Not even sure who are more happier Pawel or community 😂 Good job, long live iNAV

@FPVUniversity

2 ай бұрын

Happy flying!

You CAN setup without the compass if you select FAKE in the compass type setup page and set up your navigation modes then turn the compass off (to none) and it will work 😎😎😎

@iCrazy414

2 ай бұрын

So if I understand you correctly, you don’t need a physical magnetometer installed to proceed?

@DanielSingerX

2 ай бұрын

@@iCrazy414 correct! I’ve done a build from scratch using a gps without a compass and had everything work with navigation modes using this technique

@Mindauxx

2 ай бұрын

thanks for the tip. My quad does not have i2c port (mamba f405 fc), so your suggestion is lifesaver

@Mau_DelS

2 ай бұрын

this is fantastic, i broke the SCL pad on my Flywoo explorer and didn't want to buy a new FC just for it, my only hope was waiting for INAV to make resource mapping in CLI...

@Mindauxx

2 ай бұрын

@@DanielSingerX I have tried that, but when I set magnetometer to FAKE, i get red flag on mag sensor and still cannot proceed and set the nav modes (pozhold, rth, cruz). What should I do?

This is beautiful,im. Moving to inav!

@FPVUniversity

2 ай бұрын

Happy flying!

„it‘s not perfect“ is an understatement. there is up to a 69° difference 😂

Now make the GPS work with just the compass! 😂

@FPVUniversity

2 ай бұрын

lol

@johnmoser1162

2 ай бұрын

How do you think navigation happened before GPS ... 🙂 ... google "dead reckoning". Still required know how if you want to pass a basic boating or pilot license (in many countries).

@flat-earther

2 ай бұрын

@@johnmoser1162 hi johnmoser, have you become a flat earther yet? If not I suggest viewing the 13 part series _what on earth happened_ in my about to learn how the earth is not a globe

@johnmoser1162

2 ай бұрын

@@flat-earther My answer got censored ... 🙂 ... guess ppl just dont get it that dead reckoning is the solution in Ukraine ... [edit: may be you should look at a (paper) map and wonder why the earth suddenly has become flat ... 🙂 )

@jiatan_fpv

2 ай бұрын

That's how ballistic missile guidance works :)

this - is - amazing! can't wait to try it!

For a second here I was under the impression that this was some elaborate April 1st prank.

@sigterm15

2 ай бұрын

but it is

@FPVUniversity

2 ай бұрын

Nope, real deal. happy flying!

This really helps. I keep wanting to put my GPS/compass module in a higher place, but all of the places I'm looking at potentially create electromagnetic fields. Being able to skip that concern would be a huge benefit!

Magnetometer makes the flight controller work better and the autonomous modes are accurate.

@FPVUniversity

2 ай бұрын

yes, that is absolutely correct. Happy flying!

Very cool. Thank you ! Now please make bi-copter setup. Thank you

As long as your quad is moving laterally, it should be able to compute from it's last couple of GPS position recordings which heading it is going fairly closely, even in a curve turn, if it does the right math to compute the curve. It's only when you are hovering and yawing around that you would need a compass.

I love you pawel!

Awesome!

@FPVUniversity

3 ай бұрын

Glad you think so!

Well, that's good. My GPS module have built-in compass anyway but not having to run 2 more wire is always a plus.

Congratulations.....🎉

@FPVUniversity

2 ай бұрын

Happy flying!

Cool!

Good news, especially for owners of smaller quads where there's usually not enough space to keep the magnetometer away from the high current electrics.

What is the best iNav FC to buy today for long range quad? standard 30x30 size. Looking for one to buy. Subscribed to the newsletter!

@FPVUniversity

2 ай бұрын

Depends. I have all my bug drones made with Matek H743-Slim for example

If the quads moving, it knows where North is... I knew this years ago...lol...😏😀🇬🇧

Veyr nice ill stick with the mag though

I have a compass & hope to use it in conjunction with the GPS. I'm seeing many videos of the new INAV having many issues in flight modes :/

I know there are several videos out there to convert from betaflight to INAV. I have spredybee master 5 V2. After installing INAV my quad flip flop like fish out of water / crashed Can you do a video update how to install and set INAV on speedybee master 5. Thank you 🙏

And what about the UWB positional tracking?

How fast is the heading estimation, or should I say, how far do you need to move before it gets a decent lock and how often does the facing lock refresh?

@MarcFPV

2 ай бұрын

if you look at the video.... maybe 20-30m? better 50m to be sure.

Pretty interesting indeed! Thanks, Pawel! 😊 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

@FPVUniversity

2 ай бұрын

Thank you! Will do!

When the sanity check on the compass fails, INAV 7.1 falls back on magnetometer-less navigation?

@MarcFPV

2 ай бұрын

yes, that was the main intention, to have safety for sensor failures. The mag-less operation is a lucky side effect.

It doesn't take very complicated math to calc direction with a good GPS (two points-just ONE line). So, will you pressure the GPS manufacturers to omit the unnecessary compass and drop the price of those units (like a great M10 without the compass)?

Now accurate is it in the landing position comparing with compass and without?

@FPVUniversity

2 ай бұрын

That depends on how clean gyro traces are, how good heading estimate was in the beginning and a few other things. In general, with mag is more presice. By how much, you have to check by yourself

barometer is a fundamental feature for the INAV RTH, position and more?

@FPVUniversity

2 ай бұрын

INAV can work without baro for years, but it's highly advised to have one and it increases accuracy by a considerable factor. GPS is not very precise in terms of altitiude

Should I calibrate the magnetometer on my quad with or without the battery in place? (Asking for a friend).

@FPVUniversity

2 ай бұрын

With,

rejoice!

hello Pawel, I found a 1-2S TAKER F411 flight controller with a barometer which was amazing and now that you don't need a compass, I was going to use it in inav7.1 as it is the last inav for F411flight controllers. I looked in Inav firmware flasher and there is only a TAKER722SE, is it possible to get firmware for TAKER F411?

I assume this isn't going to work in windy conditions since the groundtrack will be pretty skewed? I fly in up to 90kph winds quite a bit recording kiteboarding and windsurfing.

@FPVUniversity

2 ай бұрын

Nope, it won't work well with strong sidewind indeed

@extraace

2 ай бұрын

@@FPVUniversity ok, thanks!

Speaking of reasons to use BF, what's stopping Inav from using the same accelerometer calibration method as Bf?

@FPVUniversity

2 ай бұрын

you mean the inferior one with only 1 axis calibrated that is basically useless when ACC is to be use for position estimation? That one?

@ImperialArmour

2 ай бұрын

​@@FPVUniversity Idk how many axes it calibrates, but in angle mode it's more level than the manual calibration i managed to get with Inav.

Bingo. I was going to tear apart my HD Rekon3 but now if it doesnt need SCSD I want to see how it handles INAV.

So it's good time to add obstacles avoidance?

@FPVUniversity

2 ай бұрын

Niah, not needed I think

I just installed 7.0 on fresh F405 wing mini from Speedybee. No gps connected. It shows almost correct heading north anyway in orientation settings. What gives?

@MarcFPV

2 ай бұрын

when you power up the FC it will always set the yaw direction to 0° and then use the gyro from there. It does not matter in what direction the craft "looks". It will always show north when powered up.

THIS IS ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ hope to have the cofiguration working without magnetometer as well to have a full compatibility with most of the GPS drone coming out or in the hope the manufacter will start use a gps+compass units

@FPVUniversity

2 ай бұрын

This has a chance to be fully enabled in INAV 8 later this year

@Mau_DelS

2 ай бұрын

@@FPVUniversity thank for the hard work of everyone Pavel! this is a fantastic information!

The irony here is, most GPS now come with compass onboard AND a ready to use cable..plug and play. Even the plug sockets are six pin for the Mag...Now you want to ditch it?....Back in iNAV 4.0 I was using a Mag on my quad. RTH and Autolanding all worked perfect including Position hold....My problem is, all my quads fly better overall using BF...The irony eh?....😳😮😀🇬🇧 All my planes are iNAV..😏

@ugpfpv361

2 ай бұрын

What characteristics are better with bf over iNav, I'm just looking to use it for LR so no freestyle, is it as stable for just doing cinematic shots? Thanks

@ayoaina_fpv

2 ай бұрын

On small quad builds, you sometimes have to go to great lengths to achieve enough physical separation b/w the compass and other electronics to ensure there’s no interference. So mag-free navigation is very welcome! 😊

@EnglishTurbines

2 ай бұрын

@@ugpfpv361 The quad flies smoother on BF, but if you want a reliable RTH iNAV is a good choice for a LR quad. The other thing is motors. On iNAV you can't use Dshot 300 or 600 without risking motor overheating I found. Be very careful. Short hover trials and check motor temps. I'm sure PID tuning will fix it but BF just works out the box I find...My GPS is mounted on a small printed pillar above the HD FPV Camera about 60mm high... Fast GPS lock and 26 Sats is normal for me...Set the Compass and check it's seeing North correctly using the numeric heading...🤔😳😏🇬🇧

Hello FPV University, Is it possible to setup a VTOL like Tom Stanton in Inav? If you have not seen the video: In Vertical mode it should act like a normal Bicopter, but in forward flight its Yaw-axis should be controlled by differential thrust, the Roll-axis by tilting the servos (moving the right one up and the left one down would create a left roll) and the pitch-axis by a elevator. Best regards

Czesc Paweł. Mam taki przypadek - dron wpada mi w toilet bowl mimo, ze na poczatku latalem po prostej, nawet povparu minutach latania w position hold lub RTH ciagle wpada w toilet bowl. Pomaga tylko wyłądowanie i ponowne uzbrojenie silnikow, po wystartowaniu w position hold trzyma sztywniutko. W czym moze byc problem?

@FPVUniversity

16 күн бұрын

to magnetometr. Lub zbyt silne wibracje. Ale pewnie magnetometr

@tomaszsz757

16 күн бұрын

@@FPVUniversity Mam gps bez kompasu. Dziwne że po wylądowaniu i ponownym starcie już tego nie ma.

@FPVUniversity

15 күн бұрын

@@tomaszsz757 Sensor Fusion się resetuje. A skoro nie masz kompasu podejrzewam zbyt dużo wibracji i IMU wariuje

@tomaszsz757

15 күн бұрын

@@FPVUniversity FC jest na gumowych antywibracyjnych mocowaniach, śmigła nowe, silniki nowe. Fizycznie trudno mi znaleźć coś do poprawki. Czy ustawienia dynamicznych filtrów by coś poprawiło?

IMO it should warn user depending on the quality of accelerometer and gyroscope

@MarcFPV

2 ай бұрын

That's why its experimental :) But feel free to open a feature request on github for that. Its a good idea.

But seriously, since it costs so little.. why not install the magnetomer?

@FPVUniversity

2 ай бұрын

You have to ask pilots that prefere, for unknown reasons, not to

@MarcFPV

2 ай бұрын

because it allows the build of tiny quads with GPS that don't need to install a heavy and long pole to get the compass away from power wires.

Czy to znaczy że inav 7.1 wcale nie używa kompasu? Inav 7.1 przestał wspierać nawigację opartą o czujnik magnetometru?

@FPVUniversity

2 ай бұрын

Używa jak ma. A jak nie ma to nie używa a dalej wszystko działa

@piotrwojtas3501

2 ай бұрын

Dzięki za szybką odpowiedź.

Hi Pawel. Does Inav Vtol can use this compass-less feature too?

@FPVUniversity

2 ай бұрын

yes, it's platform agnostic

@skelethornbro

2 ай бұрын

@@FPVUniversity great. Thanks!

Will the accelerometer eventually become not supported (like in Betaflight) or will it always be useful as one source of data?

But don’t you give up some degree of reliability by deleting mag?

@FPVUniversity

2 ай бұрын

Yes you do. This is a tradeoff. But you don't have to give up mag. Magless is only an option

I don’t think that was documented. It still states t hav gps and compass for the best navigation.

@FPVUniversity

2 ай бұрын

Becuase it's recomended for best performance

magnetometer (aka Compass) is a bitch! Finally good news inav users who don't always take off from a field in the middle of nowhere!

Your prononciation with your excited explanation is so AWESOME! No matter what you trying to explain.

@FPVUniversity

2 ай бұрын

Happy flying!

i'm used on betaflight 4.4.2 just for fun...it work witout compass...😂😂...i think no gps is ok for me...why????? becouse im freestyle only 😅...not longrange ...longrange for rich people

Now need only compass for navigate then gps jamer on in Ukraine

@FPVUniversity

2 ай бұрын

that will not really happen

@angelnunez6476

23 күн бұрын

gps jammers mess with agnetic fields so no

@FPVUniversity

22 күн бұрын

@@angelnunez6476 This is not how GPS jammers work

@angelnunez6476

22 күн бұрын

@@FPVUniversity Its a side effect of them. Its already been a problem for aircraft flying in these zones due to the lack of gps and wonky compass readings.

Or you can just pay the extra 2 dollars and get the version of GPS with compass

@MarcFPV

2 ай бұрын

plus add a pole or a back-facing selfie stick to get the GPS far enough away from Power wires to actually work ;)

@Mau_DelS

2 ай бұрын

i think the problem isn't the price, most kwad come with GPS preinstalled, maybe they don't know how to solder or the FC doesn't have scl sda pad for the compass or (like me) are very dumb and break the pads while try to solder the cables XD

@user-st9bo4sh6e

2 ай бұрын

It is not the price, but the GPS installation method of many drones can not avoid magnetic field interference.

now earth gravity is crazy...dont used magnetometer!!... using flight tracking is more accurate

so you have to rely on a third party by sacrificing the self reliance? stick with compass.

What we have learned from Ukraine war is, GPS is more likely not to available then the good old magnetic compass.

@angelnunez6476

23 күн бұрын

Gps jammers mess with magnetic fields rendering magnetic compasses useless

@johnmoser1162

23 күн бұрын

@@angelnunez6476 Ha ha ha ha ha ... I guess you should go back to basic school ...

@angelnunez6476

22 күн бұрын

@@johnmoser1162 I bet you should go learn about how electronic warfare works and what it does to the electromagnetic spectrum in order to jam or spoof gps signals. Something you will not learn in school :)

@johnmoser1162

22 күн бұрын

@@angelnunez6476 I have a masters in EE ...may be you should make yourself familiar with Maxwell's equations. To affect a magnetic field in lets say 50km distance you need a super strong magnetic source ... even a child could build a missile to strike that source ... 🙂 ... with a compass to direct the missile ... ha ha ha.

@angelnunez6476

22 күн бұрын

@@johnmoser1162 "even a child could build a missile to strike that source"- Yeah there called HARMS and destroy the source of this EM disturbance. These weapons do not use compasses and instead use inertial navigation and seeker designed to find these devices. So you can try to outsmart me on this but you should know that these devices are much more powerfull than you think. Some go further than 100 miles (wich is over 3 times farther than 50km) and have proven troublesome for Aircraft flying with compasses, making them reliant on guidence using gps or INS.

April fool ?

@grimripperrr

2 ай бұрын

Lmao haha

@FPVUniversity

2 ай бұрын

nope, real deal

April 1st joke?

@FPVUniversity

2 ай бұрын

nope, real deal

still underdog compared to ArduCopter

@FPVUniversity

2 ай бұрын

Function wise? Yes. User friendliness wise? Man, Mission planner gives you so much emotions... Funny fact, INAV does not even try to compete with ArduPilot in terms of advanced navigation features. We close the gap, but have so much more areas when INAV just shines comparing to Ardu

Moving to INAV because of the best in class GPS-enabled modes: 🫷😒 Moving to INAV because of Unicorn filter: 👈😏 Moving to INAV because it kills fewer people per year than Ardupilot: 🤯

@FPVUniversity

2 ай бұрын

Happy flying!