I'm a surgical tech and yes, a D & C is NOT an abortion. Just clearing contents out of a woman's uterus. Usually remains of an already deceased baby/miscarriage. And sometimes, like you said, it has nothing to do with pregnancies; it could be anything that just needs to be removed that could be harmful to the woman. But it has NOTHING to do with voluntarily killing your healthy baby in the womb, NOTHING. These people are wicked liars. Just disgusting.

@educational1651

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. I know a couple of women that had to have them after giving birth due to retained placenta and haemorrhage. They were live babies.. Nothing to do with abortion.

@l.c.8798

Жыл бұрын

@@educational1651 exactly.

@brendasalem3069

Жыл бұрын

Your a surgical tech., then you should know a D & C can absolutely be an abortion and that is exactly what Jessa had. She states she had not miscarried but the fetus would not survive so she had a D & C before she gad a miscarriage because of her history of “hemorrhaging” not sure what she meant by that, any woman could hemorrhage severely during miscarriage. Fact is, abortion is healthcare, and the government and politicians have no business involved between a woman or anyone and their doctor.

Those of us who had a D&C due to miscarriage totally understand this.

My mom had a miscarriage when I was seven. She and dad were trying to make baby number three when she miscarried. It was a bad time for all of us, but mostly for mom. She was far along enough to where they had to perform a D&C on the dead baby and amniotic sac. My grandparents took me and my brother out for donuts while mom and dad were at the doctors. When we got home, mom was sitting on the couch in a blanket and it was clear that she was crying. She kept me and my brother home from school because she wanted to hold on to us. If she was depressed after, she didn't show it to us kids. She's a strong woman. Two years later, my little sister was born, but I still wonder about the baby we lost. This whole thing makes me furious because the media is deliberately being stupid. They know full well that D&Cs are used to remove dead babies from the womb. They’re going after Jessa because she’s a pro-life Christian. They think that they’re “owning” Christianity. Despicable. 😡

@khfan4life365

Жыл бұрын

@@NicholasJacobellis it wasn’t an abortion because the baby was already dead. In some stages of pregnancy, the dead baby won’t exit the womb and will have to be removed. If the dead baby isn’t removed, it could cause death in the mother.

Many perimenopausal women end up with D&C's for heavy bleeding. In no form or fashion were D&C's outlawed.

Miscarrying is so emotionally painful. I’ve never felt so empty. Having that sonogram and not hearing a heartbeat. Horrible feeling. Shame on those cruel people for being so nasty and evil to Jessa.

Thank you for speaking about this. I had my first miscarriage in October 2022. My heart breaks for Jessa and I'm appalled by these lies.

Well you cannot argue with ridiculous. That is not an abortion. I hope she does not let dumb statements bother her. How traumatic.

This is a new low for the media, regarding Jessa. Beyond awful and evil.

@BettyCha-qd7vd

Жыл бұрын

Why, because Jessa is a murderer?

@shawnclinton1829

Жыл бұрын

​@@BettyCha-qd7vd She literally lost her baby in a miscarriage.

@BettyCha-qd7vd

Жыл бұрын

@@shawnclinton1829 Yes, but to remove the dead baby, she had to have an abortion

I had a similar experience to Jessa (lost a baby at 14 weeks, a “missed miscarriage”, and had to have a d&c), and I have so much compassion for Jessa having to go through that experience and then on top of that grief being wrongly accused of TAKING the life of her child. She is definitely being attacked by evil right now and I will be praying for her and her family during this time 🙏🏻

@MsFlamingFlamer

Жыл бұрын

A miscarriage is also known as an abortion medically. “Spontaneous abortion” is a term for miscarriage

@xyz2813

Жыл бұрын

@@MsFlamingFlamer True, but "spontaneous abortions" are not something that pro-life activists are against. When we say "abortion" we're talking about the intentional taking of the life of a baby in the womb, not ectopic pregnancy, miscarriage or stillbirth.

@crystalsaiz5248

Жыл бұрын

​@@MsFlamingFlamer There is a huge difference between a spontaneous abortion- which is basically a billing term for a miscarriage and an abortion which is terminating a live pregnancy.

@MsFlamingFlamer

Жыл бұрын

@@crystalsaiz5248 it’s not a “billing term”, it’s a medical term.

My mother lost my older sibling at 14 weeks and had to have a D&C. I recently had a conversation with her and I told her people were conflating her situation with an abortion. She was horrified and asked if I thought she had an abortion. I assured her no but that there were activists trying to push that message. Imagine the emotional distress of accusing someone of doing something they stand against.

@raven1395

Жыл бұрын

Imagine the emotional, psysical and financial stress of needing to carry a pregnancy you dont want and cant handle to term based on some cruel laws based on one particular religious belief. What if the doctor turned around and said to you mother- sorry, laws have changed, we're not dure we can legally do a d and c anymore. Goodluck.

@rebeccaiwarere7202

Жыл бұрын

@raven1395 D&Cs that are not used to kill a baby are not illegal anywhere. And if any doctor claims that, they either are believing false propaganda or they don't know the law.

@rebeccaiwarere7202

Жыл бұрын

@@raven1395 it's like saying that taking care of a corpse is the same as killing a person yourself.

"Jezebel" What an appropriate name for that "news" outlet smh

My heart aches for her. I can't imagine experiencing that kind of loss, putting your story out there to help other hurting women, and then having to endure these VICIOUS attacks. Jessa, I'm lifting you and your family up in prayer! The Lord is faithful ❤️

@clownfishman6511

Жыл бұрын

I wonder if she can sue the media for slander 🤔

@judywright6889

Жыл бұрын

💜🙏💜✝️💜🙏💜 Prayer for God's loving Comfort and Care to surround this Sweet Family!!

@courtneyhowell812

Жыл бұрын

@@clownfishman6511 nope!

@clownfishman6511

Жыл бұрын

@@courtneyhowell812 why? What makes it different from Nick Sandman? I’m not making a point. I’m just curious

@jsmiles1991

Жыл бұрын

@@Tronjon4278 I think, with all due respect, that you are the uneducated one. You should actually watch this video to help you out with that. A D&C is not an abortion if a child has already died.

Jessa should sue.....not because she necessarillywants compensation but because this is SO BLATANTLY lies and manipulation. This is wrong on SO many levels.....if the media can say things like this without any consequences, they will continue getting worse and there will be more victims like Jessa and her family AND people who are misled. I pray for Jessa and her family. This story disgusts me. Thank you for bringing this story to light...

@lindsey4178

Жыл бұрын

@@tinathecarboholic I can understand the way they could get around being sued bc you are absolutely right.....but these claims were made knowing EXACTLY what they were implying. There is no dispute over an "abortion" of a child with no heartbeat, even if that is how it's described. The point they were making was BLATANTLY that she ended her pregnancy in a way that she says she is against...and she's not against removing a pregnancy that has ended too early. But I totally understand what you are saying about the word "abortion." It doesn't make sense to me though, why it would be used in a legal sense when talking about a procedure for a miscarriage....it just muddies the waters on an already hot dispute.

@daynabailen4331

Жыл бұрын

She would win too. They are deliberately being misleading.

I had an early miscarriage and I also had a stillborn daughter at 39 weeks along. I cannot tell you how much this enrages me. You're already going through some of the worst pain a mother can go through and rather than saying, "I'm so sorry for your loss, how can I help you?" they try to convince her that she actually had an abortion and call her a hypocrite and a liar. I would punch someone directly in the face if they said that to me.

@staceyallen7480

Жыл бұрын

I'm so incredibly sorry you and your daughter went through that 😥

@rhondapatterson1

Жыл бұрын

So sorry for your loss. 😢

@raven1395

Жыл бұрын

A miscarriage in a spontaneous abortion. As per the medical terms. I am sorry for her, but facts dont change based on your feelings.

@A_Pie323

Жыл бұрын

Are you actually trying to say there isn’t a difference between someone involuntarily losing their child, it happening naturally without being able to do anything about it or having any say, and someone purposely and voluntarily taking the life in their womb? Are you joking? You’re grasping at straws here idc what the medical terminology is, there’s a huge difference.

@rhondapatterson1

Жыл бұрын

Well, they can’t outlaw involuntary abortion because it is INVOLUNTARY! No choice in the matter. Decisive abortion is what is illegal. And a miscarriage is NOT an abortion no matter what you call it.

I really appreciate your passion & righteous anger regarding the people claiming she murdered her child! She needs to be defended not condemned. She suffered the loss of her baby. I can’t imagine the hurt & pain she is experiencing. Thank you Allie!

@angelaschaefer5883

Жыл бұрын

No she didn’t murder her child. Jessa was lucky to be able to have the procedure. Doctors that are in states where there are strict abortion laws. Are afraid to do this procedure. It saved Jessa’s life and she can be with her children. It saved my life too. Her baby like mine couldn’t be saved. No one should rush to judgment.

Thank you for speaking on this, Allie! 💜And you even talked with her; that is so nice!

@gloreeuhh-

Жыл бұрын

Yea but if we think about it- there’re proving God’s point - that abortion is murder since they’re saying miscarriages are the same as an abortion a.k.a the death of a baby!

God bless Jessa and her husband. Of course she did not have an abortion. Abortion is evil.

As a pro choice woman, a D&C after miscarriage should not be considered or toned as an voluntary abortion. This is cruel, and my heart hurts for Jessa. They are doing this for click baiting and bullying with their own agenda. Absolutely appalling.

If a pro-choicer acts obtuse and says the laws are too difficult to understand, just reassure them, and let them know that's why people like us should be in charge. ;)

Thank you for addressing this!!!!! This is such a horrible thing! I too had a pregnancy that was not viable. After many ultrasounds, doctors counsel, prayer, support from my church and pastor I opted to have a D&C. It was honestly one of the hardest things I've ever walked through. I too had a liberal friend friend through that in my face after I spoke about how I am pro life. So thank you for Jessa, myself, and all the other mamas who have been in this situation!! Sending love to all of you who know this ache.

@kristinstrickland1038

Жыл бұрын

When you say your pregnancy wasn't viable, does that mean the baby was going to die but was still alive? That's what it sounds like. Is that what you are saying? It sounds like Jessa had a miscarriage and the dead baby was removed.

@Kuttas23x

Жыл бұрын

You had an abortion, you Christians are hella hypocritical

@aldal490

Жыл бұрын

@@kristinstrickland1038 that's my question as well. Was Jessas baby alive or deceased when she had the D&C ?

A particular person who loves to hate everything about the Duggars incites her followers by playing semantics. Saying that on medical billing all of the D & C procedures are coded "abortion" against the many individual reasons for the procedure. If abortion is a technical terminology in that field, that's fine but the average person sees that word having a connotation only related to killing a baby. People are just being malicious and using the word as a weapon to incite.

I think Jessa is about to be a very wealthy woman, as she should sue every single person who lied about her. Evil knows no bounds with these people.

Jezebel is a great name for where that feminist works.

@mobiusraptor7

Жыл бұрын

Fr. I honestly don't know who's idea was it to name it that.

A magazine that calls itself Jezebel tells you everything you need to know about whose dide the staff is on. A miscarriage is a miscarriage is a miscarriage regardless of how the mother gets medical help. And the unwarranted attack on Jessa makes my blood boil. She is in enough pain and doesn't deserve this. I can't wait to see how they respond when Jesus calls them out for this.

@BettyCha-qd7vd

Жыл бұрын

A miscarriage that requires extraction of the fetus by the D&C method is called an abortion.

@bkh23859

Жыл бұрын

no one is attacking her. she is a fucking hypocrite

@BettyCha-qd7vd

Жыл бұрын

@@bkh23859 In some circles she would be called a murderer

It's just a blatant attack. They KNOW she had a miscarriage, they are just flat out attacking and LYING!!!

I just watched Jessa's video about her miscarriage. Seeing her cry over the loss of her baby hurt my heart. :o(

@courtneyhowell812

Жыл бұрын

It was a fetus that was still just a clump of cells. That probably looked like a blood clot from a period

@user-qx6ly1fm9s

Жыл бұрын

@@courtneyhowell812 You’re also just a clump of cells, just at a different developmental stage.

It’s so sick that people are doing this to Jessa. I wouldn’t wish what she’s going through on my worst enemy. I wouldn’t wish this happening on the worst person in the world.

I am praying for her and her family. I am praying that what Satan meant for harm will be turned into good.

This makes me so angry. I feel like they are being deliberately dumb. Do they not know the difference between killing a child and taking a dead child out of a womb. Let me spell it out: one procedure kills a child. The other does not. I really cannot with these people.

@iandick1364

Жыл бұрын

They are deliberately playing dumb. They don't know how to argue with you effectively so instead they force you to jump through hoops. There hope is that nobody in the culture of life will have the energy to communicate their ideas.

@cindaalmaraz1579

Жыл бұрын

Abortion is murder 100!!

@rebeccaiwarere7202

Жыл бұрын

@@iandick1364 💯

@arianeprice3176

Жыл бұрын

no but weren’t D&Cs being called abortions by Pence who was saying it needs to come to term even if it’s brain dead?

@rebeccaiwarere7202

Жыл бұрын

@@arianeprice3176 I tried to look that up but couldn't find it. I did find an article that talked about how d&c can be used for an abortion which makes sense. Either way, Jessa's baby was not alive and not even brain dead.

I was horrified to read spontaneous abortion after my d and c

This is a supernatural blindness we are dealing with here. Completely devoid of the Holy Spirit these people spreading these lies cannot see the satanic garbage they are spreading. Pray for them..

Sick and evil. Agents of the Enemy.

Prayers for Jessa and her family. That is the height of hatefulness to use the pain of a woman to advance their agenda. Plus based on lies!!

Tearing up for Jessa. The hollow feeling she describes is so accurate. My heart goes out to her and her family during this time. God bless them and may that sweet baby be in Gods hands.

I am constantly slap jaw the lack of common sense people have. I guess she was suppose to leave the decease child inside of her. Pro- choice folks think before you speak.

@bogartmotomoto8222

9 ай бұрын

Saur true. Common sense is no longer to them 🥹

Don't ever tone down against these Liars! As someone who has also had a miscarage (I thankfully did not have to have a D&C). This Enrages me! She is going through so much pain and loss. To have people accuse her of murdering her child simply because her body needed help to pass her dead child. Is sick and Demonic!

I had a missed miscarriage at 7 weeks, finding out at 11 weeks. I took misoprostol to expel everything. I also hemorrhaged a week later. Medically speaking, all miscarriages are abortions, but not all abortions are miscarriages, it’s not fair to apply the social definition of abortion, an elective procedure, onto someone who suffered the loss of a wanted baby. The media seems to have been wantonly vague about pointing out the MMC arhat she suffered.

That vile twists people are misinformed and ignorant. It's to keep the mother safe from infection and remove the already deceased child .

Leave the poor woman alone! It wasn't an abortion her baby died. Trolls, the lot of them 😢

Why would someone who wants their baby have an abortion? 🤔🙄

Allie, thank you so much for your willingness to speak truth so courageously. We lost our first baby at 14 weeks. I went in for a routine OB visit thinking everything was well, and the ultrasound showed our baby's heart was no longer beating. I tried to miscarry naturally for 2 weeks, but our sweet baby was still perfectly intact 2 weeks later. So we had to go with a D&C to prevent infection. This hits home hard and I can relate to so many of the things said. I appreciate you covering this so articulately and passionately. Jesse and family will be in my prayers. I cannot imagine going through the loss and grief and then having such egregious lies being said. Praying too for all those who have lost a baby, as the loss never truly leaves you. God is so merciful and compassionate in the midst of that pain though. Praise God for Christ!

I was 10 weeks and had the same thing happen ! I even got them to fo another scan a few days before the procedure to check again ! As I felt the same. And when I woke I was devastated and felt the emptiness smd whollow and loss afterwards. I think being accused that's an abortion is such an awful thing

Thank you so much for sharing this..She had a D&C done which was medically necessary after you miscarry...People are so mean..Jessa didnt do anything wrong

Many years ago my brother and his wife had a miscarriage and had to have a dnc. When he got the bill it listed the procedure as an abortion. The wording caused a second wave of grief. Alabama has since then redifined these procedures to their exact meanings and doctors bill them as such. People need to be educated before they protest. Even if the tools and procedures are the same…the intent is different. Jessa did not have an abortion. She did not kill her baby. I’m so sorry, Sewald family.

I wanted a girl too ... But God blessed me with 4 beautiful, amazing sons, whom I wouldn't change for all the daughters in the world. I'm literally disgusted hearing that Paris is keeping 20 male embryos in limbo because she wants a girl.... It's gross. 🤬💔 She doesn't deserve ANY children. She's too selfish to be a mother. Maybe she could donate those embryos to women who would love to have a son.

This just shows what heartless disgusting animals they are. Using someone's personal private pain in a devastating situation to make some ridiculous point when one has nothing to do with the other. Karma will come for them, swift and cruel.

Finally, as used by abortion advocates, the term “pro-choice” is both inaccurate and dishonest. In an abortion, at least three people are directly impacted: the mother, the father, and the child. The pro-choice argument is that only one is entitled to a choice. Additionally, it has never been a part of their agenda to protect any choice other than abortion. They don’t lobby for women to have the legal right to be prostitutes or use crack cocaine. Yet these laws, and thousands of others, deny women “the right to choose” just as much as laws preventing abortion would.

@emmib1388

Жыл бұрын

actually even more are affected --= grandparents, great grandparents, siblings, cousins, aunts, uncles, etc.

I cannot imagine carrying your baby that has passed for 3 weeks... my heart breaks for her on that account alone. Medical codes do not always accurately describe the procedure, and these idiots know full well the difference between an actual abortion and a D&C.

I’m worked up with you Allie!! (I had a missed miscarriage and had to get a D&C. It was a very heartbreaking experience for me. I would be absolutely livid and hurt if people accused me of an abortion. I just lost my baby. My baby died. Completely different.)

@montyollie

Жыл бұрын

having a D&C is not an accusation. Having an abortion is not an accusation. It's the actual medical term for the procedure. When I had a breast reduction, the medical term was mammoplasty or something like that. Doesn't matter if I like the word, that's what it was and it's not an accusation.

@brandi5326

Жыл бұрын

​@@montyollie You know you're playing word games and semantics. Why would you post this in response to this person? It comes across as callous and nothing more than a desire to win on a technicality. Yes they are both CALLED abortions, but one is a medical procedure intended to remove a dead baby and the surrounding tissue to protect the mom's health, and the other is an elective medical procedure to kill a living baby and then remove it because, "my body, my choice". Your push is hurtful at best. Deceitful at worst.

I think they don’t care about lying anymore. They care about having the craziest take on situations because it gets clicks. The more clicks, the more money they get paid regardless of whether the article holds any truth whatsoever. Responsible journalism is dead.

Thank you for speaking on this. My first pregnancy ended in miscarriage in the fifth week. The doctor coded it as a "spontaneous abortion". I remember calling my pastor's wife in tears asking if I had done anything wrong. Why would they call it that? You're already suffering enough. To have someone tell you that something that happened to you, that you have no control over, is an abortion is awful. I hope she is getting the support she needs during this time.

@Kwildcat13

Жыл бұрын

It’s stupid medical terminology .. you did nothing wrong

@angelaschaefer5883

Жыл бұрын

Sara, That is medical term. Nothing more you didn’t do anything wrong. Sending hugs too you.

@oursavior7155

Жыл бұрын

Sara, you're not the problem. Actually, "abort" means to terminate before completion, as in abort the mission, abort the moonshot, etc. However, the real reason it's called a "spontaneous abortion" instead of the perfectly good and understandable "miscarriage" is because it has 6 syllables instead of 3, and "they" adore the sound of "their" own voices. (You know I'm right, right?)

The name Jezebel says enough...how can anyone be so cruel as to compare the loss of an unborn baby to abortion / baby-killing !! Sad but this can only be done by people who do not value life....they had no option ....if they didn't do the prosedure she would have gotten septicimia and died....I could never have a baby but thankfully I also never had to go through the trauma of a miscarriage...Any woman who has ever gone through it mourns the loss of a child...I can just pray that God gives you peace ....thank you for sharing this ....may God and all of us have mercy with cruel and unkind people....

My first miscarriage was at 11 weeks, and it wasn't actually happening. I had a 3 year old and a 1 year old at the time, and the thought of bleeding out while I was at Walmart with two babies just gave me anxiety. After getting another ultrasound to make sure it wasn't going to be a live baby, I went with the D&C. I remember waking up and not knowing how I should feel. Even some christians are misinformed about a d&c, and it's really really sad!! I didn't choose to end a life.

I love your personality. you say exactly what I want to screammm!!! My heart goes out to Jessa and mothers who have gone through this. Thanks for all you do!!

I've had 6 miscarriages... None were my choice to kill my child. A d&c removes a nonliving baby. Or parts that your body didn't clear out during the process of miscarriage. It's a heartbreaking experience. An abortion is killing the living baby. It's disgusting to see people making claims to the contrary. 🤬

If you think you're "too young" and "not ready" to have a child, then MAYBE you shouldn't be having sex. Especially unprotected sex🤷‍♂️ And I know... That sounds sooo insane right?? How could I even have a thought like that much less say it out loud.

@renee-nw7ff

Жыл бұрын

Right? It’s as if teenagers are never known to make poor decisions. 🙄🙄

I read an article about this today. It's so disgusting how they are trying to twist this devastating story. God Bless you Jessa!!! I'm praying for you and your family.

@raven1395

Жыл бұрын

I fully agree! Jessas life, her reproductive choices are between her and her doctor. What happened with her and the d and c is no ones business! Just like any womans should be, whether they are religion or not.

@lindseybast2888

Жыл бұрын

@@raven1395 she didn't choose this. This was a horrible circumstance where the baby unfortunately passed away. She didn't intentionally kill her child, what some would call "reproductive rights" also known as murder.

@sdows

Жыл бұрын

​@@raven1395 exactly 💯

@raven1395

Жыл бұрын

@@lindseybast2888Well Lindsey, not all people believe that. Lots of early pregnancies end early in miscarriage. Others like Jessas have complications that are severe. What i really dont believe in is telling someone how to manage their pregnancy, their body or their life based on MY beliefs.

@lindseybast2888

Жыл бұрын

@@raven1395 Well Raven, sorry you don't believe the truth. There is a difference between a baby passing away naturally in the womb and a woman intentionally killing her child. And if you don't see that then you need to re-evaluate your beliefs because that is disgusting. Seek Jesus. God Bless you.

AHHHHH THE RIDICULOUSNESS OF THIS IS MINDBLOWING! But I guess it’s the same people who say men can have babies so I guess take it from where it’s coming from? 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

Man. I was about as far along at the same time. Nearing 20 weeks. It's a nerve wracking time period of pregnancy. My heart goes out to her.

My husband is a philosopher specializing in bioethics and beginning of Life issues. And he is working on changing the terminology from spontaneous abortion to intrauterine death.

@educational1651

Жыл бұрын

That’s a great idea that I’d support. The terminology makes no sense anyway when you define the words they are contradictory. “Spontaneous, deliberate ending of pregnancy” I mean.. What?!

I’m so sorry Jessa has had to go through these lies about her. As if the miscarriage wasn’t traumatic enough. And a DNC is not an abortion yes it can happen after an abortion and it happens after a miscarriage and it can happen if you’re not even pregnant. I have a D&C remove precancerous cells from my uterus and I’ve never been pregnant

My mother had a miscarriage at 7 months when I was 6. It hurt us all. But Jezebel speaks the language of her father. (John 8:44)

You can't fix stupid. If people won't educate themselves regarding miscarriage procedures and live baby abortion procedures by this time, they're beyond reasoning and just want to argue and be nasty.

I had a miscarriage and after a few days I had to have a dnc! My child would be 23 this July! I named the baby and I always wonder “what if?” And “ what would they be like today?!” My only biological child 😢

I had a miscarriage at 13 weeks gestation many years ago, was hemorrhaging and had to be taken to the the OR for a D&C. It’s so ridiculous for people to say that Jessa’s D&C is the same as an abortion and taking the life of a living fetus, or that my D&C was the same as an abortion. This is the ridiculousness of for the pro-choice side.

The only thing that upset me about anything you said was how you couldn't believe that Paris Hilton is "that old". I am 43. I am 43. I am older than "that old"🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I am only joking. But it was funny. And yeah I had children at 18 (pregnant at 17) and never thought of abortion. This is such a tragedy. Poor Jessa, very heartbreaking. Definitely praying for her.

@crystalrauh9206

Жыл бұрын

Lol, I’m 42, I felt that too! I am also “that old” But, my kids are 19 and 15, so I get it.

@rachelleh5237

Жыл бұрын

@@crystalrauh9206 I know right. Lol

@heathercarter5831

Жыл бұрын

And Paris has 20 embryos! Most people dealing with infertility don’t get that many viable embryos. I understand people turning to IVF for help when they have exhausted all options. But she is continuing to create these lives in the hopes for a girl. She’s not going to implant all of those babies. I have no words.

@crystalsaiz5248

Жыл бұрын

I'm 44 and had my last baby at 40. My others were at 18, 21, 23 and 32. I NEVER thought of having an abortion, never! At 16 I offered to raise my niece because my sister thought about having an abortion. It broke my heart and I'm thankful everyday that my niece is here.

This whole story really upsets me. Having a D&C after a miscarriage happens for many different reasons and it's not fair that she is being attacked like this. She's a wonderful mother and I am extremely sympathetic towards her, that's so hard.

Why would she tell her kids to go and have a abortion it doesn't make since!

I could never be a public personality. The public is not owed personal details of a persons life. Especially mothers, I truly feel like for their own protection, safety and well being they should really keep their family and motherhood close to their chest. If women need community and friendship in motherhood, they need to look in their communities. Not rely on women online to give them community. It’s just not worth it, this is such a horrible situation I cannot imagine how she must be feeling. She shouldn’t even bother defending herself, she doesn’t need to.

I got a bit of a different perspective on Jessa’s post… According to another YTuber, who is sympathetic to her pain, Jessa apparently knows just what it takes to make the most out of monetizing her channel. She has put her children, who are not old enough to give their consent, on social media. She has posted about a tragedy in her life, leaving herself wide open to the inevitable mini-media storm it would stir up She has soft music accompanying her sad news. (Why?) She has many ads before, during and after her post. If she had just reported her news without all the monetization tricks, I wouldn’t feel like she is trying to squeeze every dollar out of this deeply personal tragedy.

@GenXfrom75

Жыл бұрын

What?! Many people monetize their channels while also sharing important events in their lives. Many do not want to lose their ability to make money on their channels and are very careful about what they post and share. I'd venture to say that most channels with high subscriber counts are, in fact, making money.

@janishuey3639

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@@GenXfrom75 of course she monetizes her channel. Isn’t that why people are on KZread? And there is nothing wrong with that. Yet the points that the other KZreadr pointed out makes Jessa’s monetization “appear” a bit more calculated. It was the soft music that kinda did me in. That was unnecessary and manipulative, imo. I’m wary any time someone posts something that elicits outrage or strong emotions.

To Allie Beth and other that are outraged over this .......... Would you expect anything other than these people without Christ ?. Don't forget who those people serve .

Two things... the medical term for a D&C is abortion, sorry to say. The right might not like the term, but it's the medical term for the procedure. People who are anti abortion, need to find a new phrase (ie terminations of viable pregnancies or something like that) because the problem is that when you outlaw abortion, you outlaw procedures like this that are potentially life saving for the mother. If there was even a .0001% chance that fetus wasn't dead, the procedure would have terminated the pregnancy. Jessa is lucky she lived in a state that allowed her to have the procedure. We all knew that when Roe v Wade was outlawed, and those trigger laws took effect, women were going to die because of procedures like this that doctors were now forbidden to do. Secondly, it's not 'the left' that is saying this. It's the medical community. It's the medical term for the procedure.

@angelaschaefer5883

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Look that is medical term but if you have been raised in religious background. I grew up Catholic you are told life begins at conception. No and ifs or buts and abortion is term used. For deliberate termination of pregnancy. She already lost her baby. Now she thinks that she committed some horrible sin. Which she absolutely did not. With the overturning of Roe Vs Wade they have to be careful. With the words the use. Poor thing been through enough.

@AllieBethStuckey

Жыл бұрын

No, it’s actually not. People have D&Cs to remove things like polyps, too. They often have nothing to do with pregnancy. Is a D&C called an abortion when someone undergoes one without being pregnant? You don’t have to be ignorant! You can just read or simply watch this episode as this is specifically addressed.

Mother had a miscarriage when she was on vacation when she got back she saw her doctor and he called it a spontaneous abortion this was many years ago and my mother was not educated so she thought she was being accused of having an abortion she never got over it she was depressed even after they adopted me so maybe the medical wording needs to be changed but I will be praying cuz I know how much it hurts I'm a mother of six and I know how much a miscarriage or in my cases a tubal pregnancy causes It causes a whole lot of pain not to add all the criticism she's getting I can't imagine

@MeettheMorgans

Жыл бұрын

I’m so sorry for your mom’s loss & devastation with the drs wording. That’s heartbreaking. My dr also wrote spontaneous abortion for my miscarriages. They need to change the medical terms because an abortion is very different from a miscarriage. Someone who has had a miscarriage should never feel this way ever.

@noahhumbard724

Жыл бұрын

The fact it’s worded as abortion is fucking disgusting. Purposely ending a child’s life and Losing it through no fault of your own isn’t the same at all . People who don’t want children should take birth control get fixed or abstain from sex those are the choices . Anybody who wants to fucking complain about punishing woman for sex shut up . Already I just listed 2 alternatives to prevent kids without Abortions and without ruining your sex life . Be responsible Pro Murder crowd

The chokey! 😂 Roald Dahl still on the brain...

A D&C is not an abortion!! Poor Jessa, how heartbreaking. I used ivermectin when I got covid. It made a remarkable difference in my breathing and it would settle my cough as well. It would help my breathing about 15 min after taking it. I still have a supply in the house just in case.

Thank you for addressing this Allie and for being so passionate about it. This irritates me so much when they say this! Miscarriage care, and ectopic pregnancy care, are not abortions! The left/pro choice/pro abortion, whoever, do not understand that abortions (that is, induced) intentionally kill a baby in the womb before removal. Miscarriages and ectopic pregnancies have already resulted in a dead baby naturally (not intentionally), and the removal is necessary, but it’s not an induced abortion. They need to stop comparing them to make themselves feel better about saying abortion is okay. I even had someone tell me my treatment for my ectopic pregnancy was having an abortion. Like no, it’s not! And I’m not gonna sit here and listen to you tell me I had an abortion, when I in fact did not. Also, I had a conversation with a woman yesterday who was saying that induction of labor and c section is abortion. Like what?! That is not true. Sure, induction and c section are methods to remove an already dead baby produced by induced abortion, but inducing a live baby or removing a live baby through c section is not an abortion! That is birth! I do not understand the logic of these people. Another thing I might add…when Chrissy Teigen said she had a miscarriage no one questioned her or said she had an abortion. But then she actually came forward and did say that she in fact had an abortion. Again, no backlash, as far as I can remember…

@GenXfrom75

Жыл бұрын

They do, in fact, understand. But they don't care. 💔

@angelaschaefer5883

Жыл бұрын

I understand the difference. Having lost two of my own. You should never judge anyone. When you don’t know why their baby died. Compassion for others helps.

@oliviamathis1057

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@AundriaCooperPremoYT Yes and it’s so sad…

@oliviamathis1057

Жыл бұрын

@angelaschaefer5883 I’m sorry for both of your losses. I agree, it’s not okay to judge and we all need compassion.

@GenXfrom75

Жыл бұрын

@@angelaschaefer5883 I've had 6 miscarriages. Painful and heartbreaking. They love when prolife women suffer. 💔

Go get em Allie Beth. I'm right there with you!!

There is some evidence that women aren’t getting treatment because of these laws which is unacceptable. I think the laws need to be as clear as possible and that doctors and nurses are well aware of what they can do under the law so that women are not harmed.

@crystalrauh9206

Жыл бұрын

The laws are clear; it’s people with a pro abortion agenda that are purposely trying to make things confusing. Evil.

@samanthakwait8782

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@@crystalrauh9206I would hope doctors and nurses would want to do everything they can to remove a deceased baby from a woman, not purposely try to confuse the law. I think there needs to be legal courses in hospitals so these people know they can save lives, not be confused by the law.

@crystalrauh9206

Жыл бұрын

@@samanthakwait8782 The language is clear in the laws. The so called confusion, is the result of people with agendas. But again, the laws themselves are very clear.

@crystalrauh9206

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@@samanthakwait8782 just to be clear, I also hope doctors would not purposefully “not understand the laws” and put women’s lives at risk. That is awful.

@samanthakwait8782

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@@crystalrauh9206I’m sure of that but since theres now a grey area in doctors minds because of the loss of unfettered access to abortions, I think it would be best for facilities dealing with these matters to be 100% certain of what the law says.

I had a woman accuse me of an abortion after the miscarriage of our twins. I cannot explain how much pain this caused and how terrible it was and how evil that woman must be. It really ripped my reputation through the mud and led me into a terrible depression. Poor Jessa. May God use this hurt for His glory. These progressive women actually believe behind closed doors Christian woman agree with them. They could not be more wrong. Behind closed doors we talk about how we want murderers h@nged.

@jessejuarez8778

Жыл бұрын

You know that "evil women" was probably a pro-life Christian right? You are siding with the same people who treated you so badly. Those are not progressives yelling at women for medical procedures.

21:03 Incompetent doctors may be a theme ... Ireland had a law banning abortion (abortus provocatus). It was overturned in a referendum after a horror story about a woman who died after doctors refusing to take out the corpse of an already decomposing fetus. As Catholics mentioned, that was not done in respect of the law as it was worded ...

@hglundahl

Жыл бұрын

23:11 _"why would this be happening? If not for a malicious and political ...?"_ Let's recall, doctors in both Ireland prior to Thirty-sixth Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland and in the US after Dobbs, they are not just under the national authorities, but also under an international board, WHO, currently headed by an Ethiopian or Erythrean, but the former Director General before that ... Dr Margaret Chan _Dr Margaret Chan, from the People's Republic of China, obtained her medical degree from the University of Western Ontario in Canada. She joined the Hong Kong Department of Health in 1978, where her career in public health began._ _Dr Chan was elected to the post of Director-General on 9 November 2006. The Assembly appointed Dr Chan for a second five-year term at its sixty-fifth session in May 2012. Dr Chan's last term began on 1 July 2012 and ended on 30 June 2017._ The current one is ("Together for a healthier world") Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus

This is ENRAGING. I’ve never been pregnant but this is so outrageous. Not to mention… why are these publishers acting like she didn’t have to do this? Do they want this baby to just stay inside of her in this condition? Unreal.

Could anyone identify her obgyn? I know someone from near her (Rogers) who had to leave the state under the same circumstances. We need the names of the doctors who interpret the law the way hers did.

I hope the backlash on this, makes women have more tests and ultrasounds performed, to PROVE that the child was already deceased. I think that would be a very positive outcome in this kind of situation. It is VERY sad that she had to endure these kind of accusations, though!!!!!

At this point, Conspiracy Theories might as well be called Spoiler Alerts

@wiffleswithsyrup8256

Жыл бұрын

So, how's Elvis? I kid, I kid. 😆

Jessa: I'm so sorry about your miscarriage, I'm praying for you and your family!! Please, disregard these people who believe this, they're ignorant, may God bless them with truth, and knowledge! You're a beautiful soul, great mommy, daughter, sister, and friend! -keeba Sims, Alabama....

Why are people calling a D&E a D&C? I had to have this same procedure done when my baby died at 5 weeks and i was forced to carry my baby for another almost 2 months before they would surgically help. 2002

Poor Jessa 💔 People are so uneducated and hurtful.

Jessa has a lawsuit. I'd love to see the presstitutes go down!

I am curious would Paris Hilton think the surrogate for her baby had all rights and could have had an abortion at any time while she was pregnant with her baby or would the baby’s life suddenly be more important?

Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I am a Christian, but I truly feel medical conditions and treatments should be between a patient and a doctor, not legislature. There is a reason this country was founded with a separation between church and state. We are free to practice the religion of our choice and should be able to make decisions about our bodies. IMO, Jessa did nothing wrong. People can be so ugly in their criticism of others. I am very against forced birth. Legislators have not gone to medical school. Prayers for Jessa and her family.

I guess the state lawmakers need to say specifically that INDUCED ABORTION OF LIVING HUMANS is illegal in their state. Because evidently, just saying “abortion” allows them to jump on any medically necessary procedure that removes a baby who died of natural causes. Good grief. The heartlessness is immeasurable.

I am very glad that Jessa was afforded the opportunity to have a D&C. There have been women who were not since Roe versus Wade was overturned. The poor were woman in Texas almost died from Sepsis. The pregnancy was not viable. There was no amniotic fluid. I wish Jessa had spoken about this. She is pro life as am I; however, there must be changes made so that all women are afforded the opportunity to obtain a life saving procedure without doctors being fearful of being convicted of a felony.

“You’ll go in the chokey” 😂😂😂

My hope and prayers for Jessa is that God will be with her and her family during this trying time. And those who are bullying her will get there come uppance. I as mean as it sounds; I hope when something tragic happens to those individuals in their lives I hope somebody blames it on them too; I hope that they are ridiculed, bullied and mocked just like they do to other people. In my book people who behave like that don’t deserve sympathy. And I know it’s not Christian to say that. But I’m getting tired of grown adults who know better; just miss treat people because they think they can. I think they need a taste of their own medicine.

Good show as always Allie

Would you ever have Brett Cooper as a guest on your show.

Prayers going out for jessa and her family 🙏🏻💕💕 I’ve questioned my dc from miscarriage for 8 years it’s horrible. It’s a mind trick for sure what if I didn’t give it long enough even though I know deep down it was not developing and didn’t have a heartbeat my heart goes out to her and I’m crying now. Much love thanks for speaking out for her Allie

I’m a little older than Allie, and I remember when Paris was in her early twenties. Absolutely true, she had every resource in the world, no doubt. At that time she also had a career of her own starting up in the reality television world. That’s probably what she was worried about. Of course she could have had the baby.

The cruelness of the pro-choice crowd knows no bounds.

@courtneyhowell812

Жыл бұрын

The pro lifers are just as cruel

@angelaschaefer5883

Жыл бұрын

No I think every woman who needs compassion and kindness. When they lose baby I had to have an abortion to save my life. My husband and the doctor made the decision. It was heartbreaking one. Making women feel guilty when you don’t know their medical history. Is crummy thing to do. My sympathies to Jessa and her family.

Happy Tuesday 🙏🤍 🌧️