Controlling my own work is my dream. Chomsky's thought on this mirrors my own.

1:15 "Why should you work on command? I mean if you work on command you're some kind of slave."

@pneron2032

5 жыл бұрын

Even in the smallest tribe work is imposed on some level. That is natural and necessary for actually getting anything done. Imagine trying to run a household where the only work that got done was chosen by the family members. It would be a catastrophe.

@Mr47steam

5 жыл бұрын

@@pneron2032 as soon as they saw it was a catastrophe, they would take the initiative to not have it happen again, thus choosing the work that they will do accordingly, based on their own needs and interests. All authority either sustains itself by fear, or by trust, what the video is saying is to do away with authority based on fear.

@pneron2032

5 жыл бұрын

@@Mr47steam Well, let us not forget that authority is also based upon competence. Moreover, some jobs are necessary but completely undesirable (e.g. sewer work). What the wage mechanism does is to give people an incentive to do these jobs, and then to spend their wages on goods that they see as worthwhile. Now, at the level of a whole society: there will always be those who are willing to do undesirable work which benefits the whole community - and those who are simply lazy and unwilling. Our current system takes account of this element of human behaviour. Chomsky's utopian system does not. Also what fear? The fear of your boss killing you? What world do you live in!? The fear of hunger? That is always there: work is the antidote. That that work be directed by competent people is no bad thing. Economic efficiency counts.

@deplaneetegmont

5 жыл бұрын

@@pneron2032 I disagree with everything you say. First, competence is irrelevant. When you work in a fast food restaurant, you get payed by the hour, doesn't matter whether the place is packed or not. Second, if the undesirable work is incentivised by the wage mechanism, how come these are low paying jobs? If you wouldn't have this (low) wage, then the undesirable work would become more appealing, it would be a very noble thing to do. Wage dismisses this genuine value. Thirdly, if economic efficiency is what counts, then why not go back to original slavery? I'm sure it's very efficient. Also, 'what fear?'. Well, we both know that millions of people live in constant fear of not being able to pay their bills.

@pneron2032

5 жыл бұрын

@@deplaneetegmont Thanks. Firstly competence is important when delegating tasks. If I go into a physics lab there is no use my trying to give the professor orders. Modern economies are complicated things to run: ask Mugabe. Yes people fear losing their jobs. So? If you work for yourself you fear hunger...and? Slavery is not efficient actually. The worker has no motivation to increase his output. Wages are not akin to slavery because you can change your job, and you can eventually opt out of wages by starting a co-op or a business. Sewer work is valuable but not highly skilled, which is why it is not paid well. Unfortunate, I agree. Now I agree that markets do not calculate value well. But their genius is to give people a good reason to innovate and contribute; and they give people with a few skills a means of earning a living (wages) which they save and spend as they please. Lastly, the world doesn't owe our living to us. We have to work: in a hunter gatherer tribe or in a modern economy.

Chomsky is very sincere and modest , something rarely found in most of the intellectuals today. Specially on the right wing .

@mranderson3277

5 жыл бұрын

LOL

@ronsan9845

3 жыл бұрын

Trump 2020

@bobvanderwest9358

3 жыл бұрын

The Right has intellectuals?

@justgivemethetruth

3 жыл бұрын

Modest? LOL ... hardly. He argues a lot of things based on the number of sycophants that will support him. Just Look at how much kick back and grief anyone who criticizes Chomsky gets here on KZread. Especially when it comes to debating Palestine ... Chomsky's method of argumentation is BS. It is because he says it is. This guy is a CIA plant to divide the Left. When did the Palestinians every become Liberals or democratic or tolerant of anyone?

@akmil807

2 жыл бұрын

@@justgivemethetruth He has had the same ideology since the 1970s I believe. That he has differences with most modern leftists doesn't make him a cia plant to devide the left

Any worker would choose democracy, creative owned work over degrading, stressful wage slavery where you rent your labor out to a master who controls everything about your work given an actual choice.

@pneron2032

5 жыл бұрын

Working for a wage is not degrading. It is far better than being a subsistence farmers in Africa... Moreover, you can opt out and start a company, start a cooperative, take a better wage job etc.

@utilitymonster8267

3 жыл бұрын

P Neron, “in Africa...”, please tell me that you were kidding when you wrote that down. And no, starting a company isn’t easy if a small group of people controlls the means of production. Besides, not everyone can start a company because 1. Not everyone has the abilities and 2. That’s simply impossible. Not everyone can have their own company; you’d not have enough workers then. And even if they could; not everyone has the ability to run a company. Does that lack of ability entitle those who do to run a system of wage slavery? And why would someone do that? People don’t have the right to take your money and pay a part back in the form of wage. So we have to focus on abolishing that stuff.

@user-gz4ve8mw9l

Жыл бұрын

A persons time is a finite resource of more significant value than any non living wage slave labor. As such it is the duty of the individual to refuse to be the capitalist owner classes slaves.

A true intellectual is a person that could cut through loud messy propaganda with the calmest demeanor and the simplest of words

@mikethebloodthirsty

2 жыл бұрын

Couldn't care about him less anymore, at best his calls for vaccine segregation and vaccine mandates are proof of a senile mind, at worst... Proof of a deeply flawed man. I suspect the latter.

To be a round peg in a round hole, as regards satisfaction in work, three elements are required : i) Enjoy what you do. ii) Give pleasure to others; as in creating value for others. And iii) Get fairly paid; and on time! [Most people have one of these elements; the average, or reasonably fortunate, have two; and the most fortunate have all three. There is, of course, a knock-on effect, in this stance]

Brilliant as always. Intellectual depth and breadth

Woke up after a nightmare. Yt recommends me this. Is this the sign?

My sacrifice, 🙏🏼here for him the righteous Man 👨 . Truly was like the Best day before .

What if they combine? If there is a circumstnce when you get told what to do but are happy with that, you want to be told what to do?

@pedroocm

3 жыл бұрын

In most cases it won't though, most people don't know and shouldn't dictate what some person likes to do and how they like to do it

If the core idea of The Enlightenment was to “control your own work” then a lot of people are missing out on freedom. Seems the trend is to have less control, not more, working under command. It’s alienating. But I don’t see how can it be substantially otherwise.

Does anyone know what speech this is from?

@ojmancio

3 жыл бұрын

I also want to know

A hierarchical vs democratic organization. Things may not get done as quickly in democratic system, but workers would be much happier, because they are free.

@BollocksUtwat

7 жыл бұрын

*Things may not get done as quickly in democratic system, but workers would be much happier, because they are free.* I think if anything studies have shown that worker cooperatives within current capitalist economies are actually more productive on average. It means that happier workers are actually more productive workers, and that's actually accepted as an aphorism by many capitalists too.

@BuGGyBoBerl

3 жыл бұрын

also if you work at something because you enjoy it you are much more passionate and effective.

At the beginning of this year i quit my job to become self employed.Os this the only way to get out of wage slavery?

@ivankaramazov707

4 жыл бұрын

How is it going so far?

@lonelycubicle

Жыл бұрын

@@ivankaramazov707 Was “just” going to ask the same thing

We also need teams and teams have to have standards and do that, I guess you could call it, on command. Sort of. Anyway otherwise it’s not a team. I dont think it makes sense that everyone only works on things that they can do alone for example. There is some kind of supervenience of the team with respect to the individual team members if there is a team. Indeed if workers “control the means of production”, they don’t each control alone to their own standards or something. Or, again, it may be a something but it’s not a team. The generalities being discussed here are, however, incredibly important in timely.

“If they pay you 1/10th the income, still better than working on command.” Good for the soul, but is it really true? What if an electrical engineer right out of college (and picked a major with good career prospects)? & becoming a tenured professor is quite difficult now. I agree working under your own control is better, but how realistic is it for most people?

@Anarchist_communist

2 ай бұрын

You are brainwashed by capitalists that you don't believe a better world is possible .

My labor the past four years is at no one's instruction and I am not paid by anyone...the whole world will come to benefit from it. I am far from wealthy...income 22,000 per year, live on a Homestead and have a labor intensive lifestyle...solar power with two DC light bulbs and a car battery...water by the bucket from a well...drive to spring for drinking water...fell buck and split wood for winter ...haul it by sled and split it by hand....office for copy work is a Staples one hour away...have spent nearly ten thousand dollars ....mileage and gas not included

What's wrong in working for money? I can build my life without labor for wages, I tried a cople of times and I didn't like it. My free choice is labor for wages, I prefer that. Cause money is an another discipline drive for me. Let's be honest. Humans are lazy. If we can NOT-do stuff, we will NOT-do stuff. I love the way my salary, my team that I am responsible for, my management that I am responsible to make me wake up every morning and do stuff, because I do not want to let them down. And one more reason, I want my good salary. In school I was angry at teachers who made me learn, but when I grew up I think where is this strict teacher that pushes my lazy butt to go achieve what I really want to achieve, but if no motivation, I will lay down instead. So, I do not agree that labor for wages is a slavery. It is, if you have no choice. But nowadays we normally have. We just prefer to work and be productive in a way that works best for us. Not all of us are Leonardo da Vinci.

@rumel97

Ай бұрын

Laziness is just your excuse.i think almost every human has a field they want to work in.we shold advance to the new era where work is not a burden where u have work aginst your will to please ur boss to get a raise.work shouldnt be a mere reoson for earning money.rather by working we should feel that we are contributing to the society and living a meaningfull and enjoyable life for myself and the society.humans cant lay on a bed and pass their life.

..? We do work based off our needs and interests.

I don’t share his optimistic view of human nature. Most are looking forward to having robots to do all the work so they can stultify themselves further whilst playing in a simulation. Don’t underestimate a strong propensity for laziness. The best chance at getting them engaged, happy, and productive is to create a system that builds on their internal motivation and rewards their achievements. But you need to have a overarching system that identifies and cultivates natural talent, creates appropriate job opportunities, and rewards the individual in other ways, too, not just throwing them a banana whilst waving the stick. There’s absolutely nothing more productive than telling a creative person that they MUST create something according to your criteria and to suit your agenda. Good luck with that.

Pardon the irony, but, I will control the way in which you control your own work.

Source?

@sgt.smirnoff904

7 жыл бұрын

It's self evident.

@Orf

7 жыл бұрын

Source of the recording! ;) Do you know?

@nicholascroixet8089

3 жыл бұрын

It’s self evident.

@akmil807

2 жыл бұрын

@@nicholascroixet8089 Most of the time these videos are cut 9ut of longer interviews, so I think he was asking for that source. Doesn't really matter though, since 5 years have passed since this guy commented

@Al-himathy

2 жыл бұрын

@@sgt.smirnoff904 🤣😂😂

People have all the power in their own hands. Most just don't realize it. It's a game that we are playing in this world: Companies think they can control their workers, and the only reason it works, is because workers participate in this role-play and freely accept this fake story. It's not real, nothing of it is real. But most people will never wake up to that realization. Waking up from it requires a great amount of intelligence that most people just will never have. Most people will remain the little robots, the minions, they were always destined to be. Just the life of an ordinary cockroach.

Funny how The Enlightenment was snuffed out.

Surely as an undergrad tutor or graduate student, Chomsky would have worked under someones control? Mark this essay etc..

@pneron2032

5 жыл бұрын

Working under direction is a great way of learning. What economy can made up of lone wolf creative recluses will thrive?

@michaelsmith8665

3 жыл бұрын

@@pneron2032 Your ignorance is really showing. The Spanish revolution was not carried out by "lone wolf creative recluses." Follow your own advice and learn some history.

@reuben7548

7 ай бұрын

@@michaelsmith8665 how did his comment refer to the Spanish Revolution?

@michaelsmith8665

7 ай бұрын

The Spanish Revolution is probably the largest scale example in history of workers controlling their own work, and Chomsky has written at length about it. Covering about a third of Spain at the time (1936), workers in this revolution vastly out-produced the rest of Spain . . . they were NOT intellectuals or "lone wolves" . . . they were ordinary workers, many illiterate, who worked together . . .@@reuben7548

landlord wage slavery... noam chomsky

Chomsky is a hard working intellectual, probably with a photographic memory, and I appreciate his stance on most topics, but, on this one, I sense a subtle distortion creep in.. Why would one despise another for doing good work just because it's under command, if the commander is benevolent? I would pity those who do a poor job on their own accord. The competition in the marketplace is how we are cooperating for the common good. What is missing is only inner freedom from cravings, addictions, poor, obsolete habits..

@soluyll8915

6 жыл бұрын

Bulent Basaran You admire their work (their results) but you despise what their motivation (or lack) for achieving those results were, which chomsky says is slavery. Ex. Think of your favorite shirt, you love the product (the results of labor) but do not admire why the weaver made it (likely an exploited who has to work or die). -That's more or less what he means.

@edwardjones2202

5 жыл бұрын

I think its supposed to describe doing something you don't like but has some value. You're a slave even if the produce is good.

@conors4430

5 жыл бұрын

Bulent Basaran Who says the master is benevolent?

@pneron2032

5 жыл бұрын

@@soluyll8915 Why should I admire the weaver of the shirt? If I buy a watch made by some rich Swiss man by-hand I admire the watch: I don't send the watchmaker endless love letters.

@koendove7777

4 жыл бұрын

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The Breeder of the Heavens and the Earth Has an example He would have a child and did not have a companion ۖ And He created all things and He created all things ُ And He was above all: What is good for both of them? He did not have a female companion (his wife), and He created everything and He knew everything.

Working for wages is not being free? What do you propose, Mr Chomsky? Go back to subsistent farming? No more division of labour? Barter economy?

@BollocksUtwat

7 жыл бұрын

Well you could look up what he has to say about alternative forms of economic organization. His personal views are Anarcho Syndicalist. The idea that people need to be enslaved through inequality to be productive is utterly untrue and not demonstrated whatsoever in anything in reality. Whats more this assumption that to dismantle our current coercive unequal structures would necessitate moving to pre-industrial society is ridiculous. Most socialist thought, that isn't hyper individualist and primitivist anyway, foresees socialism only being truly effective through a post industrial economy where technology alleviates many of the things that in the past necessitated slavery if you wanted large scale interdependent society. Labour saving machinery means you can build a pyramid without having slaves or masses of labourers. You don't need 10 000 people who don't really want to haul rocks all day. Modern information technology also provides massive opportunity for self management and cooperative democratic decision making. No longer must we be personally present in everything we involve ourselves in and its much easier to share information, share decisions, and track the result. If anything the more modern our world gets the less there is to be doubtful of the possibility of directly democratic self management. Considering how much independent investors and shareholders and managers can do with technology there's no reason it cant be extended to how self managed workers could function, the only reason we couldn't is if we don't want them to self manage so we don't use it that way, except there are businesses that basically do use tech to let workers self manage productivity that once required dozens of people. That's been a hall mark of some of the younger hip millennial businesses. Even within capitalism we're seeing technology drive some kind of self management culture, however narrow it may be. Everyone who runs their own business though with few if any employees is demonstrating how an anarchist society could function with existing technology, which doesn't even begin to address the point that solutions to anarchist problems would be their own line of technological development and creation, the way capitalist business _solutions_ is its own enormous enterprise.

@anti-skub2164

7 жыл бұрын

if only he wrote over a hundred books, we would know what he proposes as an alternative. if only. But sure, trading chickens for yarn.

@firstnamelastname796

7 жыл бұрын

Not sure if serious or ironic, Jason. I will go with ironic.

@firstnamelastname796

7 жыл бұрын

You have a very appropriate name, Bollocks. Because what has never been demonstrated in reality is anarchy. The only place in today's world that approximates anarchy is Somalia, wanna go live there? Why not?

@BollocksUtwat

7 жыл бұрын

*Because what has never been demonstrated in reality is anarchy.* Do you even know what it is? I think not as your lone example is the exact opposite.