I have 2 pairs of the Endorphin Pro 3 and love them. Definitely getting the Pro 4.

Thanks for posting videos for us EddBud

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

My pleasure

Random fact. But the Saucony Endorpin Pro 3 and 4 is the shoe used by most Hybrid runners doing hybrid running events like Hyrox. It has the versatility to handle the runs quickly, the grip to push a heavy sled and the stability to do lunges and wall balls. It's a great shoe.

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

I did not know this!

What a relief! I got the Endorphin Pro 4 last week, got a load of Saucony shoes so it was the obvious. Saving it for London

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

It’s top notch

Hi Edd Coming from Zoom fly 4 i am opting for the saucony pro4 as my next tempo/race shoe Thank you for the great review and making easier for us to choose shoes👍🏻

In Australia, the AF3 price is not outrageously expensive relative to the other shoes in this video. AF3 $370 EP4 ? (not yet released in Aust) ... very soon. Cielo X1 $420 Fast-R Elite 2 $350 Interestingly, Puma were selling last year's Fast-R for $400. Probably couldn't sell many so reduced the price. I hope the same applies with Hoka and not many people buy it at the outrageous $420 price tag so they reduce it. It is rare but I may have to disagree with you Edd in as much as I don't want a versatile race day shoe. For race day shoes, I want it for the sole purpose of aiding me in getting a PB. I don't care if it is not versatile and can't double as a trainer. It's sole purpose is to get me a PB and not destroy my body (feet/legs) in the process. If it happens to perform well as a training shoe then that's a bonus. But for non race day shoes that's where I look at versatility and durability more closely.

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

Glad the Puma is a more realistic price now. I say that tongue in cheek. It’s still high

Very interesting comparison. I'm not a elite runner, I prefer the Brooks hyperion elite v4. Like to EDDBUD. Have a nice friday.

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

Keen to try that one. May reach out to the brooks crew

@Manuel-901

4 ай бұрын

@@EDDBUD . 👍

Just got my pair of fast-r 2s. Cant wait for a fast workout in them

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

Try hill climbs. Amazing benefit.

Love your work Edd! The two I’m tossing up between are the EP4 and the NB SC Elite V4 - Got a hilly marathon in May that I’m aiming for sub 4hr

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

The lighter ep4 I think would be my choice. Though there’s many good things said about the elite 4

All of those "super thanks" spent in the making of this one video

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

Yes many of them! 🤣👍🏼

@MrAsthenia

4 ай бұрын

@@EDDBUD so now that you have all of the recent super shoes in hand, which will you use for the Brighton Marathon? Or will you be bringing the Adios Pro 2 out from retirement for a shot at redemption?

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

@@MrAsthenia I shall never run in that shoe again! Maybe the Af3 or End pro 4. Need some long runs now in each to see how they hold up

James Bond "From Russia with love".. The Puma reminds me of the Villain's shoe (hidden blade). First run tomorrow with the Mizuno, don't know what to expect!

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

It’s great on hill climbs!

@georgesa.videau8332

4 ай бұрын

@@EDDBUD Indeed! I eventually got it (pro V1, 48£ on Ebay) thanks to your review. 13miles out of the box, paces from 5k to marathon. Perfect for me. simple and efficient fit for once,. Not too squishy and the outsole grip is awesome, impressive in corners. I front/mid strike, high arch, neutral/supinator so may be it is why the geometry didn't feel awkward to me...until I went in a supermarket to buy a cheesecake and almost lost my balance (backward) at check out. Thank you for the review.

Just had the Diadora Gara Carbon delivered. Taking it on a Parkrun tomorrow morning.

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

Enjoy

@henya2409

4 ай бұрын

Let us know what it feels like!

Alphafly 3 for me all day, no question

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

Glad you like it. It’s growing on me 🥈

@user-bg2ld2gi4u

4 ай бұрын

No context to that comment 😮

As a runner who doesn’t go longer than a half marathon, the Pro 4 is the most interesting. I just got the Pro 2 up to 100 miles today.

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

It’s a banger. Really good and improved outsole. That was my main bug on the pro 3

Great review. The pro 4 is a gem but I still love the adios pro 3.

Went to local store and tested EP4 as my first racing shoe. Got my runners high. The foam felt unbelievable.

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

Yeah it’s a superb version

Thanks Edd, I think it’s the hoka for me next

I was speaking to someone who ran a 5 mile race last weekend in the Endorphin Pro 4, he was very impressed! Certainly a shoe I'll keep my eye on for any future deals. I was actually watching Dates when the notification came up, I thought it might have been a call from my New York office ☎🗽

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

Be careful of that phone Ariel. 🤣👍🏼

@Stevenc1984

4 ай бұрын

@@EDDBUD 😂

I just got myself the Asics S4. Been using it for about 2 weeks now, and I think it is really versatile and fast at the same time. Similar in sensation to the Vaporfly 2, but more stable and comfortable. If you can, you should really get your hands on a pair. Japan always likes to keep their best to themselves, and I think this is true for the S4.

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

Not sure it out over here

Great review as always! Which of these shoes would you suggest is most aligned in characteristics to the Adios pro 3? I adore the running feel of that shoe but the upper does not work for me over longer distances

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

The Hoka implementation is closer to the Adios pro series.

missed opportunity to call it "Super ShoeDown"

@MrAsthenia

4 ай бұрын

God, that's good! Can I shake your hand again?

@dhgpan

4 ай бұрын

That would be awesome

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

🥉

Another great video Edd, I was pretty sure I knew the outcome before watching it 😄 Not all shoes work the same for everyone and while the AF3 is the perfect shoe for me, I can see why it won't work for everyone. Keep on making these comparison videos as they are SO relevant to every runner! Quick question, how would the Hoka Rocket X2 fit in with these other 4?

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

Maybe do a part 2 yet. The rocket deserves a mention as a very capable shoe.

Thank you for your in-depth reviews all the time!, Could I ask you one quick question about Saucony Endorphin Pro 4? I've been really enjoying Pro 3 and am waiting for Pro 4 to be released. My question is if Pro 4 is as springy as its previous version. It is lighter than Pro 3 and provides runners with the propulsive ride?

Good review, looks like Pro4 stands up to the shoe bullies fairly well!

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

Yeah it’s a great version of the pro

I was given a pair of the AF3 from my favorite indie run store to test, with the assurance I could return them if they didn’t work out for me. I never liked a Nike racer to date but the step-in of the AF3 was very comfortable and fit perfectly, so I wanted to be sure I wasn’t missing out on something great. The Endo Pro3 was my 1st CP shoe which served me extremely well last April in an 18:00 PR (other factors involved of course!). I did one 14+ mi LR in the AF3 and enjoyed it but have had nagging doubts about going with something so very different this April on an A race. So I just sent them back and will have them to order me the Endo Pro4 which-based on this review, Fordy’s and a couple others I trust-I’m expecting to love. Thanks Ed for corroborating my gut feelings. At a petite 102 or so lbs., I don’t think I’m getting enough out of the AF, and the EP feels entirely natural with my biomechanics.

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

The endorphin pro 4 stands out to me so far. It’s really nimble and superb stable too

@levandmarthapolyakin-aaron2183

4 ай бұрын

That sounds absolutely like a dream shoe for me! Can’t wait.

Stick to what you’re doing Ed! Great channel.

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

Thanks, will do!

Dedicated marathon race day shoe… Pro 4 or AF 3 ?

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

I still think the width and weight of the alphafly 3 will put off lighter, taller, or shorter and lighter runners.

Any ideas on the adidas pro 4 yet Mr budd? Another great vid 👌🏻

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

Zero on that release as of yet

I've got the puma fast r v1,only done a 10k in them,but loved them.was thinking of getting the V2 but might get the pro 4 instead

@pseudoty

4 ай бұрын

Heel striker here couldn’t see running longer than a 10K in mine but looking forward to the V2 to go on sale

Hi

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

GOLD!

Tried a couple, went for the Cielo’s- effort, speed etc no difference but can maintain longer with less damage next day. High cuff abit hard on the ankle though.

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

Top notch shoe. Even the laces. 🤣👍🏼

Kudos for getting out multiple shoe test out first Ed. Good stuff. Must admit, after your individual videos and having paid for it you were going to give the Alphafly 3 a harder time. Also, I figured the Puma would come out on top, although you stopped short of concluding that. I must say the people at Saucony will love you for this review… the Pro4 is technically their second shoe so now priced like a Vapourfly (maybe that’s the comparison) meaning their top tier Endorphin Elite is the head to head with the Alphafly. They’ll be sure to send you the Endorphin Elite 2 after this!!!

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

The elite is a top shoe. Though it’s now a slight difference between the pro 4 and elite

I would love to see and Endorphin Elite vs Endorphin Pro 4 video.

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

I shall see what I can do

I love the hoka, when I got it it did feel heavy (Compared to my Rocket X2), but I don't really feel this when running, I think because it has a bit more energy return, which seems to make up for the extra weight.

@EDDBUD

3 ай бұрын

Yeah similar vibe to the primex / heavier but loads of rebound

Just picked up a pair of Rocket X2s - tried on the Cielo X1 as well in the Hoka shop, but felt like the Rocket was a better fit for my mechanics (as much as you can tell from 10 paces up and down a shop!). Really like them so far - comfy and bouncy. They are my second pair of carbon-plated shoes after the Endo Pro 3, which I had to put on eBay after 20km because they made my toes go numb 😢

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

The rocket is by far the more nimble of those 2 hokas.

I'm wondering whats the stack difference between Cielo and Prime x2 because PrimeX has a lot of tech and foam and thus weight is high. If Cielo doesn't have the PrimeX stack that shoe is definitely too heavy to be called 'Super' shoe in my book.

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

I think the primex and Cielo is down to the extra stuff and outsole weight.

@edrios3668

4 ай бұрын

@@EDDBUD - I mean look at all the rubber on the outsole for the Cielo, should be very durable, even if it adds to the weight a bit.

AF2s were a costly mistake for me (I had to sell them after 35km at substantial loss) and I am staying away from these new ones. I have been loving other Puma shoes recently, and I am ready to give the Fast R2s a go

@denzellscouter7007

4 ай бұрын

What was the reason for you to sell them? I’ve ran 20 km in them so far and been getting bad blisters on my feet which is making me reconsider as well

@davidrogers7787

4 ай бұрын

Stick with the AF2s! Only after 8-9 long runs (including a marathon PB) I feel like I finally ‘got’ them, being very in tune. The energy preservation qualities are amazing, and that awful arch hotspot problem went away. I’m planning on upgrading to the AF3s, but the 2s will remain a cracking choice for weekend long runs - if for nothing else, to keep the legs fresh!

@pizio1984

4 ай бұрын

I could barely walk after a session in them. My feet were in extreme pain. I am sure they work well for many people, they didn't for me

Great vid 💪👍

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

Appreciate it!

Too bad the Adios Pro 4 isn’t out yet , I prefer the three stripes for racing and hope the 4th version doesn’t stray too far. I think the energy rods work better for me than a plate.

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

I do like me some energy rods. Enjoying the sen 10 in the mean time

Going to wait for a flashy Ekiden version of the Alphafly Next year. Not a fan of 🎉🌈 color that is coming up.

At the end of the day i want a racer that can be downgraded to a speed/tempo day after the shoe has lost its bounce or most of it and saucony has been the only brend so far to let me over use the shoe if that makes sense

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

Yeah I can agree on that

Is one easier to put on? I have the alphafly 1 and always found them great to run in but not comfortable I use them for triathlons as great for fast transitions Is one easier or faster to get on and get a good lock down?

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

A little easier but there are loads of other more traditional options which are easier to get into

I know the Endorphin elite is older but I feel like as a strictly racing shoe it clears all of these

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

Will do a part 2 soon. Don’t like to bore the viewers with too long a video 👍🏼🤣

@TheScottyLincoln

4 ай бұрын

Trying these in the spring for the BQ! Boycotting Nike at the moment until they replace my vaporfly 3’s or send me a voucher. It’s been since October!

It is pretty dumb and annoying what Nike does. I find it odd they dont want to sell more shoes by releasing more.

Toebox comparison for the fast-r? I can run in the Deviate Nitro 2, deviate elite 2, but the velocity 3 is just too narrow for me and it makes me worry about throwing the earth credits down for the fast-r

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

Fast r is like a football / soccer boot. Bit more constrictive height wise than the de2.

@michaelcaricoo

4 ай бұрын

​@EDDBUD thanks Ed, have a good weekend

Alphafly 3 really is next level elite, no question, no comparison imo

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

Not sure I agree about that. It’s way overpriced

@SimonSaysRun

4 ай бұрын

@EDDBUD Oh I was going by performance comparison, not price. I paid £10 more for the Alphafly 3, with a discount, than when I first bought the Vaporfly V1, so feel price is reasonable in that sense. But yes RRP is overpriced, along with the majority of Carbon race shoes

Li-Ning Feidian 3.0 Ultra are perhaps the fastest shoe on the market?

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

Not available here and I don’t own a pair so can’t include it

@tellef70

4 ай бұрын

For sale from Denemark to us in Norway. Same price as Alphafly 3 @@EDDBUD

@edrios3668

4 ай бұрын

I have a pair, I agree very fast, on the Podium in Berlin I think. When you say fastest, do you mean over the Marathon distance?

If you had to pick one between the Cielo and the Pro 4 as an all arounder? Which would you choose?

@EDDBUD

3 ай бұрын

For all round the pro 4 is a better bet. Less shoe but more nimble and breathable.

@dextersuarez9948

3 ай бұрын

@@EDDBUD thanks for the advice, will be going for the pro, love your content and always appreciate the music recommendations. -Air Force dude from Tucson AZ

My alpha fly 3 is 220 g in a uk9 which is lighter than the sample size of the pro 4, I guess the size scale must be really off if your pro 4 is lighter, for me the AF3 is the best racer I own, previously my favourite was the Metaspeed sky +

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

I think the air pod scaling and foam just push them upwards. Think of poor old Tim Grose. His 13 are even bulkier

@etbrown94

4 ай бұрын

@@EDDBUDI can definitely understand why he prefers the Vaporfly 3, the weight is a huge difference in the larger sizes

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

@@etbrown94 Yeah Tim is a lighter fellow too like me. It does make a difference when you have long legs and a tall frame. Some of the max cushion shoes are like bricks!

Got the Saucony Pro 3 on Wiggle yesterday for £160 😁

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

I saw they had some wild deals on the 4 too. I thought they were in administration?!

@msandiford93

4 ай бұрын

@@EDDBUD Think I saw online they are clearing stock, once it's gone it's gone. A shame as I loved their dhb house brand clothing for cycling and running

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

@@msandiford93You are not the first one to say that about the clothing range.

Pro4 for me , such a great shoe,

@markoljustina

4 ай бұрын

you run in them ?

@ChrisBrown-dy8ts

4 ай бұрын

@@markoljustina yes I raced in them last Sunday

@markoljustina

4 ай бұрын

Glad to hear that

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

Worth a race soon. Maybe next weekend on the Weymouth bay

@ChrisBrown-dy8ts

4 ай бұрын

@@EDDBUD they feel very light and responsive not quite a racey as the Elites but at this time of year it was the outsole grip that gave confidence around any corner gonna be hard to beat the Pro4’s. IMO. Great video again✅

I’m in 2 minds with endorphin pro vs takumi Sen 10

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

Pro is softer. The sen way lighter

👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 📡 EP4

How would you compare the AFV3 to the AFV1. I didn't love the V1. I'm not sure if the V3 is the shoe for me.

@macewindex564

4 ай бұрын

The alphafly 1 was 227g the 3 is 270g, that's insane weight gain

@eulogyforadream

4 ай бұрын

@@macewindex564 I don't think that's correct. I'm pretty sure the V3 is lighter.

@jmulvey1014

4 ай бұрын

@@macewindex564 This is very wrong haha The AF3 is the lightest Alpha that's released. @eulogyforadream, it's lighter than previous models, little bit wider in the arch/midfoot, and is going to be more stable than previous models, just to name a few of the major updates

@justoutlaw6423

4 ай бұрын

And still looks bulky, almost like a basketball shoe. For that kind of money, thanks but no thanks.@@jmulvey1014

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

I quote my size and weight not the sample

Ed, where do you think the Endorphin elite fits with this group?

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

There’s almost two different thoughts on these super shoes now. Some people want the firmer yet light foam vs the soft squashy stuff. The majority of todays video is that squashy range

@thomashughes7686

4 ай бұрын

@@EDDBUD Yep, I am personally (as a big, hard landing runner) prefer the firmer foams. The Saucony pro 3 and nikes are too soft. The Adios pro 3 and Endorphin elite are perfect.

Are any of these new supershoes that much of a leap forward from last years or even 2 years ago? I'm starting to think the only difference in these is they have a new design but none of them are actually any better than Supershoes a few years old, by better I mean Ill run the same Marathon time with these as I would with a Supershoe from 2 years ago. Maybe I'm just getting cynical in my old age!

@TimGrose

4 ай бұрын

yeah I agree. I think there is just more choice now to suit more runners. The Hoka one seemingly being a case in point.

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

I agree with both of you. They have perfected the style and profile. They are close. But for me in the uk it’s down to durability and traction. As Tim will know it’s so variable here. Plus our roads are a travesty!

@TimGrose

4 ай бұрын

@@EDDBUD that was certainly an issue with say the AF3 for me - was even more aware of little pot holes and drains etc etc than in other shoes.

Vs rebellion pro?

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

In a part 2 soon

I live in China. I bought the Endorphin pro 4 and the Xtep 160x 5.0 Pro. Will try the Endorphin tonight. I might return the Xtep 160x 5. Have you ever run in Xtep before?

@EDDBUD

2 ай бұрын

Hard to get hold of here. They only stock in a couple of places and limited sizing

What about sc elite v4?

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

Can’t include a shoe I haven’t tried.

@Adriansyah1995

4 ай бұрын

@@EDDBUD ahh cant wait to hear your review!

Asics super sho??

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

I have the Metaspeed sky plus but there is no other.

i wanna see him compare weights

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

I do mention the weights a few times. 270 for the Af3. About the same for the Puma. The Hoka at 300g and the ep4 at 249g

@CableWatson

4 ай бұрын

aint no way the AF3 is the same weight as the big bulky Puma Fast R 2 @@EDDBUD

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

@@CableWatson bulky? Have you worn the Puma shoe? Weight is the weight. Same scales.

@CableWatson

4 ай бұрын

what shoe size are you bro? @@EDDBUD

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

@@CableWatson uk 11 us 12

Where is metaspeed and adidas?)

@EDDBUD

3 ай бұрын

Might do a part 2

Why SC Elite V4 wasn't included? Thank you for your reviews Edd. 👍

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

I can’t include shoes I don’t own. Seems odd doing comparisons not drawn from my own experiences.

Shoes are highly overrated. Well, not so much for people who sell them.

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

Why watch shoe videos in this case?!

@jimmybondy9450

4 ай бұрын

@@EDDBUD because YT recommends me all the time.

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

@@jimmybondy9450 Well thanks for tuning in 👍🏼👊

alphafly 3 270g lol, and they was trying to market it as the lightest alphafly ever when it's the heaviest 😂

@gilbertblythe1011

4 ай бұрын

That's the weight in the Edd's UK Size 11. V3 is the lightest AF. In the sample size, Men's US9 v1 = 209g, 7.4oz ; v2 = 226g, 8oz and v3 = 198g, 7oz so it is around 11g lighter than v1.

@EDDBUD

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for clearing it up. 👍🏼 I prefer to note my shoe weight rather than a pdf from the company. It seems to mean more