That ending captures it: "I'm sure you believe everything that you're saying, but I'm saying if you believed something different you wouldn't be sitting where you're sitting."

@waingro5834

5 жыл бұрын

That is what the young people call getting pwned.

@ChrisHutchison

5 жыл бұрын

Prescient in so far as his interviewer, a young Andrew Marr, has virtually built his entire career in evidencing that point

@therealBAR

4 жыл бұрын

100% correct. This is SUCH a powerful illustration of how Manufacturing Consent and the propaganda model of media works in practice. I hope people who get this will share this video and shorter clips of it FAR and WIDE, because once you see it and understand it, you'll notice that it's happening all day, every day on every mainstream platform.

@naveed210

3 жыл бұрын

@@therealBAR even worse Brian, I think it happens in most work places not just the media. Employers might entertain 1 or 2 of the ideas an inquisitive employee may hold, but will make absolutely sure of it that his or her progress and influence is curtailed. Imho I think there’s more agreement in favour of the elite and privileged here in the British press than there is in the USA.

@marcuslouison3998

3 жыл бұрын

Check mate!

''... but, if you believed different, you wouldn't be sitting where you're sitting...' Devastating. I'd have a tough time getting to sleep that night.

@ryanchristians2924

5 жыл бұрын

jones1351 do explain more

@heatheromeara5115

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. That last sentence is a brilliant 'mic drop' but you need to listen closely to the whole segment to really get it. The problem is the cognitive dissonance that gets in the way. Most reporters own minds would automatically tune out the message rather than feel the discomfort such a devastating truth* should cause. * You were trained for obedience, conformity and subservience from early childhood and those are exactly the qualities you were hired for. Please note - this is true of most wage-slaves today, not just reporters. Anyone who speaks truth to power can expect to have a hard time. (EG look up Daniel Eisenberg, Gary Webb, Julian Assange, Chelsea Manning, Reality Winner)

@anonymousweeble2224

3 ай бұрын

CUT TO: The reporter tossing and turning in bed while the echo of Chomsky voice repeats over and over "...if you believed something different..."

“The system selects for obedience and subordination.”

Chomsky threw the poor guy into an existential crisis

The interviewer is pissed but knows he has to reevaluate his whole existence. Chomsky dropping bombs of knowledge

@allwalledup

Жыл бұрын

@Scott's Precious Little Account yeah, he’s based

@MilesBellas

Жыл бұрын

it's Andrew Marr : quite well known

@Kimmy_95

Жыл бұрын

The interviewer definitely comes off as very defensive here. Meanwhile, Noam C is very relaxed, as he usually is. Not once raising his voice.

glad that I am alive during the time when Dr. Chomsky is still alive.

@shadowwarrior7218

6 жыл бұрын

Amen

@xepic665

3 жыл бұрын

I'm starting to get scared he really is aging a lot recently although he seems to be just as active as he always was imo! Can somebody just invent immortality already so we don't have to lose such a great contributor to society

@neilb3332

3 жыл бұрын

why? you can still read Plato

@jefb2361

3 жыл бұрын

He's a US national treasure. 😀 I've said on KZread comments before that maybe Chris Hedges and Glenn Greenwald might be able to occupy certain spaces of the vacuum left, when Chomsky eventually departs from us.

@ernestopires7219

3 жыл бұрын

I have the same opinion. This Man knows so much about identifying the historical, philosophical, moral, etical and political causes of the actual state of the World, particulary of the USA. He's whitout doubt one of the best philosophes of our time.

I don’t know why I used to criticize Chomsky. The modern world has made it all so obvious. I can’t believe how much my opinions have changed.

@geoffphillips5872

Жыл бұрын

Thought reveals enlightenment.

@eidorianeagle5806

7 ай бұрын

I mean there is valid criticism of him especially when the subject is socialism but when he critiques socio economic systems then yes, he does a great job.

@Valentin-oc5nh

6 ай бұрын

why? what is the valid criticism on the subject of socialism with regards to chomsky? @@eidorianeagle5806

@deanmckenna7641

6 ай бұрын

​@eidorianeagle5806 what are the critiques with regards to socialism?

@user-dc9oq2pr6v

5 ай бұрын

those who criticize this man are either not mature, ignorant, or are part of the problem

I remember watching the seminal docu film "Manufacturing Consent" in 1993ish. I was blown away, I devoured a couple Chomsky books soon after.

@futureskeletons66669

Жыл бұрын

Sort of similar story. I got into Chomsky's work through Bill Hicks.

@drewhunkins7192

Жыл бұрын

@@futureskeletons66669 Of course there's nothing in the mainstream media that would ever prompt one to even begin to know about him. It's all by outside channels that one starts to hear about him.

@DipayanPyne94

Жыл бұрын

Chomsky is Brilliant. I am from Mumbai, India. As a victim of private healthcare fraud, in a country like India, where people think extremely hierarchically, exploit cheap labour, don't care about truth etc etc, I see it all over the place. Recently, Gautam Adani, India's Richest Man (World Top 10) bought stakes in NDTV, a Left Wing News Outlet that would speak the Truth. Very progressive channel. Not anymore, I guess ...

@jenemyk8831

5 ай бұрын

How did they taste?

@drewhunkins7192

5 ай бұрын

@@jenemyk8831 A little spicy.

I'm laughing my ass off. That journalist is being schooled the hard way. But I must give credit where credit is due, the journalist is genuinely trying to understand by challenging Chomsky. He is not affraid to confront the master and the master teaches him. I like it. I like it a lot.

@StrayedIdea

Жыл бұрын

The journalist is acting very professional.

@MilesBellas

Жыл бұрын

Andrew Marr

@urbaneblobfish9624

Жыл бұрын

He’s not being schooled, he’s being a journalist.

@prod.hxrford3896

5 ай бұрын

That's how I interpreted it as well

"...a necessary technique to overcome the danger of democracy..."

@heatheromeara5115

3 жыл бұрын

And yet a "free press" is considered a crucial, foundational pillar of "democracy." The BIG LIE, which the media is responsible for propagating, is that the U.S., the U.K., Canada, etc. are actually democracies wherein elected leaders represent all the people (rather than just the rich) and have the consent of all of the governed. Gilens & Page proved this was bullsh!t in 2014.

@DerekSpeareDSD

3 жыл бұрын

@@heatheromeara5115 haha..free press my ass. They are owned by the corporate masters.

@heatheromeara5115

3 жыл бұрын

@@DerekSpeareDSD exactly. Both the "free press" and "democracy" are illusions - fictions - lies.

@raoufchatti

Ай бұрын

Social media and undergrounds are the alternatives

Actually it is well known that journalists not only self-censure themselves, but also get censured plainly by their boss, the editor above them. If you don't like the word "censorship", call it "selection". When a journalist decides to cover, especially if extensively through investigation & so on, he needs approval, funds etc. Well if you want to investigate how a big corporation crushes unions, someone will tell gently first that it's a touchy subject, that will likely be a very long project with very few info filtering etc... but if you want to force your way somehow, then you'll see the stick. You might make a piece and it cannot be published because someone above you doesn't like it. There are plenty of interrelations between the journalistic field and both the political & economic field. They all know each other, they belong to the same social class, go to the same events, share the same values etc. This is what sociology reveals. So they talk to each other too, and they care for each other even more.

@RobertFairweatherMusic

Жыл бұрын

You're conflating 'censorship' with 'editing'. Goof.

@PappyMandarine

Жыл бұрын

@@RobertFairweatherMusic Nope. I was speaking of censorship. As in I write a piece that somebody is bound not to like, and the piece hence does not get published. I wrote my comment 3 years ago, and the situation has only gotten worse since then. The main reason of this worsening is the fact that big capital is buying more and more newspapers, magazines and even television channels. When the owner of the newspaper you work for goes by the name of Bernard Arnault, aka Mr. First Fortune in Europe for multiple years, do you dare write about the scandals related to his Group? If you happen to have this very bad idea, does your boss let you? Can you go to work the next day as usual, as if nothing happened? We call that censorship and/or self-censorship, which yields the same results.

@WalterBurton

6 ай бұрын

​@@PappyMandarine: Yeah, but you spelled it "censURE," dumbass.

@Valentin-oc5nh

6 ай бұрын

editing without censorship would be just checking for accuracy, relevance etc. - not wether it would benefit anyone @@RobertFairweatherMusic

@joaosampaio4039

6 ай бұрын

I couldnt put it better. Great comment.

That last exchange: mic drop. Boom!

It's so irritating too me how British journalists feel they can interrupt somebody in the middle of an answer to a question that they asked; and run their mouth over their interviewee. I used to do that too, when I was 7...

@trollobite1629

10 ай бұрын

*"...British Journalists..."* The guy is doing his job in a very professional manner, of course, if you're an American, then perhaps you're not used to journalists being interrogative.

If you try to think with your own head and start asking questions, you will be branded 'a bad apple' in most companies...

Glad that I’m alive in a time where captions are available because this man is so soft spoken and mutters so much.

The sentence diagram in the background is epic.

@Jay_Flippen

7 жыл бұрын

I'm not actually sure if that's a sentence diagram or not. Regardless, Chomsky's political criticisms are so detailed... probably made much easier with his greater knowledge of language structures that he has when compared to probably all- or nearly all- peoples.

@Jay_Flippen

7 жыл бұрын

Actually I think it is a sentence diagram tree.

This is such an interesting interaction. Chomsky dismantles the media propaganda pipeline with such calmness, while interviewer is gasping for breath, questioning his existence.

That last line was deep.

The interviewer needed to let him speak!

What did I just listen to, this is probably the most articulate castigation of journalism.

that jounalist sat in a room by himself for 6 hours after this interview😂😂

Sneaky sharp little bit at the end haha

@mariomaria5937

8 жыл бұрын

BURNNN!!!!

@kalistalev

6 жыл бұрын

Yes. He was rattled by this and tried to win the argument by making increasingly fatuous points which only served to reinforce Chomsky's position further.

@yseson_

6 жыл бұрын

damn

@yseson_

6 жыл бұрын

kalistalev it's interesting that this was or rather started out as an interview but when Chomsky began to calmly poke holes into the facade of his reality you could see the cognitive dissonance play on the journalist face and body language then it becomes an argument, however one the interviewer could not win because he was not prepared to think of himself or his profession as anything less than noble.

@missyv8900

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah..he's a good guy and all..he just doesn't Question what he's been taught nor why...and he doesn't grasp Chomsky's propoganda model fully yet..but I bet he does by now...given his curiosity. Bahaha that remark about the actual circulated slogan: The NY times- The establishment's left.

Fascinating dialogue always by mr chumsky blessings my fine sir

@cleigh3796

2 жыл бұрын

Chumsky 😭😭😭

@white5mage

Жыл бұрын

😂

Norm tried hard not to destroy this guy. 😎

anyone know what journalists he talked about around 5:50 ?

Manufacturing the culture in which people grow up in is probably the most subtle and all pervasive method of propaganda. Aldous Huxley described this in Brave New World, written in the early 1930,s.

@standowner6979

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately people read 1984 more

@Hedgehog3342

Жыл бұрын

yet both brave new world and 1984 are both happening. probably more brave new world than 1984.

I enjoy watching and listening to Noam. He actually helps me to stay sane. The government must be terrified by his knowledge.

@GM-yb5yg

2 жыл бұрын

They aren't. They know they are in control and that most people are clueless or disorganized.

@deek177

2 жыл бұрын

@@GM-yb5yg Took the words out of my mouth. Well said.

@kevinwillems8720

2 жыл бұрын

Not at all.

@jesusRamirez-xv7xp

Жыл бұрын

@@GM-yb5yg they know one man can’t do much and that they have total control

@remotefaith

Жыл бұрын

If powerful people were terrified of him he would be dead

does anyone know the name of the media channel that hosted this interview? I need it for documentation

@RustyCohle

Жыл бұрын

Most likely the BBC, Andrew Marr worked for them for the longest time.

Simply brilliant.

larry david is gonna play him in the upcoming movie....so excited

Obedience and subordination

Shoutout to chomsky

Handing it to Marr, absolutely fabulous. Marr remains a scribe for power at the BBC.

"a very self serving view"- devastating

@torkilvold3855

10 ай бұрын

I LOL'ed at that. What a burn.

@APerez89

8 ай бұрын

Yeah I caught that too I had to look up the word even I already knew it's similar to "convenient". He's good. He's the Mayweather of a Communication.

"I would call the press relatively liberal." Wow, he really does see all doesn't he. By far my favorite American public intellectual.

@TheEvilWalrusLord

Жыл бұрын

Possibly the greatest mind alive

@TheHumpjbear

Жыл бұрын

Too be fair, this has drastically changed in the last 10 years. Murdoch has created right wing media monopolies in Australia and the UK.

@MotownShaker

Жыл бұрын

@@TheHumpjbear If you think the media in the UK are "right wing" you're deluded beyond help. Good lord 🤣💀

@saskk2290

Жыл бұрын

​@MotownShaker how do you see it?

@MotownShaker

Жыл бұрын

​@@saskk2290 woke

I love Professor Chomsky.

When is this from? 1980s?

I wish there were a proper citation for this clip, it is clearly much older than 2014.

just think about what happened to julian assange for doing true journalism !

4:25 Unpopular ideas can be silenced, and inconvenient facts kept dark, without the need for any official ban. Anyone who has lived long in a foreign country will know of instances of sensational items of news-things which on their own merits would get the big headlines-being kept right out of the British press, not because the Government intervened but because of a general tacit agreement that ‘it wouldn’t do’ to mention that particular fact. So far as the daily newspapers go, this is easy to understand. The British press is extremely centralised, and most of it is owned by wealthy men who have every motive to be dishonest on certain important topics. But the same kind of veiled censorship also operates in books and periodicals, as well as in plays, films and radio. At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed that all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is not exactly forbidden to say this, that or the other, but it is ‘not done’ to say it, just as in mid-Victorian times it was ‘not done’ to mention trousers in the presence of a lady. Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with surprising effectiveness. A genuinely unfashionable opinion is almost never given a fair hearing, either in the popular press or in the highbrow periodicals. www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other-works/the-freedom-of-the-press/

Scandinavian countries are a good example of this model. And education focus on Obedience, very well hide propaganda by the private companies that support their governments meanwhile citizens have a great salary to spend a lot of money on "wellbeing "

How do we know who is committed and who is propagandist? Media consumption among large sections of people is not really healthy. The corporate media does not need to work too hard to dish out misinformation. We have an disinterested audience. A Greek philosopher once said, people get the government they deserve, that statement has big implication. Now the same can be said about media too, people get the media they deserve.

You are the man. Big time.

My confusion listening to chomsky talk about this (haven’t seen alot of his work yet) is that this controlling of views seems more like a necessary pragmatic approach to communication. Meaning people wont make arguments using presuppositions other because there will only be conflict because if the presuppositions (The reading between the lines) isnt clear every argument will fly ontop of everyones head. If everyone got to make arguments using their own presuppositions without forming them to fit something recognisable and gripable for the culture at large no one will understand what they’re saying. Although i may be getting this completely wrong. To me it seems very messy complex issues that are difficult to explain using such broad language without examples.

@ClintLock1

6 ай бұрын

Good comment. Controlling people’s views is absolutely necessary for mass modern society to function. Chompsky is right but he is only able to give away the game because he is not a player. To see through it, you must be content to wheedle at the margins with the satisfaction of being honest. The real players understand the game too but they are in the arena and will keep on playing it no matter how insincere.

5:00

2:05

lol banger ending line

The only problem with this is it's impossible to refute. If I don't agree with it, I'm an example of it, I've internalised the prejudices. You get a similar response when you criticise standpoint epistemology.

@veronicaproctor184

5 ай бұрын

Not true at all; if the media reflects the facts and reflects them evenly across different situations (e.g. countries that are our allies versus ones that aren't, if we're using the example of reporting on geopolitical events, wars, etc), by 'evenly' here I mean without hypocrisy, then the media can be said to be in some senses a fair reflection of reality. And we can use news sources and compare them to each other, as well as other sources, as Chomsky and Herman do in Manufacturing Consent, to determine whether or not this is true. There are also other things that can be looked at, for example who funds the media, what events even become news stories at all, etc, that can be used to draw conclusions and establish patterns. Chomsky doesn't just say things are this way; he has investigated it and people are free to do so for themselves too. It just takes a lot of work and dedication, which is part of the reason that propaganda is so effective in the first place - getting to the truth of it yourself takes a lot of extra steps.

Delicious

straight up insults the guy

I like you ,you say the truth

😂😂😂😂. Say it how it is noam .🌎💚🌍

Old Noam was so great. Now, he's not so much.

Genius!

A great example of how Chomsky is so far beyond the intellectual ability of the interviewer. He is literally taking this guy to the proverbial cleaners and the guy simply doesn't get it.

I don't make a habit of quoting the Bible, but the John 8:7 comes to mind.

Andrew Marr looking like a little boy.

@jefb2361

3 жыл бұрын

And sounding like one in comparison to his " head master " Chomsky 🤣

How he laughs at 5:45

Jesus how young is Andrew Marr here

@tonypredergast5782

2 жыл бұрын

Thinking the right things for decades now.

if this was a film it’d be a toddler trying to pull on mum’s hair while she is cleaning him while on the phone with the kindergarten and with the other hand patiently and lovingly stopping the little shit from succeeding

Wow that was an honest conversation. Both sides !

Journalist had the need to feel attacked

'I know some of the best journalists and they agree with me, but d,on't ask me what their names are'. How is anyone supposed to take that seriously?

It starts out as if the guy read Manufacturing Consent and is just setting up Chomsky to explain. But he's actually just the embodiment of everything Chomsky and Herman discuss, right down to the delusional self-serving conception of himself. Chomsky all but laughs at the guy as he starts reciting the programming.

A replier below calls Noam Chomsky "the Master". That says it all. Virtually every other reply after this video displays obscene and loyal sycophancy toward the *Master*. Chomsky is the most conspiratorial and Manichean theorist I know. (Basically, "Manichean" = Literally everything about Western capitalism is Evil. All else is Good.) Sure, he knows his detail and his history. And he adds lots of meandering footnotes to everything he says. That impresses non-academics especially. (He blinds his critics and questioners with verbiage and often irrelevant data.) However, all that stuff is fed through Chomsky's Manichean and conspiratorial lens. He's essentially preaching to his own political tribe. Hence, the embarrassing and copious words of praise from his many loyal disciples both here and elsewhere. Most - not all! - of Chomsky's groupies are white males under the age of 25. Often, they're also middle-class students who're impressed by his very-long answers and statements, which they take to be important detail and "theory". (Oddly, Chomsky has spoken out against what he's called "theory".) That detail is really Chomsky's predictable ideological gloss on the facts and the data. It's also important how important the Marxist notion of "false consciousness" is to Chomsky's entire work, and to almost everything he says. (That is especially the case in this video.) This doesn't mean that he uses the precise term "false consciousness". Then again, neither did Marx. Instead, he uses synonyms or euphemism's such as "manufacturing consent", the "propaganda system", etc. (Yes, I'm aware that Chomsky has offered some very mild criticisms of Marx, Lenin, etc.)

Noam would have everyone believe Jesus was crucified for oil. Speaking of propaganda..

@Spock_Rogers

9 ай бұрын

Your loss.

Naom chomsky is a genius.he just calmly lays out the truth about us empire in a brillant way

I think this is called running rings around your interviewer. Marr just doesn’t get it. We do.

🌈

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How come they have not bumped him off.

We really have been normalized

Source: kzread.info/dash/bejne/eZ55sNCygdjWn9o.html

I would prosecute everyone associated with the Vietnam war

@Tennessee_Trucker

Жыл бұрын

even the north vietnamese side or are you hypocrite?

@torkilvold3855

2 ай бұрын

That's assuming the law and the courts are there to prosecute the elites. They're not. It's their law, their courts. Not ours.

Noteworthy statement: the media is actually very right wing in the UK, laws exist against media bias on televised broadcasts but the newspapers are quite right wing, which explains Mars' statement in comparison to Chomsky's liberal one (based on american media)

Chomsky is always good stuff

Who put this material in your KZread feed? Please, don’t tell me it was whatever ‘algorithm’ 🙄😃 Is this anti- propaganda propaganda?

a good, a recent, example Manufacturing consent ...... the Vaccine ,....... instead of questioning the Pharma Industry's narrative .... Noam Chomsky argued that those who remain unvaccinated should be segregated, saying that obtaining food after they had "the decency to remove themselves from the community" was "their problem."

Sorry, but he makes horribly false conclusions from shaky premises. Nothing more than mealy mouthed conspiracy garbage.🤷‍♂️

@afgor1088

Жыл бұрын

where's the conspiracy? the whole point of manufacturing consent or hegemony as gramsci called it is precisely that it's NOT a conspiracy, it's a natural result of the system

it's sad to see this man become senile and succumb to propaganda of big pharma in this last two years... :/

@JK12518

Жыл бұрын

Just get vaccinated already idiot.

@dewok2706

Жыл бұрын

THIS! SO MUCH THIS!

@payasoinfeliz

Жыл бұрын

you are an ant compared to him, even if he were 120yrs old, he would have a better grasp on things.

@davidnunes9528

Жыл бұрын

@@payasoinfeliz Maybe you're an ant compared to me. Because you don't know me. But I know you enough to know how much you can judge someone that you don't even know. You're incapable.

"The press is relatively right wing," to which Chomsky disagrees. Here he agrees with the right that the press is mostly liberal. That is the first time I have heard Chomsky make a claim that agrees with the data. He often is at odds with historical analysis, but again he is not a cookie-cutter socialist or atheist or environmentalist. He is a libertarian socialist which works out historically to be a Shangi-La filled win married bachelors and square circles. An expert in linguistics, but treated by the press as an expert in everything. Chomsky was treated in the 1960s through the 1990s much the same way the press and Internet treats Jordon Peterson, although they would have significantly different views. My point is that we should defrock these priests of making stuff up and look toward the real experts in the various fields of knowledge and shed our reliance on popular cranks. By which I mean so-called "Intellectuals."

@cassandrajoiner9933

3 жыл бұрын

You sound like a propagandist, vague statements appealing to emotion. Where is your refutation of Chimsky's ideas?

@tonypredergast5782

2 жыл бұрын

Sure. Sounds great. When do we start?

@geoffphillips5872

Жыл бұрын

Comment of the jealous.

@sixmillionsilencedaccounts3517

Жыл бұрын

Chomsky isn't real expert? Lol. He's more than that. He's outside of the system.

2:42 in Chomsky gives us vintage Chomsky inference where he claims that the big corporations in America told Washington to call the war in Vietnam off. This is a couple square inches of Reynolds wrap away from wearing a tin-foil hat! Yet interviewers let him get away with such unverified claims. One almost expects Chomsky to off-handedly reference Catcher in The Rye as his favorite book, and further that he can't tell you why. The movie Conspiracy Theory painted Mel Gibson's character as more cogent. But the press has treated him like a god perhaps because he is seen to do much more damage to free market economics and be a friend to socialism than the damage he does to the leftist mass media outlets. Calling a socialist a capitalist after all makes capitalism look evil. So the NYT allows the inference as its message intersects with their own polemic.

@alexb8560

4 жыл бұрын

On what planet and in what century has the press treated Chomsky like a god?

Is that Andrew Marr?!

Everybody wants to be special and this demagogue is no exception