One thing this makes clear is how absurdly powerful the shop is, for this type of run. The shop levels up based on something - your worn/stashed gear levels, number of runs, achievements, etc.? All I know is a brand new player would only get grey/white/blue gear in the shop and also wouldn't be able to buy hardly any of it. Having access to a shop full of reds plus enough $$ to buy it jump-starts you pretty much straight to darkness 30 capable (also if you have the character signs unlocked). It's a great little challenge though, and a fun one to watch.

You could always do it like a series starting at Darkness 0 with no gear and with every win you can bump up 1 difficulty modifier of your choice(or something like a community vote on it), you keep the gear you found during the run/sell it if you don't need it, and limit it to saw 1 item you can purchase from the shop per win.

@gamingwithjeff

7 ай бұрын

I like the idea but maybe 3-5 darkness per run instead of 1

@cody180sx

7 ай бұрын

@gamingwithjeff Yeah, I was just throwing out ideas. I know some options bump up darkness levels way higher than others, that could make it to hard if you don't have good gear yet.

Add simplicity by banning purchases. That adds to the survival aspect. :)

Got this game because of you. And really enjoying learning from you. Happy new year

@gamingwithjeff

7 ай бұрын

Thanks dude, glad you're enjoying the content and the game!

haha *GREAT* idea!! lol *stock-run* thanks for that content was fun

Heyyy! Love your series and your streams, such a nice vibe, nice to see how you progress through each series, like being on the journey with you :) Also loving the new format, such a good idea, grats on winning your first run :D That being said, personally I prefer the long form vids without cuts, if I/people were too impatient for the whole thing we could skip ourselves or increase playback speed Alsoooo for the shop, maybe limit yourself to how much $$$ you actually made during the previous run(s) and work with the dynamic of keeping everything dropped so you can sell later Would say starting at a higher danger would be more fun to watch though, with your experience/skills in playing its like you're guaranteed to win at D0 (maybe even just D5 to add a bit of spice). Might help set up better items for the higher dangers too if you limit money/items Also try celestial wings sometime if you're auto attack based, its actually pretty good IMO, helps make the flow of battle feel a bit better, like gem high :D Anyway looking forward to seeing more in 2024, you're doing great :)

Yeah. Def enjoyed this and hope you do it with each character.

@gamingwithjeff

7 ай бұрын

Definitely plan on doing more runs like this. But it does take longer to make the video so it'll likely not be more than once a week, unless I stream a bunch of runs in a row

I love the thought of you talking to yourself for 30 min...I wish to see your face when you realize mwahahahahahah. Bad kitty

@gamingwithjeff

7 ай бұрын

I was not happy lol

Scavenger challenge is a good name possibility.

Oh... small tip: of you are looking for specific gods and are out of alteration dice... but have 3 banish dice... if you banish all 3 offers from a god it skips them and you can get another chance. I also wonder about: can previously bannished offers roll from alteration ritual? Aka: does banishing only remove it from the offer pool or from everything... this also would tell us weather the offer pool is the same pool that alteration ritual rolls off of. Final thought: if you banish everything from say.. lady justice except 1 thing... and take novice alteration ritual... does that mean when she lands for alteration ritual that your chances or receiving ... ah crap drawing a blank.... the one that ups all abilities by 1... starts with P i think lol... pair this with skadi's level up rune.. stack xp gain and then goto town.. going to try this later today haha.

Try this: 1. Start no gear, darkness 0. 2. Gear acquired during the run may be equipped, though only 1 piece per level-up. For example, if the Necromancer drops 3 pieces of gear, you'd have to level up 3 times to equip it all. 3. For every successful run, increase darkness difficulty by 8, 1 point starting at the top of the options and working your way down. You may not selectively choose which darkness buffs get applied, they must be applied in sequential order. After your next successful run, instead of starting at the top of the list, you start on the buff which has the least points currently applied to it. 4. The amount of gold you're allowed to spend before your next run is 500 + (300 x current darkness level) + (100 per unused item in your inventory)... You MUST sell those unused items... their actual value doesn't matter, it's always "100 x sold item." ... So let's say we're at darkness 8 and I sold 3 items to the vendor, I'm allowed to spend 3,200... Unique items are an exception, You don't need to sell them, you can put those in your stash BUT they don't count towards to gold you're allowed to spend. 5. Using some kind of random number generator (or maybe dice?) to determine your chosen character's bonfire buff before the start of your next run...Regardless of whether or not your run was successful, randomly select a bonfire buff before every run. 6. For every failed attempt, reduce the darkness level by 3, 1 point per buff, prioritizing whichever darkness buff has the most points in it. If multiple buffs have the same number of points, simply start by reducing whichever buff appears closes to the top of the list. With these rules, you can complete this challenge in 5 runs if you don't fail any of them.

@gamingwithjeff

7 ай бұрын

I like it but too many runs needed, I think. Also the gear per level part is more annoyance cause you'd just level up a couple more times right after anyway.

You could try no shop, and then do like 4 runs 0 10 20 and 30. having 10 and 20 to farm gear may be nice. My even wanna do nixi 1000% drops just to farm darkness 0 and make sure you can get enough good mythic stuff by 30 to win that one. Then it could be split into 2 videos, or something like this where you chop up the middle 2.

@gamingwithjeff

7 ай бұрын

I'm thinking I may have to start a d5 or something with how easy this run went. Definitely going to test more variations. likely on the next stream

fun build i had today, Merris with the candy cane(really anything would work) Shurikens + Blood lust + Force + Gem High + Warp Strike = GOD MODE to the extreme. its not even funny. i couldn't even get a monster before they would die. only the super fast ghosts and bosses would last more then a few seconds. you moved faster then you could dash it was so funny.

that was awesome

So, a new player speedrunning to D30 :D

@gamingwithjeff

7 ай бұрын

Kind of, the shop wouldn't be nearly as good, plus you wouldn't have the adept sign, or all the gods unlocked.

@sephi7ac

7 ай бұрын

@@gamingwithjeff Yeah, I typed that comment before I knew you were running the unlocked sign. So, slight differences; but I like the concept. It's like you're doing NG+ runs, but dropping your old gear.

interesting, but i dont want to break my 100 streak lol

@gamingwithjeff

7 ай бұрын

Understandable lol

I think no shop is valid or buying one item from the shop after each win

cool series

i think buying things is acceptable but it's up to you. hell you can take skills off to make it harder too.

@gamingwithjeff

7 ай бұрын

I think some type of limited shopping, either 1 piece or only grey items. Maybe Mayhem should be banned as well

@ajelicits3435

7 ай бұрын

i'd try it a few more times with the current set up and other characters to see how challenging it is. perhaps you got a luckier run this time which made it a little easier. If you keep crushing then yea you should probably make it more challenging. @@gamingwithjeff

i made another steam account and added myself to family libray sharing so i could have DMD, but since its a new account it doesnt have any progress so it allows me to start over without starting over really. not related but i hope theyre working on a money sink. they could go easy route and make a Halls of Torment route and just add a shrine to the hub area that you can buy permanent little buffs from the gods in the game, or they could do the hard route which is create a whole vender for set gear or something, and they would be really expensive.

high roller run - as many rerolls as you can equip

@Gorenghal

7 ай бұрын

the shadow realm - banish dice only

Don’t buy gear. The drops were no longer exciting after shop.

@gamingwithjeff

7 ай бұрын

I think I agree, or maybe only by simple quality gear

@treeorwh2

7 ай бұрын

@@gamingwithjeff Yes, whitems xD

Im working on a loot tracker plugin hehe. :)

at the end of a run it shows how much gold you earned. im at 3:09 when commenting

@gamingwithjeff

7 ай бұрын

Somehow never noticed, do you happen to know if it counts the gold shrines?

@sammyazmon

7 ай бұрын

@@gamingwithjeff i would assume so, but i have no way to check, try a run with low pick up and a run with high pick up to tell the difference as it seems you get more gold the higher the pick up is.

Title of this challenge could be No Gear Progression

@KirillT14

7 ай бұрын

More like gear reset

It tells you at the end of run, no?

@gamingwithjeff

7 ай бұрын

Not sure if it counts the gold shrines, I've never focused on it lol

Have you done a novice skills only darkness 30?

@gamingwithjeff

7 ай бұрын

No, but I don't know how you could do that, baseline you still have 10% adept chance and a slight chance for expert and master offers

@Excorium

7 ай бұрын

@@gamingwithjeff other than getting the one tree. But that likelyhood of that isn't high

no shops its too op thatd be my only input

@traxion9285

7 ай бұрын

actually thinking about it you can only fill spots for items you didnt find in the shop

@gamingwithjeff

7 ай бұрын

I'm leaning towards a gold limit or 1 item per shop

@traxion9285

7 ай бұрын

@@gamingwithjeff that sounds like a good idea as well

I honestly think buying items in the shop AFTER run 0 is completely fine, because a) you're still very much dependent on a good shop b) by the time you normally go from d0 to d15, you'll probably have a better gear setup anyway. It also serves as a great series for noobs, because they get to see the decision making and how you choose which stuff to pick up. As you've said it yourself, this has been a bit eye-opening in terms of difficulty scaling, and it makes me wonder how the devs balance the game and what they take into account the most, because the whole imbalance between the gods doesn't really seem to come into play all that much on 0 and seems better polished, at least until the boss fights (looking at you, Dracula). I think that the most problematic part both for d30 and overall balance - wise is a very highly bloated HP amount from bosses, because with them you're starting to play with entirely different numbers, and it feels like some spells aren't designed for those numbers, but for the numbers of thrash instead?

@gamingwithjeff

7 ай бұрын

It makes me thing balance was tested only on d0 internally. The devs commented within the first weekish of release that they intended d30 to be near impossible. Which, on release, was extremely challenging. Then due to massive community feedback saying it was too hard it got nerfed into the ground.

I think buying items in between is okay. Ideally I'd say only able to buy what you have made since the beginning of the "naked" runs. It would be nice if you could stash gold... so your character could just hold a running total.

Nudist Runs.. Nice