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@satnamo

2 жыл бұрын

You are welcome.

@dantheman5434

2 жыл бұрын

Nietzsche complained about complainers, wouldn't that make him some sort of 'Meta-Loser'?

Every poor devil gets some pleasures from scolding because it gives him a little intoxication of power since every complaint contains a small dose of revenge.

@jamesdewane1642

Жыл бұрын

Correct me if I'm wrong: there's a ton of complaining in every one of Nietzsche's works.

@hassansamaden9890

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesdewane1642 Hypocrisy is inevitable as a commenter said in this section

@chripianflopez

8 ай бұрын

@jamesdewane1642 From what I gather they don't really seem to be complaints. They seem to be more observations and classifications, because, by his own words, complaining is used as a short term feeling of power, whereas these observations seem to be aiming towards long-term resolutions.

@juanyjuanes8746

5 ай бұрын

That depends on the intention of the complainer. Some complaints are calling attention to legit problems that need to be fixed

@amaxingmusic9334

3 ай бұрын

@@juanyjuanes8746 Hard agree there. I think what Nietzsche was getting at is that complaining for the sake of complaining is a sign of weakness because you are resigned to your inability to fix, or at least make progress to the problem in question.

I was once told that complaining was "complying". I found myself complaining a lot less after that.

@shreyasbhatt7112

Жыл бұрын

you complied to his notion

I was complaining yesterday. I was with resentment. The only type of rebellion I can afford as a slave.

That transition into the sponsored segment was too cool for such a nerdy channel. Love it. 😆

Very insightful! I never knew complaining about my lot in life stemmed from so much weakness. Having suffered from an anxiety disorder I find it easy to complain about factors beyond my control (such as genes, brain chemistry etc) not realizing this is a sign of weakness.

@moodofasinner

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t think it’s a sign of weakness. And If anything, nietzche was the biggest hypocrite when it comes to it.

@elia8544

2 жыл бұрын

@@moodofasinner it is weakness which can be overcome

@moodofasinner

2 жыл бұрын

@@elia8544 I disagree with you. Clearly you’ve never suffered from a severe anxiety disorder.

@moodofasinner

2 жыл бұрын

@@elia8544 I think judging other people without knowing what they’ve been though is the real weakness and all that nietzche is talk shit about every other philosopher rather than focus on his own

@elia8544

2 жыл бұрын

@@moodofasinner I actually have a terrible anxiety disorder that has caused most of my pain and suffering in life. It is a weakness that I have managed to continue overcoming with the help of others.

Nietzsche, as always, making me contemplate my life

@Mousa2070

Жыл бұрын

@Roma Victor the thing is his philosophy is like the dark web, you know it’s dangerous but damn it you still want to explore it

@Mousa2070

Жыл бұрын

@Roma Victor I think that facing a harsh truth is much better then living in a suppressed lie. Even if one was able to live in a lie he dies from within. His conscious won't be able to bear such burden.

@Mousa2070

Жыл бұрын

@Roma Victor all clear don't worry. I see your point, but what if perhaps our limit of knowledge is what makes it interesting. If we know everything to its limit we spoilt the experience.

It is unbelievable how much depth this guy had! I don’t think we as a society fully understand his impact on reality.

2:54 Lol. I am not so sure about that, especially if we consider that he wrote voluminously about his weaknessess including all manner of infirmities both physical and psycological. We would not think of him as a person who "lived dangerously", not in the conventional sense of the word at least.

I'm a devout Christian who follows Nietzsches insights, uses the practicality of stoicism and make love like the romantics. I have achieved maximum capacity

Interesting too, the weak will crave you to be weak with them, and will guilt you for your choices while the powerful would simply crush you if you are in opposition to them

“I have never learned a thing listening to myself talk” Samuel Langhorn Clemens.🌱

Sometimes "weakness" is a function of being different to the majority in a certain area. An example is autistic people. They're found to not actually be poor - i.e. weak - at communication, only poor at communicating with people who are not autistic. So, in a deep way, the fitness value of genes is not solely intrinsic, but also dependent on which other genes exist in the environment. Also, sometimes the weak move might still be the strongest one you have, or that you're capable of in that moment. Is it a sign of strength to passively accept a situation in which you find yourself in a powerless position? The strongest alternative might be against the law. The next best move might be complaining until you get a reaction. This seems to be mostly about adapting to existing structures and being pragmatic, which is fine, but also of limited value. It is quite relativistic and conservative for the purpose of being conservative. If you're too different in a certain area, you will fail unless strong in another complementary area/metric. If you're different in just the right amount, you will be an outlier in the positive sense, i. e. strong. Sometimes, if not often, that line is very fine. If you're strong enough you won't have a need to demonstrate it by making the weak traits of others visible. You would not need to prove it because you know you're the strong one. It is evident that many so-called strong people do, however, feel the need to do so.

@malchik4789

2 жыл бұрын

Tldr probably coping

@mypussiehurts

2 жыл бұрын

You said that perfectly brother story of my life with my autistic brother

@baronvonbeandip

2 жыл бұрын

You can think of strength and weakness being a scale between 1 and -1. If completely robbed of the ability to make a positive moral influence on the world, yeah, passivity or death is the answer. This is what Socrates was trying to say. Having weighed his options, it was better to leave a strong mark in ending his life prematurely, which was a stronger positive effect on the world than the sum of any further choices he may make into the future. Speaking to autism or neurodivergencies, this 1 to -1 scale is multiplied by the power that you wield (0, +inf). If you lack rationality, then it morally behooves you to increase your rationality, then to increase your power which comes as a differential function of right action. An autistic person doesn't need, necessarily to convey in terms the world can understand because master morality is beyond words and is in right action. The individuate weakness lies in unwillingness to develop rationality, to reject the will to power, and to reject right action as master morality dictates. A person who is a ruthless dictator (ie Hitler or whatever bogeyman) is morally correct in gaining power but is misguided because he lacks the real understanding of the world and sees that into being. A person in a coma who is of no use to himself or others and cannot give something back is morally inclined to die, assuming all hope is truly lost (which is takes a very smart person to make a reasonable assessment of). Every person walks that tightrope and should make decisions under that weighty millstone (ie Sisyphus).

@torshops

2 жыл бұрын

Im not so sure Nietzsche is reffering to the survival of the fittest type of strengh\th/weakness... after all a strong autistic person doesnt feel resentment he does what he can (as his lot in life is always based on relative measurements and is largely irrelevant) inner strength is what matters not outer... and this concept kinda reminds me of Victor Frankls "will to meaning"

@env0x

Жыл бұрын

i think there is fundamental difference between weakness as others perceive in you and weakness as you perceive in yourself. i believe nietzche is speaking in the sense of weakness you would perceive in yourself. he's not saying not to do anything about it, he's not even necessarily saying there's anything wrong with weakness. he's only saying that if, from your weakness, the only action you manage to take is that of bewailment, then that is despicable.

Insightful and interestingly presented! It’s a shame many seem not to allow themselves to explore thought!

@WeltgeistYT

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words

" those who say " look at them, they abused me" can never obtain enlightenment"- Dhammapada

@danielhopkins296

2 жыл бұрын

@Just Chill such is the Orthodox Buddhist teachings. The Mahayanists , like the Gnostics, may express the sentiment from a different angel " blessed is he who has crucified the world, for their is no one left to crucify him" - Gospel of Thomas

"Only losers complain" Nietzsche's entire career ... Plato this, Christianity that, Pessimism, Decadence, Herd Morality, Laziness ..

@Mag_ladroth

Жыл бұрын

I am pretty sure Nietzsche calls himself weak in one of his books

@701delbronx8

Жыл бұрын

Criticizing is not complaining. You know Nietzsche is still relevant when he hits a nerve with The Herd to this day

Great channel. I've been reading beyond good and evil on the kindle app. I enjoy the literature, the challenge comprehended the ideas and even the language. This provides a change of angle. 👌

Really insightful, thanks a lot

In a country called The United States of America there are only two political parties that entirely exist to complain about each other. Spite and vindictiveness ruins every debate. The Americans decide who wins a debate beforehand by picking a favorite color tie ahead of the debate, which is more efficient than judging details and weighing merits.

I found out that when I've started to think about stuff that can make my life better, and stopped thinking about stuff that makes my life worse, my life started getting better. That's why if You complain you focus your mind on stuff that make You weak, therefore You become weaker. If You say "That and that makes my life better", you focus Your mind on stuff that makes You better and become stronger.

Good work!

@WeltgeistYT

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

My favorite philosopher, despite his concepts never being completely fleshed out. Oh well, we'll just have to savor what morsels of thought he left behind to us. Great work as always.

@lernaeanhydra425

2 жыл бұрын

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@tuckersmoak6632

Жыл бұрын

you obviously arent the overman.

@jamesdewane1642

Жыл бұрын

He's a snake that ate itself. He collapsed mentally before he could "flesh out" his ideas. There's nowhere for this ideas to go. -Strong is good; weak is bad. So??? You can't eliminate weak any more than you can eliminate down. Strong as a descriptor only exists by its contrast to weak, so the strong need the weak to even exist as a category. He broke down mentally rather than admit that. The guy needed a hug and a hike and a snowball fight and someone to trim his mustache and tell him how much they appreciated him. The guy was frustrated and angry af.

Great video, as always

@WeltgeistYT

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Always great info

Your channel is underappreciated; I really enjoy it.

@WeltgeistYT

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

I found these insights to be quite useful for developing a new outlook on life. We always hear about how we should take the obstacles life throws at us as opportunities to grow, but only Nietzsche has expressed this sentiment effectively and in a way that is not cringey. The fact that this is a big reason why he did not consume alcohol makes it even more worthwhile. Once you see alcohol, weed, and other vices for the distractions they are, it’s hard to ever partake in them again.

Thanks for sharing it

Complaining oftentimes has an actual function which is critique in order to better the situation or at least pointing out that something needs to be changed, it also makes sense for someone with less perceived impact on the situation to blame someone or something he thinks has more impact. However, what function does characterizing what you dislike under very specific "archetypes" i.e. straw-men and then taking them down via negative description i.e. ad-hominems while refusing to commit to any well defined interpretation serve? (he reminds me a lot of a certain lobster), is it not cognitive cowardice? is it not void of any actual useful function except for trying to paint what he values as positive and what he does not like as negative? is it not a pathetic show of a weak man trying to exert his will to power?, I hate Nietzsche's terms, I don't find them useful, but they describe him perfectly as he was projecting his own psychology onto everyone else. And if complaining has a function which is to make suffering bearable and if people don't use it to hurt others how is that bad in any way? disregarding conscious experience and attributing all to a will to power is an indication of Nietzsche's own psychopathic mindset. Nietzsche peeked under the veil and saw the horror of existence and its indifference towards conscious experience, instead of accepting that existence in itself might not be an inherent good he freaked out, went the cowardly way and denied the value of experience itself, instead framing all as a will to power and justifying any facet of life by it and the the same time criticizing anything he didn't like using it, making for an ill defined ideology easily used to justify psychopathic systems at the expense of the "weak". And his ideology and many like his are constantly used to undermine moral and political progress and basic decency and empathy at societal scales, the same characterizations he used are often used by common people, political figures, public mental health professionals and lobsters to ignore the experience of people in bad situations and deny any actual help. Personally as someone with congenital chronic pain and depression, as well as CPTSD arising from a very traumatic childhood Ive been denied disability, got insulted by public mental health care professionals and ignored by pain doctors using very similar language, always denied the opportunity for an actual dialogue.

@chripianflopez

8 ай бұрын

Just more complaining and coping. It dosnt matter what you went through, are you willing to face it head on or not, if not stfu and stay out of our way.

After listening to this I'm definitely going to stop cursing the 'gods'!

Great video

Interesting how seeing "what is strong" as the opposite of "what is weak" is a mirror (by which I mean the opposite, yet the same) of Plotinus, who viewed "evil" as merely "the lack of good"

“Man is a rope stretched between the animal and the Superman--a rope over an abyss. A dangerous crossing, a dangerous wayfaring, a dangerous looking-back, a dangerous trembling and halting. What is great in man is that he is a bridge and not a goal: what is lovable in man is that he is an OVER-GOING and a DOWN-GOING. I love those that know not how to live except as down-goers, for they are the over-goers. I love the great despisers, because they are the great adorers, and arrows of longing for the other shore. I love those who do not first seek a reason beyond the stars for going down and being sacrifices, but sacrifice themselves to the earth, that the earth of the Superman may hereafter arrive. I love him who lives in order to know, and seeks to know in order that the Superman may hereafter live. Thus seeks he his own down-going. I love him who labors and invents, that he may build the house for the Superman, and prepare for him earth, animal, and plant: for thus seeks he his own down-going. I love him who loves his virtue: for virtue is the will to down-going, and an arrow of longing. I love him who reserves no share of spirit for himself, but wants to be wholly the spirit of his virtue: thus walks he as spirit over the bridge. I love him who makes his virtue his inclination and destiny: thus, for the sake of his virtue, he is willing to live on, or live no more. I love him who desires not too many virtues. One virtue is more of a virtue than two, because it is more of a knot for one's destiny to cling to. I love him whose soul is lavish, who wants no thanks and does not give back: for he always bestows, and desires not to keep for himself. I love him who is ashamed when the dice fall in his favor, and who then asks: "Am I a dishonest player?"--for he is willing to succumb. I love him who scatters golden words in advance of his deeds, and always does more than he promises: for he seeks his own down-going. I love him who justifies the future ones, and redeems the past ones: for he is willing to succumb through the present ones. I love him who chastens his God, because he loves his God: for he must succumb through the wrath of his God. I love him whose soul is deep even in the wounding, and may succumb through a small matter: thus goes he willingly over the bridge. I love him whose soul is so overfull that he forgets himself, and all things that are in him: thus all things become his down-going. I love him who is of a free spirit and a free heart: thus is his head only the bowels of his heart; his heart, however, causes his down-going. I love all who are like heavy drops falling one by one out of the dark cloud that lowers over man: they herald the coming of the lightning, and succumb as heralds. Lo, I am a herald of the lightning, and a heavy drop out of the cloud: the lightning, however, is the SUPERMAN.--” ― Friedrich Nietzsche, Thus Spoke Zarathustra

Awesome!

Very insightful.

@WeltgeistYT

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

Good to see you're getting sponsored

It's very interesting how different what Christians do and believe are in contrast to the stories about and told by Jesus in the New Testament. If the hypothetical Jesus of the bible returned (unlikely lol), he'd be anti-Christian.

Just going to bed but get ur notification of neitzche

@WeltgeistYT

2 жыл бұрын

Goodnight!

@veerswami7175

2 жыл бұрын

@@WeltgeistYT hey bro i watch video at night now again coz I didn't get anything lol 🤣 🤣🤣🤣

Is complaining about complainers not a complaint in of itself? Hypocrisy is inevitable

@chripianflopez

8 ай бұрын

They aren't complaints, they are observations.

Video magnifico.

I see how I complain and use God or whatever as a scapegoat. This totally helps me

Man, that was a smooth transition into the ads... XD

The cure to complaining and resentment is gratitude and prayer.

I often find myself irritated and therefore complaining about others complaining. I get so tired of hearing people complain at work, or in public, or wherever, that I then complain about it to someone else.

I have become an anarchist over the last two years. The oppresiveness of the state has turned me completely against it. But alas, is it that my weakness, my being prone to being handled this way by the state that has turned me so resentful?

@mistersharpe4375

2 жыл бұрын

If being oppressed by the state is a sign of personal weakness, then that’s merely an indication of the state’s policies working as intended. You don’t have to look too deep to find the state promoting weakness and vice as virtues, and vilifying strength that isn’t subservient to the will of the governing body. As an anarchist, being strong and productive for the sake of yourself, and your family/community, ought to be seen as the most potent form of protest against state dependency.

@701delbronx8

Жыл бұрын

Is your opposition to a current regime or the idea of a government authority in whole?

@marcobrod796

Жыл бұрын

I think you are right Mister Sharpe. Divide and conquer, the state is being very machiavllian in these matters. To the legendary black lady, I think my problem is more with the current democratic, socialistic state(s). It is quite natural to go from "this government is bad" to "all governments are bad", but let's be careful when using induction.

@mistersharpe4375

Жыл бұрын

@@marcobrod796 I am personally opposed to government authority as a whole, lol. But of course, there are Anarchists, and there are Minarchists (though I think the only real that could be opposed on a state's power is the size of its territory, as laws can easily be bypassed). Two things that keep me in opposition to the idea of government authority would be; 1) The Iron Law of Oligarchy, which is the principle that any governing body will always evolve into a closed off class of administrative aristocrats, which is much apparent in western "democracies. And; 2) the Libertarian idea that the government is simply an organisation with the monopoly on violence. Which, of course, makes the application of law and law-making a very one sided process. All in all, I believe that the concept of the meritocratic democracy in the West, is a complete lie. Political power is a deadly weapon that is reserved for the machiavellian, and those well connected via birth. As much as I agree with Nietzsche on the archetype of the Complainer, I reject any notion that the possession of Political Power is an indicator of any kind of moral virtue or strength of character.

@pizzakiep4157

Жыл бұрын

I think his point is that you are weak precisely BECAUSE you are being handled by the state. You are the slave and the state is the master, note that Nietzsche did not impose a judgement on wether this is a good thing or a bad thing. He simply states that your discontent comes from a lack of power which cannot be denied, if you had more power you could change things to the way you'd want them to be instead of complaining about how they are not the way you want them to be. This goes back to his idea of Will to power

The moments immidiatly before posting all of the most fun KZread comments I've ever made felt like giddily running to a safe distance to trigger the detonator.

Audio is always too low. I have both my system and YT player up all the way and I can barely hear it.

@WeltgeistYT

2 жыл бұрын

We’re trying to get it right. Still figuring it out. Thx for your patience

@michaeltellurian825

2 жыл бұрын

@@WeltgeistYT You know just occurred to me? The title of this video is "Nietzsche: Only Losers Complain" and I just complained! Hmmm....🤣

thank you

@WeltgeistYT

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching!

2:20 Wtf, you mean Rick and Morty banned in some countries?

Nietzsche is my favorite because he is both a philosopher and a poet.Hence, his analysis of the complainers mindset is both true and beautiful. To me, he is far beyond Freud in matter of psychology because his analysis of the human mind is both scientific and poetic, and both individual and social. Furthermore, to him man is to be seen as a responsible being, almost as God himself, a being capable of choosing and assuming the consequences of his choices.

Even if complaining is a sign of weakness, there is no reason to suppose it works in reverse. No reason to suppose that abstaining from complaining will somehow make you stronger.

@bonkersdonkers7381

Жыл бұрын

You’re correct. It doesn’t work in reverse. That’s why instead of complaining, one should strive for change through actionable steps. Complaining gets you nowhere, rather it puts you in a negative space.

Perhaps we could apply this principle.... one way to know what one wants is to know what one doesn't want.... so we may not have his thoughts on the psychology of the strong but we do have them on the weak. Perhaps if it's not weak/complain, then it's moving towards the strong? I don't know 😊

What is the difference between dionysian and decadent? The only differences I understood are that the former is life-serving and the latter isn't. The former is at the beginning of society while the latter at the end... But I'm not sure. May I have a little clarification?

@WeltgeistYT

2 жыл бұрын

Our videos on “Nietzsche’s Mistake” cover this question somewhat

question: when you mention that Christianity is created from resentment towards Roman conquerors, the creators of that religion would be the jews who were conquered by the Romans and then created Christianity, rather than the Christians who were living as, for instance, slaves in Rome, correct? In other words, is Nietzsche saying that Christianity was sort of designed from the ground up to cope with being a conquered people, or is he saying that at soe point Christianity turned into a "slave morality" religion?

@WeltgeistYT

2 жыл бұрын

The former. Check out our big video on the Genealogy for a more detailed answer

@ZYX84

2 жыл бұрын

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@WeltgeistYT

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the support!

"Construct an archetype which has the essential qualities of the thing he wants to criticize and then perform a psychological analysis of that type" So basically... literally... building a strawman? Why so much resentimaaahn towards "anarchists"? They are only practicing their will to take what they think belongs to them. Their... I don't know... will to power Out of curiosity, was there someone that was his contemporary and was on the receiving end of his "devastating critiques"? Or at least someone who wasn't dead for 50-2000 years. Someone who could have responded to him without a medium.

The more I learn about Nietzsche, the more I think he contradicts himself. I read the Gay Science where he talks about only being an affirmer. How he does not want to accuse or even accuse the accusers. Then I read Twilight of the Idols and the Antichrist where he essentially denigrates past philosophers and Christianity. If I remember correctly, he really goes off on Socrates. I'm fine with him criticizing other philosophers and religion. However, I have huge problems with him claiming to be an affirmer, then turning around and tearing down other people in future books. When he writes such things, he comes off as being hypocritical. Maybe that can be a subject of a future video, the many contradictions of Nietzsche.

@moodofasinner

2 жыл бұрын

I absolutely agree with this. I find nietzche to be somewhat of a self -imposed grandiose hypocrite at times

@WeltgeistYT

2 жыл бұрын

Yes there is a lot of contradictions in him. We’ve addressed this in a couple videos. It’s definitely true that for example Twilight of the Idols is all about tearing others down. Not very affirmative

6:03 Modern studies are wrong. Cursing and swearing do not help reduce pain. In fact what happens is that time passes and while time is passing the pain is reducing. The proof is that if you don't curse or swear during the time when you're supposed to, the pain will still reduce.

@markoslavicek

Жыл бұрын

Source?

@oama2009

Жыл бұрын

@@markoslavicek my brain

@markoslavicek

Жыл бұрын

@@oama2009 And I thought we were having a serious discussion here :)

@oama2009

Жыл бұрын

@@markoslavicek You lost me there. Are we assuming your brain cannot produce any original thoughts ? You realize everything comes from the brain right ?

@markoslavicek

Жыл бұрын

@@oama2009 I am not assuming anything about the brain or its power. The very fact it is dismissing scientific research without any sources or references only proves how powerful it can be.

What is the difference between "affirming the morals of one's own nature" (master) and "rejecting everything different from itself" (slave)????

@WeltgeistYT

2 жыл бұрын

Master morality defines itself as an affirmation of itself. Slave morality is/can be defined as a rejection of the world (not-self)

@fnamelname9077

2 жыл бұрын

@@WeltgeistYT Ah, I see. So, it's more about perspective and motivation? Thanks for answering!

Awesome

@WeltgeistYT

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching

@bryanessing3344

2 жыл бұрын

@@WeltgeistYT thank you for posting!!

It is passing strange that all the best Germans are dead. Present company excepted. The Overman only exists hypothetically

@yungmentalproblems

2 жыл бұрын

Isn't Hitler still...

@yungmentalproblems

2 жыл бұрын

It is fleeting odd that you'd day such a thing

@mistersharpe4375

2 жыл бұрын

Hans-Herman Hoppe is still alive at least.

The whole world is the opposite of this

As an anarchist of the capitalistic/voluntarist persuasion, I still find it perversely hilarious that Nietzsche conflates anarchists and socialists so dismissively. Nietzsche sure knew how to grab your attention.

@Aim54Delta

Жыл бұрын

Keep in mind that society is not today what it was even just 200 years ago. Even now, we are politically and economically transitioning out of what we are, now. People 100 years from now will live under a vaguely familiar, vut foundationally different set of political orders. Capitalism, itself, began under the move to enclosures - the capitalization of land - the transfer of ownership from the nobility to the heads of lower families. This saw the commons divided up and awarded private ownership, which itself began what is now the socialist movement - opposition to the private ownership of land that was, prior, owned by a central lord who just let the commoners do whatever they wanted (for the most part). Socialists, today, largely oppose private ownership of lands, desiring a return to the commons (well, they don't often realize it and mostly just like the idea of criticizing the cost of manufacturing the things they want or need) and anarchists align well enough with this idea of bringing down rulers. Anarcho-capitalism is a bit more modern and nuanced an idea that seems to have independent origin in a question of whether or not the state as an institution is necessary. Though it could also come from a simple desire to return to a feudal system, away from bureaucratic states, just with the feudal structure being business and financial entities over individual family lineages. Would be interesting to research....

@mistersharpe4375

Жыл бұрын

@@Aim54Delta It certainly is a complex game of semantics and cultural world-views. In all seriousness, it does make sense for Nietzsche to conflate the two, in a time when the land-owning aristocracy were tightly connected to the monarchies and central governments. Feudalism, too, can be a tricky word in political discourse. Most will use the term as shorthand for a strict hierarchy of classes, like the Hindu Caste System. A definition not unrelated to, but not strictly coequal with medieval ideas of land ownership and distribution. In discussions of anarchy, the very idea of the feudal system will often scare away anyone from questioning the validity of the centralised nation-state (such as socialists). Which is understandable, as the historical application of the term "Feudalism" doesn't seem to discriminate. The term can be applied to the relationship land-owners and their tenants, just as much as it applies to systems of serfs being bound by law to work the land.

@Aim54Delta

Жыл бұрын

@@mistersharpe4375 Indeed. Part of "the problem" is something of a mayfly effect. The overwhelming majority of people alive, today, in "The West" have only ever lived in the concept of the unified state and don't realize just how new that idea is - only arond 500-600 years old, depending upon exactly when you want to mark it. The closest to it would be "the land of" a tribal group identified by a common language and usually with a geographic barrier forming a boundary for that group. This was one of the huge hurdles we had working in Afghanistan and large portions of Iraq. The concept of identity and its purpose was on an entirely different page. For some groups, their age was when they achieved adulthood within some tribe, or when they earned a name by the tribe. Their assigned name at birth was not something they would use to identify themselves, and some of them went by different names within different tribes. The notion of a consistent identity for the purposes of public record by a state (even a city state) was just .... not there. We'd get guys come in with host nation issued IDs that had names running off the end of the card with "muhammad muhammad ibn sabir Muhammad32" or something to that effect. For most of them, the terms and boundaries we apply to their countries are just how people from the cities choose to look at things, not really how things work. Unlike in many of our nations (or... perhaps, as we have forgotten in our own), the urban areas lack the administrative and legal enforcement capacity to impose significant cultural changes on the outlying regions. The city may be where a lot of trade is done between foreign industrial powers, but that is an outsider's game. Even now, I would argue we are beginning to see the first rumblings of shifts in the paradigm. Industrialization has brought us many great things, as has the private ownership of land/resources. There are, however, some questions that are beginning to come to the forefront as the growth made possible by past decisions is halting on the limitations imposed by those decisions. Namely - finance, debt, and the divorce of economics from metals based money. Even without this aspect, there are other questions... what are the limits to a corporation? We have seen many small businesses driven by anti-competitive behavior into closure by large businesses that aggressively work to lower stock values to make acquisitions. Is this allowable so long as the company is efficient enough to be able to keep ahead of competitive new market entries? What legal remedies should be created, if any? Will society somehow self correct and rebel against monocorp, inc? Or will it become a defacto fascist oligarchy where everything becomes a part of nation, inc or doesn't get the support necessary to survive from nation, inc? Is the mass manufacturing model going to survive? Technologies like additive manufacturing are improving leaps and bounds. Mass manufacture became dominant for a few reasons... first was that designs were growing in complexity to require numerous people to contribute to them. Second is that standards of measure were still expensive to establish and mintain. It was a marvel of manufacture that allowed Colt in the 1890s to produce a revolver with interchangeable parts - even today, things sold as compatible aren't always, particularly in the domain of tight tolerances. Third is the efficiency in time and often material. The factory I work at has five lines for car wheels and turns out one wheel on each line roughly every 6 seconds. The process has a designed scrap ratio of around 10% - meaning of all input material, we expect about 10% to be scrapped by way of cutting/trimming to final shape. That is extremely low, even among mass manufacturing standards. The question is, though, ... do people want to work at and buy from these places? Work in society has to get done - but working to stuff stores with trinkets and last year's items going on clearance undermines the initial efficiency gains. The internet has made it possible for people to coordinate across large distances and to search for information with unprecedented levels of access. Open source designs and ideas are becoming more and more common woth greater and greater effectiveness. This, in turn, empowers individuals with the ability to easily fabricate things, some of which are impossible to manufacture by "normal" means, that would have taken entire design teams and multiple machining stages. Thus, the question must be asked... will many objects end up being made by "neo-smiths" who run localized additive manufacture services? I could, in theory, make a living off of servicing the various power tools of local contractors and even printing up entirely new tool casings. Will, in the long term, the market begin to select for this type of arrangement - with large tool manufscturers getting sidelined by open source designs and the concept of a tool being more fluid as the "shell" of the tool can be made anew for merely a bit of material cost and time/energy. The functional inards might still be the domain of mass manufacture (gears and such made today are far more durable than what can be cut using a lathe or cnc mill) - but mass manufacture would shift onto component level manufacture that can drive volume/person and energy/material efficiency. As various things begin to strain the current system and its understanding, how will the end result end up resolving it? Imagine being some of the first people to be looking at steam powered mining carts and water pumps used to make England's mines take off amid the trend of selling deeds to lands so alchemists could play around with theories of how to rotate crops... would today, or even the world of 1800s U.S. ... be an expectation?

@Aim54Delta

Жыл бұрын

@Anand Ramaswamy I would argue that socialists think in magical terms and, therefore, any distinction has no difference. Socialism is, at its core, rooted in the complaint of the elimination of the commons. It is, as Nietzche would put it, the politics of complaint. Though he would likely point to it as the natural evolution of the morality of the west and christianity, which places the status of victimhood at the height of righteousness. The evolution of marxism into critical race and gender theories drives home this point - it is the corruption of the human being to laud himself for being weaker and more helpless than his peers and excusing every lack of success as beyond his or her control. The collective hell that would then serve as the catalyst for a new morality that rejects the premise and embraces the strong and independent person. We can see this, already, with the new wave of conservatives in America, who are embracing the notion of strong men and women, rather than apologetic or conformist. The support of Trump highlights this. As Trump has said, most people are afraid to think big because they are afraid of success. Make America Great Again is more than a nationalist call - it is the aspiration to individual and personal greatness. This ideology is, to socialists, literally satan.

@TheEternalClown

Жыл бұрын

@@Aim54Delta But is Trump and conservatism deviating from its western Christian roots? How are the men and women "strong" if they live in the light of their inherent sinfulness (apologetic), in doing so conform to and conserve an old idea of the ideal man, and attribute every success they have to God ('excusing every lack of success as beyond his or her control,' but the opposite). It is only incidentally related to Christianity, which is more of an aesthetic. The saints and church fathers that form the bedrock of the church (which these protestants seem to deviate from, despite this talk of "conservatism") are not about the "aspiration to individual and personal greatness" merely, but the "aspiration to individual and personal greatness for the glorification of God."

As the great Ronnie Coleman said "I didn't complain when I received 15th place, or 9th place, etc. I just worked harder and got better. Bottom line is - Why complain?"

I made terrible food once so I complained to myself. What a loser

If I complain I'm weak? Nah. If I complain I'm justified. Only I know what my circumstances are.

PS. I will concede to Nietzsche that a lot of people complain about stupid things, or minor ones, or things they have no control over, that happen to everybody, such as old age or death. But some people have reason to bewail their lot, for not all lots are the same. I still think the one philosopher to learn that from, is Epictetus, not Nietzsche. Check out the Discourses, either the Oxford Classics version or the Penguin version. Do not get the versions in the public domain to save a couple of bucks, it will be a worthless saving. When you buy a book, splash out on the best version you can buy. Be a cheap tightwad with everything else, except books.

Nietzsche 🌱Nietzsche That damn mustache ..😉

One exception to this idea must be when Freedom of Speech is not respected and speaking out IS the bravest thing to do. This is one exception that Neecher would allow, I'm sure.

great

Should we ignore our weaker side like that? What do we do, instead of complaining do we take arms and smash those who are not with us? Oh fate, preserve me for something greater! Just as going down is good, to go down you should go up as well.

the indo aryan spirit is high low vs center.. trad matriarchies could only maintain order through sacrifice and secrets.. much as the roman catholics accomplished with the death of christ who was the king of the germanic barbarians.. odin*

I'd go further than Nietzsche: complaining about one's lot CAN help relieve it, if it mobilizes others to help. A complaint, when you live in a culture that helps you deal with your complaints, is a form of power, controlling their behavior for your benefit. This was the case for the anarchist/socialist that may not have been the case for the Christian. You might as well have given a command. If that help is given with no expectations of thanks or exchange, it's basically servitude. None of this undermines Nietzsche's case that people experience a rush of relief or satisfaction - pleasure - when they complain, but this is an explanation as to why they feel it: "{pleasure} originates in the central sphere of the intellect; it's presupposition is an infinitely speeded-up perception, ordering, subsumption, calculating, inferring: pleasure and displeasure are always terminal phenomena... all feelings of pleasure and displeasure presuppose a calculation of utility and harmfulness to the whole; in other words, a sphere where an end (a state) is desired and means for it are selected." Will to Power, A. 669 It's worth asking if such a helping society is a Judeo-Christian culture. In some ways, it obviously is, as Judeo-Christian ethics encourage helping. After living in a society that encourages us to think this way, that gives us positive feedback for expressing our problems, we may have come to take pleasure in complaining, in anticipation of the complaint being addressed. However, the opposite of this experience of pleasure is pride, where we bear our pain and discomfort and don't want to complain. That's pre-Christian historically, stoic and aristocratic, but the origin of this hesitance to express the problem is likely in the vulnerability it creates in us, it shows a weakness, a need others can exploit, maybe by exchanging control over them for relief of the problem. Alternatively, a Christian society would say that one who bears pain without complaint is trying not to burden others with the expectation that they help. At times, Christian civilization encouraged people to voice their vulnerabilities, and at other times, it did not. It's complicated. Nietzsche's project was not the resurgence of master morality - he considered both master and slave morality to be outmoded - but the formulation of a new value system, the revaluation of all values. It's an undertaking so massive that most people will likely never understand its depth.

Weak people complain about those who have it better than themselves. Pathetic people complain about those who have it worse than themselves. And as you said yourself, Nietzsche spent more time writing about those he considered “weak” than about those he considered “strong”.

@andrewryan4016

11 ай бұрын

That was deep. Do you mean that pathetic people complain about those having it worse because they feel compassion?

@cosmicprison9819

11 ай бұрын

@@andrewryan4016 When I say “complain”, I don’t mean compassion - I mean punching down. I said nothing about complaining *on behalf* of others (those without a voice); I said pathetic people complain *about* those who have it worse than themselves.

@andrewryan4016

11 ай бұрын

@@cosmicprison9819 ah ok i understand also true

We cannot become ubermensch. But our children might

Schopenhauer was chea chillin 2022 up the Dionysian mosquitos 🦟

Was Nietzsche complaining about complaining?

Commenting for the algorithm

@WeltgeistYT

Жыл бұрын

Much appreciated

I feel like Nietzsche was always talking about himself

@WeltgeistYT

2 жыл бұрын

In many ways, yes

@chripianflopez

8 ай бұрын

Well we do mostly learn from our own experiences

I hate my lot but I never complain about it.

Maybe there was too little of an emphasis on those who hate themselves not as much society in this video. But this is a tricky kind of complaining because it seems like you’re taking responsibility.

@chripianflopez

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, I kinda noticed that, it seems like complaining about oneself is accepting defeat.

Why single out Christians anarchists? Is there anyone who has never complained?

I recently find myself complaining about the ad drops.

“Boy this incurable cancer I have sure does suck” “You’re complaining because you’re too weak to overcome this currently incurable cancer” “Umm… yea…and? How is that supposed to help me?”

@amanofnoreputation2164

2 жыл бұрын

"It will help you contemplate what you _can_ do in your final moments instead of covering your own face in phlegm by spitting at the sky."

@xenoblad

2 жыл бұрын

@@amanofnoreputation2164 why spit at the sky when you can spit at the public about how they should donate to research towards finding a cure?

@yzfool6639

2 жыл бұрын

@@xenoblad Because if you spit at them they will not donate to research towards finding a cure. Do you spit on people you seek help from? My understanding of this philosophy is that the World, among other things, is a place where you cannot dictate how resources will be distributed. Complaining about this or any condition amounts to stating truisms. If you want to do something about incurable cancers, become a cancer researcher or a public health administrator and change the facts of the condition or the social policy.

@xenoblad

2 жыл бұрын

@@yzfool6639 if your complaints manifests as just spit and no words fine, but if you actually use words, then people can and have donated all the fucking time. Shame is a perfectly viable marketing technique. Anti-war movements use it all the time. It’s insane to ask dying cancer patients to just cure the cancer themselves. It’s one thing to advocate for productive behavior, but it’s another to not communicate your problems to others via complaints.

@dionysian222

2 жыл бұрын

@@yzfool6639 The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

I'm hanging out with Satan to burn the weakness out of myself. Let the burn marks serve as formal warnings to those spirits who would seek to make less of my passion. Also... Notice how there are so few complaining comments?

sais nitzsche, who complains about absolutely everything and everyone... still nitzsche thinks he does so to shake them out of their "false Beliefs".. still agree with him doh.

Sheesh!

In the same way that water bores holes in stone, so the weak overcome the strong -Tao Te Ching. There is nothing in this world softer and weaker than water, yet there is nothing in this world strong enough to conquer and vanquish water. -Tao Te Ching

Syphlis is a powerful disease

Legit, i need to stop complaining... But its so easy lol

Is this why women complain

twilight of the karens

@WeltgeistYT

2 жыл бұрын

Lol

Only losers complain?? Yeah I very much doubt that.

Spazz

Neet did nothing but complain wtf was he going on about

My biggest issue with Nietzsche is that his philosophical position actually provides little room for growth and change for the so-called slaves. As a slave you’re simply to accept your lot or you’re the man of resentment. How does that thinking help anyone? How does it inspire others to work together and become masters over their lives?

@LeandroVelez7

4 ай бұрын

That may helpful in theory but Nietzsche gives us no actual direction on how to get there. It’s no wonder that people turn to spiritual gurus who, at least, have practices to help cope deal with extreme states of mind. Nietzsche was good at the prognosis but not very good at the cure imo.

@LeandroVelez7

4 ай бұрын

Indeed I agree he his a stepping stone, we should all be extremely honest about his faults if we wish to move beyond him.

suppose N would have known that in a few years he would go insane, which is what happened: would have he bewailed his lot? Or would he have been 'strong' and all that BS. And again, he should have defined 'lot'. Did he mean bewailing paying the bills or dying of cancer? I have read quite a few philosophers now, and N didn't impress me about anything. Maybe I am missing something...

@ThomasAndersonPhD

2 жыл бұрын

He already lived a life FULL of suffering. He was very ill quite frequently. He had many struggles and still managed to have a positive view of life because of his moments of health.

@yummy2318

2 жыл бұрын

your missing something

Now here we have Buddhism : everything is suffering. Lol, talk about metaphysical complaining.

Nietzsche was definitely a complainer. Kind of a hypocrite. Whatever. I think he confuses complaining with complacency. The self satisfaction you get from complaining about others to make yourself appear bigger and stronger than you actually are, that form of egotism gives you a false sense of strength, but gets you nowhere in the physical world because it is only built on insecurities. The difference being in the actual action of complaining itself. There is nothing wrong with complaining about something as long as you are doing something about it. I could complain about pushing a heavy boulder up a hill but I’m still gonna get that fucking boulder to the top of that fucking hill. The literal action of complaining has no effect on the will unless there is inaction.

"Ail" or "All" sufferers, dear English KZreadr?

The more I read/watch Nietzsche, the less impressed I am by him.

@jimmysmith736

2 жыл бұрын

Why?

@sensereference2227

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimmysmith736 He contradicts himself, too often lacks the kind of rigor, clarity, and seriousness of thought that other philosophers usually apply to these topics (which makes his work come off almost playful at times), leans on stylistic turns of phrases and aphorisms to make his case instead of laying a solid foundation for his position, often circles a line of thought over and over again like a poet instead of actually advancing it, sometimes does not engage with the actual historical development of a system of thought (e.g. Christianity) and instead engages only with his own imagined version of how it developed (i.e. he treats his speculative genealogy as a historical account). There is more, but the central problem, of which the problems I listed are symptoms, is that he privileges style over substance. Some people love this about his work and gush over the style of his writing, but I find it less and less impressive the more I encounter it.

@arthurschopenhauer3327

Жыл бұрын

Nietzsche was so bright that he realized that arguments never change people’s opinions, so he relies on style, aphorisms, and metaphors that are far more effective to move us emotionally. His genius made him able to break systems of thoughts and values deeply anchored in humanity.

@UserBGE1

4 ай бұрын

​@@sensereference2227He's “anti-philosopher”, against systematic thought (Twilight of the Idols). He's more of a mystic and a poet than a conventional philosopher.