I'm with you on the yoke. I'd also prefer a stalk for the turn signal.

@trevortremaine8468

Жыл бұрын

2 stalks: one for the turn signal, one for gear selection. The touch screen doesn't always take the "swipe" which gets to be a hassle during parallel parking or 3 point turns. Lastly, why can't they get the damned horn under the airbag?

@automatix5

Жыл бұрын

@@trevortremaine8468 I guess, a mechanical switch for the horn was too expensive

@markeaton6734

Жыл бұрын

Stalk for the indicator is the main issue. Sure America might not have many roundabouts but where you do, the indicator on the wheel is the dumbest idea ever because when you have to indicate off the roundabout you have no idea where the stupid button is because the wheel is turned

@stuff5109

Жыл бұрын

​@@markeaton6734 In many parts of America turn signals are optional. It's every man, woman, donkey for themselves.

@curtisbme

Жыл бұрын

@@stuff5109 Believe that is primary because BMW's don't come with turn signals enabled.

I 100% agree. Daily driver cars are meant to have round steering wheels. Yoke should have been a free option with round being the default option the cars come with.

@Seitenwerk

Жыл бұрын

Problem is more that Teslas implementation is bad and incorrect. Real yoke steering wheels are implemented in a way that you do not have to make full or even big steering turns. You should be able to keep both hands on it even on full turns.

@SplashBucketz

Жыл бұрын

@@Seitenwerk like how lexus implemented theirs

@colinmacdonald5169

Жыл бұрын

the 2023 model year allows a free option now i believe

Steering wheel snob here as well. Drove my friend's Model 3 with a yoke for a week and just could not get used to it and one time smacked me in the back of the hand when I went to take over as it was about to hit a curb. I tried really hard to find an advantage to having a rectangle steering input device but just couldn't...

@Cornelius87

Жыл бұрын

That's exactly all it is. A damn rectangle.

When that Yoke came out, people fought me on how great it was. Nice to know I was right about it.

The bass track in this video will shake your house off the foundation. 😁❤️

@mikehedrick6544

Жыл бұрын

Yes, the audio when Kyle is in a vehicle is terrible. It can’t get much worse.

I agree with you. Nothing like rest your hand on the top of a round steering wheel

@InSaN3ViSioN

Жыл бұрын

Lol people that dont know how to drive rest their hands on top. Proper drivers use Yokes

I would comment that vw solved the visibility issue with the ID cars, they just put the instrument gauge on the steering column. This seems a minor thing, but for me who almost never sees the instrument gauge in a car due to the steering wheel, I’m so happy with my ID.4 steering wheel.

@ganymede3141

Жыл бұрын

My 2011 Infiniti G37 also has this. The entire gauge cluster moves with the wheel. It's quite spectacular, so gauge visibility was never a problem, so I totally get how helful that feature is. 👍

@tyranelewis7763

Жыл бұрын

or better yet install heads up display to show on windshield

@ganymede3141

Жыл бұрын

@@tyranelewis7763 Bingo. You would think Tesla, supposedly on the bleeding edge of tech, would have a HUD, especially when cars costing a fraction of a Tesla have them.

Whenever I saw a yoke wheel I look down for rudder pedals....

@baldbikeboy

Жыл бұрын

Have you owned one and driven with it? If not…

@mattephoto6850

Жыл бұрын

​@@baldbikeboy I tried a Plaid with the joke Wheel for two weeks. It was the worst shit I've ever tried. Futuristic? It looks and feels super ridiculous. There is no situation, half a steering wheel is an advantage. On a round steering wheel, you have unlimited possibilities wherever you hold your hand. Lexus has come up with a similar one, but it has variable gear ratio, which is likely to work better. The Joke steering wheel also has lousy quality, the car I drove had not gone far, yet the paint had started to come off on it. Absolutely the most ridiculous and pointless the steering wheel in history. And the fact that it wasn't even possible to choose from the beginning is genuinely stupid.the steering wheel in history. And the fact that it wasn't even possible to choose from the beginning is genuinely stupid.

@baldbikeboy

Жыл бұрын

@@mattephoto6850 To each his own. I drove my Model S LR for ten months, and loved the yoke. However, I wanted stalks and a more maneuverable car, so I now drive a Model Y. Two weeks seems like a weak commitment.

@robertcaglia3880

Жыл бұрын

Hahahah me too!!! I try to pull up and it just won’t take off either. It’s fast but a yoke belongs to a plane

It should have offered a stalk for turn indicators and wipers with the wheel option it’s a half right half wrong still, what worries me is this may filter downwards to 3 and y for more daft. Cost cutting , I still say it’s a safety risk having to dive into a menu than be a functional control

@mluu510

10 ай бұрын

tesla is about optimizing and keep options to a minimal. what you want now means there is will be 4 options to steer the car. that's ridiculous

And yet most of the preproduction cybertrucks I've seen so far had the yoke.....nothing I hate worse than a solution in search of a problem.

@InSaN3ViSioN

Жыл бұрын

Yoke is the best

@Danin4985

Жыл бұрын

@@InSaN3ViSioN Yoke is best at being a joke.

Great to see this retrofit. Stalks next. You're so right, the wheel is the main thing you interact with and it's key to the feel. L322 was a belter. Remember testing those in CO 22 years ago today! Long way from a rainy UK.

Choice is a wonderful thing! Stalks as a choice would be great.

You made a good decision here. The yoke to me is just stupid unless you are running the 1/4 mile.

@OMGWTFLOLSMH

11 ай бұрын

Yokes are for planes and race cars. You need to be able to turn lock to lock in just a few degrees either direction. Once the yoke needs to be turned past about 45º, forget it, it's a hazard.

I'm glad you were able to get the round wheel, now @Tesla needs to bring back the stalks!!🤞

Keeping my Yoke, I love it.

Just had Tesla mobile service swap my yoke for a round wheel. I put a year and a half and 12,000 miles on the MS Plaid with yoke. I don't do track, and got used to the yoke pretty much. However, I missed the round wheel of my prior MS and also my current Model Y Performance. I like having the ability to have my hands smoothly move with the round wheel on turns, etc. I'm happy! Kept the yoke as a wall ornament.

The yoke is something nobody asked for, but yet Tesla will remove basic things like parking sensors.

She was my mobile tech for a fix that I had. She was awesome and quick at what she had to do.

@BadTomzi

Жыл бұрын

Were you also able to keep your old yoke?

@VinSpacker

9 ай бұрын

@@BadTomzi If you pay for the round wheel, and it's not a warranty replacement, then you get to keep the old yoke without the airbag.

Excellent video! Love that Tesla offers this after people voice their opinions!

@davidbaker9943

Жыл бұрын

For $700 extra dollars on top of the price of the car.

@marycarrizo2174

Жыл бұрын

@@davidbaker9943 which wouldnt matter since your payying 80,000+ for the car which would barely make a difference.

having mine done Monday.. have my fingers crossed

As you say, you need to do what works for you. Glad this has made such a positive difference for you.

I hope you make more Tesla Content, I love your Tesla Road Trips since that's how I found you. I am looking forward to getting a Model S at the end of the year.

Get mine Friday. Cannot wait!

HATED the yoke. Have an aftermarket carbon fiber/Napa leather wheel using the yoke panel and it’s AWESOME

The close up is what gets me after switching it out.

My yoke will be replaced next week, I will firstly be happy I no longer need to look at the rubber peeling problem. I had my yoke replaced before and didn’t mind it, but looking forward to the leather and round wheel for daily driving.

Quick tip - if you wrap your right hand around the right side, where the horn is, and squeeze - you will honk the horn. You can do it quickly and eliminates the need to look for the horn button when you need it.

Jasmine fixed steering wheel controls on my Model X the other day and she was awesome to speak to and she got it done fast!

The review I was waiting for.

Now that's a proper update!

Mobile service is the best. I had a side windiw replaced by them and we were also nerding out about cars for 30 min. Where I live they come in a Model S. In regards of yoke or not, I think what would be more annoying to me than the yoke itself are the blinkers and horn as buttons on the wheel/yoke. But still I'd prefer the wheel, but with stalks pls

Einstein quote "Make things as simple as possible but no simpler". Seems like round wheel and stalks works well and no good reason to switch. At least there is a wheel option now.

I’m keeping my yoke on my Plaid, but I’m glad they are giving people the option.

@Aizman87

Жыл бұрын

😅

I got my Plaid in March of Last year and lived with the Yoke for about 4 months. In July of so, I installed a Hansshow Napa leather round wheel. Every steering wheel should be made of real leather. It felt amazing in my hands. Because it was round and heavy, I was able to drive much more smoothly through parking lots and in tight turns. Then when I was alone on the road and could drive in a spirited way, I finally felt like I was driving a real performance car. I honestly can't say anything positive about that yoke accept that it didn't suck as bat as I thought it would, and it did make the care feel special and futuristic. The horn button really sucks. I have a dent in my front bumper that most likely would have been there if I could have blew the horn fast enough before some bozo backed into me in a drive-thru. It took 3 or 4 months, but now I actually prefer the turn signal buttons over the stalk. I have a new Plaid on order, and I hope the wheel will feel good. I really don't want to risk messing it up by having it recovered in leather.

The motorvibration comes from the "extra-heating" when the car is cold. 3,5KW from each motor. Magnets are monted in a different way compared to the way they are in other EV's.

I love how the yoke looks but had to switch as my daughters also use the car.

Congrats on the wheel buddy! Though I didn't hate the Yoke either, I think it does take away a little from the driving experience. There is just something inherently satisfying about working a round steering wheel. Can't wait to test the Model S with a round wheel now. I think you're initial impression about the seating height is correct. I am 5'10 and in most cars I can set the seat quite low and still have an inch of two left before I hit the bottom - like in my Porsche Taycan. But in the Model S I set the seat all the way down and still feel I am sitting a little high. So you at 6'1 I imagine are seating quite high.

@InSaN3ViSioN

Жыл бұрын

No there isn't. Boomers love swiveling their hands around a round wheel and that's about it. Yoke trains you to hold the wheel properly and is visually better looking.

@tommybahamax

Жыл бұрын

@@InSaN3ViSioN i agree, it does "look" way better

I'm glad Tesla actually listened to their customers to offer this. So many of these new tech companies do the whole Apple thing and just say this is how we're doing it, get used to it or buy something else.

The only reason to have a yolk, or that would make it better is if it was steer by wire

@mattephoto6850

Жыл бұрын

Which Lexus has on its new yoke, with variable gear ratio

@Hans-gb4mv

Жыл бұрын

@@mattephoto6850 it's not a gear ratio, technically that's an infinite amount of ratios that you have. The point of "by wire" is to remove the physical connection between controller and actor.

That camera view from your front camera makes the steering wheel look huge.

Good for you! Those kits are now sold out. Obviously many drivers prefer a wheel. I always thought the yoke was a poor decision: slick and sporty looking, but does nothing to actually improve steering. Of course, after decades behind the wheel, perhaps I'm too conditioned to traditional steering. Indeed, I see NO real reason to have done aways with the stalks either. I do NOT like the idea of those buttons.

I don't think the yoke is better, but for sure it adds some character to the car and makes it a little bit more fresh to see.

Finally somebody beeing honest instead of desperately trying to sugarcoat this stupidity!

I traded my Model X 2020 for a Model X 2022 just for the yoke......I love it and can't imagine driving without it.

Yokes are for aircraft or any transportation method that requires steering with a limited range of motion. Fine as long as the driver does not cross arms at end of rotational travel. Wheels are for mechanical advantage requirements where multiple orbits may be needed to produce required effort in the steering gear. Like a farm tractor.

@mikehedrick6544

Жыл бұрын

You are stating the obvious for some of us. 👍

@drive-channel1834

4 күн бұрын

I prefer to think of my Model 3 as a farm tractor. It's kinda similar to a farm tractor. 4 wheels, no wings, operate on the ground, not in the sky. I love steering wheel.

I've had X with Yoke for two weeks and I'm ready to get the wheel. I don't hate the yoke I'm just not seeing the upside "other than" the view of the center dials. I feel like there is a lack of control with the car with the yoke and since the X is larger than Y or 3 I really feel like the wheel will make it a better overall drive.

@Anthony__420

5 ай бұрын

Did you sell the yoke? I too have the new Model X and was toying around with running with the yoke for awhile

The yoke works great if they steer by wire

@ObserverDingue

Жыл бұрын

That's the conclusion of Thomas in Autogefühl's new Lexus RZ review, though he remains neutral on the preference at least it's a yoke steering system that actually works: "This Lexus EV destroys the Tesla Yoke! 😮 Lexus RZ 450e driving REVIEW" youtu(.)be/y-ocjeOFPCk

yokeless in colorado kyle & out of spec is my #1 auto channel 🙂

I agree with everything you say

So pedestrian. Love the yoke!

@ganymede3141

Жыл бұрын

May look more 'boring', but it's 100x more practical and useful than the spinning wrist-breaker rectangle of death. Drove both and there's no comparison. There's a reason cars have had round steering wheels for over a century. Because they work the best. Other steering methods have been tried before many times, even a joystick, but ultimately, the steering wheel wins out every time because it's the most ergonomic, intuitive and practical. The yoke is just change for the sake of change and a weak attempt to be different. Owners who have a Tesla with a yoke hate it so much that as soon as Tesla started to offer the round wheel retrofit, it immediately sold out in their online store. That should tell you something.

I would have preferred to see the Model 3 wheel and stalks. That’s the setup I would want, if I’d upgrade to a newer model S. But I could not find a link to the segment you referenced in your description

Great vid. Thanks for the info. I want to mount my phone on the upper left of the main center screen. With a yoke it seems like there would be plenty of visibility to see the phone. Would the round steering wheel block the phone in that position?

I switched to the Yoke in my MYP because I have the Hansshow touch screen display, and yes you can see the screen OK through the stock wheel, but touching it to actually make use of the touch screen is a pain in the butt with the stock wheel in the way.

Thank god. Everyone that signed off on the old yoke design + steering ratio should feel bad about what they did.

yoke is cool only if dont need to turn it more that 180 degrees. But then you will need steer by wire or variable ratio gearbox attached to it.

Kyle, you should get a drive in the new Lexus RZ450e to see how a yoke should be implemented. Simply replacing a steering wheel with yoke is not the way to do it.

I use voice command frequently. “Play Steely Dan” 😂

You'll need indicator stalks

So, my question is when will Tesla retrofit the stalks into the package? For the cost of the round wheel, I wouldn't proceed unless they gave me back the base functionality with it: turn signals, gear selector and horn. For all of this, I would consider coughing up the dough, but not just for the wheel.

@OMGWTFLOLSMH

11 ай бұрын

Plus they swiped his airbag. That was his, not theirs. Can't believe she took it. What if he wants to go back to the yoke?

I kept looking at the Land Cruiser 😂

The yoke seems like a solution looking for a problem.

The rumbling noise in the morning is most likely just your tires. Drag Radials and Summer tires don't have silica and they get hard flat spots when parked for a while. Colder it is the worse it is. Driving them for a few miles will round them back out. Also, it doesn't help that the Model S is a bit heavy.

About the airbag, I think why they left it to you, but in the center of the new wheel :) If you look at your video at 15:24 you can see there is no airbag in the new one that is still wrapped... Probably similar to the aftermarket steering wheel for Model 3 and Y where you transfer the airbag from the old one to the new one.

@Hans-gb4mv

Жыл бұрын

The wheel comes without the airbag installed, otherwise the tech would have to remove it again, on site, to install the wheel. Much easier, safer and faster to not pre-install it.

How's the retrofit? Any comparison between the Tesla version and the Hansshow version?

I do agree I don't think the yoke is much a safety hazard, I do think that there not being stalks for turning signals is though. I think it just encourages people to use them less as now it takes more effort to find and hit them where with stalks you hit is with a single flick. Personally just don't like the yoke though as on longer drives I like to move my hands around to keep my wrists and arms from getting stiff. Plus in city driving I tend to put my right hand on top of the wheel (around 2:00) just before turns to stagger them. That's not really possible with it. I know it's technically a less safe technique, but I find it more comfortable.

@VacationWise

Жыл бұрын

Once you get used to the buttons it is the exact opposite. Slightly moving a thumb is much faster and easier than a stalk, although it definitely takes a while to get used to it.

Hey Kyle. Just picked up a model X long range in ultra red. Wonder if the new Model 3 wheels can be retrofitted to the S and X. The horn placement is bothersome. I can live with the signal lights although I think the left signal should remain on left side but the right should have been placed on the right side of wheel

Hopefully the team at Aptera is watching this.

I’ve driven a model S LR with the yoke since Dec 2021 and my greatest problem is the horrible horn button. I expected a NHTSA recall to move horn button to the center where it belongs. Road trips on the highway is where the yoke is great. But, it’s poor for parking and other frequent turns. It does make the car look futuristic. But, within a year or two, I will sell this EV and wonder if there’s better resale value with round wheel.

@kimolee502

9 ай бұрын

I ride a motorcycle too, so a horn and turn signal buttons are natural for me. No big deal. You just get used to it. NHSTA hasn't recalled any motorcycles yet. 😀

Am I correct that the last video that Jordan did w/ Out of Spec was when he crashed the Plaid?

I don't see the Model 3 wheel video you said you'd link in the details. Did I miss it?

My question is why do you have to pay extra for a “normal” wheel which works well on cars from day one? Yoke makes sense if it’s steer by wire.

I think we all felt the satisfaction of your switch! I would do the same. :)

Yoke or not, I think Tesla should restoring the center horn button! it's way more important.

You can tell when an old thinking person owned the car. Round steering wheels were for cars before power steering you know drives like a tank. Electric assist with three quarter turn lock to lock no upper wheel blocking view of dash is the way anyone who has never driven a car would pick. The good news is the market for the yoke wheel as young people buying used Tesla and wanting to upgrade from the old fogey version also remove dice from mirror and foxtail from antenna.

Tell us more about restoring the stalks, please. When the wheel was not an option on the Model S, that was the deal breaker. I'd rather have the stalks, as the turn signal buttons are illogical. And not having the horn in the center of the wheel is still a deal breaker. I am not sure if the S3XY buttons will actuate the horn, If so, that would be an acceptable workaround, even with a slight safety issue if the airbag actuates. And what is the stutter on the horn? You can no longer give a good long satisfying UP YOURS horn honk? Last, wave hello at the folks at Poudre River Hospital. That's where I got my first stent after my Life Flight ride in the snow from Laramie. Great place to be when it's not snowing!

is the steering wheel as wide as the yoke or smaller? I am wishing it is the size of the Y or 3 wheel

For those of us who drive with hands at 4 and 8 instead of 2 and 10 might like the yoke

how much is the change? thinking about a test drive unit with a discount but comes with a yoke, if changing it is worth it, could be a good way to save good money!

THIS IS GREAT NEWS!!!! I knew they had to someday give this option. This was my only gripe about not purchasing the Model S. I really hated the Yoke Steering and how it performed!!! The button turn signals is probably something I will have to deal with. Tesla should of kept sh*t the way it is.

Does the new S still have the “rumble” that past owners complain about?

our old car [Vauxhall Astra 2015] steering wheel blocked the top of gauges for my seating position

My Model X Plaid makes that same vibration/noise during the first mile. I thought it was a pump running. Not a fan of the yoke either.

Will the new steering wheel come with a horn in the center like a regular car does? Or it is still the same press a small button at the worst position possible thing?

Now stalks and it can finally work anywhere for me again

Did you get to keep the yoke though? That would be the only way I'd do this, if I could keep it and swap it out later. Doesn't seem like its difficult to do.

Definitely prefer that steering wheel over the non intuitive yoke 😮

I’d love to install your yoke on my model s and remove my round wheel. Be cool to install the yoke from Out of Spec. Please advise

I love my wheel retrofit. The yoke will never be my input of choice.

Tesla should allow reconfiguration/rearrange of the capacitative buttons.

Hey, I’m leasing my model S. Can I still get the wheel retrofit or I need to keep the yoke because I have to return the car to Tesla in 3 years?

You did the right thing it's just more natural

That’s great that you got the round steering wheel. I’m looking to do the same. I know you’re not gonna respond to this, but do you feel like this is going to make you keep the car longer?

@Nickbaldeagle02

10 ай бұрын

I'll respond. I imagine so, yes.

If they put a round wheel, stalks, and a center horn I would definitely consider a Plaid. Can't live with those annoying turn signal buttons!

@OMGWTFLOLSMH

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, same. Musk has eliminated a significant number of buyers due to this silly and unsafe design.

@Nickbaldeagle02

10 ай бұрын

That's nothing. Here in lil' ol' England Elon is only selling left hand drive Plaids and we drive on the left here (the correct side I might add). He's really harming sales.

You could mount the yoke over on the passenger side of the car. 🙂

I recently purchased a 2021 S Plaid with the full wheel already installed. I haven't been able to get the cruise control to work. Is there a way? There is no stalk.

You drive more miles in a year than I do in 5 years. It’s impressive..

@xeon2k8

Жыл бұрын

10k miles in 5 years is really in the low end of usage

Hey man, is your icon in the system changed from your icon to a rounded wheel icon?

I’m curious if she disconnected the 12 V battery before she took the airbag out?

Like! Still looks weird to me with the wheel, but maybe in time, it will be more normal. The yoke used to look weird to me, but now looks modern and fitting. We're sticking with our yoke for now. It's totally fine. But if the car had come with a wheel, we wouldn't have known better.

Let's be honest most people who like the yoke or put one in their model 3/Y are nerds who will never push the car hard or take it to the track... it reminds them of a video game that's why they like it, but real car people that actually like to drive prefer a normal round steering wheel.