For folks asking about the routing: I worked on this, by myself, for about a week. I was working on other things at the same time, so this took me a couple hours every day, up to maybe 20 hours total. And the routing itself is not very "high tech." Really just a bunch of trial and error. Each Ante starts with a "scouting phase" in which I try to spend as much money as possible to see as much stuff as possible (Booster contents and the shop queue). Once I know what's available/possible, I decide what actions to take and then move onto the next Ante.

@serbianbossman

2 ай бұрын

sweet vid. why choose 2s for your deck and not 5s or something?

@drspectred

2 ай бұрын

@@serbianbossman I answered this elsewhere, but it's for the memes, basically. 5's would score about twice as much compared to 2's, but e117 is close enough to the same as e116. Sock and Buskin, instead of Hack, for retriggered Face Cards is also possible. I wasn't necessarily going for the highest score, just a high enough score.

@burningpottedplants1500

2 ай бұрын

@@drspectredwould it really change that much? Your chips are already so high by base

@DannYIIF

2 ай бұрын

Chips went from 160 base to 280 at the end of scoring -> 60 triggers. Using Kings, the score would be 760 chips, equating to another ~2,7x mult. Total would come out to 1,72e117 - more, but very small relatively speaking.

@samuelefaedo8612

2 ай бұрын

One last optimizantion would be to not sell the brainstorm for the first ankh for the chance to copy it before it gets destroyed giving the ability to balance mults and retriggers instead of being forced to the most left like brainstorm

Haters will say it"s seeded.

@arrowob

2 ай бұрын

balatro is good

@youtubehasbigcringe

2 ай бұрын

@@arrowobnuh uh

@SomberScream

2 ай бұрын

@@arrowob hater spotted

@Nekota416

2 ай бұрын

​@@arrowobr/whoosh

@zackgaming9031

2 ай бұрын

Wouldn’t that mean he’s hating on himself lmao

The amount of times he uses temperance into fool into temperance into fool etc. reminds me of "I USE POT OF GREED, WHICH ALLOWS ME TO PLAY ANOTHER POT OF GREED"

@jc_art_

2 ай бұрын

I cast bank beam on you, doubling your money and skipping your turn, allowing me to cast bank beam on you, doubling your money and skipping your turn, allowing me to cast bank beam on you, doubling your money and skipping your turn, allowing me to cast pickpocket on you, stealing 50% of your total money. Your turn :)

@matthewwhiteside4619

2 ай бұрын

​@@jc_art_is that from a game, or did you come up with it? Googling gets me no results

@NeonValkyrieGaming

29 күн бұрын

@@jc_art_ For my next turn I play [Insert spell that deals damage based on money]

@jc_art_

28 күн бұрын

@@NeonValkyrieGaming the.. betrayal!.. how.. could you..? *dies*

“How bout you let me cook and at the end tell me whether or not you were impressed” real as fuck

@flangalvin5368

2 ай бұрын

bro got me wet with that

@josufh

2 ай бұрын

Coldest shit I heard in my life

@magnuzzs6186

2 ай бұрын

I was indeed impressed by the meal he cooked🥵

@taekwoncrawfish9418

Ай бұрын

I cringed when I heard that tbh

@m4rcyonstation93

Ай бұрын

​@@taekwoncrawfish9418 that makes sense most people are scared of fire

i love how seeded runs let you play in a way that would be heinously reckless if unseeded

@drspectred

2 ай бұрын

Oh, I always play heinously recklessly

@deassssssss

2 ай бұрын

“Hear me out…”

@michaelsperber3644

2 ай бұрын

@@drspectredhe can’t keep getting away with it!

@alexsiemers7898

2 ай бұрын

The $0 temperance at the start perfectly encapsulates this

24:05 "I happen to know that if I use 8 Wheels on this seed, all 8 of them do nothing." me irl

@nouveau_nouveau

2 ай бұрын

Normal wheel behavior.

@user-hn1zz2vc2e

2 ай бұрын

possibility of wheel working and banana joker breaking is the same

@devinward461

Ай бұрын

​@@user-hn1zz2vc2e that's what the government wants you to think

@Regularsarikas

Ай бұрын

will not stop me from trying every wheel I find

@kviaak7979

Ай бұрын

@@user-hn1zz2vc2e You say this like your banana doesn't always break on the first round.

This whole video is pretty funny because it feels like a time loop movie where you actually predict when a waiter will trip and a glass breaks. Balatro day 😂

@gamedude3005

2 ай бұрын

Also super impressive must have taken a pretty good amount of time to route this high of a score

Turns a risk optimization game into just an optimization game where you know the tools on hand and you just try to find a way to best utilize them instead of being careful and taking subpar tools for the sake of safety. A surprisingly interesting fun way to play the game I’m ashamed to never have thought of

@hrash0836

Ай бұрын

It's not your fault the game locks its true fun behind RNG you can't control in a 'real' run

This is super awesome to watch. The optimization pieces that are possible in seeded runs are mind blowing. It would be really cool to see the whole process, meaning see you work a seed once you find one, turning it into a record or whatever you might want.

@ryanwang727

2 ай бұрын

minecraft youtuber cheetahhh??

@DanAnd190

2 ай бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. Really makes me wonder what the whole process of planning these runs out. Would love to watch even a multi-hour video on the process.

i had always been a bit anti-seeded runs until i discovered the unbelievable limits you have pushed the game with seeded runs. i still don’t think i’ll ever end up trying to map a seed but seeing you work your magic is truly unbelievable

@a.v.y8331

2 ай бұрын

yeah I know what you mean seeded runs often feel a bit like "cheating" but really what seeding does is use a whole different set of skills and allows for unbelievable limit-testing in games

@GelatinGhost

2 ай бұрын

@@a.v.y8331 It's like a TAS for speedruns. It's a different skillset but still impressive in its own right.

@myclamish

2 ай бұрын

@@a.v.y8331 don't know if I'd agree that it uses a different skill set... it just takes the risk out of everything. Like if you knew what everything would do before you did it because theoretically you could if you spent enough time... it's just the decision space is astronomically large. I mean don't get me wrong, it can be interesting to watch an unhinged play when you do know what's going to happen, but it turns something that is akin to problem solving into just an optimization puzzle. And I use the term puzzle loosely as it has more to do with scanning through the possible decisions vs solving something that's designed. Like I dunno the other skill set that it feels like is used is just persistence.

I’ve never seen a seeded balatro run before, this seems super interesting. Reminds me of minecraft seeded runs, as well as TAS tactics.

Now this is a certified hood classic

@Nekota416

2 ай бұрын

Underrated comment 😂

Hard agree on seeded and unseeded being very different skills. In unseeded, when you don't know what's coming but you can express skill by knowing what you *could* get and play to your outs for the best, most likely outcomes. But with seed scouting you have to have a serious amount of dedication to know that rolling 90 times in a certain ante will get you a certain joker. This is the first non-endless highscore i'm watching and i'm blown away by how much planning you had to do

From a storytelling perspective, showing me the final hand to start really kept me engaged to figure out how you could possibly get there. That was crazy!

@AliA-ly6yt

2 күн бұрын

Crazy?

@AliA-ly6yt

2 күн бұрын

I was crazy once

I love this, please do more seeded runs in the future! The optimizations are so cool and you’d never see them elsewhere

I definitely agree with the "different skills" opinion. It all comes down to optimization vs reaction and both require a lot of knowledge and brain power. Also that final hand is absolutely insane

Video idea: generate a random seed and try to optimize it to get the maximum score possible (meanwhile you show us how you optimize seeds)

@gdmathguy

2 ай бұрын

that would be sick

always a treat to see a "high power" (for lack of a better phrase) demonstration from the prof, not to say that the regular lectures aren't riveting! 💜

At this point, the biggest QoL would be a patch that lowers the intensity of the flame sounds lmao

@Permafrost1

2 ай бұрын

NO MAKE THEM BIGGER I WANT MY WHOLE SCREEN TO BE IN FLAMES

@dsl69

2 ай бұрын

No, dev better fix unskippable arcana selection.

@RobinClower

2 ай бұрын

Or a "Expand consumables area" toggle

@JB-xl2jc

2 ай бұрын

@@Permafrost1 I WANNA GET CRISPY

I love how many potential records there are for this game, if i had the ability to record id definitely shoot for a few of them myself!

@scintilical9442

2 ай бұрын

OBS is a free recording software, you can easily record even on a crap laptop

Somebody buy this man a Perkeo body pillow! Just kidding. What a delight it is to have someone work this out and show us along the way

Your videos are so relaxing and interesting to me, keep doing what you're doing 🔥

honestly im just mind blown you had the time to design this run alongside all the other videos you do!

Im curious to know how long it took you to research this seed. Did you do it alone? How many runs did you do? How much time did it take? Amazing vid so far, im 40 mins in :)

Incredible run, an instant classic. Love seeing all the seeded run optimizations. A lot of skill and dedication on display!

You know, I commented on the Endless cap about the nature of numbers and how even the 10^308 score the game treats as infinity is, well... infinitely far away from infinity and in reality "no closer than my Deuce High Card" for a handful of chips. Well, haha. I guess you wanted a stronger High Card 2. Can't wait to see how we escape numbers before we escape Ante 8.

Super insightful on how the seeding works. Really cool to see

i just wanna say i loved the video and its insane how much time you mustve put into this. super entertaining!

I really appreciate this seed run, it’s almost like a little glimpse inside how your brain works. This if awesome, thank you.

This might be a terrible idea, but I would like to see you going through the process of routing a seed. What information you track, what you're looking for, etc. When you're describing rerolling the shop thirty or ninety times to find the jokers you want... something about that appeals to me to see it be discovered. Obviously routing the whole thing might be impractical to record, but the first few antes would help us learn how to do it ourselves.

@acidithiobacillusferrooxid3687

2 ай бұрын

Would love that, I honestly can watch anything with his commentation

Great run! Excited to see your next seeded run

This is some serious technology.

that last hand was so satisfying to watch. brilliant work man, keep it up.

I can't even imagine how much work it takes to figure a whole seed out perfectly.

the most well deserved 'but let me cook' I've ever seen

I figured there'd be some sort of completely insane playthrough of this game out there, great fun to see it all broken down with commentary like this! When the legendary joker dupe plus temperance is in hand, you can already feel that this one's going somewhere crazy.

Seeded runs like this are great, I get the same enjoyment out of it as I would watching a TAS. The hyperoptimisation to reach a goal like this is awesome. I don't really care as much for seeded runs where the jokers you want all appear within the first few ante's, and you're able to cruise to the end of the run. At that point you're just playing with training wheels.

Amazing run, you really are a professor of Balatro!! naninf on ante 8 would be insane to see!

cant believe i just sat down and watched all of that, super interesting. best of luck on naneinf!

Wow this is crazy, well done. Gave me a thought .. I'd love to see a "seed optimization" competition where players are given a random seed to work with and have X amount of time to submit the highest score/ante

@electra_

2 ай бұрын

well good news this is like an actual thing that is happening there was a post about it in this channel's community tab the other day

grinding a handful of hours to beat jokerless seems laughable now considering how long I imagine it takes to find and map record viable seeds… you’re insane and I thank you for that

I love seeded runs because it shows you the true potential of the game and of some strategies that may take way too long to find and maximize in a random seed.

I was going to make some Mama Liz's Chili Oil joke but I'm dumbfounded by that final play... absolutely BONKERS. Thanks for the knowledge and the spectacle! :)

I really appreciate the level of explanation -- just right.

I'm too lazy to optimise seeded runs but I was mad I lost a unseeded run that had 2 Poly DNA's, with the Baron, Mime and Brainstorm, so I reran it to overcome the boss that beat me and went on a tear :D Sad I couldn't do it on the inital unseeded run but hey ho. Great job on having the will to path it out.

It’s rare to see someone so insanely good at something they do as you are, this blew my mind

Awesome video, I find this so interesting to watch

For seeded runs, I'm assuming the positions of jokers/consumables don't matter when it comes to copying, only the order of purchase does? So in theory, when getting more than one unneeded consumable, correctly picking which one to sell will end up changing which other consumables get copied by Perkeo, is that correct?

@drspectred

2 ай бұрын

Exactly. It's just super annoying when you have 20+ consumables to 1) route which are the correct ones to sell and 2) mouse over them click the correct ones during the run.

@christ9467

2 ай бұрын

Yes

I saw someone else play this seed to get naninf during endless this run has a different objective, and it's still a great run! thanks for sharing

My evening just got so much better

just started playing and this video is brilliant because you explain everything and how you got there and i learnt so much from watching this so a huge thanks from me. It's so refreshing seeing things and then going ohhh that's how you achieve that, ahhh that's what that does :) the issue of whether this is as good as someone who plays unseeded is mute because you are doing something very different that takes far longer and to work decks out by trail and error takes dedication and skill because you need all the knowledge of everything and then translate it into the best deck and scoring as you can, i mean just the management of the consumables to achieve outcomes is just a thing of beauty if you are a nerd like me. Learning that if you buy the discount it will reduce your temperance income is such a well I haven't been paying attention while playing have I lol.

Absolutely sick run

10 minutes after finishing the video I can still hear the scoring sound in my head! what!! amazing video i was amazed by the "I happen to know X" I was like... how exactly did he happen to learn all rerolls and all the packs lol

wow this is impressive, nice work there !

I’ve been interested to see what you could do with some seeded runs. Idc what people say about seeded runs this is extremely impressive good job

Amazing content my guy!

the level of optimisation of this run is just amazing, seeded or not. wp.

I wonder if you can control which consumable perkeo will be copying. Maybe the order of consumbles matter? If so I think you can make pretty huge optimizations

I wouldn't say that doing seeded runs takes less skill than a random one but I do find it infinitely less fun to know in advance what I'm getting; this is, as you said, just something different. If we were talking just about getting to ante 8 that would be a different story but I'd say this is not your usual Balatro run.

Hey could you include a little list of unlocked jokers used/needed in your runs. I was replaying your run and realised 20 mins deep that I didn't have a joker because I didn't unlock it yet. Otherwise great video thank you very much for all the hours spend finding and perfecting these runs!

Just a quick question… did you get the ankh + ecto dupe strat from nanokami on discord?

@drspectred

2 ай бұрын

I've had it brewing for a while, but he was the first to do it. He made copies of all one Joker, DNA, whereas here I was going for two synergistic Jokers. On this seed, you can get Eternal Dusk and Buskin but not Eternal Idol. Eternal Mime but not Eternal Baron.

@Makowako_

2 ай бұрын

@@drspectredeternal idol would be insane

This was really strange to watch and I loved it.

Incredibly cool video to watch. Im just interested, at 1:05:17 could you not have used the strength card to turn it into a 3? it would still be retriggered by Hack and you would recieve 60 extra chips that would be multiplied by that mult. was there a reason this wasnt done?

I never played this game but as a person who loves optimizations its so entertaining!

Seeded runs are still very impressive. It's similar to routing out a speedrun, there's a lot of fun in that. Is there a seed parser or gamelog that you can use to figure out the rng of the run, or did you do this via trial and error? I'm also curious, what affects rng in this game? Can your rng manipulate future shops, or card orders by playing different hands in previous blinds in the same ante (or different ante even)? Does rerolling shops affect card order as well as the shop queue for that ante? I'd love to know if there's a list that describes this somewhere.

@costa8509

2 ай бұрын

he routed it himself nothing rng is affected by what hand you play i think

But how do people find this kind of seeds ? Like the chance to find one like this is sooo small right?

@Nekota416

2 ай бұрын

People can run scripts to search through seeds. Dunno how it works myself but this is how most op seeds are found. Some can still be found randomly tho

I can't stop hearing or reading "Perkeo" as Perkele

Your voice is very soothing

So shops have their own unique queue per ante. But let’s say in ante 1 you see in the shop ‘Bootstraps’. You don’t want it so you carry on. Now you are in ante 2 and there’s a new shop queue. Could Bootstraps appear again at anytime of are Jokers you have seen in the shop get shuffled to the back of the draw?

For seeded vs unseeded skills, I see it as TAS creators vs regular speedrunners. First knows ins and outs of the game, the code, the very fabric of the game, and can create mesmerizing things over time studying. While the latter doesn't know the game quite as well, but has better quick time decision making and execution

@thisismywill

2 ай бұрын

Both are luck and repetition in this game to be fair

13:58 was convinced you'd say "generally speaking the strategy is, always bet on banana"

Blue chip: This is fine Red multiplier: THIS IS FINE

Big apologies if this question is answered later in the video, but I have to know: why polychrome 2 instead of 5 for the extra chips? Again, sorry if later you get a joker that specifically needs 2, I'll probably delete this comment if that happens

@FranXiT

2 ай бұрын

Nope. Unanswered. I am now just confused.

@davidaugustofc2574

2 ай бұрын

Probably other jokers that had synergies with 2s or the first glass red seal he got was a two.

@drspectred

2 ай бұрын

I did Polychrome 2 for the memes. Poly 5 gets you roughly twice as many points, but e117 is about the same as e116. Eternal Buskin is also possible for Face Cards instead of Hack for low cards.

@FranXiT

2 ай бұрын

@@davidaugustofc2574 your ass didn't even watch the damn video

@gloriousMj

2 ай бұрын

Why are you apologising so much

What happens if you haven't unlocked certain jokers? Does it skip it in the shop queue so you could get to specific jokers in less rerolls, or replace it in the queue with a different joker?

love it!!! i have some questions - in the last round: wouldn't you be able to target the jokers effected by ank and ectoplasm by repositioning your jokers or is this completely random every time? - same question with the targeting of perkeo - does judgement "use up" a joker from the shop or is it a different queue? same with the priestess and celestial packs? - how does the showman really work? does it change every card after buying it or is there a hidden predefined order of cards with duplicates in it, that will be rerolled if you don't have a showman?

@ste1l1

2 ай бұрын

1. Random. 2. Random. 3. I don't know :)

@Makowako_

2 ай бұрын

4. Yes there are duplicates that are normally rerolled

@tinobomelino7164

2 ай бұрын

@@Makowako_ cool thanks!

I'm very curious how you get some infos, for example here you explain that there is one shop lineup by ante, how do you know that? I'm not doubting, just curious

malf has blessed you with many olbaps

Only 15 minutes into the video so far but one question, When you made your gold aces, does the card that you turned into the gold ace matter? i think it was a ten you changed? do you know if you did a different card if the second Ace would be in different spots of the deck?

Let's say I know the seed gives me a certain card in a hand. If I death that card before. will the copy take the same position when drawn or will it be random?

@Makowako_

2 ай бұрын

Good question actually

When you picked up your eternal brainstorm would it not have been better to sell one of the perkeos? It would have given you an additional trigger on seltzer net neutraled on consumables and because your 2 is polycrome you would actually gain in score because you get 2 extra x1.5 vs the single 1.5 off of poly perkeo

How do you go about mapping out an entire seed? The way I’m imagining it’s done (just playing many, many of runs of the seed) seems really tedious.

@Makowako_

2 ай бұрын

That’s what it is

seeing DNA in the final shop made me a little sad. Imagining a run with all these blueprints and brainstorms having DNA early would be so much fun

It would have been *so* funny if at the end he just discarded the hand and lost the run, leaving everyone wanting to see the scoring

Challenge idea for pvp content: give all players the same new random seed, and they have to produce the best non-engame score with X time of preparation

I’m a banker and I sleep with these videos on; I now find myself min maxing my mouse clicks and movements at work

Is it not better to play a 5 instead of 2? Wouldn't the extra chip value matter?

Does the +5 Chips times however many Hacks (plus one) from using Strength in the last Arcana pack make a meaningful difference to the final score?

@NoxiousAffection

2 ай бұрын

Each increase in the last card's rank would add 55 chips to the final score; so if it were: 5: you'd end on 445 chips instead of 280, 10.08e117 4: 8.83e116 3: 7.59e116 It's not substantial, but it's also not *nothing*

how does the procedural randomness in balatro work, the standard packs in particular? Does opening standard packs change the content of other standard packs? Do they get blocked if there is a playing card that would appear in the pack in the shop? also: 27:55 - "We want to maximize the chance that perkeo gives us immolate." Can the consumable that gets copied be manipulated?

@ste1l1

2 ай бұрын

It picks a random consumable. So if you have 4 copies of card A and 1 copy of card B, it's a 80% chance Perkeo gives you a new copy of card A.

Are you gonna make a general guide for using every deck type to its fullest potential

just curious but what accent is it that makes it so that you emphasize the 'e' in eternal so much? Not making fun of you or anything. Just not something I've heard before.

@drspectred

2 ай бұрын

Naturally, I mumble a lot when I talk. When "teaching," I make a conscience effort to enunciate more. As a consequence, I end up overcompensating often, as with "eternal."

@charles7623

2 ай бұрын

@@drspectred understandable

Id be interested to see a video about how you got all this information. Go a little more into depth about the seed rerouting process.

Violet boss: I am large A single 2: Let me demonstrate a fraction of my power.

Did you route this yourself? Edit: nvm how long did it take though?

You could actually go for infinite jokers by using the eternal certificate that pops up on ante 3. So regardless of hand size, it'll always guarentee you a card in hand

Super interesting so far, I'm not far in, but was there ever an argument for copying ankh with perkeo to make more perkeos?

@apia46

2 ай бұрын

interesting, i hadnt thought about this before and am now wondering too

@apia46

2 ай бұрын

actually, i dont think you can get eternal on legendaries

@Xirathen

2 ай бұрын

It would have to be eternal, which is not possible as only shop jokers (or those bought in packs as well) otherwise it copies one perkeo and destroys the one it does not copy

@tiddly5

2 ай бұрын

since the perkeo isnt eternal, you can only ankh it once

@Nekota416

2 ай бұрын

I love how helpful people are in Mr. University's comments, don't get to see community like this much anymore.

Love watching you cook, but how come when I run this seed, my first shop has a Mega Arcana pack and a Baffoon Pack, not 2 Arcana packs?

@drspectred

23 күн бұрын

This was recorded on version 1.0.0n. As of 1.0.1, the first shop (of every run) has a Buffoon Pack. Also, there were changes to some Jokers' rarities, so you will get completely different Jokers when playing on old seeds.

Seeded runs are cool, but in a "fucking around and pushing limits" sense. Like a TAS. If the game gave me save states and I knew how the game handles rng, I MIGHT consider giving it a shot, but as it is its a little too slow of a process for me to even consider trying. That DOES bring up something I'm curious about now. How does Balatro handle RNG? How often do player actions cause "splits" in the timeline, and do they splits ever merge back together (eg the ante 1 boss shop is always the same no matter what you do in the prior shops), or do runs of the same seed careen in entirely different directions at every opportunity to make a different choice? I'm curious what the process of mapping out a seed looks like.

@Makowako_

2 ай бұрын

From what he said in the video it seems to use a lot of queues, a queue for shop cards, a queue for tarots, and apparently they reset every ante, so a they will reemerge every first shop of an ante

Lots of different skills indeed in Balatro... Skill needed to beat challenges is even yet another third skill... I spent 4 days until i got a good seed for the jokerless, but recognizing what is good is not easy... In the first few dozen runs i was just fumbling around

They need a mobile version of Balatro ASAP

"hi you probably wondered how we got here"