“If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all.” ― Noam Chomsky

@blanknone5408

3 жыл бұрын

Wow! I wonder when he said that first, maybe 20 years ago? This 4:44 video seems to contradict that quote and the next video he uploaded on cancel culture as well . Listen carefully.

@smotnick

3 жыл бұрын

I would say Chomsky and Camile Paglia see eye-to-eye on freedom of expression.

@blanknone5408

3 жыл бұрын

V - sorry, but he seems to be contradicting himself.

@jdavis7993

3 жыл бұрын

@@blanknone5408 Or you are not clever enough to see the distinction. There is a difference between freedom of speech, and freedom to platform. Chomsky is in favor of the former, but not the latter. Jack Dorsey can ban Alex Jones, but the US Government cant take his freedom to say whatever he likes as long as it doesn't cause immanent danger or harm, even if ultimately it does cause harm in the long term.

@KemoSays

3 жыл бұрын

@@jdavis7993 yeah and cancel culture is not removing freedom of speech but access to platform.

“It is the responsibility of intellectuals to speak the truth and expose lies.” ― Noam Chomsky

@johnkesich8696

3 жыл бұрын

So then, why doesn't Chomsky expose the must vote lesser evil lie? He clearly has the intellect to know that in safe states - whether red or blue - it is total BS. What's more, in 2012 he said he was so disgusted with Obama he was going to vote for Stein, pointing out that in Massachusetts it wouldn't matter. Then in 2016 he hypocritically reverted to his of-course-one-must-vote-for-the-lesser-evil mantra. In contrast, I was so disgusted by Gore's insipid campaign - which in hindsight I saw was intended to lose - that with trepidation I voted for Nader - in New York! I've voted Green ever since even though I have since moved to Pennsylvania and then Florida. Wouldn't an honest intellectual point people to electoral-vote.com/evp2020/Pres/tipping_point.html and provide sound advice on when one should worry about the lesser evil? What is Chomsky's agenda? And why is he subtly propping up the status quo?

@onecardshort2934

3 жыл бұрын

This is why it is particularly stomach curdling when DN! uncritically platforms Biden & chomsky advocates voting for him without even addressing the whole rapist racist war criminal thing.

@SelectHawk

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnkesich8696 I think it is more worthwhile putting effort into primaries and such... voting third party in Florida is just a vote to increase harm. Once the establishment candidate is locked in for the primary, switch to supporting them but putting as much pressure on them from the left as possible. Anything else is just unrealistic, much as I hate saying it. Fortunately, I live in Blue states, so I can just vote green.

@strings41

3 жыл бұрын

​@@johnkesich8696 So it's really a simple question: Do you like the last 3 1/2 years of Trump? Do you want 4 more? Where it matters, you must opt for the best choice of those offered. Otherwise, you're ignoring reality.

@smotnick

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnkesich8696 he's being pragmatic, dare I say realistic, I suppose. I voted for Nader in 2008 because he UNDERSTOOD the economy better than McShame or Oblunder. I was about to vote for Dr. Stein in 2016 when at the last second, I panicked, and voted for Celery. This political structure of this country suffocates any third party chances before they can really get anywhere, which is hardly democratic. Yet look at Mexico, which many consider a fledging democracy, inconsistent democracy, corrupt democracy or even a failed state, has NEVERTHELESS succeeded in getting a nascent third party to the presidency, something which I can't even pciture happening in the USA. There are many contradictions.

Great video. Chomsky speaks with such clarity and depth at such an old age, a true intellectual.

@mariguana7918

3 жыл бұрын

But could he pass Trump’s cognitive test?

@marcrow9114

3 жыл бұрын

@@mariguana7918 you joking right? 🤣

@naveed210

3 жыл бұрын

When one side of the political spectrum or an individual from either side claims there’s a restriction on freedom of speech (FOS), the litmus test is identifying what it is they feel they’re being stopped from saying. My take is there’s 2 FOS. 1 is where institutions like Gov’ment or media do not want certain views out in the open because it challenges their establishments. The second FOS is a perversion of its original use, hijacked by people who desire to put out what often would be unpopular or unsavoury views. Often for some it’s code word for propaganda but said in a way which can gather momentum amongst society for devious reasons.

@KingMinosxxvi

3 жыл бұрын

@@naveed210 There is no litmus test. That's the point. There are lots of views that are unsavoury. What If there is was a scientific notion or hypothesis that makes people who deeply hold a certain humane or PC viewpoint uncomfortable. Should we therefore stop the scientific inquiry or divorce ourself from what that science uncovers? Should for instance ignore the fact that there are genetic differences between men and women since it offends people who believe they can change their sex? This is also freedom of speech. The freedom to say something unpopular without worrying about being fired or ostracised.

@naveed210

3 жыл бұрын

KingMinosxxvi that’s what I mean though, you have to identify on a case by case basis why something maybe unpopular? I gave the 2 options in my earlier comment. Is the POV of an individual unpopular because it challenges the establishment and exposes abuse of power that would otherwise wish to be continued by the elites to further their control? Or is the POV of the individual unpopular because it’s a social taboo, like racism or demeaning to women, said to further their grip on power by gaining support in dehumanising a section of the society? The first individual should not be cancelled, the second most definitely should be cancelled because if unregulated he/she will cause damage to society, like Donald J Trump.

What I find amazing is that his position is considered crazy left in the mainstream media. Who is the crazy one here?!

@michelleperuski6667

3 жыл бұрын

He's an anarcho-socialist...that's about as far left as you can get.

@KingMinosxxvi

3 жыл бұрын

Really the radical left seem to have no time for this crucial position.

@peonnyuimcavenport4703

3 жыл бұрын

@@KingMinosxxvi sounds like you spend more time on the internet than in books about radical leftism. the over-reactive people you see on the internet are just a loud minority of people who have the time to complain on the internet all day. if you want to know what radical leftism is i suggest reading Anarchism and Other Essays by Emma Goldman, Mutual Aid by Peter Kropotkin, or just listening to Noam Chomsky talk in general. don't let your perspective be skewed by people on the internet, do the research yourself and see how you feel about it.

@KingMinosxxvi

3 жыл бұрын

@@peonnyuimcavenport4703 That's probably fair. I'm not about to make an argument about how terms gain meaning. Though, the minority you are talking about is not that small. If it wasn't't a problem Noam wouldn't have found it necessary to sign this article. In fact this facit of speech/thoguht tyranny in the left is what led me to drop out of teacher college and that was 6 years ago. Noam can say what he wants since he is a sacred cow, Kropotkin can say what he likes since he's dead...but If I were to say that BLM is a misguided, superficially substantiated and regressive movement or write paper on why that is case I would likely loose my position.(if I had one)

@he1ar1

3 жыл бұрын

@@KingMinosxxvi as noam says he believes that cancel culture is of the establishment and supporting cc just because you share an opponent is misguided. tons of academics have written about blm, and i am not aware someone been cancelled. Civil right leaders who have critised blm have not been cancelled. blm is a coalition of smaller groups and different groups have different methods, and generally the tactics that have succeeded in getting media attention are one which are copied.

Chomsky is if humanitarian common sense was a person

@citycrusher9308

3 жыл бұрын

Common sense hasn't worked for years now. Trying to appeal with common sense to people with and agenda is a waste of time.

@jontraz5993

3 жыл бұрын

@@citycrusher9308 idk who you're fighting here, I agree. But I'm saying what Chomsky is saying is and SHOULD BE common sense. But common sense ain't common

@citycrusher9308

3 жыл бұрын

@@jontraz5993 lol -common sense doesn't work not because people lack it. For example - The KKK doesn't lack common sense. They would cancel people because they hate the people they cancel.

@jontraz5993

3 жыл бұрын

@@citycrusher9308 i.... Kinda hear you. But I'd argue they don't have Common Sense since common sense dictates that no race is inferior since there is but one race - the human race

@jontraz5993

3 жыл бұрын

@Analyzing Male Slavery don't start throwing out buzzwords you know nothing of. Or if you do know - enlighten me, oh analyzer.

This is about where I stand. I just wish they would talk about how individuals within society have no power to speak against those who actually control whether they get to eat. How people have to be silent about the abuses of their workplace. How people are platformed only if those with influence like what they say. I think that's a part of the free speech debate that isn't brought up enough.

Glad the channel is back

It’s so sad that when this great man passes on (hopefully in another 50 years) we’ll lose the greatest mind of our generations.

@nickkemp4979

Жыл бұрын

Don't worry. He's figured out the secret.

@johnmolina3284

Жыл бұрын

One of , at least.

@StarvingAutist

Жыл бұрын

I'm sad I'll never get to sit down and have a conversation with him. I'm so envious of the people that did/ will.

I completely agree with him on these principles. 👍

Right on, Chomsky.

I had a dream once where those that have criticized NC in print, after reading someone's opinion about a sound byte from him taken out of context, had to debate him in person. It was hilarious

@JoshuaSobel

Жыл бұрын

Kinda happened with Sam Harris over E-Mail

One of this Dream’s greatest creation. Thankfully, the child-Consciousness never ages; what is birth less is deathless. A true guru , indeed. My friend and intellectual mentor . Nirguna

In a free society, the right way to defeat bad ideas is to present people with good ones.

He looks and sounds like a prophet

@RocRizzo

3 жыл бұрын

he IS a prophet!

@writersblock26

3 жыл бұрын

A secular prophet-but yes, a prophet no less.

@DustinHawke

2 жыл бұрын

Didn't know there was a look and sound to prophets.

@theamericanphilosopher8592

2 жыл бұрын

Those who seek a prophet are sure to find one ^^^^

@hamzachokri2442

Жыл бұрын

Are you OK Naom he is a philosopher not a prophet. The last one is mohmad No one can come after him. Cordialy

Well said on all counts!

If canceled culture was correct everyone every would be canceled People need room for error

Allowing right wingers to have their say gives comedians great material to work from.

This was a great interview from TYT. Full is available from them.

I’m not sure he has considered how this dynamic plays out on social media. In a way, everyone is invited by default, but anyone can individually disinvite you by blocking you. There aren’t separate meetings; it’s like one big perpetual meeting. The distinction between “breaking up the meeting” and not inviting them in the first place breaks down.

The North Star of humanity!!

I completely agree with his point. Free speech is for everyone and of their are fears of platforming then Chomsky tells you the proper way to combat it not preventing talks.

The harpers letter was purposefully vague. it was written in a way that almost nobody could disagree with it. I am convinced that most people who criticized it didn't even read it.

@OMGITSFULLOFPONIES

3 жыл бұрын

That's exactly the problem with the letter. Who could argue with nothing specific at all? Apart from what the letter didn't say, I found it baffling, that a certain TERF author and someone like Chomsky, who extended freedom of speech to Holocaust denialism in the past, sign a letter complaining about some supposed “intolerant climate”.

@FUNKY_BUTTLOVIN

3 жыл бұрын

I don't get why a lot of lefties in these newly formed spaces are so quick to want to criticize a guy who was doing it for decades in a world where it didn't have any spaces, where almost nobody could follow the train of thought let alone align with him in any meaningful way.

@shahsadsaadu5817

3 жыл бұрын

@@FUNKY_BUTTLOVIN micheal parenti has done everything chomsky ever did,but better,more precise and in more dangerous times.the fact that Chomsky gets the attention and he does not is the real problem herr

@JacktheRah

3 жыл бұрын

The problem is that the letter stands in extreme contrast to what Chomsky said in his most famous work "manufacturing consent". Better explained in Non Compete's video about that topic.

@naveed210

3 жыл бұрын

When one side of the political spectrum or an individual from either side claims there’s a restriction on freedom of speech (FOS), the litmus test is identifying what it is they feel they’re being stopped from saying. My take is there’s 2 FOS. 1 is where institutions like Gov’ment or media do not want certain views out in the open because it challenges their establishments. The second FOS is a perversion of its original use, hijacked by people who desire to put out what often would be unpopular or unsavoury views. Often for some it’s code word for propaganda but said in a way which can gather momentum amongst society for devious reasons.

The RW and older people in general love to go after college kids. Yes, they're still kids and young kids have a low tolerance of injustice; they haven't had the time to be conditioned to it yet. There are actual studies on this and the RW knows how to exploit them.Because of their natural intolerance of injustice, young people are very vocal and active about social justice and unfortunately it plays right into the hands of RW talking points. My point to adults complaining about college kids is: They're young, they're supposed to be stupid, what's your excuse

@ajaypande6391

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, but one way they become less stupid is by being told exactly why they are being stupid, and Chomsky did just that. He also gave them an alternative which is much better, though also harder. If young people are passionate about social justice, should they really be taking the easy way, or a harder but better one which will actually help them learn how to do it right?

@KingMinosxxvi

3 жыл бұрын

They aren't supposed be that stupid! And we are making them stupider.Not only that they are starting to run the institutions that are supposed to be teaching them how to think instead of catering to the way the feel.

@live2groove

3 жыл бұрын

@@ajaypande6391 Don't worry, they'll grow uo an be a bunch of whiney adults who complain about the youth just like you

@live2groove

3 жыл бұрын

@@KingMinosxxvi You're just bringing up an old cheap narrative.. You should try some actual thinking yourself sometime and stop falling for the same cheap talking points. 'OMG KIDS THESE DAYS THEY'RE RUING THE WORLD WAH WAH WAH!!!!"

@live2groove

3 жыл бұрын

@@ajaypande6391 But no older people are willing to do that. They just bitch to each other about young people.. I think ypou're all making a much bigger deal about this than it really is.

The most lucid, informed, intelligent person i have ever spoken to was 94 years old. Noam Chomsky has been all of that and more to me since the early1980s. I have learned more from this man than any 10 others i could name. Thank you Dr. Chomsky.

@ManishKumar-uf9tx

3 жыл бұрын

Well, that's the thing you see with mathematicians, philosophers, and other scientists. Turns out, being intellectually involved late into your career stops you from going bonkers.

@garybaker1359

3 жыл бұрын

@@ManishKumar-uf9tx far too many people give up at retirement and stop doing much of anything, which can only lead to decline. We all age physically but that's no excuse to let go of mental exercise. I have learned so much in the last few years.

@Chomsky's Philosophy - I've been working on a 'Understanding Noam Chomsky' series over the past two/three months. So far, I've interviewed 6 scholars who discuss their work of Noam Chomsky. Today, I also released an episode w/ Noam Chomsky on this series. I would love to contact you via email to see if it would be possible for you to share some of my videos of this series on your channel? Please let me know if I can contact you in any way. Thanks anyways!

Please add subtitles to Chomsky videos

NPR is one of the worst offenders.

Noam CHOMSKY eh o maior de todos ! ♥️🙏♥️🙏🕯️🕊️🙌

This is Enlightened Liberalism 101, it's sad that political discourse has gotten to the point we have to remake such basic points, and many times against people who consider themselves progressives

@Aman-qr6wi

2 жыл бұрын

He's no liberal. He's criticizing wrong ways of antifa but agrees with their cause. He has been very critical of enlightenment philosophers.

The issue is that that letter, if according to Chomsky does speak to small segments of the left, deals with an internal issue as if it were a major political crisis. It was published in wide readership newspapers across the world (Le Monde in my country!) which invited myriads of right wingers to loudly condemn the left and their totalitarian ideas and methods. Some of my relatives have been using the term "cancel culture" to discredit/vilify the left entirely. This isn't it.

...is the interviewer Jenk from The Young Turks?

@paifu.

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, the link of the full interview is in the description

Noam gets me.

Don't try to play Chomsky. He's too sharp to fall for Jacobin tactics.

You nailed it Noam. Let them say what they say and counter it. People who believe in outrageous things would believe in outrageous things. That is from the left and right mostly from the right.

Based

I’m no fan of Cenk or “The Young Turks,” but I’d sit through almost anything to hear more Chomsky.

I appreciate greatly that Mr. Chomsky does support a democratic way of discrediting opposing views; that's precisely what democracy is about. However it strikes me that regarding cancel culture and the fact that many right wingers are being violently shut down, he defines it merely as a bad tactic, instead of offering a moral reflection of what that means for a democracy that he so stands for. As far as ive seen, he has never offered one regarding that, though i might be wrong (?).

@stephentrueman4843

3 жыл бұрын

Noam was defending a frenchman's right to free speech (he wrote a book claiming the holocaust wasn't real or something) decades ago. Noam wants problems to be solved via dialogue; ideas to be challenged.

@pabloalfonsoechaurren6406

3 жыл бұрын

@@stephentrueman4843 i understand that, it's what i said, he offers democratic solutions. But no moral reflection on the attack to democracy exerted by radical left wingers.

@Richard_Straker

Жыл бұрын

@@pabloalfonsoechaurren6406 - He said it's wrong in principle and tactically.

@pabloalfonsoechaurren6406

Жыл бұрын

@@Richard_Straker yeah...not enough in my opinion.

@herbertsacrament2520

Жыл бұрын

He is the friendly commie next door.

Spot on 👏🏽 the left shouldn’t be trying to use MSM points (deplatform) to tackle these important issues. 4:13

Im always find difficult to understand his saying. Hope someone put on subtitle.

@MAUSINN

3 жыл бұрын

There's a closed caption button in the tools bar at the bottom of the video window.

The far left dosent use the same definition as Chomsky, if we did we would agree on both points I think.

@xw591

3 жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly. Chomsky didn't mention his definition of cancel culture, so there's some misunderstanding I'm having with interpreting this video.

@nikolademitri731

3 жыл бұрын

He talks about it in plenty of places, though. I’ve heard him mention it more thoroughly in other interviews. Look for his more recent ones since that letter, you’ll find answers to that question, or relief for confusion about what he means. Side note, I don’t understand what “extreme left” means, but Chomsky is a leftist, and still ID’s to this day as an anarchist. I don’t know if that counts or not, but I know some people believe if you have certain opinions or positions that aren’t leftist consensus, that means you must not be a leftist, or something along those lines (eg, you have a “classical liberal” view of free speech, so you must not be a leftist *OR* they advocate for voting a certain way (or at all), so they couldn’t possibly be X type of leftist, etc, which is all pretty problematic (crap) logic). Also, as far as, “the” definition of “cancel culture”, I wasn’t aware there was a consensus of that on the left, extreme or otherwise (again, I don’t know what that means). I mean, I’m a leftist, have multiple friends and acquaintances who also are, and there’s a lot of disagreement on how to qualify “cancel culture”, and how it relates to “being cancelled” (obviously these aren’t the same thing), with many people on the far left who think all of these things are basically non-existent. So idk what y’all mean by, “his definition isn’t *our* definition, or *their* (the extreme left?) definition”, but maybe I’m just misunderstanding these points, idk. ✌️❤️♾

@paifu.

3 жыл бұрын

@@nikolademitri731 I meant far left, which I am a part of. Like Chomsky I am an Anarchist. I just think if we explained to him what conservatives and the left describe it and if it is right or wrong, Chomsky would agree with the left, he know "agrees" with conservatives on that point but its only because of the difference of understanding of the definition of "Cancel Culture".

@enjogior5489

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I don't think he's actually engaging with the conversation properly. He's grasped a broad, extreme definition of it but doesn't see how cancel culture plays out literally, or how it aims to expose misinformation and bigotry BY denying bigots a platform to speak on and replacing their voice with a factual one. Most of the time cancel culture doesn't even attack political views, which is the only context he describes here. It is not merely a form of silencing and if Chomsky understood that I think he'd have a very different opinion of it.

@jorgepeterbarton

3 жыл бұрын

@@paifu. conservatives believe in cancel culture. Often censorship or law quite high against alternate belief. Their notion against cancel culture is tit for tat, not a principle. He may however agree with libertarians. Since, well libertarian-socialist (syn.w/ anarchist) vs libertarian-right (almost syn. W/ ancap)

Interviewer sounds like Cenk Uygur.

@nickkemp4979

Жыл бұрын

It is

So does this apply to boycotting as well?

@nickkemp4979

Жыл бұрын

No, boycotting is an expression of free speech, however, there are instances when boycotts hurt your goals. For example, people who advocating for cultural and economic boycotts of Israel instead of just activities in the Occupied Palestinian Territories. Israel's thugs immediately weaponize it by decrying "anti-semitism!" because of the hypocrisy. "Why are you boycotting us when [X country] does such much more?"

This whole debate really frustrating because it never seems like either "side" of it is actually talking to the other or addressing the other's points, Chomsky gives his case for why he signed the letter, the anti-letter people make the case for why the letter was a trojan horse (or whatever), and neither side actually directly deals with the other's arguments they just talk in a vacuum to journalists who are either too deferential to Chomsky or are trying to advance one of the two points of view. Like I've yet to see Chomsky actually be challenged on the larger context of the letter - that it was a (small) part of a decades-long attempt by the conservative establishment to gin up a moral panic against the left in ultimate support of greater exclusion and suppression of left voices, the closest I've seen is him being asked to account for other signatories which he deftly points out is impossible. Meanwhile the left response to Chomsky is way too often a kind of character assassination, "actually he's a liberal so this is unsurprising", look at this or that position, oh he wants people to vote for Biden as harm reduction, and not actually dealing with the core of his argument which is just tactical and can be dealt with in those terms. And which I mostly agree with, while thinking signing that letter was a mistake.

In Germany, during the period between the wars there was street fighting and shooting wars between the extremes of the left and the right. Trump has contributed to the destructive polarization brewing in this country. With economic uncertainty on the horizon I'm afraid we are approaching a perfect storm.. Rationality and reason comes dangerously close to compliance. I don't have the answer and I am fearful...

@naveed210

3 жыл бұрын

Would it then have made sense for the media to “cancel” Trump when he was campaigning for the Republican nomination for the 2016 election? America would be better off without him in politics, no?

@Larkinchance

3 жыл бұрын

@@naveed210 Of course I agree but too much media coverage on Trump's flamboyant personality.. and not the issues

@naveed210

3 жыл бұрын

Larkinchance that was the only way they (media/GOP) could have gained voter support for Trump to become president. If a hammer was taken to whatever policies he endorsed with reasoned arguments & if Trump persisted in wanting to make the campaign a popularity contest, his airtime should have been terminated. That way he would have “cancelled” himself by refusal to engage in a proper political debate. I don’t understand this argument of “I defend his/her right to say what they want”, that both left/right go on and on about. It should be taken on a case by case basis, if either side of politics has views that are harmful to the public no matter how nice and appealing they package their press release etc, they should be cancelled. That wouldn’t make America no different from say Iran, it would make them a civilised society.

@Larkinchance

3 жыл бұрын

@@naveed210 Both parties have anemic or hidden platforms and the public tugs back and forth on issues the Government can do nothing about..This is a device used to separates us. Trump is a puppet show to occupy the media. Trump says that if he loses the election is rigged.. If he wins the Democrats will say the election is rigged...Perhaps you might have an answer..like Chomsky, I do believe that he is dangerous

is that Cenk Ugyr? jw

So, I’m a big fan of Professor Chomsky. Wish I was smart enough to get into MIT back in the day to learn from him. But hearing his interviews on KZread is very interesting and quite educational - so glad they are made public. However, much of what I hear from him is distressing. It’s weighted to the dark side of U.S. politics, our political system and our leaders. Even the “good ones” like Kennedy and Obama have what seem to be fatal flaws - decisions that they made that cost lives and did nothing to balance power throughout the world. Now we are faced with the maybe the worst, most dangerous President of the United States ever to hold the office. And we have in excess of 30 million Americans who back him. What does that say about our democracy, about the people who make up a large portion of our society? Where is the leader that we need so badly to enact the policies, the common sense initiatives (addressing climate change, rebuilding America’s infrastructure) that are simply no-brainers in the wisdom to move forward. What the hell is wrong with us. We’ve come too far, paid too high a price (rightfully and wrongfully) to simply let it all go to dust at this point. Someone is out there to grab this country by the balls and shake some sense into it. To continue the way we are is ludicrous and dangerous beyond imagination. We need a national initiative to FIND the leader that we sorely need - uncover him or her and then convince that person that sacrificing their safety and wellbeing (possibly their life) is more than worth it - that our country and the world cannot sustain its existence on its current path. That person, maybe even persons, is out there. Step up and make your voice heard.

@ashtonandkylievideos2929

Жыл бұрын

Savior complex much?

@richp4449

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, maybe so but I’m not looking for a savior as much as leaders with human, moral, common sense. The idiots we have leading us now, all the way to the Supreme Court, are a disaster for all of humanity. Professor Chomsky has known this for a very long time.

@richp4449

Жыл бұрын

@Felix Knoche Maybe some nations are coming to their senses. That would be encouraging, if it is true. We, the good ole USofA, have a long way to go in that regard. We need a political and judicial mechanism that roots out the corrupt, lawless leaders that the misguided segment of our national voters put into office, without regard to actually preserving our democracy. Those leaders should be held accountable long before they run for office again. What I’m describing might sound like a police state but it is far from it. What I’m vaguely describing is a restructuring of our systems to establish some safe guards that we don’t currently have to watch out for the health or our democratic way of life. And that goes well into to our capitalistic society, as well. Particularly the portion that buys our leaders and policies.

What Mr. Chomsky is saying is completely correct. But at same time some people on the right are so far gone its pointless.

It's sad to hear such a brilliant mind denounce the establishment and the leftists orthodoxy, but in the same breath utter ideological buzzwords such as white supremacy and all the rest.

@SchutzBoysband

3 жыл бұрын

david duke isn't a white supremacist?

There is a lot I don't agree with NC on. But here he is easy to agree with on his take on free speech. Especially with this issue as it applies to college campuses where free speech should be sacred but simply isn't. But the biases bleed all over here as David Duke is roped into the discussion as if we should have the right to cancel him or anyone for that matter. NC to his credit didn't bite on that question.

@plaidchuck

Ай бұрын

No one is cancelled. Such a stupid strawman argument plucked out of thin air.

@mekingtiger9095

Ай бұрын

​​@@plaidchuck Whether someone is *successfully* cancelled or not is kind of a topic up to debate, but there has definitely been A LOT of hardcore attempts at that from the left in the past, mainly in the second half of the last decade. And for a more recent example, there is that McDonald's Ad "controversy" on Twitter. There is also the opposite in which the right has managed to copy amd adopt the same tactic at least once last year against Bud Light. And that time it actually worked to some considerable extent.

Omg Noam, the mainstream IS the left.

And notice how he didn't say not to "break up" Charles Murray speech in order to have debate and establish the truth of the matter, he just said because it's tactically erroneous and will give fodder to the right. Quite sad.

@cinematiccrisis

3 жыл бұрын

Also sad: your listening ability. He says (two times): It's not only tactically wrong, but principally.

@davidlenz9902

3 жыл бұрын

@@cinematiccrisis His priority is obvious.

@cinematiccrisis

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidlenz9902 Against his explicit statement ("it's principally wrong") you suggest that Chomsky would like to suppress differing views when it would be tactically useful. I think you are not interested in "establishing the truth of the matter". I mean, how can an argument work when we cannot even agree on something Chomsky has made completely clear.

If there was no Naom Chomsky how far worse this country's condition would be in? If it wasnt for this brilliant man with such high intergrity Howard Zinn another true voice as well i would still be listening to Alex Jones and purchasing his doomsday products. Thank you Naom you are an asset to this country which many will never appreciate.

@davidlenz9902

3 жыл бұрын

This is the strangest comment I've ever read. You don't understand how ideological this man is. At least listen to someone more level headed. Howard Zinn? What's next, the 1619 project that has been repudiated by hundreds of academics and pulitzer prize winners? Don't slide down the other side of the ideological hill just to think you've escaped the other side.

Correct as usual.

Speaking with your pocket book is really the only way to get your point across. There is a price to pay for an opinion. Shut your mouth if you want to make money. Capitalism 101

I finally found it! I found the one time that I disagree with Chomsky!

@nickkemp4979

Жыл бұрын

Not too sure what he said here was disagreeable but everyone's entitled to their opinion I guess.

Professor Chomsky is a living legend. His brain gets younger as he ages.

It's so strange.. I don't doubt Chomnsly's Brilliance or many of his political insights or theory's .. but man some times he's so wrong it's hard to imagine it's the same mind.. in this case I agree with every thing he said here 100 percent ..

@smotnick

3 жыл бұрын

He's definitely wrong on his ne0-Malthusian view of population, at least which he had back in the 90s when I met him. Mostly, he is right on target.

@RootinrPootine

3 жыл бұрын

What’s wrong about?

@Richard_Straker

Жыл бұрын

@@RootinrPootine - OP's probably a truther who thinks everything is a "false flag". They are among Chomsky's biggest critics on the internet.

He's right as always.

What about people that intentionally lie and spread misinformation?

@RootinrPootine

3 жыл бұрын

Watch it again. Listen this time.

@stephentrueman4843

3 жыл бұрын

you mean like any marketing/advertising campaign that you've ever seen?

For once in a LOOONNNNGGGGG time, I agree with Professor Chomsky.

i have to say i hate cenk but he was a wonderful interviewer in this clip.

"decrying cancel culture" lol that was barely part of it. 90% was decrying the far right.

His voice reminds me of Salad Fingers scratching a spoon.

@mariguana7918

3 жыл бұрын

And he’s a genius.

@Malt454

3 жыл бұрын

Your writing reminds me of the other mediocre intelligences I've read on KZread.

@marcrow9114

3 жыл бұрын

@@Malt454 how nice

@Malt454

3 жыл бұрын

@@marcrow9114 - Glad you liked it.

Germany in the late 20's comes to mind.. but then they don;t teach history in school anymore

I intend cancel culture as a way to reread history with a critical eye

The letter was irresponsible and not well written. Why is the right Thugs? Why are we speaking about Trump? This intolerance began in Universities. This is off topic and a deflection, not about the letter.

I never clicked on something so fast! Why Chomsky whyyy???

@keyo3945

3 жыл бұрын

why what?!

@EyupSkydiver

3 жыл бұрын

What do you mean?

@blackflagsnroses6013

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah why what? A libertarian is a defender of free thought. It’s no surprise

@deathuponusalll

3 жыл бұрын

Ruben Avalos kzread.info/dash/bejne/gX9mqrCvmJngdaw.html

@deathuponusalll

3 жыл бұрын

Jonas Nicholson oh no😅 that would be tragic! I was just at an awe that he would sign his support for that letter and have wondered ever since when he would address it and his reasons for signing his approval. Watch the link I posted and you will see what I mean.

Those who disrupted Trump rallies in 2016 played right into his hands. He knew it would drive up tv ratings and coverage for his campaign which was just one big reality show. We all live in his reality show now.

Noam Chomsky is correct ofcourse.

i disagree with chomsky's arguments here, but i get where he's coming from. at the same time, that letter was about awful people seeking cover for their awfulness, and he got duped into giving them that cover.

@xw591

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed.

Charles Murray is still the thing for regressive left? 🙄

I think we should do both. If a fuckface comes to your uni, disrupt their shit and also expose them. Chomsky talks a buncha shit about Sam Harris, but he has a hilariously similar practical position for the current circumstances. That is, to continue to uphold the system that made and keeps them both in grandpa sweaters and velvet slippers.

@onecardshort2934

3 жыл бұрын

@carlos sanchez Nah.

Chompsky is reasonable as always - and ineffectual in this case, because he isn't willing to call out that Cancel culture is feminist fueled

@Malt454

3 жыл бұрын

Compared to his "critics"? Not really.

@citycrusher9308

3 жыл бұрын

@@Malt454 lol - cancel culture is women cancelling men. They are highly effectual at it. That's why Chompsky is ''reasonable''. It's a form of begging the girls to be nice.

@Malt454

3 жыл бұрын

@@citycrusher9308 - Unfortunately, the issue's a little larger than that - but probably not to some "poor me male" who thinks the problems of the world begin and end with him.

@citycrusher9308

3 жыл бұрын

@@Malt454 You can't get larger than 50% of the population. And if you are a male, it affects you too. And since cancel culture is an attack on men's rights, trying to down play it shows you are a loser. If I am the target of abuse, I say so. I don't try to make it about something else to protect my ego.

@Malt454

3 жыл бұрын

​@@citycrusher9308 - What about 60% of the population? 80%? 90%? Society at large? - please don't tell me that you studied math before you became a professional victim. Cancel culture isn't just about its effects on men - but, don't worry, I get it: poor Trevor... poor, poor Trevor... because, after all, it's ALL about you and your poor attacked ego.

You can run away with liars talking, but you can’t runaway from the Truth Being , it’s especially for the USA 🇺🇸 and Israel 🇮🇱 for Palestinian by International respect laws . 🙏🏻😊

@waindayoungthain2147

3 жыл бұрын

🙏🏻😸

@ThaTruFily

3 жыл бұрын

He would hate your guts 😹

This is what I figured his position is for the most part and it’s just silly that he got roped into that letter. Side note, I would want to make sure I was the last person to sign something like that just so some complete POS’s don’t end up signing as well. 🤷🏼‍♂️

@philippbobkaufmann4004

3 жыл бұрын

Do you really think Chomsky got "roped into" signing a letter he didn't agree with? Look, if I read something, agree with it, and decide to sign it, it is no skin off my rosy nose if some complete POS I mostly disagree with signs it as well. Broken clocks are right twice a day, and all of us regularly see eye to eye in particular with people we don't see eye to eye with in general. This "at fault by association" crap is really, deeply, part of the problem the letter tried to table. Be more on the fence about some things.

It appears that most of the commenters have completely missed the point that Chomsky was trying to make. First of all, cancel culture, in the context that the term is being used today, is simply a rebranding of the term political correctness which is a made-up thing by right-wing crybabies. Trying to stifle right-wing speech and confronting right-wing protesters in the streets is counterproductive. That's all he was saying. I don't think it's surprising that he fully defends our 1st Amendment right of free expression. Everyone loves Chomsky. Everyone thinks he's brilliant. How come people are so resistant to follow his advice?

He looks terrible

Which publisher? Common courage press?

Tbh Chomsky is painfully late jumping on the wagon at this moment, just when it's all starting to turn. Lots of folks like those of the Intellectual Dark Web have been saying this stuff for years in much more concrete and indepth ways.

@51gan788

3 жыл бұрын

The IDW is a joke. All they do is attack the left whilst giving virtually no focus to the true inequalities and conflicts perpetuated by those in power

@ManishKumar-uf9tx

3 жыл бұрын

Chomsky's been doing his thing with defending FOE of not just leftist, but also vilest RW, holocaust deniers, war thumping professors (getting to keep their tenure) long before any IDW members were even born. So, give the guy some break.

@lucasrandel8589

3 жыл бұрын

@@51gan788 It's odd to say they attack 'The Left', many of them would say they try to fix the left by shining a light on the unhelpful, toxic parts of it. Eric Weinstein for example is a leftists thinker who has expressed how much he dislikes that he has to spend time discussing on asanine 'leftist' principles instead of on ways of improving inequality trough ecenomics. Jordan Peterson, altough I feel he has always been misguided in his partly right wing believes, has often made the case for the need for left wing thought. I do agree though a lot of the IDW is kinda useless outside of always having dared to speak up against the mainstream.

@51gan788

3 жыл бұрын

@@lucasrandel8589 I have nothing wrong with attacking the left. The left is far far from perfect. But when that's all you do, you're the consequential equivalent to someone on the right

@lucasrandel8589

3 жыл бұрын

@@51gan788 If it's alright to 'attack' parts of the left that are disfunctional, what's wrong with people that do so? You might say there is bigger priority in citicizing the right but there are a lot of people doing important work wich they know how to do and are good at that's not the biggest priority out there. Is everybody who doesn't focus on the number one priority a 'Joke'? Also, to be able to go against the right you need a reasonable left, not one that's marenading in its self referential theory and obscurism instead of bringing about actual reform. It's quite necessary to keep the left from what it's doing, if what it's doing is self-destructing and scaring people away towards the right.

Never understood the appeal of chomsky. He's always struck me as being out of touch with reality.

I kind of agree, but overall I find Chomsky's perspective very naive.

@Rayhuntter

3 жыл бұрын

he is not naive - he is sagacious and farsighted. He thinks rationally and acts tactically, you think emotionally and act impulsively. I find your judgement silly.

@followedtodeath5850

3 жыл бұрын

@@Rayhuntter You don't know Noah Woodhope, how can you say Noah is emotional?

@barquerojuancarlos7253

3 жыл бұрын

@@followedtodeath5850 ... then let's have Noah explain why he thinks Chomsky is "naive"

@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885

3 жыл бұрын

Chomsky's first published news article was on the Civil War in Spain - around the time it was going on. He has some 100 books published on political economy and human rights.

@garybaker1359

3 жыл бұрын

One could disagree with Dr Chomsky's political views, and perhaps call him many things but naive is nowhere near that list.