wont leave. If protestors make them leave they will be labelled as criminals. Same with palestinne the people were still in cages before october they were not free and the occupation was still going on everyday for 78 years. Alot of children just ended up born inside the prison walls. They were innocent and inside why? the UN said years ago there was not enough food. To keep them weak food was limited. WTF the same thing happened in South Africa.
@amylolxox
27 күн бұрын
Ikr 😠
By the way, on the B’Tselem channel is a video of ‘settlers’ from Hebron who look like cavemen, and one of them is literally clubbing a group of women for daring to hike on the hills of Hebron, which is outside of Israel’s official borders.
All tespect for the brilliant and courageous Professor Finkelstein. 💞
@alizakessler
Ай бұрын
More like a liar
A genocide by any other name is still a genocide.
Yishai, what a weirdo, like a gaslighting salesman.
‘We can discuss it”. Apparently civil rights & equality are negotiable
Notice he never answered the question just rambled on and on
A settlers vision for the future of Israel? is this a joke, because it wasn't funny.
@alexandermurray1680
Ай бұрын
I am afraid he was serious
He noticed Norm Finkelstein smiling to himself and that's when he realised he'd f***ed up 😆😆😆
so finally he spoke his truth.. "I DON'T LIKE THAT PROPOSAL" .. of all people of a given area being able to vote.. so that's clear.. and we have a name for that already.. it's called Apartheid..
Imagine not being able to answer "Yes" to "one person one vote" while simultaneously calling yourself "the only democracy in the middle east". its baffling
How do these supposedly high standard news papers let and idiotic proposal such that laid by the "other guest" namely, let Palestinians vote in Jordan. He is so proud that he got to publish this stupendous option in the news papers. No wonder people stopped reading news papers
Norman Finkelstein is a force of nature. Good god I'm so happy he's on the right side of history
@alizakessler
Ай бұрын
He is on the wrong side of history.
The term "settlers" was being thrown around to give the impression that those East European invaders were merely innocent migrants trying to "settle" on an empty land!
@alizakessler
Ай бұрын
Jews are not settlers in their ownland
This Fleisher fellow is full of bright ideas. It’s like if I suggested that Israelis only have the right to vote…in Eurovision.
Norman Finkelstein has a place in million's hearts
@alizakessler
Ай бұрын
A liar
He clearly refused Norman's solution
@jimbohouston
Ай бұрын
It's actually not a reasonable solution. The majority of Israeli citizens are committed zionists and they want a jewish state. The only option is to cut off all aid to Israel and let them duke it out into perpetuity. Or, more likely, that the state of Israel will simply rupture and collapse and will get replaced by a Palestinian Government.
@alizakessler
Ай бұрын
Because Norman is a liar
@newonevery740
Ай бұрын
@@alizakessler naaaah he is a G
I love how Normans silent smirk feels like a whole lecture...
He fell into Norman's trap brilliantly. By excluding the one state solution Norman tempted him to ask about it which when articulated by Norman he showed his true colors by saying I don't agree with it. Soooo there you go a guy that is presenting himself as reasonable does not accept the only none genocidal solution. Ergo what Norman said before was accurate. Genius
Imagine America being invaded.. The invaders settle there and then force Americans to apply for citizenship 🤣🤣🤣
@ashwaganda
Ай бұрын
And vote in Canada...
@emmanuelenyinwa1443
Ай бұрын
Isn't this what happened?
When you see Dr. Norman is smiling, that means he caught you red-handed.
“God is not a real estate agency and never promised land for Nazis who have cowardly killed thousands of Palestinian children and women for over 75 years of occupation” ~ A wise man
I'm so glad Norman Finkelstein is becoming well-known, taking on these entitled racists who are so off-putting.
@alizakessler
Ай бұрын
He is a sick liar. It's a shame anyone would believehis lies
When your argument is bad... just interrupt & talk over the other person is a vain attempt to make yourself look better!
The vision of an Israeli settler: Palestinians to be given "permanent residency" in their own but Israeli-occupied land and so can not participate in Israeli elections since they're just residents, not citizens. BUT as a show of generosity and respect, for democratic processes; they (Palestinians) will be allowed by Israel to participate in Jordanian elections. 🤭
@paulmatters2641
Ай бұрын
Presumably these non-citizens would pay taxes to the State of Israel. Taxation without representation. Seemed to have heard that somewhere before? Jefferson, Franklin, Adams. Ring a bell. That other person not Norman is a clown show
He is just saying palastineas may vote but under isrealis supremacy!!! What a democratic country.
"If I don't steal it then someone else will" - Fat Yakob the settler from NY
What I find funny about Israeli spokes people. They try all the bluster but when you have someone like Norman who knows lot bout the issue of Israel and Palestine . They can’t use that bluster.
Man legit said “so called Palestinians” and he thinks he has a solution 🙄
Hahahaha how can he just slip in at the end "I don't like proposal" whilst pretending to be caring about working out a fair resolution!!??! 😂😂😂
Notice that the other guest talks about "democracy in the Middle east" but then has no options for equal rights for the Palestinians, and then when presented with the option for equal Palestinian rights, he doesn't like it. Wow what a DEMOCRACY where half the population wouldn't have equal rights and couldn't vote. Why the hell is my tax dollars going to this joke of a country when Americans in the US need help?
Norman: "One person, one vote" Genocide Apologist: "I dont like that option"
Lmao Norman Finkelstein is such a brilliant & cagey debater without being rude, derisive or needing to raise his voice! He got Mr Fleisher to show his hand: Mr Fleisher doesn't actually believe in a democracy with free Palestinians. We can **propose** that as a starting point, but he doesn't like it & the proposal won't stay on the table very long.
@alizakessler
Ай бұрын
Nope. He is a sick liar.
You have settlers come from Europe, America and Australia squatting illegally on occupied territories and referring to indigenous people as “so called Palestinian” ….how dare he!?
@alizakessler
Ай бұрын
Jews are not settlers in their own land. And yes they are indigenous people of the land. The so called Palestinians are arabs
@Aslan_Reza
Ай бұрын
@@alizakessler European settlers/so called Jews carry German-Polish-Russian-Ukrainian-Estonian DNA, that’s why DNA testing is banned in apartheid Israel!!
@alizakessler
Ай бұрын
@@Aslan_Reza Majority of jews are not European jews and the are not settlers in their own land. DNA testing isn't banned
He was willing to look at other options other than genocide but then not willing to consider one person one vote!! Only option he is offering for palestinans is to live under settlers in state of Israel. Says it all!!
In short: Settler says quote "I don't like that proposal" in regards to Democracy.
The veil of zionism is consistently crushed by asking incredibly difficult questions like "Do you believe Palestinians should have equal rights," "Does that include the right to self-determination," and "Do you believe they are human beings?"
The dude is as obnoxious as a cars salesman on a mission to rip you off. He saw the question Mr. Finkelstein was in the process of throwing his way and he tried, with all his phony salesmanship, to dodge only to swallow his pride in the end and without giving an answer in return. Well played Mr. Finkelstein, well played 👏
@ghana312
Ай бұрын
My thoughts exactly. It was Professor Norman v. a used car salesman. Surprised that Piers made him put a sock in it so that the Professor could finish a sentence.
NEVER GET YOUR OPPONENTS NAME RIGHT. Norm did a great job.
Total gaslighting. These chaps are past masters. Great to hear Finkelstein❤
Just LOOK at images of Hebron. People are LITERALLY separated by fences and barb wire while Palestinians are forced to live on the bottom. Even South Africa was less obvious about their apartheid.
Norm smokes another one!
Okay, Yishai, in that option you said the Palestinian refugees currently in Jordan (and Lebanon, and Egypt and Syria and Iraq) get to come back, but you want them to vote in those countries... That goes the same for all the people who are currently in Israel that came from elsewhere, right? So, all those U.S., U.K., South African, Australian, Russian, Ukrainian, Polish, Hungarian, Argentinian, Uruguayan, etc. etc. etc. etc. imports go back and vite in those countries, right??!
The other guest's lighthearted tone is the banality of evil.
"Isn't that nice?" Sarcastic prks aren't they?!!!!!!!!
Checkmate to Norman
*When the Grandchildren of Joseph Goebbels can write articles on New York Times, I will believe my 2 days old poop has more value than the American press*
Norman, you are a gift to humanity and most rational human being. Grateful for your existence and intelligence
See how piers asks him to stop when he says he doesn't like the option of one person, one vote. Piers always on damage control....
Vote in Jordan.... "Voting in their country". I'm not sure this guy is hearing himself.
fisheye's statement "we can talk about it" means nothing will be resolved and we'll never agree to one person one vote. and i love his settler's american accent, which proves he is from the middle east.
He's prepared to give Palestinians a vote, but in the next country. A criminal mind can only bring out twisted logic!
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@s.bk.655
Ай бұрын
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This was "How to prove your debate opponent's argument" by 'Piers's Other Guest'
Why can’t Israelis live in Palestine! Immigrants don’t get to chose.
They claim they're from the Middle East but they don't sound Middle Eastern
Israel a democracy 😂😂😂😂😂😂
This gentleman is a clown, and not fit to debate a scholar like Norman
Jeez that guy brings whole new realms of meaning to the word ‘smug’
Thank you, Norman
The arrogant always interrupt
Another Norm serve, love it
The problem is is Ray lees are proud of their criminal acts from targeted assassination to the crime of crimes. Bragging about a NYTimes editorial after NYTimes printed the dishonest "screams without words" is no plus for the colonizers imo
Mr. Norman is boss of humanity.