Now THIS is cool. I am not a Chomksy fan, but you're the first anti-woke person to engage him. I am also glad to see he is willing to speak to you. You make me proud to support you.

@jthomas3584

3 жыл бұрын

Sam Harris tried.

@ebbbrock

3 жыл бұрын

@@jthomas3584 what happened?

@xaviernogueira

3 жыл бұрын

@@ebbbrock They basically wrote essays back and forth in disagreement. Sam was taking a pro-middle East intervention stance, while Chomsky was making an anti-empire argument. Kinda broke down, and honestly, Sam (I'm a fan of his btw) could have been more willing to hear Chomsky's arguments in its entirety. Kinda felt like there were parts he disagreed with and threw the baby out with the bathwater while there maybe could have been more interesting consensus if they kept it more civil. But that's Sam Harris for ya, brilliant but also quite stubborn when he feels like it.

@georgew.hayduke4481

3 жыл бұрын

Chomsky is down to talk to just about anyone and he's always been an advocate for open discourse and letting pretty much anything get a platform. People were trying the whole 'guilt-by-association-for-letting-them-talk' on him back in the 70s and 80s and he successfully defended himself, probably because liberalism was still valued in the culture writ-large.

@someoneelse1904

3 жыл бұрын

@@xaviernogueira Sam has tried to engage with Chomsky a number of times and to have him as a guest on his podcast. At one point it looked like Chomsky had agreed to come on but was then advised against it or took offence to something Sam said and withdrew.

Chomsky will talk to him. Ibram Kendi won't. Hmm.

@megg.6651

3 жыл бұрын

Says a lot about Kendi's "anti-intellectualism"

@alphatech1031

3 жыл бұрын

​@@megg.6651 Its about building a brand, money, and following. As capitalist's, (a rarity today) we acknowledge Kendi's incentive of self interest. What outcome as circumstances stand today, incentivize Kendi to speak with Hughes? Scenarios 1. Kendi is the lesser arguer, and he hurts his reputation, damaging him nominally. 2. Kendi is the dominate arguer, preserves an already largely embraced reputation and remains very much the same nominally. Debate/conversation not worth the risk of loosing/bad press to Kendi as circumstances stand now. It is only if Kendi's wide acceptance starts to fail that he would be incentivised to defend his position as his supporters would begin to leave him, damaging him nominally. Us spreading the horrors of Critical Race Theory and exposing how it not cures, but worsens social issues is what is will change the national narrative and bring people like Kendi to the conversation, less let their erroneous position be lost. Be loud, Be scrutinous, Be continuous in your opposition. God bless our republic

@ebonyatropus7367

3 жыл бұрын

Kendi's far more dogmatic and the dogmatic prefer to do the criticizing instead of engaging with their own critics. The dogmatic need to either be preaching to the choir or in a position to dish out criticism to their opponents instead of being in a place of answering questions or defending/explaining themselves.

@duncandonitz4874

3 жыл бұрын

@@alphatech1031 You may be right, in Kendi's case. But there are people, you know, who engage in conversation, even debate, because they are interested in articulating and understanding ideas, and hold that to be as valuable as money or social status or branding.

@alphatech1031

3 жыл бұрын

@@duncandonitz4874 Do you really believe that a multi millionaire would part with his millions and ideals in the sterk pursuit of truth? I doubt it. I would even say I would have a hard time doing it. To admit im wrong in my life long ideals, loose my income, and rethink 20 years. I dont think I could. I don't expect kendi to. You shouldn't either.

I really appreciate that Coleman is making the effort to talk to people across the political divide and not just people who are likely to agree with him on all issues. Very few people do this these days.

@ebonyatropus7367

3 жыл бұрын

One of the few Americans who doesn't conform to the dogmatic right/left binary, and I wish there were more like him. Most Americans these days are deep into playing the hostile "culture war" game.

@Maziedivision

3 жыл бұрын

Your claim that he’s one of the “few Americans who doesn’t conform to the dogmatic left/right binary” is merely based on how much you happen to listen to voices that oppose the two party system. There are plenty of thinkers and writers : Baraka, Graeber, Greenwald ,Hedges ,Spencer- to name just a few ,all with slightly similar yet strikingly different ideologies that don’t fall on the left/right binary . However the main issue doesn’t fall within a political spectrum but actually analyzing the hidden structures (aka corporate fascism) which sustains and controls the political spectrum. The culture war which you speak of is constantly criticized by thinkers on the far left ,but echo chambers convince many that all leftists amount to pink haired whiny trans people or BLM when in fact it’s MSM painting that stroke and academia perpetuating it with the horrid ideology of “intersectionality “. This was all just a pretty long-winded way to say the culture wars, the identity politics games, and so on are all a result of neoliberalism and its consequences on job security, social mobility, education and everything else in this country .

@nickaslanidis6156

3 жыл бұрын

@@Maziedivision How is neoliberalism or opposition to neoliberalism not on he left/right spectrum?

He has evolved from Chomsky the Grey to Chomsky the White.

@DanHowardMtl

3 жыл бұрын

He's always been Chomsky the crazy. He just looks the part now.

@michstockholm1164

3 жыл бұрын

@@DanHowardMtl who are you?

@DanHowardMtl

3 жыл бұрын

@@michstockholm1164 Who are you?

@runningwithshemp

3 жыл бұрын

@@DanHowardMtl Nardwuar the Human Serviette!

@TheyCalledMeT

3 жыл бұрын

a bit further than that

Oh my god, he got the CHOM!!!!!!!!!!!

@JH-ji6cj

3 жыл бұрын

Gandolf

This will be a great conversation. Can't wait for the whole thing.

THANK YOU for not falling into the pseudo revolutionary neo-rightwing internet wave and having Noam Chomsky on as a guest!

@iolairmuinnmalachybromham3103

2 жыл бұрын

It’s great to have people to listen to who avoid that

The corporate world doesn't support a radical or academic version of Social Justice. They support what Anand Giridharadas calls a "teddified" version of the problem. Named after the Ted talks, this is the concept of a complex, difficult problem that has been simplied to a version that can be explained in 15 minutes and has an easy to implement win/win solution. They earnestly believe that racial problems can be solved by admitting privilege, conquering implicit bias, or taking diversity training. Not only will you end inequality by doing these things but you'll increase your market share, market your product, or get good will from clients. Trust me, no one in this world is sitting around going "do you think that maybe we as individuals have more privelege than even the other members of our racial groups."

@bobloblaw3415

3 жыл бұрын

Agree, though I'd change "they earnestly believe that racial problems can be solved by" to "they earnestly believe their PR problems vis-a-vis race issues can be solved by". There is little downside for companies to join the Social Justice bandwagon. Long-standing successful companies are inherently focused on mitigating risk-and nobody wants to become the arbitrary, albeit unlikely, target of the mob in the social media era.

@IrishBoson

3 жыл бұрын

@@bobloblaw3415 I found a downside with my company joining the Social Justice Bandwagon. They now want to lower the standards we use on our open job position requisitions in order to attract a more diverse candidate (Non-white) in order fit the racial equity goals put in place. It's madness. The downside is obvious, less qualified people and a weaker workforce all for the appearance of being moral or righteous.

@chuchaichu

3 жыл бұрын

@@IrishBoson Appearing moral is not cheap, that's why many companies don't do it. The better thing for companies to do is actually invest in education for non-white communities that are obviously at a disadvantage. But that means putting real money and time into actually making people capable, rather than pretending that they are capable. But again, pretending doesn't cost a dim in short term, but it cost competitiveness in the long run. If US tech companies all do this, the future will belong to Chinese tech companies, which are highly competitive, pragmatic, gives no sh*t to equality and race, the Justice fighters will eventually lose their platforms to even talk about justice. Honestly, white culture is the only culture that allows open criticism while it is dominating. No other culture has ever allowed it. The Irony is that, in an actually injust society, you wouldn't notice the injustice at all.

@haroldsquire8895

3 жыл бұрын

they don't earnestly believe that. They believe in what helps the bottom-line. If that means putting a BLM sticker on a building then so be it. They have little to no care about social justice, besides whether it brings capital or not.

@chuchaichu

3 жыл бұрын

@@haroldsquire8895 What about the people who claim that they care about social justice. Many of them don't care, they just want to gain moral capital for themselves, they don't care about the actual consequences of their doings. What is the difference here between the companies and the moralist people?

To people like AOC, defund the police meant exactly what it said. They shifted the definition only after they realized how unpopular that position became with the general public.

@mickiemallorie

3 жыл бұрын

U gotta be kidding me right? Why would AOC not have a clear definition of 'defund' when she clearly holds the word Abolish in her vocab...as in Abolish Ice. If she meant abolish the police...she would say abolish the police. Defund means exactly what it says...take their money away. And if you know anything about city budgeys... then u know that money must be placed elsewhere.

@agonyuncle879

3 жыл бұрын

@@mickiemallorie No she wouldn't. Abolish Ice is an easy and low risk position to hold. She found out the hard way that defund the police is not, that's why she pivoted. Joe Biden scolded all of them on using that rhetoric as to why they lost so many seats in the recent election. The fact that Chomsky brought up AOC (the lefts version of Sarah Palin) was the only thing i didn't like about the clip.

@mickiemallorie

3 жыл бұрын

@@agonyuncle879 AOC the left version of Palin? Huh? That's insulting to the people of Alaska, and to AOC who has a far tighter grip on policy than Palin. Further...AOC was as recently as November defending defund...Jamal Bowman December. No one has pivoted from defund. How dare the left think people are mature enough to reflect on the exact policy and not just the three little words used as a slogan. You know what it means right? So what's your problem.

@agonyuncle879

3 жыл бұрын

@@mickiemallorie I think the people of Alaska will survive my epic burn ;o). Yeah, keep shilling for a low iq fraud who chased amazon out of ny, wants to bankrupt the country with the new green deal, and who doesn't even know what a garbage compactor is. After all she is a policy genius according to you.

@bigsoso20

3 жыл бұрын

@@mickiemallorie There’s no point of arguing with people like @jefferycollins they’ve made up their minds and are completely unwilling to listen

I hate to say this about someone who's younger than me, but Coleman -- the way you engage with people across the political spectrum and retain civility, openness, curiosity, and a critical mind is beyond admirable: it's evidence that it's these virtues/values that give rise to genuine conversation. I literally can't think of anyone who pulls off what you do. Bravo bravo bravo

Well done for getting him on your show! Love him or hate him, Chomsky represents a finer tradition of leftism and his voice is an important part of the conversation

The reason "white suburbs" have less police is likely because there is less crime and more family and community support. I grew up in multicultural and multiracial suburbs in the 80's. Not many had much money. Our parents usually worked. We came home alone. Nobody had tutors, etc. There were no police in our neighborhoods because we stayed out of trouble and looked out for each other. I'm always confused as to why people are surprised their neighborhood has a lot of police presence when there are high crime rates? I live in a suburb now. People here are upset if we don't get police through the neighborhood to make sure things are safe. Nobody is ever happy? Just take care of your business and stay out of trouble. Teach your kids to do the same. What's hard about that?

@PatsYanks09

3 жыл бұрын

Many people (all ethnicities, etc. ) mean well, but have never lived in these types of environments. They only know what academia has told them. That is why they don't understand what is actually going on. We need to re-form strong families, safen and invest in the communities.

One thing I can agree with Chomsky on is that many large corporations have been complicit in spreading pro-BLM propaganda.

@PIFF50

3 жыл бұрын

I worked at one that was over the top with BLM. They donated $100,000’s to BLM organizations. Meanwhile, they’re paying their predominantly black production employees employees $12 an hour

@johnwright7916

3 жыл бұрын

@@PIFF50 Theres a Michael Brooks video that covers this side of the movement and how Companies could use terms such as "microaggressions" as a tool against disgruntled workers. Pure tokenism in my eyes. I support BLM, but I do not trust any large corporations supporting the movement.

@michaelweber5702

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnwright7916 - I support black lives but not BLM as an organization ...

@estebanmiguel6019

3 жыл бұрын

I own two AirBNB properties. They send part of their profits which are partially paid by me, to BLM. It stinks because they basically have a monopoly on that industry. We tried marketing with VRBO and another company but got 1/5 of the business as VRBO. I support black, and all lives, but disagree with BLM on most everything.

@janiskirsis7261

2 ай бұрын

@@estebanmiguel6019 Is'nt because AirBNB company's (partly) owner is Soross?

This is badass, Coleman. So glad you guys we able to share ideas during this crucial time in American history.

First-time commenter, I am extremely happy to see this engagement. Thank you for talking with a left-wing heavyweight. They have important contributions. I can't wait to hear this dialogue. The action is in the middle!

I have a dream that some day we can become so hyper-focused on identity groupings that we may manage to fracture collectivists into increasingly narrow identities such that they can see the importance of the individual again.

@adtastic1533

3 жыл бұрын

Irony is when the very group you need for a socialist revolution are storming the Capitol on behalf of a fascist demagogue. How did we get here? Identity politics.

@margueritezoe

3 жыл бұрын

@@adtastic1533: You need a group of a few hundred, dumbed-down conspiracy theorists in capes and moose hats for a socialist revolution? On second thought... yeah, that sounds about right.

@adtastic1533

3 жыл бұрын

@@margueritezoe That's what you saw. What I saw was the white working class and rural class hypnotized by the first man in politics to speak to them on their terms in decades. Of course they should be fodder for the Left, except the Left hates their fucking guts. Why? Cos of identity politics.

@mkayokay3192

3 жыл бұрын

Ad Tastic class based consciousness sans race hasn’t been allowed in this country since Occupy WS for a very specific reason.

@margueritezoe

3 жыл бұрын

@@adtastic1533: If you think those idiots in any way represent the majority of Trump supporters, or right-wing populism, then I think you've been hypnotized by too much corporate media. But I'll agree with you on one thing... both the corporate Left and the populist Left see human beings as nothing more than fodder for their political agendas.

Wow, Noam and Coleman! It's my lucky day!

Cant wait to listen to this. Thanks coleman

A great exchange of views. Thanks for this.

So good to see Coleman talking with the heavy hitter himself. Fully deserved, glad I got to listen to Coleman during lockdown.

@jonhelguson

3 жыл бұрын

If you boil Chomsky down to common language, it’s not that heavy. His good points are obvious, and a lot is ideological rhetoric. He’s utterly void of philosophy. Cookie cutter socialist stuff, and I don’t mean that to insult him, it’s just a fact. He’s a linguistic, and he uses the art of language to push bad ideas and sometimes lies.

@peterhardie4151

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonhelguson Hard to find something Chomsky has been wrong about in 50 years.

@peterhardie4151

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonhelguson I am always weary of anyone who uses right, left, socialist, conservative as a smear. Seems like an entrenched position if you can only see things through a left, right lense.

@robertbarton4457

Жыл бұрын

@@jonhelguson power in and of its self is not self justifying and if it cannot justify its actions then why should't the people revolt against it, is his basic over arching philosophy and tbh I think that's hard to argue against (if the reason we want democracy is freedoms and self actualisation, then surly if what claims to be democracy stands in the way of that it must be changed) and he applies that to power on both left and right, he's calls out propaganda from both sides of the isel (tho from the right more often but he usaly speaks on America, by international stands a very right wing country), he speaks very poorly of the new woke left (saying they stem from real causes but there tatctis are disastorious) he also all out cancel culture on both sides of the isle too I dissagreed with him massively on his covid and lockdown oppionions but he is a man of princibale and he applies those principals to all to write him off as some ideolog leftest is quite wrong

@jonhelguson

Жыл бұрын

@@peterhardie4151 if you find that hard you haven’t compared his ideas against history. It’s socialist because that’s literally what it is and those whose ideology is grounded in socialism are mostly wrong, most of the time. In addition, look at his material contributions to the world. He’s made hundreds of thousands of dollars a year talking about ideas but hasn’t employed anybody, fixed anything, and all it took was for him to become scared and he became a tyrant instantly. He’s a preacher from an ivory tower who hasn’t dared to pick up a sword. Sorry bud, but the proof is in the pudding. I have a feeling you are like him. The guy at the party with all the answers but then complains about his boss not recognizing his worth. You’re underpaid right?

CHOMSKY! Coleman - I'm so impressed at this interview. Excellent work.

Can't wait for the full video

haha, I knew that Chomsky was going to like the word nominally.

@kaaajeee

3 жыл бұрын

haha, i actually googled the word as soon as Coleman said it and seconds later Chomsky pointed it out.

@EB-bl6cc

3 жыл бұрын

that's the common tactic when someone is cornered about a topic, pick out a word or phrasing that can allow them to maneuver out

@mgm8075

3 жыл бұрын

Glad he agreed with Coleman's observation. Social Justice is of nominal use to corporations, because it adds to the bottom line without doing anything.

@ZachThom9

3 жыл бұрын

NOAMinally ?

I'd love to see a debate set up between Irami Osei-Frimpong(Might have seen on The Hill's Rising) and Coleman. That'd produce some good discussion with very different philosophies going back and forth but staying calmly discussed.

I hope this episode will have closed captions. A lot of interesting points made

Thought provoking conversation!

Couple of my favorite guys. Nice.

Not a Chomsky fan, but still, damn. It’s crazy you got him.

Wow! Good job Coleman !

Completely agree with Coleman’s assessment of the Malcom X’ing, not the MLK’ing, of the present civil rights movement....I fear this is more vengeance than justice these days🥺

@kevinclapson

3 жыл бұрын

Outrage is easier to capitalize on, especially when you consider the target isn't black people that need to be convinced they should be outraged, but white people who need to be outraged to avoid unsavory labels like racist or privileged

@PhilMccamley

3 жыл бұрын

Wasn't MLK a socialist who was for affirmative action? Listen to cornel west and you'll see that it is as much about justice today as it was 50 years ago

@klammer75

3 жыл бұрын

@@PhilMccamley yeah....think I’m just referring to his ‘colorblind’ aspect of social racial progress and that now we focus on identity and not humanity, which I think Dr. King would very much have issues with....not a fan of Cornell West or any of these so-called champions of ‘justice’.😖

@PhilMccamley

3 жыл бұрын

@@klammer75 Except if MLK was for affirmative action he was not 'colourblind', in fact he openly admitted to thinking that most white americans did not truly care for racial equality as it became more a matter of etiquette than actual justice (this is a cnbc interview of him). Sure as a Christian MLK definitely did focus on humanity, but that is not mutually exclusive with identity. I would not call cornel west a champion of justice - we don't need to take it to that level - but his philosophy on the issue can help :) besides we don't all have to admire the same authors

@EB-bl6cc

3 жыл бұрын

for sure. These groups don't actually want equality, they want to control people

Props to both participants for aiming at a constructive dialogue across an otherwise intellectual divide...

A domestic violence call is one of the most dangerous a cop responds to. What "community service" is up to facing such a situation? And as for family stepping in, what? Some woman's dad or brother going over to "talk some sense" into her drunken, aggressive husband? That's a wonderful recipe for Murder 2 Surprise. I think Chomsky is being unrealistic.

@selfwhiteous8660

3 жыл бұрын

He was nominally on point this conversation

@bigsoso20

3 жыл бұрын

Most social workers are more than capable of handling domestic abuse cases what you’re saying is just not true

@bigsoso20

3 жыл бұрын

Most social workers are more than capable of handling domestic abuse cases what you’re saying is just not true

@crazierthan-u7571

3 жыл бұрын

@@bigsoso20 Are you making a distinction between a case and a call? If you hear the sound of things breaking and screaming coming from the house next door, are you going to call a cop or a social worker?

@bigsoso20

3 жыл бұрын

@@crazierthan-u7571 Ofc it has to be done on a case by case basis Domestic calls are dangerous but not all warrant the militant policing and vice versa a lot of cops that get killed in domestic calls go in alone when they shouldn’t have. It’s wrong to send a lone officer in some of those cases and other cases it’s wrong to send a whole team of them.

Much respect Mr.Hughes.

07:16 love how NC suggests that Coleman (or those adopting a perspective he alludes to) is being "misleading," albeit without sounding condescending or adversarial... He just makes a reasoned and clear case with well-chosen words.

In this context, nominality is irrelevant.

@haroldsquire8895

3 жыл бұрын

In many ways it's the most relevant, seeing that it's been a tactic used for centuries by the business class.

@willpower3317

3 жыл бұрын

@@haroldsquire8895 a tactic used for centuries by the business class, yes, but without implications? I think not.

@haroldsquire8895

3 жыл бұрын

@@willpower3317 what implications?

I hope the full thing is 2 days long

Is that a landline in the background, Coleman?

NOW your talkin'. I've been looking for someone who is not right wing to talk about this issue. Excellent guest for an excellent subject. Thank you.

Police killings are actually equal against black and white. When you factor in police interaction, based on crime rate.

@dancode9738

3 жыл бұрын

Coleman makes the point often. With that being said, too many people want to dismiss lack of police accountability and unchecked aggression as a non-issue in regards to BLM. That it should be dismissed because BLM happens to be too focused on black individuals over white ones. Doesn't solving the issue for black people, also help the case for white people? Is the woke aspect such a sin that the entire protest and its goals should be dismissed on that basis.

@PhilMccamley

3 жыл бұрын

what about incarceration rates?

@manfrummt

3 жыл бұрын

@@dancode9738 . Police aggression SHOULD be addressed but saying it's racially motivated in a systemically racist society, causes people to get really angry. There is an obsession with hating the 'white man' with liberals. But it's based on lies. Lies hurt people. The amount of destruction caused by those lies, is not worth the dent they might put in police brutality.

@manfrummt

3 жыл бұрын

@@PhilMccamley .. That's simple. High crime rate equals high incarceration rate, for one thing. Also, factors like criminal record and social status and economics play into sentencing, no matter the race. Change those factors (without blaming an entire race of people) and incarceration rates go down. You can do this by strengthening the family and getting fathers back into homes. You can do that by welfare and family court reform, not to mention change society's ideology from sex-obsessed, government reliant, and violence worshipping values to conservative (GOD FEARING) values. This wont happen. It's all been prophecied. But wouldn't take the voice of God to predict the stupid course mankind would take. We all instinctively know, I think, that there is no changing course.

@PhilMccamley

3 жыл бұрын

@@manfrummt I understand that the issue isn't black or white, but i do think that black individuals are more likely to experience police controls, not necessarily due to racial biases but to structural issues that expose vulnerable communities to uncalled for identity control or car searches etc. Because the police needs to raise its revenues (for promotions) then we have stop and frisks more often, with overpolicing in the "high crime areas", in addition to immunity due to the protected status of police then thid can also beget more police violence. Devin Carbado and Patrick Rock have researched this and their article can be read for free on google. Personally I think these issues are of greater importance than fixing broken homes (even though the task of defining that is needed), although for sure it helps. I agree that the government should consider the need for progressive welfare programs even though they are a given in the EU.

Why as a supporter can I not find this full conversation on the website??

I live in Europe, to be honest, I don't feel much identity politics in real life around me. I have met radical young kids, a couple of them, that's it. They don't seem to be capable of taking care of themselves, they are very likely to end up being taken care of by the society that they claim to hate. They treat real people quite bad, and they claim that they care about abstract people, I mean, they are not influencing politics that much. The US is different. People really like to point out their colors to me in general, although that piece of information is literally on their faces. The more they repeat it, the more different and distant they become. By emphasizing the different colors, they are not inviting me to a conversation, they are encouraging performance out of me according to their scripts. It is an ugly business to get into. It seems to me, that these identity groups are changing the US political landscape. I wonder why is US different comparing to Europe in that sense.

The conversation Sam Harris always wanted. Good luck to his Padawan

@soulfuzz368

3 жыл бұрын

Sam doesn’t deserve to speak to Chomsky

@mattbabb.

3 жыл бұрын

@@soulfuzz368 easy there. They are but mere mortals

@galenbjorn443

3 жыл бұрын

@@soulfuzz368 Ofc he does, why not? Sam is easy one of the great minds we have

@soulfuzz368

3 жыл бұрын

@@galenbjorn443 we deserve better

@EskiLdn

3 жыл бұрын

@@galenbjorn443 He was, sam is a bit of a loon now. Glen lary (sp?) jimmy dore, coleman just to name acouple have become far better minds than sam now.

Way to go, Coleman! You are moving on up!

Seems as if the pseudo-reality is "nominally" working as designed.

@willpower3317

3 жыл бұрын

I’ll say.

@PhilMccamley

3 жыл бұрын

Can u be more specific?

@willpower3317

3 жыл бұрын

@@PhilMccamley have you heard Biden/Harris speak in the last 6 months?

@PhilMccamley

3 жыл бұрын

@@willpower3317 Yes I have, politicians like to posture, remember Obama?

@haroldsquire8895

3 жыл бұрын

You can tell who follows James Lindsay.

Oh shit!!! This is different! I fuck with it

I see Coleman and I hit like.

Well ....here’s something I never expected to see my KZread feed. But then again we are well well well through the looking glass now my friends

When Noam tells you to chill out with the far left activism, you know you've gone too far.

@PhilMccamley

3 жыл бұрын

noam says chill with violent left wing activism, not left wing activism.

@daviddouglas1707

3 жыл бұрын

pfft

@Maziedivision

3 жыл бұрын

But why do you consider BLM far left activists when they depend on corporations to advertise their logos ? I suspect you might be attaching a cultural value to what far left means when in fact the SJW crowd are not in any affiliation with far left movements and we rail against them just like the right does. Intersectionality is not a far left ideology (which all the fucking SJWs praise) ; it’s a neoliberal academia scheme that ignores material analysis in favor of hyperreal oppression narratives.

"To think that I should have lived to be good-morninged by Belladonna Took's son, as if I was selling buttons at the door!"

where is the rest of this interview?

In the UK Noam's playbook doesn't scan. Nobody thinks the police are guilty of over reach except in the area of policing people ideas and conversations.

Coleman, next conversation Adolph Reed.

Two of the greatest current thinkers in America in one video!! Really looking forward to this!!

Ive always thought Chomsky was right on everything. One of the most knowledgable political speakers of the 20th Century. The scope & detail his mind covered was quite remarkable - I did a Degree in some of it, my Dissertation was on East Timor, yet it was Chomsky who could recall the dates & details of all that took place. A treasure. But most recently on woke I've found my thoughts drifting from alignment with his as so many on the Left - I'm not sure if they changed or I did. But Chomsky & the Left should be asked x

Noam is certainly giving the sunny side of the this chat

@JH-ji6cj

3 жыл бұрын

Not getting into the weeds and not naming names for legitimacy of his points, sure paints a picture of where Chomsky is in the propaganda game, no? He speaks truthfully about the value of free speech, but doesn't practice the reason for its purpose.

Love Chomsky. Sad how uninformed people think Chomsky is woke when he was fighting postmodernism before most of us were born and before it was fashionable and debated focault himself. Like him or not he’s a genius in many domains.

"things like domestic abuse ... should be handled by community services" That's the sort of thing a man who's spent his entire life on a university campus would think is a good idea.

@MrFrostedtips

3 жыл бұрын

Yep. You can find the same delusions in his famous foreign policy "expertise". Only someone stuck on MIT campus for 75 years would assume the American state to be the most nefarious actor in global affairs. 75 years of relativizing Soviet Union, CCP, the Khmer Rouge etc. with liberal democracies. Just utter crap for anyone who has lived and seen real evil in other parts of the world.

@PhilMccamley

3 жыл бұрын

You are not actually disputing his point but accusing him a priori of not having the legitimacy to partake in this kind of conversation bc he has an ivory tower.. but he does research isnt that already grounds enough to talk about the issue?

@PhilMccamley

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrFrostedtips American foreign policy has made things WORSE. Just look at the past 20 years for Christ sake

@MrFrostedtips

3 жыл бұрын

@@PhilMccamley American foreign policy rebuilt entire continent of Europe after Nazism (Marshall Plan) and is the only bulwark we have against Chinese and Russian totalitarian governmental systems, just as it was against the Soviet Union, something you would never take from Chomsky's work because he's a partisan old tankie who can't see the difference between Putinist Russia and a flawed liberal democracy. As an EU citizen I can also tell you it certainly won't be Europe playing that role either given our deference to both Russia and China in return for cheap natural gas and investment respectively.

@MrFrostedtips

3 жыл бұрын

@@PhilMccamley he is observing the sheltered and myopic view Chomsky holds of the world and is putting forward an obvious explanation. Just as the wokettes arose from academia and college campuses, so too did Chomskyian political thought. Anyone who has lived in a non liberal democracy can tell you the difference between that type of society and ours. Noam cannot. To him Barack Obama is just the same as Paul Pot. Moral relavitism only works when you face no consequences to making such false equivalencies. Noam Chomsky hasn't faced a single consequence for a political pronouncement in his life. He is a tenured professor at one of the most elite universities in the world. You can live your life out as a "radical" in America with nothing happening to you. Try that elsewhere Noam, you might see the value in liberal democracies then.

Can we start a go fund me page for Noam's beard ?

@prybarknives

3 жыл бұрын

Holy shit! It looked like that crystal cave, with jutting branches of silver fur going in every direction.

Can’t wait for the full talk, love Chomsky.

Police don't usually call out to a domestic incident but if someone is beating up their significant other you better believe the police are going to attend and take your sorry soul to jail.

@johnhume4346

3 жыл бұрын

Also - as an emt we deal with people having a crisis of mental health. We do not as a rule require the police to attend, but if threatened with violence or physically attacked we will request the police. Its all on you.

Engineer consent - make sure people have beliefs and ideas conducive to their power

I’m looking forward to this conversation, as I’ve never liked Chomsky and I find him to be one of the causes why university campuses are the way they are now.

@mickiemallorie

3 жыл бұрын

Chomsky? You think Chomsky's reach are all college campuses? Have you actually been to college? Or rather...ever read or listened to Chomsky?

@funknotik

3 жыл бұрын

What does that mean? Lol

Please make the whole thing available (i.e. unpaid) !!! Call it a public service, esp. during a pandemic...

I listened to the whole thing, I wish Coleman would’ve pushed him more.

@johnnycade1066

3 жыл бұрын

coleman didn't push him more because coleman is not on Chomsky's intellectual level, this is like a college student having a conversation with his professor.

@GiorgiNemsitsveridze

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnnycade1066 Depends on the subject matter, Chomsky's political thinking is limited, and Coleman is more competent in a race related discussion.

all my boys watch this convo of titans

Where did he get Chomsky?

Well coleman hughes can now officially be taken seriously........is my tongue in my cheek?......you tell me.

@nateofthesouth

3 жыл бұрын

I take his ideas seriously.

@KingMinosxxvi

3 жыл бұрын

@@nateofthesouth good for you. Im not sure you got my joke. It's about the intellectual respect given to Noam Chomsky. (usually unthinkingly)

@nateofthesouth

3 жыл бұрын

@@KingMinosxxvi Yup, sorry. Couldn't tell if you were joking. Cheers.

Talk with Yang too

I would say the Reverend Dr. William Barber and Dr Cornel West are more aligned with Dr King❤️

Are we reinterpreting history here?

@soulfuzz368

3 жыл бұрын

Can we do anything else?

This guy thinks if he doesn't shave, speaks real slow, and puts simple concepts into complex words that he is somehow the wise wizard of humanity. Just a sad byproduct of the empty void called our university system.

@smokebuh

3 жыл бұрын

One of the main reasons i dont like chomsky! Perfect

Wow, big guest! I don't really like Chomsky all that much but I'm looking forward to this listening to this chat

Police shouldn't be involved in domestic abuse cases??? WTF???

Should have asked Chomsky about how he denied genocides in Cambodia and spent much of his career defending the Chemia rouge.

I wonder if he repeats the "police should get out of affairs such as domestic abuse" when he talks to a feminist, but I bet he is too strategic about his "opinions." He likes being liked. Anyways, I have great admiration for his scientific work.

Not sure social workers are the best choice for dealing with with armed domestic violence.

how does chomsky not know that these 'community programs' don't work in practice?

Yikes, first time seeing Chomsky on video since the Bush 43 administration. Is he trying out for a remake of Miracle on 34th Street?

Corp will always take ur money no matter left or right. Just because they support you doesn't mean they give a fuck.

The title of this video is a description of FASCISM

It would be an awful idea to defund the police especially in cities where crime rates are very high such as Chicago and Baltimore (the site of the Freddie Gray riots in April-May 2015). The post-May 25th unrest has led to a spike in homicides and aggravated assaults which involve blacks as both the perpetrators and the victims respectively which is something that BLM and its handlers have largely no interest in even dealing with neighborhood crime that affects men, women, and children.

You got Chomsky on??! That’s awesome

Chomsky is clearly a brilliant man but he's basically arguing from induction. He should know better. Serious historians wouldn't make this mistake and he may not have when he was younger. This is not the same social justice from the '60s. BLM claims to be "decentralized" although I doubt this is true on close examination nor do I think it's a good thing if it were. Chomsky makes good a la carte points on one level of explanation. What he seems to miss is that this mess of confusion he tries to sort out is a feature and not a bug of the movement. The strategy is to confuse and dissolve accountability. Best fishing in murky waters. One cannot pick and choose which parts or interpretations are reflections of BLM . They all are. That Chomsky can say some '60s radicals were actually not so radical and closer to King is because King was a real leader willing to put his name to his clear ideas around a clear and legitimate cause. There is no King today and so far the Democrats don't seem to show they want to draw a clear and rational line of what is what. Penalty for dissent is the critical ingredient of what is often misnamed groupthink. There are no dangerous ideas, only danger in ideas made unimpeachable.

@soulfuzz368

3 жыл бұрын

Well put

@davidjuliesmiththomas7983

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed, this is not the same social justice as the 60s. Nicely said

@colinmcc8564

3 жыл бұрын

Lot of good points here but I have a hard time seeing how people link these movements with the Democrats across the board. I would be curious to know how much attention you expect Democrats to bring to movements like Defund and BLM. How much distancing and denouncing of specific actions of leaderless movements do you expect? Does AOC, representing a district in New York, need to denounce looting when it happens in Portland? I do worry about the accountability of a leaderless movement (I have confidence individuals are held accountable), but when you look at the assassinations that took place decades ago, can you blame them? Just some thoughts

@mgm8075

3 жыл бұрын

According to studies of BLM, the movement itself is quite decentralized. There was no central planning done by an organization/singular person for the vast majority of protest. You have a point in saying that decentralization may not have been a good thing, but Chomsky made the correct observation. You are giving them too much credit when you say it is "strategy" when this strategy has not been explicitly stated by anyone who attended nor was it a principle for any group within the movement. To corral all who attended and say they are "all a reflection of the movement" is disingenuous at best. This is not the case for any large movement whether it be one for Trump nor for movements of the 60s. There will always be outliers who use it for their own gain and it's been proven that while there were people who took advantage of the movement over 95% were peaceful. I would not throw the baby out with the bathwater because of a few bad apples. When a movement is this decentralized with no clear leader, and a small fraction of misbehavers, it is best to delineate the true reflections of the group and not characterize them solely by the smallest fraction, which is the easy way out. Not a BLM fan, but Chomsky rightly pointed this out.

Err, no. They talked about disbanding entire police forces and replacing them with "community policing" from the start. It's only the BLM apologists who softened it down to "what we really mean is reform" or whatever.

@EskiLdn

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@theotormon

3 жыл бұрын

Both ideas have always been in the movement. It isn't true or fair to imply that one is the real identity of the group and the other are just running defense for the sake of public perception. These are legit factions of purpose, and Chomsky himself here relates one part of the black power movement to a criminal element.

Congratulations on getting Chomsky. You're a positive young Brother. Stay on this path you're on. For a world history view endorsed by Noam, I would urge you to try arranging an interview with Fabian Scheidler...

Noam Chomsky looks like Mr House

I appreciate Chomsky's thinking, but with regard to Policing and domestic violence. Such incidents are often extremely violent and require compassionate, empathetic, crisis interventionists, trained to diffuse tension but also trained to use appropriate force when necessary- I used to be one such person- a Police Officer. Sending counselors to deal with domestic violence will result in a greater number of victims.

@bluemiles7860

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think he meant it with those constraints. He's in favor of police handling violent situations, but to have them arrest and look after those who show addiction, mental health issues and domestic violence seems like a waste of money that could be directed toward other resources, especially when there are many situations that aren't violent.

@bluemiles7860

3 жыл бұрын

@@EvsEntps "only turn up when they are called" not true, they roam the streets constantly. but that's beside the point. The point is that we don't have a system that prioritizes using social workers to rehabilitate people, mostly because we don't want to fund it. instead our system has police playing day-care over mostly non-violent criminals. Look at most crimes of the recent years, there's been a drastic decrease in violent crimes across the board since the 90s let alone early 2000s. It's a mere fact that the police are vastly over funded and we shouldn't have them interfering with non-violent social issues, nor looking after mostly non-violent prisoners. Waste of money.

Some of my favorite minds!

Police shouldn't be involved in domestic abuse? HUH?

Domestic disturbances are probably the most deadly encounters police have with the public. Yeah let's sent social workers instead.

@davidjuliesmiththomas7983

3 жыл бұрын

I drove ambulances for a few years when I was young and when you pull up at a domestic, get out of the car and walk to the house, you don't really know what you are walking into. If social workers want to do that then good luck to them.

Looks like Noam didn’t listen to BLM rhetoric, or maybe heard what he wanted too. Not really that interested in what he has to say, but good catch to get people to notice.

@colinmcc8564

3 жыл бұрын

If someone doesn't walk away with the same 'takeways' as you, then they were listening selectively? We all prioritize current events differently, let's not dismiss others perspectives so easily.

@colinmcc8564

3 жыл бұрын

@@dgreyz so what have been their actual actions and what are they really saying? More police accountability, ending qualifying immunity, you didn't see signs or hear people saying these things when you observed protests?

woah....

Domestic violence isn't a police worthy activity?

You got Noam? God bless you, Coleman.

Wow, Noam Chomsky! Impressive!!

Has Chomsky ever given his opinion on applied postmodernism?

@davidjstreader

2 жыл бұрын

yes, there's a few vids here on youtube you can look up. he says it doesn't offer anything of value. he also famously debated Foucault, which is also here, if you're curious

Whoa

BLM said to twerk for MLK day

Noam Chomsky?! That fuckin guy is still alive?? *sees him in video* Oh.. well... kind of.

America need smart people to unite the country.