This video was more informative than 90% of the youtube mixing videos out there

@billbradleymusic

Жыл бұрын

It just backs up the idea that doing is knowing. You try so hard until you get back to the basics and Bam! In yo face!

Nolly is the Nasa Engineer of Mixing. Learned so much from his teaching.

Balancing levels super carefully is so underrated. Nobody talks about it because it’d be a short video and talking about EQ is more interesting. But at the end of the day, once you get your sounds processed as you want them, the make-or-break thing is gain balance; bringing up bass by half a dB can have a huge impact on the emotional resonance of a song. It’s crazy how much tiny moves can add to the emotion of a track. That stuff can be hard to teach too because it can be tough to judge emotional impact without loads of practice / ear training. “Does this .5 dB on the kick during the chorus support the track better?” At some point the answers to those questions come forward.

@tommy9951

Жыл бұрын

Totally, especially if you’re driving it all into a bus comp. Can change the whole relationship

@huberttorzewski

Жыл бұрын

I agree

@EthanRadell

Жыл бұрын

Litteratly the biggest problem with aspiring mixers. Myself included when I was getting started. Its not flashy or even fun, but it is what will make your mix decent vs PRO. Automation is your greatest friend in the world.

@lippi2171

Жыл бұрын

I experienced this very often that the main problem with my mix was one of the tracks/instruments being too loud. Ironically, a loud guitar track can radically take away from the impact of the overall sound. It's ironic because beginner mixers would like their favorite instrument loud so it's powerful but it actually does the opposite effect, it takes away and can ruin the whole mix. It's not a single track giving power to the mix but the relationship of all the tracks.

@jrfoster1980

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree - and volume automation is very underrated too.

adam is so nollydgeable

@dafook865

11 ай бұрын

Yes nolly

7:48 I’ve felt this whenever I’ve watched Nolly mix and it flipped a switch in my head. To the point that now when I mix I carve a lot into each instrument, without fear, to get my ideal sound. It makes the boosts, saturation and compression moves sound even better because I’m enhancing exactly what I like. The only caveat is you have to know what you’re looking for and how to do it tastefully without being destructive. In the end context is king, but soloing is a powerful tool if you use it right.

This was such a treat. Thanks so much to Jordan and Nolly for making this happen!

I loved this! More of this in depth collaborative videos please 🙏🏻 Thanks Jordan, I’ve learned so much from you over the years. Hardcore Mixing changed my life for sure.

Lots of great perspective in this conversation, many thanks for this.

Thank you to both of you! That was interesting and an awesome experience to get to watch two of my favorite mixing engineers.

Two amazing mixers that I look up to in one video! Thanks for making this possible Jordan.

This video is incredible. Thanks both of you!

Such a killer and insightful interview! Thanks guys!

This was fantastic guys! Thank you for doing this! I’ve learnt so much from both of you over the years and you’ve both had an immeasurable influence on me and my growth as a mixer! Thank you!

Good shit my dude.. so glad I got your course... you are the real deal!

this is such gold content. thanks JV

I'm super late to finishing this, but thanks so much Jordan for putting this on. This "therapy session" was awesome, very reassuring. And grateful for the lightbulb moments sprinkled throughout!

So much talent & knowledge between these two gents

This was so great! I would love it if you guys ever wanted to do this again!

Thanks for doing this Jordan and Nolly.

Regarding the "eqing in solo" thing, I must say, as a Reaper user, one of the most mind-blowing (and yet simple!) features it has is "solo in front", where you solo your track/s but the rest can still be heard in the background and you can easily change the overall level of that background. It´s SO amazing, adds so much flexibility!

@jorge_oliveira

Жыл бұрын

Hey, what is that "solo in front" thing? I use reaper but dont know that

@andreasgiese

Жыл бұрын

it's the same in Cubase - there it is called the "Listen Button" (has an L on it)

@NACHOTHEIST

Жыл бұрын

This comment changed my mixing! I paused the video after reading it to set up Reaper to solo in front. So useful, it makes mixing much faster and it is a little humbling hearing your moves more in context. I finally came back to finish the video today. So thanks for bringing this up! It has made a big difference.

@sergiogabaldongarcia3492

Жыл бұрын

@@NACHOTHEIST Amazing! So glad to help! 🖤

Very thanks for doing this!) you're both really great mixers!)

Great content Jordan. I also find de Nolly plugin to be awesome. I've been learning from both of you guys for years now. Thanks for everything.

My two favorite producers in the same video?!?! You guys have both produced several of my favorite albums, to have both of your prospectives in the same video is seriously crazy, I definitely never saw this one coming. Great job (on everything) you guys

Holistic and pragmatic approaches from you guys. I really appreciate the bit about atoms moving around the room. Also being a person that has been producing and mixing electronic music in Detroit for the last 10 years I’m really loving learning all the techniques needed to get raw material sounding good as I transition into recording and mixing bands.. thanks guys this was very helpful

My two favorite producers on a podcast. Love the work you put out Jordan

OMG THIS IS GREAT! I love this…it made me lives!

Really enjoyed this conversation, great job guys :)

That was so fun, thanks guys!

Speaking of therapy, this was therapeutic to listen to as well. Hah. I loved it, and hope you guys do it again soon.

This was great! Thanks for this!

O gosh I missed this one. Them together ❤. They are both my only KZread teachers and one of the fewer who knows what they’re talking about.

Enjoyed the content interesting conversation of the recording techniques and workflow.

I recently started using a downward expander on my drums instead of a gate and it has changed my life. My band’s drummer LOVES to hit cymbals and the snare at the same time, so using the expander makes it so I can slam the snare with as much compression as I want and the high end won’t blow out.

Wonderful conversation guys.

What a cool chat, I loved the laid back "two guys talking shop" kind of vibe to it... But it felt like a real conversation rather than something forced for a show. Really, really good interview & discussion.

LOL "You can get away with murder as long as the bleed isn't too bad" - Nolly about cutting mids out of toms. @1:16:53

This was awesome, lucky to pickup some tidbits, gonna try the saturn 2 trick

Funny thing is they’re just doing the same thing with EQ, but in different ways. Jordan boosts where his desired frequency is, Nolly removes everything until it is basically just boosting the desired frequencies left.

Best thing on the internet for us ❤️

This is an AMAZING VIDEO!!!!

hey I'm your big fans since I get attached to your KZread channel my mixing now getting to a next level and all the things you shared is true. I be shd known this long time ago bro🙏🙏🙏🙏 cheers from the Solomon islands

Thanks! Great video!

You should get Taylor Larson on one of these. Would be a great convo as well

The more i listen to pro mixers. The more i realize there is no one best way. Every one of them does it differently.

This was fun!

awesome discussion, really insightful. Would actually be amazing to see you try mixing "Nolly style", Jordan. And vice-versa, Nolly trying to mix Jordan/CLA style. Because so many people are asking for the Neumann mic model for snare top micing: There are only 2 handheld condenser mics from Neumann, the KMS 105 and KMS 104. I'm pretty sure Nolly means the KMS 105, because that mic has a super cardioid polar pattern which essentially is almost like a shotgun mic, so it rejects a lot of cymbal bleed. The KMS 104 "only" uses a normal cardioid pattern, still probably an amazing mic for snare.

The best mixers mix to serve the artist's vision. Final decisions should be made by the artist, its their art. Too many mixers want to play artist with the artist's creation and change or inflict intent, which is fine, if the artist's agree.

Great insights.

Regarding drum quantization: There's a GREAT podcast by Kendal Osborne from The Recording Lounge podcast. He's a legit producer whose main gig is the studio/production and only rarely releases any other podcast/video content. Episode 140 of his podcast is titled "How the Drum Sound Affects Feel, Groove, and Vibe." The argument he suggests - if I remember correctly - is that a quantized kick/snare rarely destroys a groove and that groove is much more of a dynamics thing than a timing thing. Especially in the rock genres. And Kendal is a much more "natural" music guy than a lot of us heavy rock guys are. When he says something like that and you guys say something similar I'm always going to be inclined to act in a similar way.

Super interesting conversation

The very last snare hit on Periphery IV, the end of Satellites..... you hear the room so well and I couldnt imagine a better way to end that record. Well, other than suck my balls, but musically speaking lol. I love so much how Nolly includes the room sound in the snare hits most of the time.

love this content. although I would have loved a sample sound of this mix at the beginning for some context.

Adam, good move to the headphones! Thank you 🤟

Amazing!

Nice Nerd-Talk. i liked it alot

Awesome!

"Hey! Vsauce! Nolly here"

His take on ns10 transients is right on point.

Can you guys please another one of these?

Really good discussion guys and so much to think about. For me, I spent years trying to get a good mix using cuts and it just does not work. The mix can be almost there but you end up with dull or weird sounding mixes. Then I saw Chris Lord Alge do a mix and he barely cut. I found it hard to let go of the technique I had spent years honing. Then I came across Jordan's channel and it reminded me I may need to change direction in my mixes so I adapted his thinking. Now finally after all these years, my mixes sound polished and professional

@AS-mt2we

Жыл бұрын

So bro what is barely cut like how much should I cut only low cut and leave rest of the frequencies or how?

@coreygarrett9545

Жыл бұрын

I was lucky enough to sit in with CLA years ago for a seminar, it was indeed amazing how he boosted like crazy and barely cut.

@EthanRom

Жыл бұрын

@@coreygarrett9545 To be fair those tracks are already EQ'd to a certain degree by his assistant. So the cuts were already made in advance during the tracking stage or during the prep.

@coreygarrett9545

Жыл бұрын

@@EthanRom true but unless it was a track that needed major fixing the cuts were quite small compared to the amount of boosting which was quite large, the class was actually surprised because it really went against traditional wisdom of "don't boost too much it sounds bad", Tony Maserati on the other hand did less boosting and more cutting, but when he did boost it would be stronger than you think (just maybe not quite as aggressive as CLA), dramatically changing the sound not just a tiny little bump. But he would automate it during certain parts a lot (another thing a lot of people don't think to do, automating stuff like EQ boost/cut amount)

I have such a love hate relationship with mixing. but this was really cool and informative

Is there a video of how to do the Saturn trick on the Snare? Would love to give that a try

Loved this. Only gripe would be about quatizing the drums. IMHO, quantizing is a tool to be used to FIX something. Drummers have "feel" just the way a singer does. I would never touch the drums of a good drummer. That being said, there are a lot of not so talented drummers out there that need the help. Thanks for taking the time.

I recently learned that monitors Frequency trancient is more important that frequency responce in terms of mix translation

Pure gold! Also that fabfilter Saturn trick has been the key to me not having to use sample on my drums for years! So cool to see that the great Nolly himself uses the same trick!!

@bryankelso3668

Жыл бұрын

Is there a video on this trick? I’ve been searching around but couldn’t find anything. Would love to see how it’s done

@AforAleph

Жыл бұрын

@@bryankelso3668 great idea for a quick video - I’ll try making one myself

@gitsgod

Жыл бұрын

@@AforAleph I would be very interested in that too!

@mrcoatsworth429

Жыл бұрын

I didn't quite catch what exactly that does. Can you explain what Saturn does to reduce the cymbal bleed so much? Something about a dynamics knob, he mentioned.

@jobelewis6416

Жыл бұрын

@@mrcoatsworth429 If you turn the dynamics knob up on each band it compresses it, if you turn it down it expands it - he’s doing that on the high band

Back in '80 Metallica recorded Master of Puppets drums at slower speed and then speeded up to sounds tighter. Basically a form of quantizing.

I’d love to engineer a project with both of you. Both so damn good 👍

Nolly is really investing on his monitoring environment (daym those Kii monitors), and it's definitely worth the shelling.

Does anybody remember the video of Nolly mixing Devin Townsend's song and looking for a computer with Logic? and I think they installed it for him in the end.

Hi guys.. Did he mention if this streaming is going to be taking down again anytime soon? Thank you. 🙂

at the end of the day it is all about taste. And people have different tastes.

Nolly was using a potato for a webcam at the start then plugged in his Logitech C310 a minute in for extra sharp quality.

I don’t quantize the drums. I lock everything else to them wherever they fall. Still tight as hell but retains the feel. But it’s progressive. Not modern metal. And I’m the drummer, Bassist and vocalist. So there is no one to fight me on it. Lol

@edwardrummer

Жыл бұрын

The joys of being a (nearly) one man band! Haha fair play to you 🤘🤘

@jonathanebers9422

Жыл бұрын

I've heard that's what animals as leaders (my favorite band) does. Their music is so fast paced and all over the place that they want to retain the feel of having a real drum groove and pocket. Otherwise they'd probably actually sound like robots.

@edwardrummer

Жыл бұрын

@@jonathanebers9422 they actually discuss Matt and animals during this podcast/interview, always great to hear different approaches and how precise Matt is

@jonathanebers9422

Жыл бұрын

@@edwardrummer yeah once I got to that spot I was like "whelp waddayah know" haha

Hell yes

I absolutely relate to "borrowing" someone's chain or mixing approach, even on the exact same or a very similar source, and it just doesn't work for me.

Audix d6 on toms are greate in my humble opinion

So throw Saturn 2 on my snare track, make a band for just the high mids (2-6khz) and turn down the dynamics knob? And that will drastically reduce cymbal bleed? Kind of like a cleaner gate?

GGD PV CONFIRMED!!!

What video of Nolly is being referenced? Is there a video or course out?

Josephsons on toms. Kurt Ballou and Albini style.

Adam's moving atoms. 😀

The grid. That's why most all music today sounds the same regardless of genre. Beato had a vid, "Computers Ruined Rock Music". I agree for the most part.

Personaly i think the band,like Nolly in this case with this song, should have more to do with the mixing as they should know what sound they are looking for...as he played the bass part i gotta give it to Nolly....their is different ways to doing things ,does'nt mean Jordan got it wrong it's just that if Nolly played bass & the band were happy with his mix then fine..we all mix things differently even though their are some common sense rules we all have our own way of doing things,anyone trying would mix the song differently...does'nt mean it's wrong ,unless the band don't like it...more musicians should get into mixing their own bands material imo....good chat guys

What handheld Neumann Condenser was Nolly saying that Peter Miles of Middle Farm recommends?

@Nilsje

11 күн бұрын

Neumann KMS 105

As a person who lives in rent houses and apartments, I have no space for the drum set I have....but I am using a drum module and a rock/metal drum library....is it better to simply record the audio from the library instead of going through MIDI processing, especially seeing my computer slow down after I start using 15 or more tracks? there was a project where I had about 4 or more midi for simply rerecording in order to transfer the new performance to the original performance, especially if and when I made a mistake in the original. My thoughts are involving the amount of trouble MIDI can be, especially remembering the slowness I'm worried it brings.

@YeahButStilll

Жыл бұрын

Yeah midi tracks eat up much more RAM than audio files. Also running lots of plugins like virtual drums, guitar amp sims, melodyne, etc uses a lot of CPU. Bouncing those tracks down to audio and removing those plugins will help a lot. Just remember to take off any other added effects off (EQ, compression , etc) before bouncing it so you can still adjust those while mixing.

Did they ever say which Neumann mic Nolly used on the snare?

@Nilsje

11 күн бұрын

Neumann KMS 105

Nolly is just the most kind sounding humans. Such a proper gent.

Saturn example of bleed reduction at 21.45

ah man, the voice coming out of the speaker

New GGD in a few weeks ??

Ai Summary for you all with short attention spans haha ;) 06:24 The video begins with the host and Nolly introducing themselves and discussing their excitement for the live stream and their past conversations about different videos. 08:29 Nolly explains that he was nervous about an experienced mix engineer reviewing his work but was relieved to find that the reviewer’s opinions aligned with his own decisions and goals in the mix. 12:03 The host expresses his nervousness about offering feedback on Nolly’s mix and discusses the specific mix decisions that he found unique and effective. 16:59 The conversation shifts to Nolly’s approach to adding space to sounds, particularly vocals and lead guitars, where he leans more on delay rather than reverb, emphasizing the use of subtle delay for a cleaner sound. 25:30 Nolly discusses his approach to using live recorded drum tracks, noting the importance of mic positioning, drum room, and the drummer’s performance in creating a unique and high-quality sound. 33:59 The host and Nolly discuss the anxiety they experience during the mixing process, particularly regarding the initial excitement, mid-process doubts, and eventual confidence in the final mix. 42:26 The host outlines his specific steps for approaching a mix, including naming and organizing tracks, setting up buses and routing, rough balance and panning, heavy lifting (processing), and automation. 46:53 Nolly shares his experience with automating overhead mics to ensure consistent high-end energy in the mix, and the importance of addressing specific mix issues early on in the process. 50:55 The speaker discusses using a compressor for mixing and explains how they use Fabfilter Pro C2 for a crushed mix, using pre-emphasis to prevent excessive snare capture and using a high pass filter in the side chain to focus on the high end of the snap. They also mention a plugin called Oxygen that filters out the high end and compresses it specifically. 55:24 The conversation shifts to discussing automation, with the speaker explaining their process of automating drums first, followed by bass and guitars, and saving special effects for the end to avoid getting lost in presets. They also mention a final listen through with minimal distractions to finalize the mix. 59:25 The speaker and their guest discuss their approaches to using amps and speakers for guitar tones, with one focusing on verifying information for consistent results. 01:07:55 They discuss their preferences for using microphones on drums, with one favoring Sennheiser e604s and the other discussing the use of Sennheiser e604s and the challenges of mixing purely electronic music. 01:16:24 The conversation ends with a discussion on mixing techniques and the importance of taking breaks and changing contexts to identify issues in a mix. Overall, the video features a conversation between two individuals discussing various aspects of music production, including mixing techniques, automation, and using specific equipment for recording and mixing.

Jeez kii three are $7000 monitors now im really sad with my hs8 s and explain my frustration with them

@SirDolittle

Жыл бұрын

Get some Neumann KH120, they are the best bang-for-buck REAL entry level Monitors. Flat as a ruler, very good dynamic bass and clean, detailed high end. You can later get a KH750DSP Sub to complement them, with build-in phase alignment and room correction My friend has this setup in his studio and it is insane. When played in an acoustically treated room, it'll make your hairs stand up and your girlfriend cry because it is so emotionally overwhelming, listening to music on such a level. The next step up would be Geithain RL904 or PSI A17-A.

who needs limiting... just put a clipper everything!

Fun fact, “Nolly” is British for “gnarly” “That’s a Nolly mix ya got there.” Why yes it is (EDIT: 1:00:52 there it is. The angry Nollyness)

What this illustrates is there is no single way. All the preachers need to step back from their egos and listen more. Boosting EQ works sometimes, but I rarely start there. Hi pass, level, and pan position are the first steps. (Yes, pan position changes the tone.) Then lowering some frequencies. Then a slight EQ boost to bring out the details. Seems many mixers forget about the details and dynamics of music. They process and remove detail and dynamics. (I never need to boost greater than 4-5 db.) Over saturation, over compressing, and clipping are things I rarely if ever use but are seriously over used by many.

I feel like Nolly hasn't actuall watched that much of Jordan's content... For him to say Jordan doesn't use that much snare compression, come on.

You don't mix in solo. It's been tried over and again. The button is there for a reason but it isn't mixing with using only one track.

Nolly explaining solo mixing would be like listening to Gordon Ramsey explain the different flavor profiles of 15 different salts and why you can’t use certain ones.. dude most people don’t operate that way.. and explaining to people to mix in solo is why most mixes by amareaturs sound like ass

@djstringsmusic2994

Жыл бұрын

Why would he explain mixing outside of solo if that's not what he does and no what he's comfortable with? This is a chat specifically about what Nolly does and differences between the two of them.

Why does Nolly looks so disinterested

Btw those Kii Three speakers he’s talking super casually about…are made of pure Unobtainium…they’re hard to even get your hands on in North America and they’re £18k Which is like $25k UsD…which is $35k CaD here in canada…safe to say most of us will never see those…and having a conversation about next gen DSP super speakers with the NS-10’s is like a guy driving a Bugatti drinking sparkling water like andrew tate having a convo with a dude driving a sup’d up honda civic from the 90’s who is drinking redbull